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Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3890	Posted - 2014.08.19 19:59:00 - [61] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Man, I never understood how people could run super tanky scouts, you do so much better by just abusing e-war and picking your fights forcing the enemy to be on their back foot. My tankiest fit only has 487 hp and I call that one 'The Tryhardinator' in my fitting screen... I run 2 extenders 1 complex plate and a repper to go with 2 damps for PC, but in pubs you don't need damps. I just run 2 complex damage mods 3 plates and a repper and the passives inherent to the scout suit along with my cloak get me by just fine. gal scouts are so funsies! B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 803	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:18:00 - [62] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Daddrobit wrote: Man, I never understood how people could run super tanky scouts, you do so much better by just abusing e-war and picking your fights forcing the enemy to be on their back foot. My tankiest fit only has 487 hp and I call that one 'The Tryhardinator' in my fitting screen... I run 2 extenders 1 complex plate and a repper to go with 2 damps for PC, but in pubs you don't need damps. I just run 2 complex damage mods 3 plates and a repper and the passives inherent to the scout suit along with my cloak get me by just fine. gal scouts are so funsies! 2 complex ferros, 2 damps or one damp and one rep, one shield extender, one precision enhancer. Then whatever flavor weapon I feel like stomping with. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 848	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:25:00 - [63] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: The ScR is not a whole lot different than it was when first introduced in 1.0. Somehow it's been OP for well over a year but miraculously remains the least used rifle in the game, according to Rattati.... In a game famous for people flocking to the FOTM within hours of it being introduced. It's funny how this idea keeps cycling over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over (p.s. I don't really use the ScR, so save it). Lol this is what I think everytime is see these threads. Look at the kill feed.. RR RR HMG RE CR CR HMG SG SCR RR CR RE HMG Everyone and their mom uses CR and RR. Rarely do I see another ScR user and they are 9/10 running the viziam on an Ass AK0. Seriously have any of you guys throwing out these wild accusations even used a ScR? My RR melts suits twice as fast as my ScR unless they are caldari (prof 4 scr, while only op 3 on RR.) I lot of people seem to be running caldari more recently (scouts especially.) I have a pretty good feeling that these threads are due to caldari scouts being wrecked by their mortal enemy, the ScR, and then crying on the forums so they can once again be near unkillable with their cloaks and CRs... I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
Tectonic Fusion 2027	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:36:00 - [64] - Quote So much scrubbery going on here. Not gonna even bother...
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 473	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:02:00 - [65] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Every-other rifle can't pop round a corner and lay off a charged shot. It's not exactly pinpoint aiming with auto-aim. See point two. Thanks. The scr cant be held down for spam Has overheat No rifle in the game requires much aiming, aim assist doesn't apply to the scr alone At least my crap is objective, you are spouting rubbish sir. Turbo controllers exist and the people that use them do in fact hold it down. Since it has the same RPM as an assault scrambler, yes the RPM needs to get nerfed. Only way to stop the abuse. CCP did the same thing to the Tactical AR's RPM since it was being abused by Turbo controllers. When a weapon can be rapid fired that does 70+ damage a shot, that's a problem. The overheat mechanic is the trade off for the fact that you can charge it much like the ion pistol.
Newbs With Bewbs xx The Fairies xx 35	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:20:00 - [66] - Quote Alot of hate considering your "facts" are undeniable I'm suprised by how many people choose to engage in conversation with such utterly ignorant people.... Credit to you I just don't have the patients I am LHughes. Did you like your handjob?
Newbs With Bewbs xx The Fairies xx 35	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:22:00 - [67] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: The ScR is not a whole lot different than it was when first introduced in 1.0. Somehow it's been OP for well over a year but miraculously remains the least used rifle in the game, according to Rattati.... In a game famous for people flocking to the FOTM within hours of it being introduced. It's funny how this idea keeps cycling over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over (p.s. I don't really use the ScR, so save it). Lol this is what I think everytime is see these threads. Look at the kill feed.. RR RR HMG RE CR CR HMG SG SCR RR CR RE HMG Everyone and their mom uses CR and RR. Rarely do I see another ScR user and they are 9/10 running the viziam on an Ass AK0. Seriously have any of you guys throwing out these wild accusations even used a ScR? My RR melts suits twice as fast as my ScR unless they are caldari (prof 4 scr, while only op 3 on RR.) I lot of people seem to be running caldari more recently (scouts especially.) I have a pretty good feeling that these threads are due to caldari scouts being wrecked by their mortal enemy, the ScR, and then crying on the forums so they can once again be near unkillable with their cloaks and CRs... Just because its the Caldari's "mortal enemy" doesn't mean it should be an insta win button. It's the most OP weapon on the game, anyone who dies with it is a bad player. I am LHughes. Did you like your handjob?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12969	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:22:00 - [68] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: ScR is used as CQC shootgun. And it wont overheat even vs armor tanker. I CALL BULLSHIT! "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Tectonic Fusion 2027	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:23:00 - [69] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Every-other rifle can't pop round a corner and lay off a charged shot. It's not exactly pinpoint aiming with auto-aim. See point two. Thanks. The scr cant be held down for spam Has overheat No rifle in the game requires much aiming, aim assist doesn't apply to the scr alone At least my crap is objective, you are spouting rubbish sir. Turbo controllers exist and the people that use them do in fact hold it down. Since it has the same RPM as an assault scrambler, yes the RPM needs to get nerfed. Only way to stop the abuse. CCP did the same thing to the Tactical AR's RPM since it was being abused by Turbo controllers. When a weapon can be rapid fired that does 70+ damage a shot, that's a problem. The overheat mechanic is the trade off for the fact that you can charge it much like the ion pistol. CCP should just add a cap for whatever speed the turbo controller fires at. I can consistently fire at around 600 RPM, and you don't even need to be consistent with the scrambler since overheat. so you need to stop firing anyway...just cap it out at 666 and I'll be happy.
Kierkegaard Soren Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 490	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:29:00 - [70] - Quote It's a powerful weapon that took an indirect nerf in Charlie: assaults got an overall hp buff, which means that all weapons now require longer to down those suits. This hurts the scram the most because it puts you closer to overheating. It's peerless when it comes to singular 1v1 engagements, but it suffers when you actually need to engage multiple opponents in quick succession. It's also useless against all heavies save the Caldari, because you will burn before you punch through all that armour.it really does need Amarr assault to rank 3 at the very minimum to shine. Honestly, it's balanced. The people who use it just know how to use it properly. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.

Zindorak 1.U.P 636	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:31:00 - [71] - Quote ScR is OP!?! whoever said that is drunk or on something but the ScR is not OP Pokemon master
Newbs With Bewbs xx The Fairies xx 36	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:34:00 - [72] - Quote Im sorry but if a weapon makes you react like this when you hear it behind you regardless of the suit you're wearing then yes.... It's OP. I am LHughes. Did you like your handjob?
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 848	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:41:00 - [73] - Quote Newbs With Bewbs wrote: P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: The ScR is not a whole lot different than it was when first introduced in 1.0. Somehow it's been OP for well over a year but miraculously remains the least used rifle in the game, according to Rattati.... In a game famous for people flocking to the FOTM within hours of it being introduced. It's funny how this idea keeps cycling over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over (p.s. I don't really use the ScR, so save it). Lol this is what I think everytime is see these threads. Look at the kill feed.. RR RR HMG RE CR CR HMG SG SCR RR CR RE HMG Everyone and their mom uses CR and RR. Rarely do I see another ScR user and they are 9/10 running the viziam on an Ass AK0. Seriously have any of you guys throwing out these wild accusations even used a ScR? My RR melts suits twice as fast as my ScR unless they are caldari (prof 4 scr, while only op 3 on RR.) I lot of people seem to be running caldari more recently (scouts especially.) I have a pretty good feeling that these threads are due to caldari scouts being wrecked by their mortal enemy, the ScR, and then crying on the forums so they can once again be near unkillable with their cloaks and CRs... Just because its the Caldari's "mortal enemy" doesn't mean it should be an insta win button. It's the most OP weapon on the game, anyone who dies with it is a bad player. I must be a horrible player Seriously, I had a corp mate who runs caldari scout claim up and down for weeks that the ScR was OP. I finallu talked him into grabbing the mlt variant. He played with it a few games and said it was awesome and that he was going to put some points into it. The next day he retracted everything he had said, except that the fire rate should be nerfed to some humanly possible, to which I agreed. Turbo modded controllers are OP, nerf them, not the gun... I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 473	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:49:00 - [74] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Every-other rifle can't pop round a corner and lay off a charged shot. It's not exactly pinpoint aiming with auto-aim. See point two. Thanks. The scr cant be held down for spam Has overheat No rifle in the game requires much aiming, aim assist doesn't apply to the scr alone At least my crap is objective, you are spouting rubbish sir. Turbo controllers exist and the people that use them do in fact hold it down. Since it has the same RPM as an assault scrambler, yes the RPM needs to get nerfed. Only way to stop the abuse. CCP did the same thing to the Tactical AR's RPM since it was being abused by Turbo controllers. When a weapon can be rapid fired that does 70+ damage a shot, that's a problem. The overheat mechanic is the trade off for the fact that you can charge it much like the ion pistol. CCP should just add a cap for whatever speed the turbo controller fires at. I can consistently fire at around 600 RPM, and you don't even need to be consistent with the scrambler since overheat. so you need to stop firing anyway...just cap it out at 666 and I'll be happy. You press the trigger at 10 shots a second?
Michael Arck 5255	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:51:00 - [75] - Quote Nerf the damn thing already. Or better yet, I should skill up amarr assault, get a squad of 6 scramblers and just play. I bet they will nerf it then. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Zindorak 1.U.P 637	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:54:00 - [76] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Nerf the damn thing already. Or better yet, I should skill up amarr assault, get a squad of 6 scramblers and just play. I bet they will nerf it then. How about nerf RR to the ground then we have a deal Pokemon master
Michael Arck 5255	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:58:00 - [77] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Nerf the damn thing already. Or better yet, I should skill up amarr assault, get a squad of 6 scramblers and just play. I bet they will nerf it then. How about nerf RR to the ground then we have a deal Dont be stupid. How long you've been here? RR has been significantly nerfed while the SCR goes unscathed for what...two years now? Im determined to get your scr nerfed. And getting nerfed, I will. You're going have to deal with it like every Caldari player had to deal with little whiny players like you who got yout wish twice over concerning the RR. You still dying to it, sounds like a player problem. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Zindorak 1.U.P 639	Posted - 2014.08.19 22:03:00 - [78] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Nerf the damn thing already. Or better yet, I should skill up amarr assault, get a squad of 6 scramblers and just play. I bet they will nerf it then. How about nerf RR to the ground then we have a deal Dont be stupid. How long you've been here? RR has been significantly nerfed while the SCR goes unscathed for what...two years now? Im determined to get your scr nerfed. And getting nerfed, I will. You're going have to deal with it like every Caldari player had to deal with little whiny players like you who got yout wish twice over concerning the RR. You still dying to it, sounds like a player problem. I know that RR has been nerfed. m just asking for a liitle range nerf dont need to get all pumped. The dang ting just om nom nom nom dead om nom nom nom dead. And no im not bad its just that rail rifleis so easy to use and stomp with it. Every mtch i go in is infested with scruby rail riflers. ScR is good i will admi but RR is just better Pokemon master
Michael Arck 5255	Posted - 2014.08.19 22:07:00 - [79] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Nerf the damn thing already. Or better yet, I should skill up amarr assault, get a squad of 6 scramblers and just play. I bet they will nerf it then. How about nerf RR to the ground then we have a deal Dont be stupid. How long you've been here? RR has been significantly nerfed while the SCR goes unscathed for what...two years now? Im determined to get your scr nerfed. And getting nerfed, I will. You're going have to deal with it like every Caldari player had to deal with little whiny players like you who got yout wish twice over concerning the RR. You still dying to it, sounds like a player problem. I know that RR has been nerfed. m just asking for a liitle range nerf dont need to get all pumped. The dang ting just om nom nom nom dead om nom nom nom dead. And no im not bad its just that rail rifleis so easy to use and stomp with it. Every mtch i go in is infested with scruby rail riflers. ScR is good i will admi but RR is just better Your post would do better being TP for a danky bathroom. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 4067	Posted - 2014.08.19 22:13:00 - [80] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Nerf the damn thing already. Or better yet, I should skill up amarr assault, get a squad of 6 scramblers and just play. I bet they will nerf it then. How about nerf RR to the ground then we have a deal Dont be stupid. How long you've been here? RR has been significantly nerfed while the SCR goes unscathed for what...two years now? Im determined to get your scr nerfed. And getting nerfed, I will. You're going have to deal with it like every Caldari player had to deal with little whiny players like you who got yout wish twice over concerning the RR. You still dying to it, sounds like a player problem. Hasn't been touch? So the proficiency change didn't f over any weapon that did more dmg to shields? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3327	Posted - 2014.08.19 22:30:00 - [81] - Quote The thing is, i don't see why people are so against a ROF nerf to the ScR, unless your abusing the weapon it shouldn't really be making a difference. An AR at 35m range has 450 DPS A RR at 85m range has 391 DPS (this incidently is why the RR is so over powered) Now to make it fair, the ScR should really be achieving about 420 DPS (I gave a little extra in retrospect of the damage profile), bearing in mind I haven't dropped it for the charge shot or anything. With this DPS the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 849	Posted - 2014.08.19 22:46:00 - [82] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: The thing is, i don't see why people are so against a ROF nerf to the ScR, unless your abusing the weapon it shouldn't really be making a difference. An AR at 35m range has 450 DPS A RR at 85m range has 391 DPS (this incidently is why the RR is so over powered) Now to make it fair, the ScR should really be achieving about 420 DPS (I gave a little extra in retrospect of the damage profile), bearing in mind I haven't dropped it for the charge shot or anything. With this DPS the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? Pro gamers shoot an average of 6-7 shots per second. I dont see why any weapon should be able to fire faster.. I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 286	Posted - 2014.08.19 22:59:00 - [83] - Quote I really can't get it. modded pads cannot charge shot, which is actually why the Scrambler looks so OP to you guys. Charge shot + rapid burst of 2-4 shots. But it need skills. It does, seriously. Try one, compare it to a Rail Rifle or a Tactical AR (on a Gallente) then come back here. On the Turbo controllers topic: it will always be a plague, but nerfing the Scr won't solve anything: the ACR has no recoil with turbo controllers/mouses just like the AR. HMGs are way more precise with a turbo controller, and well, Burst HMG doesn't even require you to tap after every burst: just hold R1 and kill. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Guiltless D667 83	Posted - 2014.08.19 23:21:00 - [84] - Quote I was expecting some mathematical explanation,your thread sucks A Strange Game. Crysis 514
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3327	Posted - 2014.08.19 23:24:00 - [85] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: The thing is, i don't see why people are so against a ROF nerf to the ScR, unless your abusing the weapon it shouldn't really be making a difference. An AR at 35m range has 450 DPS A RR at 85m range has 391 DPS (this incidently is why the RR is so over powered) Now to make it fair, the ScR should really be achieving about 420 DPS (I gave a little extra in retrospect of the damage profile), bearing in mind I haven't dropped it for the charge shot or anything. With this DPS the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? Pro gamers shoot an average of 6-7 shots per second. I dont see why any weapon should be able to fire faster.. Presicely, if ScR really is OP then this won't change it, if it's simply being abused it'll be cured overnight! They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 1227	Posted - 2014.08.19 23:48:00 - [86] - Quote I've been putting the ScR through its paces on an alt and that thing is kinda nice. That Overheat mechanic is the only thing stopping me from going 100/3 in a 80 Clone Ambush. As a HMG user, that range is just sick. I have Proficiency in ARs and CRs, but that ScR is so much better than what I remembered when I went Level 1 and abandoned them. Don't be surprised to see me using them on my main, SoonGäó. I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 179	Posted - 2014.08.20 00:10:00 - [87] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? i see no reason why it should be lower than the glu-5 or duvolle tac which both have 500rpm deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3081	Posted - 2014.08.20 00:16:00 - [88] - Quote Newbs With Bewbs wrote: Im sorry but if a weapon makes you react like this when you hear it behind you regardless of the suit you're wearing then yes.... It's OP. @your sig Yes.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 00:25:00 - [89] - Quote Bump. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 169	Posted - 2014.08.20 00:50:00 - [90] - Quote Atiim wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Every other rifle: hold R1,no overheat, no pinpoint aiming Scr: overheats,pinpoint aiming,have to at least tap R1 Every gun in cqc is easily spammable and requires barely any aiming at all. Your welcome. SCRs have Aim Assist; null HMGs, 20/80GJ Railguns, and -technically- ARs have overheat mechanics as well. While overheat mechanics are indeed a balancing feature, it's mere presence does not determine whether or not it's balanced. The Combat Rifle, Tactical ARs, and Burst ARs, are also Semi-Automatic. Simply being semi-automatic does not mean that it's balanced. (Source: Uprising 1.0, Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle ) The only weapons which are easily spammable in CQC are the ones which are supposed to be used in CQC. The Scrambler Rifle is not one of those weapons, so it should not have that ability. Why am I thanking you again? Then why is the rail rifle easy to use and is extremely powerful in CQC? It's a long range weapon, yet... My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.



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