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RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 00:51:00 - [91] - Quote Things lol. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11529	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:12:00 - [92] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Then why is the rail rifle easy to use and is extremely powerful in CQC? It's a long range weapon, yet... One weapon being imbalanced does not justify nor constitute an imbalance with another. Though with the RR's recoil, I'd prefer a SCR over a RR in CQC. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:15:00 - [93] - Quote Atiim wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Then why is the rail rifle easy to use and is extremely powerful in CQC? It's a long range weapon, yet... One weapon being imbalanced does not justify nor constitute an imbalance with another. Though with the RR's recoil, I'd prefer a SCR over a RR in CQC. Dat assault rr seizure though, dat seizure is op lol. Sorry after 40 notifications i just had to come back. Its getting a bit deeper now, shocking. Scr is fine. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:17:00 - [94] - Quote Plasma ar is op!. remove so i can run and gun in my generic caldari rr fit! So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:18:00 - [95] - Quote Guiltless D667 wrote: I was expecting some mathematical explanation I am insulted that you think that any kind of effort wouldn't be wasted on this community regardless of how well typed and thought out it is. you must be new. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:21:00 - [96] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: The thing is, i don't see why people are so against a ROF nerf to the ScR, unless your abusing the weapon it shouldn't really be making a difference. An AR at 35m range has 450 DPS A RR at 85m range has 391 DPS (this incidently is why the RR is so over powered) Now to make it fair, the ScR should really be achieving about 420 DPS (I gave a little extra in retrospect of the damage profile), bearing in mind I haven't dropped it for the charge shot or anything. With this DPS the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? Pro gamers shoot an average of 6-7 shots per second. I dont see why any weapon should be able to fire faster.. I could get behind this if it will shut you newbs up lol. If it would shut you up and make you feel better when i annihilate you with the scr then im all for it. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
Patrlck 56 444	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:46:00 - [97] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6556	Posted - 2014.08.20 02:51:00 - [98] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Every other rifle: doesn't kill as quick as this game's average ping. I don't think it's OP, but your argument is poor. Why are we all: Talking in sentence fragments That make it sound, like we're talking in haikus? (We aren't by the way, it just sounds like it) FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6556	Posted - 2014.08.20 02:52:00 - [99] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. But I now know who this is. Bronies? It's Jeremy. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2111	Posted - 2014.08.20 03:01:00 - [100] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. But I now know who this is. Bronies? It's Jeremy. No its the alt of someone named J8SON...idk if you know him "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor

Zindorak 1.U.P 642	Posted - 2014.08.20 03:01:00 - [101] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Atiim wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Then why is the rail rifle easy to use and is extremely powerful in CQC? It's a long range weapon, yet... One weapon being imbalanced does not justify nor constitute an imbalance with another. Though with the RR's recoil, I'd prefer a SCR over a RR in CQC. Dat assault rr seizure though, dat seizure is op lol. Sorry after 40 notifications i just had to come back. Its getting a bit deeper now, shocking. Scr is fine. If people could use the a thing called a brain to understand that we wouldn't need to argue with the people who are clearly wrong Pokemon master
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 171	Posted - 2014.08.20 03:19:00 - [102] - Quote Atiim wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Then why is the rail rifle easy to use and is extremely powerful in CQC? It's a long range weapon, yet... One weapon being imbalanced does not justify nor constitute an imbalance with another. Though with the RR's recoil, I'd prefer a SCR over a RR in CQC. Except to me the rail rifle hasn't any real recoil, it's just appears to be bouncy and the reticule hardly ever moves, and I never have to use the sight for CQC with it's immensely small dispersion that is comparable to most weapons. Also, with the bonus to armour, the rail rifle makes it's easier to dispose of heavies, and at times it works so well that it's just pathetic to think the devs believe it's balanced... I don't complain about the scrambler rifle being used in CQC, as it has overheat, and few people even use it anyway as it's semi-auto and the obvious preference for most people is automatic, followed by burst. I wouldn't use the sight for the scrambler rifle either with it's similar dispersion in CQC. What do you define as CQC? For me, that is nearly anything about 30 meters or less and does not require the use of a sight. I do agree that the imbalance of one thing should not justify another, but the question is when the devs will realize how imbalanced it is when they are designed for long range combat, yet excel marvelously at... any range. My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 171	Posted - 2014.08.20 03:23:00 - [103] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: The thing is, i don't see why people are so against a ROF nerf to the ScR, unless your abusing the weapon it shouldn't really be making a difference. An AR at 35m range has 450 DPS A RR at 85m range has 391 DPS (this incidently is why the RR is so over powered) Now to make it fair, the ScR should really be achieving about 420 DPS (I gave a little extra in retrospect of the damage profile), bearing in mind I haven't dropped it for the charge shot or anything. With this DPS the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? Pro gamers shoot an average of 6-7 shots per second. I dont see why any weapon should be able to fire faster.. With lv5 skill in amarr assault and scrambler rifles I can fire about 20-25 shots under 2-3 seconds without overheating (but nearly so)... what does that make me? My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
Zindorak 1.U.P 642	Posted - 2014.08.20 03:25:00 - [104] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: The thing is, i don't see why people are so against a ROF nerf to the ScR, unless your abusing the weapon it shouldn't really be making a difference. An AR at 35m range has 450 DPS A RR at 85m range has 391 DPS (this incidently is why the RR is so over powered) Now to make it fair, the ScR should really be achieving about 420 DPS (I gave a little extra in retrospect of the damage profile), bearing in mind I haven't dropped it for the charge shot or anything. With this DPS the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? Pro gamers shoot an average of 6-7 shots per second. I dont see why any weapon should be able to fire faster.. With lv5 skill in amarr assault and scrambler rifles I can fire about 20-25 shots under 2-3 seconds without overheating (but nearly so)... what does that make me? a badass Pokemon master
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 171	Posted - 2014.08.20 03:29:00 - [105] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Nerf the damn thing already. Or better yet, I should skill up amarr assault, get a squad of 6 scramblers and just play. I bet they will nerf it then. How about nerf RR to the ground then we have a deal Dont be stupid. How long you've been here? RR has been significantly nerfed while the SCR goes unscathed for what...two years now? Im determined to get your scr nerfed. And getting nerfed, I will. You're going have to deal with it like every Caldari player had to deal with little whiny players like you who got yout wish twice over concerning the RR. You still dying to it, sounds like a player problem. 1. Scrambler Rifle has been around for significantly longer 2. Rail is still overpowered in CQC (give that thing dispersion already!) 3. Scrambler Rifles are not used nearly as much as people want to make them out to be (seriously... I may see one user every millennia) 4. With how powerful they're suppose to be, how come few people use them... My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
Zindorak 1.U.P 642	Posted - 2014.08.20 03:31:00 - [106] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Nerf the damn thing already. Or better yet, I should skill up amarr assault, get a squad of 6 scramblers and just play. I bet they will nerf it then. How about nerf RR to the ground then we have a deal Dont be stupid. How long you've been here? RR has been significantly nerfed while the SCR goes unscathed for what...two years now? Im determined to get your scr nerfed. And getting nerfed, I will. You're going have to deal with it like every Caldari player had to deal with little whiny players like you who got yout wish twice over concerning the RR. You still dying to it, sounds like a player problem. 1. Scrambler Rifle has been around for significantly longer 2. Rail is still overpowered in CQC (give that thing dispersion already!) 3. Scrambler Rifles are not used nearly as much as people want to make them out to be (seriously... I may see one user every millennia) 4. With how powerful they're suppose to be, how come few people use them... Thanks for the assistance Pokemon master
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 854	Posted - 2014.08.20 03:57:00 - [107] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Zindorak wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: The thing is, i don't see why people are so against a ROF nerf to the ScR, unless your abusing the weapon it shouldn't really be making a difference. An AR at 35m range has 450 DPS A RR at 85m range has 391 DPS (this incidently is why the RR is so over powered) Now to make it fair, the ScR should really be achieving about 420 DPS (I gave a little extra in retrospect of the damage profile), bearing in mind I haven't dropped it for the charge shot or anything. With this DPS the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? Pro gamers shoot an average of 6-7 shots per second. I dont see why any weapon should be able to fire faster.. With lv5 skill in amarr assault and scrambler rifles I can fire about 20-25 shots under 2-3 seconds without overheating (but nearly so)... what does that make me? a badass \o/ Video or it didnt happen. I have seen a video of a ScR on an amarr assault with a modded pad that only makes it 19 shots before it overheats. He also does 13 before overheat manually. If you can do 20-25 you are mashing the **** out of it without holding the controller in its normal position, which is hardly accurate. I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 572	Posted - 2014.08.20 03:58:00 - [108] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Every other rifle: hold R1,no overheat, no pinpoint aiming Scr: overheats,pinpoint aiming,have to at least tap R1 Every gun in cqc is easily spammable and requires barely any aiming at all. Your welcome. ScR semi auto 808 dps.. add in a turbo fire controller.. there you go.. full auto Scrambler rifle with the semi auto damage [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 77	Posted - 2014.08.20 04:03:00 - [109] - Quote Holds R1 long enough for one pew Oh wait, nobody cares about Bolt Pistol "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 4073	Posted - 2014.08.20 05:37:00 - [110] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Video or it didnt happen. I have seen a video of a ScR on an amarr assault with a modded pad that only makes it 19 shots before it overheats. He also does 13 before overheat manually. If you can do 20-25 you are mashing the **** out of it without holding the controller in its normal position, which is hardly accurate. It's honestly not that hard... for me, even on the militia fitted front line fit I can get 18 shots off no bonus just skill and experience. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!

P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 854	Posted - 2014.08.20 08:44:00 - [111] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Video or it didnt happen. I have seen a video of a ScR on an amarr assault with a modded pad that only makes it 19 shots before it overheats. He also does 13 before overheat manually. If you can do 20-25 you are mashing the **** out of it without holding the controller in its normal position, which is hardly accurate. It's honestly not that hard... for me, even on the militia front line fit I can get 18 shots off no bonus just skill and experience. Im not saying its hard, im sayin he will overheat before he gets 20 shots... I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3329	Posted - 2014.08.20 10:02:00 - [112] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Video or it didnt happen. I have seen a video of a ScR on an amarr assault with a modded pad that only makes it 19 shots before it overheats. He also does 13 before overheat manually. If you can do 20-25 you are mashing the ** out of it without holding the controller in its normal position, which is hardly accurate. It's honestly not that hard... for me, even on the militia front line fit I can get 18 shots off no bonus just skill and experience. Im not saying its hard, im sayin he will overheat before he gets 20 shots... One of the guys posted video one with a modded controller ome without. The ROF was almost the same, under the turbo he got 24 shots under his max fire he got 20. It's possible because of the ScR's ddogy heat mechanics. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3329	Posted - 2014.08.20 10:14:00 - [113] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? i see no reason why it should be lower than the glu-5 or duvolle tac which both have 500rpm So it can't achieve more than 420 DPS, EVER (with the exception to the charge shot) Though the GLU and Duvolle would be given the same treatment and be capped at 415 DPS which is achieved with 340 RPM (about 6 shots per second still), giving these weapons a fire rate faster than is required results in them being overpowered. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 179	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:03:00 - [114] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? i see no reason why it should be lower than the glu-5 or duvolle tac which both have 500rpm So it can't achieve more than 420 DPS, EVER (with the exception to the charge shot) Though the GLU and Duvolle would be given the same treatment and be capped at 415 DPS which is achieved with 340 RPM (about 6 shots per second still), giving these weapons a fire rate faster than is required results in them being overpowered. the glu, duvolle or scrambler aint ever getting capped at 340rpm, 6 shots a second is doable in my sleep deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3329	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:09:00 - [115] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? i see no reason why it should be lower than the glu-5 or duvolle tac which both have 500rpm So it can't achieve more than 420 DPS, EVER (with the exception to the charge shot) Though the GLU and Duvolle would be given the same treatment and be capped at 415 DPS which is achieved with 340 RPM (about 6 shots per second still), giving these weapons a fire rate faster than is required results in them being overpowered. the glu, duvolle or scrambler aint ever getting capped at 340rpm, 6 shots a second is doable in my sleep Which is exactly why it should be capped their, if you wish to propose a higher ROF, then it shouldmhave lower damage. If you do not cap the weapons at the rate of fire I have suggested their DPS outclasses that of the Assault AR, which simply shouldn't happen. And that is EXACTLY why the ScR is OP. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 179	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:19:00 - [116] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? i see no reason why it should be lower than the glu-5 or duvolle tac which both have 500rpm So it can't achieve more than 420 DPS, EVER (with the exception to the charge shot) Though the GLU and Duvolle would be given the same treatment and be capped at 415 DPS which is achieved with 340 RPM (about 6 shots per second still), giving these weapons a fire rate faster than is required results in them being overpowered. the glu, duvolle or scrambler aint ever getting capped at 340rpm, 6 shots a second is doable in my sleep Which is exactly why it should be capped their, if you wish to propose a higher ROF, then it shouldmhave lower damage. If you do not cap the weapons at the rate of fire I have suggested their DPS outclasses that of the Assault AR, which simply shouldn't happen. And that is EXACTLY why the ScR is OP. unless ccp completely redo every other light assault type weapon what your proposing aint gonna happen, give it up. peace deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 228	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:22:00 - [117] - Quote Zindorak wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Atiim wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Then why is the rail rifle easy to use and is extremely powerful in CQC? It's a long range weapon, yet... One weapon being imbalanced does not justify nor constitute an imbalance with another. Though with the RR's recoil, I'd prefer a SCR over a RR in CQC. Dat assault rr seizure though, dat seizure is op lol. Sorry after 40 notifications i just had to come back. Its getting a bit deeper now, shocking. Scr is fine. If people could use the a thing called a brain to understand that we wouldn't need to argue with the people who are clearly wrong I know right. Then the people who can't see that they only think its op because they are sht would just shut up. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 228	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:24:00 - [118] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Its my thread. You are also a confirmed neckbeard. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 228	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:25:00 - [119] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. But I now know who this is. Bronies? It's Jeremy. No its the alt of someone named J8SON...idk if you know him You are actually a fking idiot aren't you. For the 7th time now dumb arse, that is another alt. Do you understand that?. Is English your first language?. Pmsl. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 228	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:27:00 - [120] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. But I now know who this is. Bronies? It's Jeremy. No. Honestly its not. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.



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