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RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 219	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:00:00 - [1] - Quote Every other rifle: hold R1,no overheat, no pinpoint aiming Scr: overheats,pinpoint aiming,have to at least tap R1 Every gun in cqc is easily spammable and requires barely any aiming at all. Your welcome. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:12:00 - [2] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Every-other rifle can't pop round a corner and lay off a charged shot. It's not exactly pinpoint aiming with auto-aim. See point two. Thanks. The scr cant be held down for spam Has overheat No rifle in the game requires much aiming, aim assist doesn't apply to the scr alone At least my crap is objective, you are spouting rubbish sir. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:13:00 - [3] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: ScR is used as CQC shootgun. And it wont overheat even vs armor tanker. Complete lies. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:14:00 - [4] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Every other rifle: doesn't kill as quick as this game's average ping. I don't think it's OP, but your argument is poor. What argument?. I stated facts, nothing I stated is an opinion So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:16:00 - [5] - Quote The scrubs always come out of the cracks when I post,I love it. CCP, watch my posts and learn who not to pay attention to. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:21:00 - [6] - Quote Every weapon in the game is easily 'spammable' in cqc At least you have to tap R1 to shoot the scr. The scr has overheat Of course its very good on the Amarr assault. Shall I start biaching about the min assaults ammo bonus?, certainly not. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:22:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Every other rifle: doesn't kill as quick as this game's average ping. I don't think it's OP, but your argument is poor. What argument?. I stated facts, nothing I stated is an opinion Your argument that your opinions are facts. You stated a handful of facts with opinions mixed in and then claimed your opinion that it's not OP is a 'fact'. It's not. No matter how many times I see an idiot like you declare your opinion is 'fact', it never seems to get old. My subjective crap is better than most lol. You haven't even stated anything, I can taste you tears. Oh yeah, smiley face, never mind. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:27:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Every other rifle: doesn't kill as quick as this game's average ping. I don't think it's OP, but your argument is poor. What argument?. I stated facts, nothing I stated is an opinion Your argument that your opinions are facts. You stated a handful of facts with opinions mixed in and then claimed your opinion that it's not OP is a 'fact'. It's not. No matter how many times I see an idiot like you declare your opinion is 'fact', it never seems to get old. Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:35:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Every other rifle: hold R1,no overheat, no pinpoint aiming Scr: overheats,pinpoint aiming,have to at least tap R1 Every gun in cqc is easily spammable and requires barely any aiming at all. Your welcome. SCRs have Aim Assist; null HMGs, 20/80GJ Railguns, and -technically- ARs have overheat mechanics as well. While overheat mechanics are indeed a balancing feature, it's mere presence does not determine whether or not it's balanced. The Combat Rifle, Tactical ARs, and Burst ARs, are also Semi-Automatic. Simply being semi-automatic does not mean that it's balanced. (Source: Uprising 1.0, Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle ) The only weapons which are easily spammable in CQC are the ones which are supposed to be used in CQC. The Scrambler Rifle is not one of those weapons, so it should not have that ability. Why am I thanking you again? You did that really well. Iv never had an ar overheat myself, never been able to equip a small rail turret either on a suit. Pretty much every rifle and gun has aim assist- null on that null. Maybe a dispersion increase in hip fire might be nice. Did you enjoy the show in fw yesterday?, it was most enjoyable. Thank you lol. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:36:00 - [10] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: But when I hold down R1 my combat rifle it only shoots 3 shots :( guys I think mine is broken Spam r1 then, 1200 rpm. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.

RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:37:00 - [11] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Assault variant? Its not cool enough to be a factor. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:45:00 - [12] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Every weapon in the game is easily 'spammable' in cqc At least you have to tap R1 to shoot the scr. The scr has overheat Of course its very good on the Amarr assault. Shall I start biaching about the min assaults ammo bonus?, certainly not. 1. ScR isnt supposed to be good at CQC. Yet its CQC shootgun. 2. Not only ScR has overheat. Rail blaster turrets, hmg,laz0r. pistol (what was it? Bolt?) 3. ScR works eqiualy good on every suit. It few shoots every scout, little more for mediums. 1. It fires single shot, learn to dance 2. Show me where I can fit a small or large rail turret on a suit, thanks 3.Yeah so does my toxin ar, must be op So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:46:00 - [13] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: But when I hold down R1 my combat rifle it only shoots 3 shots :( guys I think mine is broken Spam r1 then, 1200 rpm. But the OP says to hold R1 and it does not work T^T Your game is corrupted bro,re install it. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 16:01:00 - [14] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: But when I hold down R1 my combat rifle it only shoots 3 shots :( guys I think mine is broken Spam r1 then, 1200 rpm. But the OP says to hold R1 and it does not work T^T Your game is corrupted bro,re install it. I KNEW THE WORDS "Burst" WERE BUGGED AS YOU ARE TELLING ME THE COMBAT RIFLE WAS FULL AUTO. THANKS!! Seriosly the combat rifle is burst not full auto. Really?. I'd have never guessed lol. Thanks for your opinion and feedback on the matter, is the most valued feedback in the thread. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 16:17:00 - [15] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Every other rifle: doesn't kill as quick as this game's average ping. I don't think it's OP, but your argument is poor. What argument?. I stated facts, nothing I stated is an opinion Opinion is not the same as argument. You presented premises, and the title of the thread is your conclusion. That's an argument. I am saying that your conclusion is not valid. Haha, your whole point is invalid, you don't even have a point lol. You have nothing worth while to say on the matter except to be a pedantic biach. Do you even context bro?. You are clearly mad,bro. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 16:21:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: You did that really well. Iv never had an ar overheat myself, never been able to equip a small rail turret either on a suit. Pretty much every rifle and gun has aim assist- null on that null. Maybe a dispersion increase in hip fire might be nice. CCP Logibro confirmed that the red glow on the AR is due to an overheat mechanic, but the heat cost is so low that it'll never overheat even if you fired it for 1hr straight. I'm aware of most weapons having Aim Assist, so no argument there. I agree that a dispersion increase while hip-fired is needed, but I'd also like increased zoom fidelity while in ADS to encourage use at Mid-Long ranges. RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Did you enjoy the show in fw yesterday?, it was most enjoyable. Thank you lol. Seeing you rush me by that Supply Depot was scary. It's a good thing they haven't nerfed the backpedal speed yet. Its a lot of fun having 32 enemies on the field, sabotage is definitely an art. I wasn't going for you either, oops. I was legitimately truing to sabotage, its a shame you couldn't see everything I did as it was really good, sabotage, not trolling. Ok actually I did steal a guys lav as he was going to get into it and I proceeded to drive it into the redline and blew up lol. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 16:23:00 - [17] - Quote Destroying uplinks Stealing lavs as the driver is about to get in and then driving it off the map and blowing up with it (ok that ones trolling lol) knifing/reviving high value targets, they tend to care about k/d so you can make them quit the match killing any blues who try to hack/counter hack points Leaving things unhacked to draw in blues and then knifing them removing blue equipment, knifing logis when the heavy thinks he is being healed, snowball Getting people to kill then revive me because they are annoyed, press punish, get them kicked This is an actual art and it is more of a challenge than any battle because you end up with 32 enemies on the field rather than 16 Lol, this alt is becoming very unpopular , its very funny. That's a quote from another page, that's what I get up to on this char in fw lol. Tell Demon Buddha I said hi Hahaha. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 16:28:00 - [18] - Quote Right I'm bored of this thread. It was supposed to be a quick response to the undeniable proof that the scr is op thread, I'm sorry I didn't care enough to put effort into it. Until the next thread folks lol. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 220	Posted - 2014.08.19 16:29:00 - [19] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: The damage profile makes them super OP versus shields... Guess that's partly why a lot of shield suits dual tank. Ah its just super duper opwtfhacks. Remove it from the game!. Next up, the plasma ar.............. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 00:25:00 - [20] - Quote Bump. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.

RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 00:51:00 - [21] - Quote Things lol. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:15:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Then why is the rail rifle easy to use and is extremely powerful in CQC? It's a long range weapon, yet... One weapon being imbalanced does not justify nor constitute an imbalance with another. Though with the RR's recoil, I'd prefer a SCR over a RR in CQC. Dat assault rr seizure though, dat seizure is op lol. Sorry after 40 notifications i just had to come back. Its getting a bit deeper now, shocking. Scr is fine. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:17:00 - [23] - Quote Plasma ar is op!. remove so i can run and gun in my generic caldari rr fit! So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:18:00 - [24] - Quote Guiltless D667 wrote: I was expecting some mathematical explanation I am insulted that you think that any kind of effort wouldn't be wasted on this community regardless of how well typed and thought out it is. you must be new. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 226	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:21:00 - [25] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: The thing is, i don't see why people are so against a ROF nerf to the ScR, unless your abusing the weapon it shouldn't really be making a difference. An AR at 35m range has 450 DPS A RR at 85m range has 391 DPS (this incidently is why the RR is so over powered) Now to make it fair, the ScR should really be achieving about 420 DPS (I gave a little extra in retrospect of the damage profile), bearing in mind I haven't dropped it for the charge shot or anything. With this DPS the ROF would have to be dropped from the current 705 RPM (11 Shots per Second), to 305 RPM (6 Shots per Second) or does this not sound reasonable? Pro gamers shoot an average of 6-7 shots per second. I dont see why any weapon should be able to fire faster.. I could get behind this if it will shut you newbs up lol. If it would shut you up and make you feel better when i annihilate you with the scr then im all for it. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 228	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:22:00 - [26] - Quote Zindorak wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Atiim wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Then why is the rail rifle easy to use and is extremely powerful in CQC? It's a long range weapon, yet... One weapon being imbalanced does not justify nor constitute an imbalance with another. Though with the RR's recoil, I'd prefer a SCR over a RR in CQC. Dat assault rr seizure though, dat seizure is op lol. Sorry after 40 notifications i just had to come back. Its getting a bit deeper now, shocking. Scr is fine. If people could use the a thing called a brain to understand that we wouldn't need to argue with the people who are clearly wrong I know right. Then the people who can't see that they only think its op because they are sht would just shut up. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 228	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:24:00 - [27] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Its my thread. You are also a confirmed neckbeard. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 228	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:25:00 - [28] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. But I now know who this is. Bronies? It's Jeremy. No its the alt of someone named J8SON...idk if you know him You are actually a fking idiot aren't you. For the 7th time now dumb arse, that is another alt. Do you understand that?. Is English your first language?. Pmsl. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 228	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:27:00 - [29] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. But I now know who this is. Bronies? It's Jeremy. No. Honestly its not. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 228	Posted - 2014.08.20 12:58:00 - [30] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Scrambler rifle = forge gun with aim assist, scope and zoom. Yeah it's a very potent av weapon. Blew up 6 gunnlogis yesterday. Try story. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.

RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 229	Posted - 2014.08.20 15:35:00 - [31] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So your admitting the ScR is OP then. ur and everybody else insistence that the scram is op is tiresome, this my last response to you. good day sir So yes then it is, otherwise you would have denied it, would you not? Either which way I decided to do some maths, because maths tells the true story. As we have said early 7 shots a second is a reasonable ROF for the scrambler excluding turbos and FOTM followers, even as you said 6 shots a second can be done in your sleep. Let's Start by looking at the stats on a scrabler rifle (The moderate range, moderate DPS weapon) Now at 7 shots a second the DPS (excluding charge) is 539 According to most people the ScR overheats with 14 shots at profciency 0, this also included my own personal experience. This gives 2 seconds BEFORE overheat and 5 second seize duration. (However firing 13 shots means you cooldown within 2 seconds) Now let's look at the Assault Rifle (The short range high DPS weapon) At the fully automatic ROF of 800 RPM (13 shots a second) the DPS equates to 453 With this ROF you get a 6 second magazine before reload is required. So now let's stack the 2 together I will put the Assault on the left and the scrambler on the right. DPS vs Shields: 498 vs 646 DPS vs Armour: 407 vs 431 DPS over 2 seconds 906 vs 1,078 DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,078 DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,617 DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Seizure) 3,171 vs 2,176 DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Seizure) 3,171 vs 3,234 As you can see the user of the scrambler rifle can choose to either Alpha damage them to death in less than 2 seconds, or they can outlast them in a marathon of combat that only the scrambler rifle can maintain. Futhermore this is beforemthe charge shot or ramges has been considered, the Scrambler Rifle will continue to uphold this DPS level well past 50m. Wether you like it or not the scrambler rifle needs tweaking and conaidering it's possible to achieve an extra 4 shots a secomd at the moment it most DEFINITELY needs a more reasonable ROF cap. Now add in strafing, cover, grenades, teamwork,passive bonuses etc, etc. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 229	Posted - 2014.08.20 16:32:00 - [32] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So your admitting the ScR is OP then. ur and everybody else insistence that the scram is op is tiresome, this my last response to you. good day sir So yes then it is, otherwise you would have denied it, would you not? Either which way I decided to do some maths, because maths tells the true story. As we have said early 7 shots a second is a reasonable ROF for the scrambler excluding turbos and FOTM followers, even as you said 6 shots a second can be done in your sleep. Let's Start by looking at the stats on a scrabler rifle (The moderate range, moderate DPS weapon) Now at 7 shots a second the DPS (excluding charge) is 539 According to most people the ScR overheats with 14 shots at profciency 0, this also included my own personal experience. This gives 2 seconds BEFORE overheat and 5 second seize duration. (However firing 13 shots means you cooldown within 2 seconds) Now let's look at the Assault Rifle (The short range high DPS weapon) At the fully automatic ROF of 800 RPM (13 shots a second) the DPS equates to 453 With this ROF you get a 6 second magazine before reload is required. So now let's stack the 2 together I will put the Assault on the left and the scrambler on the right. DPS vs Shields: 498 vs 646 DPS vs Armour: 407 vs 431 DPS over 2 seconds 906 vs 1,078 DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,078 DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,617 DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Seizure) 3,171 vs 2,176 DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Seizure) 3,171 vs 3,234 As you can see the user of the scrambler rifle can choose to either Alpha damage them to death in less than 2 seconds, or they can outlast them in a marathon of combat that only the scrambler rifle can maintain. Futhermore this is beforemthe charge shot or ramges has been considered, the Scrambler Rifle will continue to uphold this DPS level well past 50m. Wether you like it or not the scrambler rifle needs tweaking and conaidering it's possible to achieve an extra 4 shots a secomd at the moment it most DEFINITELY needs a more reasonable ROF cap. Now add in strafing, cover, grenades, teamwork,passive bonuses etc, etc. If you wish to add in strafing apply an average 60% accuracy to both weapons (Since you assume both weapons are being weilded by the same person) Cover will not affect the RAW DPS (but it will the sustained DPS), since if you are in cover you can not engage the enemy either. (If anything this is another boon to the Scrambler since you can cool down while not in cover) Grenades will not effect the mathematics, since if your pair one weapon with a grenade you must pair the other also (This means you can remove common factors from an equation - basic algebra) Teamwork will not effect the mathematics, since if you pair one with tea woem you musr pair the other also (As above, in order to this objectively, you cannot say "well what if he's being repped", since must then assums the other can also receive the same treatment) Once again the only passive bonuses that would actually come into effect are the bonuses from the weapons operation skill, a d from the suit command skill since all other skills are equally available to each clone. (In this case this the only ones that then don't effect the weapons equally is the Assault skills, this would give the following bonuses to the AR, -25% Dispersion -50% Kick and the following to the ScR, -25% Heatbuild up, +25% faster cooldown. I can provide the maths for this as well as you wish but I don't think it will help your point) If you have a problem with any of my reasoning please feel free to message me, or send a voice chat invite where I can discuss it with you in detail. Im not saying you are wrong per se, but this paper math goes out the window in game where the numbers become a reality (lol reality) and you get people using mlt gear and they pwn full proto etc because of in game variables and skill. Your math dictates that its op and wins every time basically but how many scr users have you killed when the math dictates you should have lost?. You cant calculate player skill. Im not saying you are wrong in the math but in game, things go differently. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 229	Posted - 2014.08.20 16:33:00 - [33] - Quote I can even point you to a very good real life example, sales projections. On paper its ace but real life skews the projections and quite often smashes them completely. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 229	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:08:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: You cant calculate player skill.. You can calculate a player's: Accuracy Situational Awareness Strafing Abilities Performance with Weapons Performance with Weapon Types Performance with Equipment Critical Decision Making Skills etc, etc, etc. Literally every game with Matchmaking calculates player skill. Well then, i guess we need to get observing every player in dust and then we can officially determine if the scr is op. Im sorry but most who say that its op are not exactly the best players are they?. In fact quite a few are straight up fresh newbs in comparison. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 229	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:09:00 - [35] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Do you enjoy the brony implications in my corp logo? On a scale of 1-10, how effective is my corp name and tag?. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Its my thread. You are also a confirmed neckbeard. You are a confirmed butthurt Yes indeed lol. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 229	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:11:00 - [36] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Daddrobit wrote: NAV HIV wrote: You mentioned Headshot... Any suit in the game will get Insta ganked with a Headshot... No other light weapon even comes close to the headshot potential of the ScR, bar a Charged SR headshot. Charge the ScR for 4x damage, then get a headshot and get an additional 2x for the charged shot. That's 572 damage. Any militia suit, scout suit, or only mildly tanked logi or assaults are one shotted, no exceptions. Then you can easily instantly follow that up with an additional 5 shots before you overheat, and that's easy without the Amarr bonus. Even with the -20% to armor, each shot will land for 57 damage, which by the way is the same as the Kaalikiota RR with its +10% to armor, so don't say it can't cut through armor, because it does just as much damage as the RRs and it does it with a 75% markup to ROF. Pop on another 285 damage, it'll only take a second, and that's not even counting for if they were headshots. So that's put you around 867 damage in around one second, maybe one and a half, that will kill even well tanked assaults, put a few levels into Amarr assaults and there is literally nothing that can stand in your way. Oh, and you can apply that damage in full up to 76 meters. The ScR is the absolute definition of insta-gank. All the maths aside... Have you never had any Headshots with any other weapon ?! I get more Headshots with my CR and RR than i get with my ScR.... Oh and my HMG... Agreed. It will be the plasma ar next, it smashes shields and armour very nicelly. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 230	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:33:00 - [37] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Look at them scurrying to protect their crutch. I wonder how you dudes will rage when we get it nerfed. It really needs to be looked at. Lol, look at the scrubs who cant see past their own inadequacy. I wonder how they'll feel when every weapon takes 5 mins to kill someone. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 230	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:36:00 - [38] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So yes then it is, otherwise you would have denied it, would you not? Either which way I decided to do some maths, because maths tells the true story. As we have said early 7 shots a second is a reasonable ROF for the scrambler excluding turbos and FOTM followers, even as you said 6 shots a second can be done in your sleep. Let's Start by looking at the stats on a scrabler rifle (The moderate range, moderate DPS weapon) Now at 7 shots a second the DPS (excluding charge) is 539 According to most people the ScR overheats with 14 shots at profciency 0, this also included my own personal experience. This gives 2 seconds BEFORE overheat and 5 second seize duration. (However firing 13 shots means you cooldown within 2 seconds) Now let's look at the Assault Rifle (The short range high DPS weapon) At the fully automatic ROF of 800 RPM (13 shots a second) the DPS equates to 453 With this ROF you get a 6 second magazine before reload is required. So now let's stack the 2 together I will put the Assault on the left and the scrambler on the right. DPS vs Shields: 498 vs 646 DPS vs Armour: 407 vs 431 DPS over 2 seconds 906 vs 1,078 DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,078 DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,617 DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Seizure) 3,171 vs 2,176 DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Seizure) 3,171 vs 3,234 As you can see the user of the scrambler rifle can choose to either Alpha damage them to death in less than 2 seconds, or they can outlast them in a marathon of combat that only the scrambler rifle can maintain. Futhermore this is beforemthe charge shot or ramges has been considered, the Scrambler Rifle will continue to uphold this DPS level well past 50m. Wether you like it or not the scrambler rifle needs tweaking and conaidering it's possible to achieve an extra 4 shots a secomd at the moment it most DEFINITELY needs a more reasonable ROF cap. Now add in strafing, cover, grenades, teamwork,passive bonuses etc, etc. If you wish to add in strafing apply an average 60% accuracy to both weapons (Since you assume both weapons are being weilded by the same person) Cover will not affect the RAW DPS (but it will the sustained DPS), since if you are in cover you can not engage the enemy either. (If anything this is another boon to the Scrambler since you can cool down while not in cover) Grenades will not effect the mathematics, since if your pair one weapon with a grenade you must pair the other also (This means you can remove common factors from an equation - basic algebra) Teamwork will not effect the mathematics, since if you pair one with tea woem you musr pair the other also (As above, in order to this objectively, you cannot say "well what if he's being repped", since must then assums the other can also receive the same treatment) Once again the only passive bonuses that would actually come into effect are the bonuses from the weapons operation skill, a d from the suit command skill since all other skills are equally available to each clone. (In this case this the only ones that then don't effect the weapons equally is the Assault skills, this would give the following bonuses to the AR, -25% Dispersion -50% Kick and the following to the ScR, -25% Heatbuild up, +25% faster cooldown. I can provide the maths for this as well as you wish but I don't think it will help your point) If you have a problem with any of my reasoning please feel free to message me, or send a voice chat invite where I can discuss it with you in detail. Im not saying you are wrong per se, but this paper math goes out the window in game where the numbers become a reality (lol reality) and you get people using mlt gear and they pwn full proto etc because of in game variables and skill. Your math dictates that its op and wins every time basically but how many scr users have you killed when the math dictates you should have lost?. You cant calculate player skill. Im not saying you are wrong in the math but in game, things go differently. Quite true such is the nature of entropy (chaos), my maths doesn't say that you absolutely should win out against an AR everytime, it simply shows the ScR to be very powerful. If as you say we can't calculate skill, at most we could draw an average, we simplfy the model. Player skill should not be a balancing factor for a weapon, otherwise you get people who just can't use certain weapons, or other people who will make an easy to use weapon OP. While I probably COULD factor in every little difference, pitting a mlt vs pro isn't a fair assessment, you have to make assumptions, the first of which is that both players have the 250 million SP required to max out the games skill tree. You can't calculate what will happen in real life, because real life is biased, and as such the maths would show a biased opinion, you simplfy, equalise and remove anything that is not an inherent part of what ever the maths is about. First number cruncher response in my time in dust that i respect lol. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 230	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:37:00 - [39] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: NAV HIV wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Atiim wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: You cant calculate player skill.. You can calculate a player's: Accuracy Situational Awareness Strafing Abilities Performance with Weapons Performance with Weapon Types Performance with Equipment Critical Decision Making Skills etc, etc, etc. Literally every game with Matchmaking calculates player skill. Well then, i guess we need to get observing every player in dust and then we can officially determine if the scr is op. Im sorry but most who say that its op are not exactly the best players are they?. In fact quite a few are straight up fresh newbs in comparison. Well said... Out of all the Rifles, ScR is the most difficult to use... RR second, AR 3rd and Assault CR is well its a the CR Actually none of them are particularly more difficult to use than any other. They are hitscan They are all AA enabled They are HROF weapons (by comparison to other weapon types) They all have 'comparable' accuracy Skill varies too much between individuals to be a factor. For example you say the Burst Combat Rifleis the easiest to use, so why can't I use them? Why am I terrible with them? Yet in the same stretch I can take the RR and I end up haemorrhageing WP. Is it my lack of skill? How can it be? I am using a more skillful weapon and doing better? I cant use the forge gun to save my life. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 231	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:42:00 - [40] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Look at them scurrying to protect their crutch. I wonder how you dudes will rage when we get it nerfed. It really needs to be looked at. Lol, look at the scrubs who cant see past their own inadequacy. I wonder how they'll feel when every weapon takes 5 mins to kill someone. You see this is the problem with arguememts, people's opinions cloud their judgement. Do you assume that just because I think the ScR is OP that am I scrub? I think a lot of weapons are OP (BCR, RR, ScR, Projectile Damage profiles) does that somehow make me a superscrub? No. I just answer in a manner relative to what i believe a posts content is worth. This thread was just supposed to be a counter post to the bias crap in another thread that wanted the scr nerfed wwith no reasonable excuse. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.

RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 231	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:45:00 - [41] - Quote you know monkey mac, i am starting to think that because i have been gaming so long that my opinion is skewed completely. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 231	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:46:00 - [42] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Atiim wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: You cant calculate player skill.. You can calculate a player's: Accuracy Situational Awareness Strafing Abilities Performance with Weapons Performance with Weapon Types Performance with Equipment Critical Decision Making Skills etc, etc, etc. Literally every game with Matchmaking calculates player skill. Well then, i guess we need to get observing every player in dust and then we can officially determine if the scr is op. Im sorry but most who say that its op are not exactly the best players are they?. In fact quite a few are straight up fresh newbs in comparison. But you're a scrub and you are arguing that its balanced nothing you say holds any weight at all. you are very cute in that way. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 232	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:54:00 - [43] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Look at them scurrying to protect their crutch. I wonder how you dudes will rage when we get it nerfed. It really needs to be looked at. Lol, look at the scrubs who cant see past their own inadequacy. I wonder how they'll feel when every weapon takes 5 mins to kill someone. You see this is the problem with arguememts, people's opinions cloud their judgement. Do you assume that just because I think the ScR is OP that am I scrub? I think a lot of weapons are OP (BCR, RR, ScR, Projectile Damage profiles) does that somehow make me a superscrub? No. I just answer in a manner relative to what i believe a posts content is worth. This thread was just supposed to be a counter post to the bias crap in another thread that wanted the scr nerfed wwith no reasonable excuse. Well now I have provided you with a reasonable excuse. Your time would probably be better served by suggesting 'reasonable nerfs' that will stop being made into a flay lock Jr. Such as my proposed ROF nerf to 305, which under the maths I have shown you little make little difference in its feel and operation, but it will no longer out DPS the assault rifle. I was thinking that a hip fire dispersion increase would be good also. Id not like it but i wouldnt mind it. I would not like the rof being at 305 (naturally lol) but i would be up for seeing how that pans out. Damn that was painful lol. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 232	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:56:00 - [44] - Quote Gavor. you are not worth the time or effort even if it is just a quick 10 second brain fart. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 233	Posted - 2014.08.20 18:03:00 - [45] - Quote I dont need a comeback for you gavor 14,084 kills. 1.39 k/d wp total 1,270,899 Are you a logi?. Even if you are, thats weak, you die too much........hence the scr is op?. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 233	Posted - 2014.08.20 18:08:00 - [46] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: [quote=Monkey MAC] No. I just answer in a manner relative to what i believe a posts content is worth. This thread was just supposed to be a counter post to the bias crap in another thread that wanted the scr nerfed wwith no reasonable excuse. Well now I have provided you with a reasonable excuse. Your time would probably be better served by suggesting 'reasonable nerfs' that will stop being made into a flay lock Jr. Such as my proposed ROF nerf to 305, which under the maths I have shown you little make little difference in its feel and operation, but it will no longer out DPS the assault rifle. I was thinking that a hip fire dispersion increase would be good also. Id not like it but i wouldnt mind it. I would not like the rof being at 305 (naturally lol) but i would be up for seeing how that pans out. Damn that was painful lol. I would prefer that comes later, if necessary, moving too much at a time is unpredictable and potentially weapon breaking. In my personal opinion the ScR only needs a few minor tweaks, so that it behaves in a more uniform manner, is less prone to abuse and so forth. We don't need to go overboard, personally I think their are some weapons which need a lot more attention that the ScR. But as a wise man once said, All rivers lead to ocean, do not fight upstream just for shorter river! Nice. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 233	Posted - 2014.08.20 18:11:00 - [47] - Quote You should definitely make a decent thread Monkey Mac. your reasonable number crunching is definitely needed. you have reasoned with me on a matter that i strongly opposed. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 233	Posted - 2014.08.20 18:14:00 - [48] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: I dont need a comeback for you gavor 14,084 kills. 1.39 k/d wp total 1,270,899 Are you a logi?. Even if you are, thats weak, you die too much........hence the scr is op?. It was 1.2 two weeks ago I see its on the rise No, I used to run solo NK only basic minmitar scouts with basic shields pretty much up until 1.6. Thats why Im so good at SGing now bro But its also why my KDR is so low. That and PC's But you go ahead and run that fit- Basic min scout, one basic shield, 2 MLT kin cats and Zn-28 NK's no cloak Incorrect. This pos alt was used to farm 21 million isk in pubs within a 4 hour time frame. It is now just a fw sabotage alt along with my j8son alt. the plot thickens. Seriously though, my behavious is completely out of character but theres no way im making thatt 10mil isk prize easy to obtain. I am borderline posting like a serial killer who just wants it over and done with lol. In fact, most people im trolling i actually like and usually agree with lol. I have nothing against you at all lol. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 234	Posted - 2014.08.20 18:24:00 - [49] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: You should definitely make a decent thread Monkey Mac. your reasonable number crunching is definitely needed. you have reasoned with me on a matter that i strongly opposed. I will try later, but I'm playing right now! But thanks, it's nice to see being objective and unbiased while using evidence and numbers actually works, it usally has jixed results! Yes definitely, this thread turned fairly reasonable which was not its intention nor did i expect it to last this long. Ill support your thread on my main as much as my inner crutch wielder says no to the rof tweak, may as well see how it pans out in game. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 234	Posted - 2014.08.20 18:25:00 - [50] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: I'm not shure about other races but too caldari that **** is op my sheilds disappear in moments my armor is almost non-excistant compared to it. my races riffle rr doesn't kill (amarr) nearly as fast as they can kill us with there weapon. That would be efficacy, or you are trolling in a semi troll thread lol. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.