Step 1 Find a good hill
Step 2 Park a Triple Damage Railgun Tank on the said hill
Step 3 Fire.

Do you think we should buff Swarms more in terms of damage? or would changes to missile speed and turn radius make more sense to you? Do you think they are close to right or still in need of a balance pass?

have you tried the old reverse trick? make the ads follow you in a straght line for a few seconds then his your nitro and damage mod and slam into reverse and the dropship more than likly keep going forward where you get a split secod chance to alpha him into the dirt. it works often try it

Speed and radius and possibly bonus please damage is fine its just that they fly up and out of av's range its unfair for them to put on afterburners and go god mode at the top of the map.

Are you speced into the ADS at all? Do you fly?

Its demonstrated every battle when an ADS turns up.

10 ADS flies in.
20 ADS hovers and pelts stuff with its XT-1.
30 ADS takes fire.
40 ADS flies away.
50 ADS recharges at range, completely invulnerable to all ground forces.
60 GOTO 10

Infantry side;

Infantry is fighting infantry
Infantry gets one-shotted by an ADS while fighting enemy infantry.
Infantry spawns with AV.
Infantry tries to shoot ADS while also avoiding enemy infantry.
Infantry observes ADS behaviour described above.

I am going have to step in and dash some hopes away but what Judge describes may likely not be feasible via hotfix. Swarms originally took forever to fix. While its worth an exploration none the less we cannot be certain to how possible the reality may be.

Multiple tank crew should not be required to counter one ADS pilot.

Multiple tank crew SHOULD be required. One person in a tank should not be able to take out it's counter by itself, otherwise it's not a counter. In fact, even WITH small turrets, a tank should not be able to take out a dropship that's above it. It needs to have other players supporting it to do so. This is not a game to be solo'd.

Multiple tank crew should not be required to counter one ADS pilot.

afraid not. that would be two ADS. His claim is that :

Forge Guns are only slightly effective

NOTHING except an ADS is a counter

An ADS is not a sitting duck for anything

ADS can hover without risk


Bold claims. If true he wont lose a single dropship. and go at least 20-0. So I want him to put up, and prove these bold claims. But if they are true, then we need to act. So OP, Prove your claims.

How many times do i have to tell you, i have never flown a dropship. The fact that you persist with this bizarre line of argument instead of answering simple questions, like 'what genuine counter is there to an ADS?' suggests that you KNOW full well that ADSes are grossly OP but want to distract from that with irrelevancies.

I think a better idea would be to nerf installations back some. People dont even bother to kill them anymore, because theyre a waste of ammo.

Schwarms superior to Forge against ADS?
Pilots crack me up.

ADS are not grossly OP.

Most people refuse to spec into their counters. It's like tanks in Chromosome.

You had like five people in closed beta who dedicated themselves wholly to the cause of HAV extermination.

We were the ones who hunted marauders solo and won a lot of the time.

ADS are not grossly OP.

Most people refuse to spec into their counters. It's like tanks in Chromosome.

You had like five people in closed beta who dedicated themselves wholly to the cause of HAV extermination.

We were the ones who hunted marauders solo and won a lot of the time.

While it is not a guaranteed kill, a forge ninja can "juggle" up to 3 ADS.

By juggling I mean hit one twice to make him flee, reload, then use a full mag to hammer the other two into running away. Inevitably one of the three WILL screw the pooch and stick around for a second too long, or foul up by activating a shield hardener after you've breached the shields/knocked them to 5%.

When dealing with more risk averse ADS pilots one lovetap is enough to make them bug out.

If you keep this up continuously (keep that LAV handy to run to a depot to rearm) one of two things WILL happen.

1: The ADS pilot will decide the risk is not worth it and recall the dropship. Mission accomplished.

2: The ADS pilot will get madder and madder until he flips out and tries to fight the forge to the death. This means he has to hover to maintain stable fire on a missile-resistant sentinel who can move while charging or hits for close to 3000 damage per hit. This is not a winning strategy. I have had ADS pilots try to land on me before.

TL;DR: best advice is to make friends with a explosion-obsessed forge gunner who has taken the time to max or close to max his gun. They, and the burning need swarm troops have to kill those damn ADS is THE best cover to keep friendly tanks alive.

lol this thread

Put small rails on, yea gimp your tank fit

Jump into the small turret seat, yea so some bluedot can nick it aswell as gimping your tank

Jump out with a FG, yea so some bluedot can nick it

Basically all answers are use a FG so the tank isnt needed at all

afraid not. that would be two ADS. His claim is that :

Forge Guns are only slightly effective

NOTHING except an ADS is a counter

An ADS is not a sitting duck for anything

ADS can hover without risk


Bold claims. If true he wont lose a single dropship. and go at least 20-0. So I want him to put up, and prove these bold claims. But if they are true, then we need to act. So OP, Prove your claims.

No, not that it is relevant to the issue at hand.