Ran a sniper squad last night, cheap suits and ADV rifle outfield, the average HP of a player in the squad was 300-400ehp. It was good fun, we had good KD/R and caused a lot of problems for the enemy. Mobile area of denial squad. In one match one of our guys had the longest kill of 58m.

I don't think the claims that the new reticle "sucks" are warranted, try adapt to the change, use the sniper as you never did and you will have some fun. I think its great that CCP made the change.

Ran a sniper squad last night, cheap suits and ADV rifle outfield, the average HP of a player in the squad was 300-400ehp. It was good fun, we had good KD/R and caused a lot of problems for the enemy. Mobile area of denial squad. In one match one of our guys had the longest kill of 58m.

I don't think the claims that the new reticle "sucks" are warranted, try adapt to the change, use the sniper as you never did and you will have some fun. I think its great that CCP made the change.

In unconventional sniping only is this new reticle useful. Got it.

Quickscoping in the current meta is ineffective and costly. If there's anyway to use the sniper rifle, trust me when I say.. I've been there and done that. If I wanted to be rewarded for this type of game play I would go "snipe" in Call of Duty. Reflex shooters are boring to me.

Ran a sniper squad last night, cheap suits and ADV rifle outfield, the average HP of a player in the squad was 300-400ehp. It was good fun, we had good KD/R and caused a lot of problems for the enemy. Mobile area of denial squad. In one match one of our guys had the longest kill of 58m.

I don't think the claims that the new reticle "sucks" are warranted, try adapt to the change, use the sniper as you never did and you will have some fun. I think its great that CCP made the change.

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You sir , as well as Sym ... have been spot on in your remarks .

What you said in your comments that started with the above , was totally true and shows the passion that snipers have and their attention to detail that goes unmentioned most of the time from lack of appreciation from most in the community .

You Merc's as well as others who have spoken in this topic , show the real value and worth of the role and the skill and passion that goes with it .

Many might not understand and try to cheapen the role with their attitude , but snipers are of true importance in any campaign and of great value to any squad .

Players such as yourselves , prove that and I appreciate that .

Agreed it is hilariously bad, CCP please change it back.

I think that the only ones that want to keep it is looking for any chance at making the sniper rifle unusable.

Thor Odinson / Saxonmish (non snipers especially)

When someone makes a thread calling for the removal of snipers from the game entirely.

Upon this cog my ire will fall.

When someone makes a thread calling for the removal of snipers from the game entirely.

Upon this cog my ire will fall.

If the damage on the sniper rifle was through the roof, and head shots didn't matter.

I wouldn't care nearly as much. (but it's nothing like that)

Headshots are the only equalizer making the gun viable against the 1000+ hp suits.

Get rid of the circle, buff damage enough to make the gun viable in PC, bump up headshot multiplier, end of story.

(nobody was asking for a new scope, variable zoom was main thing, and personally I think zoom is fine as is)

This is treading in dangerous water, I like using the sniper rifle, and the damage of anything short of a Thales only tickles amar assault's with 1100 armor or whatever they have. But the problem again is the redline.

You can buff damage and headshots but this will lead to an Iincrease in scrubby redline sniping. I know you are thinking 'That's perfect! I will fly to my perch and smash all of them with my sniper rifle from 300m! " But let's be realistic, out of all the scrub lord snipers, the number of symbiotic forks, liquid foxes, Diamond Cutters or whoever is very very small.

Think of how the redline railtank problem was discussed and 'solved' as a damage and headshots multiplyer buff will put redline snipers in the same QQ category. There are now on average 8 dropships called in per match where an ads has zero fear of any tank short of.... can you guess?? ... yes the now 'fixed' but STILL in the redline rail. All the horrible discussions graphs and yYouTube videos did was to cut the range in half, increase heat build up, and cut dps in half.

Now this is where some scrubby player will pipe up with ' I run a fully leveled incubus with skill stacked gunners and two Missle tanks on comms and we decimate every solo red tanker and welcome the rail nerf'. Well good for you, eliminating anything that can stand a chance against you by QQING on the forums with graphs is a great way make your play style the next FOTM.

Now think long and hard about the repercussions of all the forum QQING from everyone that will occur when there are 8 snipers head glitch in in the redline one shotting every suit that doesn't stack 1200 ehp. AGAIN THE PROBLEM IS THE REDLINE.

While I would llove to to see rail tank range increased, I would like to propose redline changes that would fix everyrhing.

1 - If you spawn in the redline, you now have three minutes to take a step out of the redline or you die. Your have 2 whole minutes to decide what you want to do and another minute to do it outside the redline. Want to snipe from the redline? Go ahead, you have 3 minutes. Want to rail tank from the redline? Go ahead the clock is ticking. Make it 5 minutes for all I care so long as you can't sit 200 m in the red the entire match with no consequences. Want to use a Thales? Well now there is a chance you will lose it.

2- Increase the timer you can be in the enemies redline for one minute. Want to go invisible and sprint into the redline to stab that thales sniper? Now you have 60 seconds before you die. Want to float your scrubby incubus over a pesky underpowered railtank in the redline? Now you can take care of business and feel like a man (or woman).

tl, dr ....

Try looking at the bigger picture rather than just buffing your play style.

Adjustments to timers on both teams in the redline will keep sniper rifles from being QQ nerfed in Echo if they are buffed in Delta.

1 - If you spawn in the redline, you now have three minutes to take a step out of the redline or you die. Your have 2 whole minutes to decide what you want to do and another minute to do it outside the redline. Want to snipe from the redline? Go ahead, you have 3 minutes. Want to rail tank from the redline? Go ahead the clock is ticking. Make it 5 minutes for all I care so long as you can't sit 200 m in the red the entire match with no consequences. Want to use a Thales? Well now there is a chance you will lose it. This would fix nothing. Team been redlined? In 3 minutes your entire team will be repetitively spawn killed by the game itself. A much worse solution for a very tiny problem!

2- Increase the timer you can be in the enemies redline for one minute. Want to go invisible and sprint into the redline to stab that thales sniper? Now you have 60 seconds before you die. Want to float your scrubby incubus over a pesky underpowered railtank in the redline? Now you can take care of business and feel like a man (or woman).

tl, dr ....

Try looking at the bigger picture rather than just buffing your play style.

Adjustments to timers on both teams in the redline will keep sniper rifles from being QQ nerfed in Echo if they are buffed in Delta.

Or... one could simply retune the Redline instead of removing it in entirety...
First by extending the area of all prior Redline areas back a ways, and then designating it with an orange border to differentiate the regions.

However, if you travel into the enemy orange line the further you go the LESS your maximum armor and shield become, and if you exit the orange, they restore to normal.

If you've ever played Runescape and tried the "Wilderness" before you'd know how these advancing regions work, but instead of going up a wilderness level, the affected party looses max HP relative to the tier they enter... so..
Outside of orange 100% all stats,
Area 1 --90% shield and armor (largest region mainly for deployment)
Area 2 (within handheld range of spawn) -50% shield and armor and -10% weapon damage
Area 3 (inside spawn proximity regions) -80% shield and armor and - 30% weapon damage

Defenses would be indestructible very-short-range manual turret systems that can target things within the orange region only, but loose power if the target is in a lower ranked region.

This way the complainers could run into the orange line to deal with troops/tanks they feel to be problematic. Would probably promote heavily dampened scouts.

Example,
If I had 100 shield and 100 armor, and ran into area 3, I would be left with 20 shield and 20 armor, and would not be able to heal over that until I left into area 2, then I would be able to heal back up to 50/50... and upon leaving all zones would be back to 100/100 maximum possible healing.
Zone auras are unable to kill players.

I'm a lone player and a red liner and all the bad things I guess... Anyway, I was just having fun sniping once in a while. Although it's still possible to snipe it's no fun any longer. So, guess what... the fact that sniping now sucks doesn't push me into the center of the battle. I'll just be out of the game till it's fixed. Adios amigos!

I'm surprised my name came up in this thread because I haven't sniped seriously for awhile. Well, I decided to try out the new sights for a couple of matches and even though I wrecked face from cqc, just outside rail rifle range, and farther, I must say Symbiotic is correct.

While the new sights seemed to be a good idea it is severely hampered by the lack of zoom fidelity. From about 200 meters out and further it is increasingly difficult to line up that head shot due to the size of the target at that range and the fact that half their body is encompassed by the sights. It's guess work really... The only way I've found to counter having to guess for the most part is taking the shot when the shot efficiency reads 175%, but this way is grossly inefficient against moving targets.

If ccp isn't going to do anything about the redline, the damage output of the SR, or undoing the sight change, then at least increase the zoom fidelity of all sniper rifles to that of the tactical sniper rifle. How does one take precise shots with a "precision" weapon that lacks the precision needed to take precise shots?

Here's an idea, make one of the scouts have a race bonus for zoom fidelity and lower the zoom fidelity for non-scouts, kinda like what you did with decreasing the damage mods which in turn nerfed the sniper efficiency and then gave the damage buff to the cal commando. This then would make the sniper on a scout suit more precise than any other suit and keep them easily counterable, instead of having a scrub with a thales sitting in the redline with almost 1000ehp and some ammo and triage hives, with the only counter being an ADS, wasting an orbital, or another thales. What happened to the idea of snipers being glass cannons and not simply an additional turret in the redline?

Which scout race do you think would or should get the bonus? If it's the obvious cal scout i'm not against it but if you had to choose another which would it be?