It's only a red herring on some maps. Maps like Bridge for example, a red line thales can pick off many reinforcements to the bridge or any players that get flushed out. Literally yesterday we had an enemy team where the thales sniper was head glitching from their red line with a clear LOS to the bridge. Having to constantly hide DOES impact how well you can defend an objective. It was a calmmando Ck.0 with a Thales. I know because I was trying to snipe them and could see the chevron + would line up head shots with the 170% and couldn't hit them ever, (IE. I could see his stats.) On my screen it looked like the head was under the crest of the hill. The only way I could of possibly hit them from there is if I stood on top of a drop ship that elevated itself into the stratosphere so that I could get an angle on him as the only building nearby was that slopped one that you slide off of.

Fixing the red line is the only way that I could see CCP solving the head glitching issue because head glitching isn't a big deal when you can actually ambush the target. Although next time I see a player doing this with a thales I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and call in a throw-away dropship in a heavy burst hmg fit. It will take me out of the action for a while but it's worth it I guess since we probably will never have another alternative. I've seen head glitching red line thales go 30/0 in some matches, 150 clones versus 120 clones is a pretty big deal in pubs.

I think as we discerned in a past conversation we probably aren't in the same region. I can testify though to the fact that pubs in US East are pretty scummy tactics wise. From what I have always seen though, US East is the FPS equivalent of RTS Korea. Cheese through exploitation abounds.

I actually prefer the new cross-hair make head-shots easier (especially while moving)

I like the concept of the new scope, but the circle is just way too big. Tried it last night, wasn't a very satisfying experience.

I like the concept of the new scope, but the circle is just way too big. Tried it last night, wasn't a very satisfying experience.

You may have not been able to effectively deal with him because he was in the red line, I understand that.

I often sniped on the bridge map with a Thale's in PC. I promise you I was never in the red line though. It had nothing to do with fair. It had to do with winning. He could have had way more kills outside of the red line, if he sacrificed his safety. (people in public matches however find the time to vindictively murder Thale's users) He was certainly more interested in keeping his Thale's than winning the match. I'm sure you'll agree. In PC matches, it's hard to find the time to send someone on a mission to uproot a sniper unless you can spare an ADS pilot. Your team is too busy trying to win, a sniper is strictly tactical for holding down objectives and picking off people outdoors.

I'm just trying to say it could have been worse. Officer gear in public matches is a fringe statistic in my mind.

If the damage on the sniper rifle was through the roof, and head shots didn't matter.

I wouldn't care nearly as much. (but it's nothing like that)

Headshots are the only equalizer making the gun viable against the 1000+ hp suits.

Get rid of the circle, buff damage enough to make the gun viable in PC, bump up headshot multiplier, end of story.

(nobody was asking for a new scope, variable zoom was main thing, and personally I think zoom is fine as is)

Try getting headshots and hitting people that are head glitching and see how well you do then.

That is how sucky players like to call themselves "pro"....

90% of players ONLY play pubs, I understand YOU don't sit in the redline to snipe, you don't have to tell us whenever anyone brings up the problem of redline snipers that you aren't one of them. We understand.

Please try and understand that buffing a weapon purely to be more effective in PC is going to create a huge problem for 90% of the players. They will quickly realize that all they have to do is sit behind the biggest rock as far back in the redline as possible and they won't die. PC is a joke right now, sure snipers can make some isk in PC because they rarely die, I can understand wanting to buff the gravy train, but look at the bigger picture.

If the reticle sucks ccp will change it back. Thanks to forum QQ.

If every pub match ends up with eight snipers head glitching in in the redline, ccp will nerf it's damage and range. Thanks to forum QQ.

You sir , as well as Sym ... have been spot on in your remarks .

What you said in your comments that started with the above , was totally true and shows the passion that snipers have and their attention to detail that goes unmentioned most of the time from lack of appreciation from most in the community .

You Merc's as well as others who have spoken in this topic , show the real value and worth of the role and the skill and passion that goes with it .

Many might not understand and try to cheapen the role with their attitude , but snipers are of true importance in any campaign and of great value to any squad .

Players such as yourselves , prove that and I appreciate that .

You may have not been able to effectively deal with him because he was in the red line, I understand that.

I often sniped on the bridge map with a Thale's in PC. I promise you I was never in the red line though. It had nothing to do with fair. It had to do with winning. He could have had way more kills outside of the red line, if he sacrificed his safety. (people in public matches however find the time to vindictively murder Thale's users) He was certainly more interested in keeping his Thale's than winning the match. I'm sure you'll agree. In PC matches, it's hard to find the time to send someone on a mission to uproot a sniper unless you can spare an ADS pilot. Your team is too busy trying to win, a sniper is strictly tactical for holding down objectives and picking off people outdoors.

I'm just trying to say it could have been worse. Officer gear in public matches is a fringe statistic in my mind.

do you think that symbiotic is the only sniper on dust who is a good player?
or that he is the only sniper who is going without being able to fulfill his role at p.c level?

i'm sorry but the red line is a red herring and has just become the go to call to stop them from being fixed, which is punishing the good snipers who do play with creativity and skill for no reason.

also, buffing the weapon purely to be more effective in p.c.?
hardly.. ccp as a whole in the last year had an anti sniper approach in various ways and even the changes they made with indifference resulted in nerfs to to snipers...
to name a few:
1. ehp of all suits has gone up whilst sniper rifles remained untouched.
2. damage mods were nerfed severely
3. practically forcing snipers into a calmando suit with it's large hitbox, loud scan ping AND it's nice staypuft white colour.

if they hadn't been getting this treatment continuously across the last year then they would not be in the awkward place that they are now where advanced rifles are not good enough for pub, and proto are not good enough for pc.

as for the snipers becoming too much
1st i would say that proto sniper rifles after they are fixed should be expensive, people choose to play in advanced on the ground due to it being expensive-so would snipers. (this would also increase their "risk")
2nd the head glitch is a problem and has been all along, but lets face it that is mostly due the rendering issues
3rd if they become a threat on the battlefield then they will be getting dealt with by opposing players in battle instead of ignored.

Your the kind of sniper that sits in the redline with a charge and wyk swarms in case of dropships. The only people that could get to you were the guys the got OB to get rid of you. But you came right back anyways so you guys did it to yourself.

But he look at the bright side 5000 WP OB xD

this will clarify.

My guess is those shots were not hitting unless you seen his health go down.

I agree but it seemed perfect to what he as crying about, the new charge sniper scope is ok but not as bad as people are making it seem

I beta tested this for you on live, and here are the results.

Hitting moving targets has now become guesswork and not skill. You can have a player inside the circle but not in your direct line of fire. Meaning you have to guess when they will enter the very center of your cross hair. Before this it was as simple as watching two points intersect. The player and your dot. If they kept moving at the same rate of speed hitting them was rather simple. It was timing. Not guess where the exact center of circle is and when they'll be there. The sniper rifle has been a precision weapon that kills people from great distances by lining up shots. Now your exact direct line of fire is lost, the circle actually clutters up your shot. I feel like I've lost the ability to get moving head shots. Sadly, I was correct when I called this change the "guestimation circle of poor aiming".

I had a friend of mine who is one of the top players for battlefield 4 as a forward recon give me his opinion of the sight. He said he didn't like it at all, that sight already exists in battlefield 4 and very few people choose to use it. I was like no ****.

In conclusion..

• Hitting moving targets has become more difficult (no fixed accurate point for your line of fire)

• Just because someone is inside your circle doesn't mean you can hit them.

• Hitting someone who is head glitching has become more difficult (you need to place the bottom portion of an invisible dot on the very tip top of their head, and for this reason it favors degenerate red line snipers)

Sorry CCP Logibro, I appreciate the attempt to make the role better. I appreciate the slight damage increase to light damage mods now. I do not however appreciate the 1000-1400hp assaults running around. The Sniper Rifle isn't tuned to be effective against that much health by the way. You try it.

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Thanks for the support everyone. Please, if you know any snipers in Dust 514 that do not use the forums please encourage them to come here and post about this. Clearly I hate the change, but I respect anyone who tries to snipe in the current game state and would like to hear what they too have to say.

Sniper Rifle changes are coming in Hotfix Delta..

This is the time that snipers should be voicing their opinions for future relevance.