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Symbioticforks wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

Symbioticforks wrote:

The red line is a red herring.

These players don't impact matches generally. If you're already winning your red line snipers do next to nothing. Most red line snipers are not going for head shots because it's difficult and more time consuming at extreme ranges. Most red line snipers are also in Militia suits. Making all snipers more powerful, also makes me more likely to die. I just want to be relevant in PC matches without having to use a Thale's.

Is that so wrong?

It's only a red herring on some maps. Maps like Bridge for example, a red line thales can pick off many reinforcements to the bridge or any players that get flushed out. Literally yesterday we had an enemy team where the thales sniper was head glitching from their red line with a clear LOS to the bridge. Having to constantly hide DOES impact how well you can defend an objective. It was a calmmando Ck.0 with a Thales. I know because I was trying to snipe them and could see the chevron + would line up head shots with the 170% and couldn't hit them ever, (IE. I could see his stats.) On my screen it looked like the head was under the crest of the hill. The only way I could of possibly hit them from there is if I stood on top of a drop ship that elevated itself into the stratosphere so that I could get an angle on him as the only building nearby was that slopped one that you slide off of.

Fixing the red line is the only way that I could see CCP solving the head glitching issue because head glitching isn't a big deal when you can actually ambush the target. Although next time I see a player doing this with a thales I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and call in a throw-away dropship in a heavy burst hmg fit. It will take me out of the action for a while but it's worth it I guess since we probably will never have another alternative. I've seen head glitching red line thales go 30/0 in some matches, 150 clones versus 120 clones is a pretty big deal in pubs.

I think as we discerned in a past conversation we probably aren't in the same region. I can testify though to the fact that pubs in US East are pretty scummy tactics wise. From what I have always seen though, US East is the FPS equivalent of RTS Korea. Cheese through exploitation abounds.

You may have not been able to effectively deal with him because he was in the red line, I understand that.

I often sniped on the bridge map with a Thale's in PC. I promise you I was never in the red line though. It had nothing to do with fair. It had to do with winning. He could have had way more kills outside of the red line, if he sacrificed his safety. (people in public matches however find the time to vindictively murder Thale's users) He was certainly more interested in keeping his Thale's than winning the match. I'm sure you'll agree. In PC matches, it's hard to find the time to send someone on a mission to uproot a sniper unless you can spare an ADS pilot. Your team is too busy trying to win, a sniper is strictly tactical for holding down objectives and picking off people outdoors.

I'm just trying to say it could have been worse. Officer gear in public matches is a fringe statistic in my mind.


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TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 390	Posted - 2014.08.14 13:23:00 - [1] - Quote Yeah I have pretty much given up on head shotting moving targets now because of the new reticle. You pretty much need to aim center mass to ensure a hit, now compound this with the fact that e/hp has been buffed on light frames and now medium frames and sniping is pretty much only useful for the occasional player that stands still in the open and for counter sniping though as the OP has pointed out that has also become more difficult when hunting redline snipers. I pretty much now have to keep fishing for the headshot bonus and now even more so then before, it seems like I'll still miss that head shot from time to time when it's lined up.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 432	Posted - 2014.08.15 12:19:00 - [2] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: The red line is a red herring. These players don't impact matches generally. If you're already winning your red line snipers do next to nothing. Most red line snipers are not going for head shots because it's difficult and more time consuming at extreme ranges. Most red line snipers are also in Militia suits. Making all snipers more powerful, also makes me more likely to die. I just want to be relevant in PC matches without having to use a Thale's. Is that so wrong? It's only a red herring on some maps. Maps like Bridge for example, a red line thales can pick off many reinforcements to the bridge or any players that get flushed out. Literally yesterday we had an enemy team where the thales sniper was head glitching from there redline with a clear LOS to the bridge. Having to constantly hide DOES impact how well you can defend an objective. It was a calmmando Ck.0 with a Thales. I know because I was trying to snipe them and could see the chevron + would line up head shots with the 170% and couldn't hit them ever, (IE. I could see his stats.) On my screen it looked like the head was under the crest of the hill. The only way I could of possibly hit them from there is if I stood on top of a drop ship that elevated itself into the stratosphere so that I could get an angle on him as the only building nearby was that slopped one that you slide off of.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 436	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:52:00 - [3] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Symbioticforks wrote: The red line is a red herring. These players don't impact matches generally. If you're already winning your red line snipers do next to nothing. Most red line snipers are not going for head shots because it's difficult and more time consuming at extreme ranges. Most red line snipers are also in Militia suits. Making all snipers more powerful, also makes me more likely to die. I just want to be relevant in PC matches without having to use a Thale's. Is that so wrong? It's only a red herring on some maps. Maps like Bridge for example, a red line thales can pick off many reinforcements to the bridge or any players that get flushed out. Literally yesterday we had an enemy team where the thales sniper was head glitching from their red line with a clear LOS to the bridge. Having to constantly hide DOES impact how well you can defend an objective. It was a calmmando Ck.0 with a Thales. I know because I was trying to snipe them and could see the chevron + would line up head shots with the 170% and couldn't hit them ever, (IE. I could see his stats.) On my screen it looked like the head was under the crest of the hill. The only way I could of possibly hit them from there is if I stood on top of a drop ship that elevated itself into the stratosphere so that I could get an angle on him as the only building nearby was that slopped one that you slide off of. Fixing the red line is the only way that I could see CCP solving the head glitching issue because head glitching isn't a big deal when you can actually ambush the target. Although next time I see a player doing this with a thales I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and call in a throw-away dropship in a heavy burst hmg fit. It will take me out of the action for a while but it's worth it I guess since we probably will never have another alternative. I've seen head glitching red line thales go 30/0 in some matches, 150 clones versus 120 clones is a pretty big deal in pubs. I think as we discerned in a past conversation we probably aren't in the same region. I can testify though to the fact that pubs in US East are pretty scummy tactics wise. From what I have always seen though, US East is the FPS equivalent of RTS Korea. Cheese through exploitation abounds. You may have not been able to effectively deal with him because he was in the red line, I understand that. I often sniped on the bridge map with a Thale's in PC. I promise you I was never in the red line though. It had nothing to do with fair. It had to do with winning. He could have had way more kills outside of the red line, if he sacrificed his safety. (people in public matches however find the time to vindictively murder Thale's users) He was certainly more interested in keeping his Thale's than winning the match. I'm sure you'll agree. In PC matches, it's hard to find the time to send someone on a mission to uproot a sniper unless you can spare an ADS pilot. Your team is too busy trying to win, a sniper is strictly tactical for holding down objectives and picking off people outdoors. I'm just trying to say it could have been worse. Officer gear in public matches is a fringe statistic in my mind. At least since FF its become less common. Mostly its just left over bitterness from the fact that before most the vets quit after FF, nearly every match there would be one guy on the enemy team in a sentinel X.k0 with a Thales head glitching padding their kdr. It is less common though as people have stopped caring about the stats since its a terminal game. I don't fault them for hiding in the red line, as I do that with my Thales a lot simply because the zoom is ridiculous on some maps, what I do take fault with is the snipers that I watch intentionally head glitch. I'll see them keep shifting right under the hill until they get the exact spot. That's the only thing I find deplorable about some snipers. I don't even mind if snipers use the red line as long as they are being what I consider "legit" about it which is not head glitching. It's just generally only brought up synonymous with the red line, because someone head glitching within the map you can ambush since they won't have good map awareness given the nature of the glitch (Looking slightly over the hill making them blind to everything directly underneath them.)