Dear players,

We have been revisiting a lot of the PG/CPU (I will call it Capacity or Cap from now on) per dropsuit in the last months. It has become blatantly clear, by a lot of definitons, that Assault suits have too little capacity and Sentinels have way too much.

Data points such as comparing capacity per slot for all the roles, and fitting limitations of the Assault. We tried and testing multiple combinations of full proto items in all slots, and the difference is very noticeable.

The use of Assault Rifle Sentinels is also very prevalent and not something the game is balanced around, but we have not wanted to enforce Heavy weapons only in the Heavy Weapon slot, but will address it differently.

For these numbers, an improved methodology of capacity slot allotment per individual slot has been worked out, so that the capacity is the sum of all slots, balanced per tier and slot type and race. That means that a slot layout change can be represented immediately in a new capacity.

The result can be found in the following document.

Dropsuit Capacity

The effective buff is around 10% increased capacity to Assaults, and an effective 10% nerf to Sentinel capacity, the reduction being offset by a 5% per level fitting reduction to Heavy Weapons.

By these changes, Sentinels are still considerably ahead of the second highest capacity per slot, the Commando, and the third highest, the Scout. The Assault, having been the lowest, will be placed in and around Scouts and Logistics. We believe these changes are warranted and fair. We encourage you to prove, and demonstrate, that some viable fittings are OP or UP, and we will take those into consideration with the final numbers.

Please keep it civil and constructive

P.S.
We also buffed Minmatar Scout PG a little

EDIT: Please do not factor in the theoretical new layout. Use current slot layouts for theory crafting as those are familiar to you. Combining the two discussions will result in inconclusive data for us.

I think lowering the CPU of the C-Assault, and we should increase the PG instead.
Because, RR and Bolt pistol, and shield extender have high PG.

Amarr Assault needs a second look, agreed. Anything else?

Amarr Assault needs a second look, agreed. Anything else?

I think lowering the CPU of the C-Assault, and we should increase the PG instead.
Because, RR and Bolt pistol, and shield extender have high PG.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?

Wat
Caldari already fit CPU mods all the time.
You want to reduce Caldari CPU further?

=> do you know how many mods assaults must sacrifice to have a good fit ?

Wat
Caldari already fit CPU mods all the time.
You want to reduce Caldari CPU further?

I spoke about Calda

Oh lol,

After re-reading your post you thought I meant "My heavy CAN barely run this fit" as if I was complaining about the heavy fitting nerf
but I clearly stated "My heavy SHOULD barely run this fit"

In other words, I want the sentinels to be nerfed more than they are proposed, and I was giving an example for how little CPU we heavies actually need.

Besides, heavies have 5 mod slots 2 weapons 1 grenade
Assaults have 7 mod slots 2 weapons 1 grenade 1 equipment

Heavies have 8 slots
Assaults have 11 slots

So if I have to reduce 3 slots to adv instead of using all proto, that's 3/8 slots or 37.5%
Assaults would have to reduce at least 4 slots, which after the buff (if CCP actually buffs assaults properly), hopefully you will only have to reduce 3 instead of 4 or 5.

Amarr Assault needs a second look, agreed. Anything else?

You need a little more CPU on the adv caldari assault. You can't fit adv av grenades while using adv racial weapons and mods. You also can't fit any equipment at all unless you downgrade weapons or mods

We are applying a consistent method to PG/CPU calculations and balancing. We, therefore, need to make shield tanking more viable to make these suits competitive or give them better bonuses.

Amarr Assault needs a second look, agreed. Anything else?

As for heavies, please don't forget about the Heavy Weapon Operation skill bonus when calculating for the reduction of weapons.

My general proto Amarr fitting is (ish)

2 complex extenders - 110 cpu
1 complex plate - 35 cpu
2 complex armor repairers - 90 cpu

Boundless/Six Kin 100 cpu (75 after bonus)
STD Bolt Pistol (this is where I save a lot of fitting space, but I could easily run proto) - 10 cpu
ADV Grenade (again can easily run proto) - 20 cpu

Total CPU: 340ish

I should barely be able to run this fitting, I should at least have to sacrifice the plate to advanced, or the removal of the grenade. If I ran a proto light weapon I would then begin to have to sacrifice more than one module.

That means the CPU for the proto Amarr heavy (after circuitry bonuses) should be at least 340, at most 375. If I'm wrong with my estimates than go a bit higher, but there should be no reason why I should have over 400 cpu with my heavy.

show us the protofits example, so we can gauge how much cpu you claim is necessary

FOR CALDARI ASSAULT (PRO)
On a minmatar proto (to have the same slots)
As you want to improve PG/CPU for Caldari :
CPU : 317x1.30 = 412.1CPU => 412 CPU
PG : 66x1.30 = 85.8 PG => 86PG

You can see, with all skills, on my fit, I've :

1st suit : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/5561

- 3 complex shield extenders
- 1 complex shield energizer
- 1 enhanced shield energizer
- Ishukone assault Rail Rifle
- Kaalakiota Magsec SMG
- M1 locus grenade
- Ishukone Gauged Nanohive
- Complex shield regulator
- Complex reactive plate (to have a bit PG and a bit less CPU used)

Result ? (I must say : I've put a lot of complex mods and the sidearm weapon is proto, the nanohive too)

546 CPU and 78PG

Thought ?
We would have so much PG (+/-6) and not enought CPU (less 134CPU)


2nd suit : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/5588

I've change 2 things :
- I've change my complex energizer for an enhanced
- I've change my Kaalakiota Magsec SMG for the N7-A

Result ?

511 CPU and 75PG

Thought ?
We would still have so much PG (+/-9) and still not enought CPU (less 99CPU)



My opinion :
Put at the begining for the Caldari Assault :
390CPU (with all skills, it could have 507CPU)
63PG (with all skills : 81.9 => 82PG) (or 62..)

What about fitting rechargers instead of energizers. That would save a great amount of cpu.

I had an outage recently , I usually keep eyes glued to any changes and upload proposed changes to protofits as soon as able, been a bit late to this most recent party unfortunately, but I just finished up creating the dropsuits with the currently proposed hotfix Charlie capacity modifications [Jul/19] showed at the start of this thread. The experimental dropsuits are particularly marked 'Hotfix Charlie' so feel free to tinker o7.

Glad to see that there's use to the site, if I can make or change anything there feel free to let me know and I'll try to make it happen.

Regards.

I had an outage recently , I usually keep eyes glued to any changes and upload proposed changes to protofits as soon as able, been a bit late to this most recent party unfortunately, but I just finished up creating the dropsuits with the currently proposed hotfix Charlie capacity modifications [Jul/19] showed at the start of this thread. The experimental dropsuits are particularly marked 'Hotfix Charlie' so feel free to tinker o7.

Glad to see that there's use to the site, if I can make or change anything there feel free to let me know and I'll try to make it happen.

Regards.