You cant factor out a players skill. A good forger will take me out a bad one wont, simple so get your skill up not you but anyone complaining about dropships being op.

I'm not sure you understood my post. If Player A plays using a Python half the time and using AV half the time, in which does he die more often? In which does he kill more often? If money was on the line and they played against themselves would they choose to be a pilot or an AV'er? We have players that do both, so skill isn't the differentiating factor for them.

If a dropship cannot outrun a swarm fired at it, then it serves no purpose. If fired; swarms hit. we no longer need swarm tracking or speed. Scouts can outrun heavies. Any infantry player can run round a corner. In the sky there are no corners. Are we not allowed to evade? If not then how do we survive? It's tank or run. Deny us the AB and as we cannot tank, as I show, and we cannot run, then Dropships become non viable.

You shouldn't be able to insta-accelerate outside their range, however, which I suspect is what happens.
In the same way that Fuel Injectors need looking at for HAVs, AB need some attention. If nothing else, their cooldown times should be altered a little. Thing is always active.

You've been here long enough, you know whats going to happen.

If a dropship cannot outrun a swarm fired at it, then it serves no purpose. If fired; swarms hit. we no longer need swarm tracking or speed. Scouts can outrun heavies. Any infantry player can run round a corner. In the sky there are no corners. Are we not allowed to evade? If not then how do we survive? It's tank or run. Deny us the AB and as we cannot tank, as I show, and we cannot run, then Dropships become non viable.

Perhaps a nerf to AB cool down would suffice if you would like to retain that ability then sacrifice that ridiculously fast cool down, I mean it's like 10 seconds even if you dive back down almost instantly after use it's still pretty much cooled down by the time you back to killing. For such a valuable module it has such minimal fitting costs and cool down.

I'm fairly intrigued that enemy chevrons aren't showing up at some of the ranges you were at from them; particularly when you flew over the hanger with the swarmer and forger on it. Is that how it is for a lot of players? Because I usually got the chevron at those ranges (and I usually play solo so no shared scans) but it has been a little bit since a flew, just really got back into playing the game.

Thankfully this is a confirmed bug, but since it requires a client side patch to fix, it won't get fixed for some time.

Unfortunately many pilots have grown so accustomed to this crutch that they defend it with everything they have. It's honestly just sad to see.

Rate of fire bonus isn't a bug, stacking rate of fire bonuses from multiple players is.

I'm not sure you understood my post. If Player A plays using a Python half the time and using AV half the time, in which does he die more often? In which does he kill more often? If money was on the line and they played against themselves would they choose to be a pilot or an AV'er? We have players that do both, so skill isn't the differentiating factor for them.

The difference in HP is about a single hit from some AV, and other AV the difference doesn't even exist. You're going down in the same amount of hits regardless. Also, you only need a single side gunner to abuse the bug, not two.

As I've stated countless times, peoples beef is with small turrets having obnoxious fitting requirements. It's just that bads have grown so accustomed to having bugged turrets that it's now a staple of their day to day, and they can't imagine life any other way.

Thankfully this is a confirmed bug, but since it requires a client side patch to fix, it won't get fixed for some time.

Unfortunately many pilots have grown so accustomed to this crutch that they defend it with everything they have. It's honestly just sad to see.

the ridiculous rot of fire is not a bug but a passive skill you get for leveling up the ADS of your choice......cal get bonus to missle ROF and gal get it to hybrid turrets......its not the RoF thats the problem...its the after burners that are OP.....use to get out of range...and by the time your fully healed the after burner is ready to go again.....so as soon as they take any damage they fly away....the biggest problem for an ADS is the collision damage to them.....tap them with a MLT DS and watch them go down in flames....

the ADS is getting a price drop in the next hotfix. Is the sky going to be filled with OP players? Is the Afterburner OP? When AV meets ADS where lies the balance?

But what you aren't understanding is that by having and 2 gunners skilled into the dropship you can achieve a staggering 150% ROF this is a bug and turns an ADS into a fully fledged gunship, even the blaster is powerful when it gets 150% extra ROF.

If you had watched judges video, he explains quite clearly why regularly run, what do you expect us to do, sit their amd take it?
If you are using AV you need to be prepared to run it all match, it's not something you keep in your fittings so you can pop a tank and go back to being infantry again.

I watched his video and most of it was his explain/QQ about how as an ADS pilot you cant see AV players because of rendering issues, not saying he is wrong.

You say I QQ, unfairly I think. Do you think the issues I showed and the problems they cause are really a QQ, or a legitimate and fair representation of what actually happens?

the ADS is getting a price drop in the next hotfix. Is the sky going to be filled with OP players? Is the Afterburner OP? When AV meets ADS where lies the balance?

Let me get the conversation started.



Also... Vote Judge

How about on coming AV projectile tracking on your radar for on coming misses/rails and a some sound alerting your taking fire to indicate youve been damage? Simple yet effective.

CCP might want to expand the radar for dropships as well compared to infantry if it isn't already.

I can see that your one of the newer players and dont understand the math behind how it works.....it's not 50%+50%+50%= 150%...it's x +50% = x then you add 50% to the end result and so forth ( EVE .....so its actually worst then you think.....and tbh as far as i know the stack does not count on the ADS/tank its self for those passive skills....it only work for the turrets that people use, where their turret skills stack on top of your for boosted small turret effects.

(So if you know exactly how it works AND it has been confirmed by the devs themselves, why are you trying to fob it off as nothing, it happens they have said as much. Edit: Aah, all I did was miss a + sign, easy mistake to make on a tablet.)

When we had the vayu tanks if 2 tankers hopped into it the passive bonus from the vayu skill did not stack, so why would it stack for an ads...

(Once again the devs have said it happens and that it is a bug that will require a fix.)



I watched his video and most of it was his explain/QQ about how as an ADS pilot you cant see AV players because of rendering issues, not saying he is wrong. You can run AV and still kill infantry, its called commando suits. Run any light weapon with swarms as your second....instant multitasking suit fitting lol

(Do you know why? He made such a point of it? Because it's a big point, once again he explains the logic we use very well. We can't see who so we leave. Once again your problem which seems to be not getting the kill, it's called forethought and planning. Like an infantry player, if we don't like the engagement, we leave just like you do. So why are you complaining, if you can run commandos, do so.)

I'm not sure we can do this sort of thing within the current hotfix model. Better passive scans would be a start. They would even the field a bit. I see you. You see me.. then we can decide on balance and make it fun for all.