Just in case anybody was wondering.
Nobody gives a **** about taking a district since they're useless. And nobody can make money through it in any kind of way. So all the districts are just sitting there. The owners of them just waiting til maybe the mode gets fixed to not be totally useless.
Since right now it just a worse isk sink than fw.
Anyways. Whatever.

Look on the brightside, now when you're fighting on your territory you'll know that you're fighting for a good fight, and not just making it so you, and everyone in your circle can run proto every match. Which, lets be honest, you probably already have said ability anyway...Also your corp's name means "Mr. Meow," Nyan= Meow in Japanese, San=Mr,Ms,or something like that,(mind=blown).

Good, no one cares. NS not making billions of isk passively off 80 districts to pub stomp with? NS crying about no one wanting to play the game you helped destroy? Go back to your doughnut nub, eat it alone as hollow as it is. Pubs are the most important part of any shooter and ccp simply put a stop to exploits that corps like yours used to gain isk and ruin this game. Lol enjoy your districts noob.

Wow ignorant much?

Nyain San was running full time proto Long before PC came out. And their main members will continue to do it without issue.

Nyain San never became a Major PC player until Impz imploded and their alliance ended.

CCP stop putting exploits? Your serious? You play more then one game? CCP has a history of WORKING with exploiters to try and close those loop holes... Check EVE's history, entire alliances and power blocks have been built out of that arrangement.. Even funnier.. Is... can you name a game on console without massive exploits? You would have to be a complete tool for that to be a main point.

Stagnate pub's are what kills shooters. Again you would have to be completely oblivious and ignorant to think this. Counter-strike shows such success these days because of Competition leagues. The fact that average CS players can join up to a league on their skill level that they can progress keeps that game active... Keeps the hardcore hardcore... and the up and coming players something to learn and shoot for.

It's even this way with CoD... It's all about the leagues.. League of Legends... you name it...You look at any game out there and if you don't have a well constructed End game you game Stagnates and dies.

Pub-stars can never ever be satisfied. they come and go.

And again would have to be oblivious and down right moronic to think they made billions. Specially when they have spent billions on PC.

Wow ignorant much?

Nyain San was running full time proto Long before PC came out. And their main members will continue to do it without issue.

Nyain San never became a Major PC player until Impz imploded and their alliance ended.

CCP stop putting exploits? Your serious? You play more then one game? CCP has a history of WORKING with exploiters to try and close those loop holes... Check EVE's history, entire alliances and power blocks have been built out of that arrangement.. Even funnier.. Is... can you name a game on console without massive exploits? You would have to be a complete tool for that to be a main point.

Stagnate pub's are what kills shooters. Again you would have to be completely oblivious and ignorant to think this. Counter-strike shows such success these days because of Competition leagues. The fact that average CS players can join up to a league on their skill level that they can progress keeps that game active... Keeps the hardcore hardcore... and the up and coming players something to learn and shoot for.

It's even this way with CoD... It's all about the leagues.. League of Legends... you name it...You look at any game out there and if you don't have a well constructed End game you game Stagnates and dies.

Pub-stars can never ever be satisfied. they come and go.

And again would have to be oblivious and down right moronic to think they made billions. Specially when they have spent billions on PC.

When you say imploded it sounds painful but I don't remember it hurting Well leaving the first corp I've ever been in kinda hurt. But anyways I've grinded billions from using BPO's. PC doesn't effect me one bit, that being said you staying on console or bringing some pot over to PC? I'm headed to Titan Fall and PS2 till Legion comes out.

did 2 PC's last night made 10 mil.....

I KNow some "Impz at heart" that still talk about the end with a nostalgic tear in the eye.

Yah been playing Titanfall on PC since it came out... Another example of Pubs stagnating.. If you aren't getting into competitive play the game gets boring so quick.

Been playing on PS2 alot lately.. The new map Hossin in a giant kinda tropical forest is awesome.. just got my BR to 100... But the game gets boring after 3-4 hours.. And you feel tired as hell after.

Back in the day players got about 20 mil a PC.. Well the good players, Huge difference now. Haven't played recently 10 mil good for PC now?

Well damn, I won't be on for like a week or so then I'll be a scrub all over again. But I haven't played PS2 in a long time so I'm hoping it's better this time

My suggestion is just drop 20 bucks on it and treat it as a cheap game. Will save you alot of frustration in character progression. PS2 suffers from the same new player curses DUST does.

Just in case anybody was wondering.
Nobody gives a **** about taking a district since they're useless. And nobody can make money through it in any kind of way. So all the districts are just sitting there. The owners of them just waiting til maybe the mode gets fixed to not be totally useless.
Since right now it just a worse isk sink than fw.
Anyways. Whatever.

I don't see a point in PC anymore....just mouse and keyboard heavies and RE scouts...it's lame

This player can't be serious....

And I wonder why Fox News still has people that watch it.

The Human Condition.

I don't expect someone from a corp that held over 10 districts to understand.....sucks you can make Isk while locking districts now doesn't it? What happened to AE? Broke from stress of the PC changes? Good lord....

Retirement from a dead game is what I recall.

This player can't be serious....

And I wonder why Fox News still has people that watch it.

The Human Condition.

That does make more sense O.O

Problem with your assumptions is they are freaking terrible and sad.

The ONLY place in DUST you got good fights was PC.

16 mercenaries organized, focused on a singular goal and executing strategies to impose their will on the match.

Pubs are a freaking clown cars full of any moron you can fit in.

PC is supposed to be the End game for DUST... The whole reason to play DUST past a couple Pub matches.

Instead we get a bunch of you people who don't understand that the average PC player even in the HEIGHT of farming PC was BROKE.

Yes the Average PC player is BROKE. WAS BROKE, And has ALWAYS been BROKE. even in the height of District locking.

This is fact..... Get your head around it.

The ONLY people who got rich are people who where ALREADY running full time proto-type at a Profit. The PC ISK just added to the Hundreds of millions they had sitting there for 3-4 months.


The ISK Generated in PC at MAX POTENTIAL.. Meaning no attacks in all of Molden Heath. No Clone losses what so ever... Doesnt Even add up to the ISK generated everyday by players Creating a new character and transferring the 250k off to their main, deleting character and doing it again for 4 accounts per day.

Those are the PUB stars in Pub's running proto all day and not caring about the losses.

Ask Duna how many PC's he needed to do to afford endless tanks?

The mere connection between PC and being well off in DUST is a SAD JOKE, and completely comes from Fear, hate and ignorance.

So, districts can't be locked anymore, thus PC is dead? It seems like the general opinion is that pubs aren't competitive or fun, and PC is the only place to get those kinds of amazing matches that can be talked about days later. Shouldn't those matches be reward enough? Was the only thing desired in PC the ability to make millions, or were people going into those matches with the hope that they could get a challenge? If the second is true, then why is PC dead? Keep playing for fun, not to become rich in a game with no future.

But hey, whatever floats the boat.

No one ruined the game.. Corps simply recruited good and got into PC new corps were created which outlasted the older corps (other than a few) this game hasn't been controlled by 1 or 2 Groups this whole time it's been a phase, Imperfects, EON, AE, NS, DNS, ERA. All in top alliances and all these corps have fought each other to get where they are today.. They didn't sit back in pubs they took initiative and went into PC for the competition and isk.

No one ruined the game.. Corps simply recruited good and got into PC new corps were created which outlasted the older corps (other than a few) this game hasn't been controlled by 1 or 2 Groups this whole time it's been a phase, Imperfects, EON, AE, NS, DNS, ERA. All in top alliances and all these corps have fought each other to get where they are today.. They didn't sit back in pubs they took initiative and went into PC for the competition and isk.

RE: the KBM comment - is there something I'm missing? Circle-strafing is way quicker than left-right strafing w/ a keyboard. I don't really see what the big deal is.

If you think PC has anything to do with someone being wealthy in DUST? your clueless about the basic workings of this game.

i think you are being willfully ignorant.

NS did district lockings, they joined all the monopoly alliances, (jumping ship at the right time), put all their timers on Tokyo time, and then spent regular prime time in pub matches doing endless stomps. Stop acting like they are just a bunch of regular folks who had a few good games of caught some lucky breaks. They systematically used and abused the system till CCP had their hand forced into changing it. They took a positive community reward, and turned it into something that negatively impacted many players and the game itself.

They had a choice. They could have out their timers in regular time. Since they are all online at that time anyway. But they preferred to do stomps and make the timers inaccessible. They locked, before locking was fixed. they did everything in their power to keep their ISK subsidy just so they could finance the stomping of new players.

Theres alot of players and corps who could legitimately say that the changes to PC have negatively impacted them. NS and their NC puppets are not one of them. It was their actions more than any other corp that provoked these changes. If theres anyone who should just shut up and deal with the consequences, its them.

Sad joke huh? You do the math there Beth, 15 mil isk a day x 80 districts..... Thats what NS was, doing for months. Some of us know apparently you dont.

As for a good fight blah blah, doesnt matter, pc represented an elite few, any league type play in a shooter always has. The MAJORITY of this community is in public matches always has been always will be. So therefore again I say no one cares that pc is dead, you are in a corp that helped kill the game and when Kujo didn't get what he thought the doughnut would provide after fan fest he ran away.

Frankly im glad many of you left. Its opened the game up for new players and other corps. Even if the isk generated wasnt substantial it was enough to support protostompimg andmI don't want to hear any lies about protostomping being profitable. If you lose 2 protosuits in pubs you have lost money, mand if you die even once then at best you break even, in a, really high wp game where I make 300,000 isk or more maybe I can die twice. These people, you people stomped the life out of the game and ANYONE who was not an elitist will tell you that simple truth. Protostomping corps in pubs was the single biggest downfall in dust 514 period.

These could never have enough respect to leave one game mode unstomped. No, wed rather ride into a pub 6 or 12 deep, sling on them, FOTM redline noobs in 2 minutes and then run around the redline chasing kills. Omg do you even know how boring that was? It was inconceivable that rather than making blues feel bad for being noobs we wouod help them, guide them, squad with them.

No all you and your ilk did was to discourage, dissuade, and disrespect new dots. Well you, the Japs, the Kains, Kujos, Cubs, and whoever else got what you wanted. PC is all yours go fight each other. Heres a thought, go fight Nyain San. Go fight the corps you blued up with that were your competition that you decided to doughnut up with so you didn't have to fight......

i think you are being willfully ignorant.

NS did district lockings, they joined all the monopoly alliances, (jumping ship at the right time), put all their timers on Tokyo time, and then spent regular prime time in pub matches doing endless stomps. Stop acting like they are just a bunch of regular folks who had a few good games of caught some lucky breaks. They systematically used and abused the system till CCP had their hand forced into changing it. They took a positive community reward, and turned it into something that negatively impacted many players and the game itself.

They had a choice. They could have out their timers in regular time. Since they are all online at that time anyway. But they preferred to do stomps and make the timers inaccessible. They locked, before locking was fixed. they did everything in their power to keep their ISK subsidy just so they could finance the stomping of new players.

Theres alot of players and corps who could legitimately say that the changes to PC have negatively impacted them. NS and their NC puppets are not one of them. It was their actions more than any other corp that provoked these changes. If theres anyone who should just shut up and deal with the consequences, its them.

Pubs are a freaking clown cars full of any moron you can fit in.

And as for you noob,, you are not even that good. You are ok at best,, so stfu.

i think you are being willfully ignorant.

NS did district lockings, they joined all the monopoly alliances, (jumping ship at the right time), put all their timers on Tokyo time, and then spent regular prime time in pub matches doing endless stomps. Stop acting like they are just a bunch of regular folks who had a few good games of caught some lucky breaks. They systematically used and abused the system till CCP had their hand forced into changing it. They took a positive community reward, and turned it into something that negatively impacted many players and the game itself.

They had a choice. They could have out their timers in regular time. Since they are all online at that time anyway. But they preferred to do stomps and make the timers inaccessible. They locked, before locking was fixed. they did everything in their power to keep their ISK subsidy just so they could finance the stomping of new players.

Theres alot of players and corps who could legitimately say that the changes to PC have negatively impacted them. NS and their NC puppets are not one of them. It was their actions more than any other corp that provoked these changes. If theres anyone who should just shut up and deal with the consequences, its them.

American time is not 'regular time'. They set their timers late near downtime because that was when they are awake and most active, they are not as active as when the majority of American players are on.
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Before talking maybe you should have put some timers on our time? Then I wouldn't have to wake up early to take you're ****.: we dealt with it and didn't cry so why are you?

Everything you said in this post is half true and based on either forum rumors or bullshit gossip you hear in game from players who know half truths they are repeating off forums.. and make up the rest.

It's just fear and ignorance spewing this kinda garbage.

You really are that ignorant aren't you? If you were in NS you would know when most players get on.. Yeah we have about 2 full squads during NA time but why would we set timers for 12 -20 players? NS prime time isn't NA prime time. We have enough players for at least 1 squad at all times (usually, not always).
Also we try to q-sync against each other when we have 2 full squads on. Unfortunately the matchmaking doesn't always put us on opposite sides..

Look, you can justify things however you want. Getting me to agree with you wont change much. The OP started this thread to lament the lack of passive ISK. I was simply explaining to him that he belonged to an organization that is partially responsible for the present situation.

You can give your reasons, ect. It wont change what has happened. if people didn't reallocate PC ISK to pubs, people in the pubs wouldn't have complained as much. And if they didn't complain as much, CCP wouldn't have had to change the system. Im not the one that said "Yeah why dont you guys grab 5 madrugar ion cannons and go stomp a bunch of new players right out of the academy". You guys did that all on your own.

You can call me ignorant all you want. Maybe from your perspective thats how I look. From my perspective though, you look like you're in denial.

You really are that ignorant aren't you? If you were in NS you would know when most players get on.. Yeah we have about 2 full squads during NA time but why would we set timers for 12 -20 players? NS prime time isn't NA prime time. We have enough players for at least 1 squad at all times (usually, not always).
Also we try to q-sync against each other when we have 2 full squads on. Unfortunately the matchmaking doesn't always put us on opposite sides..

Four districts flipped today so...

What can you do when LAVALLOIS Nash makes up facts then calls them true because he saw it one time in DUST..

Just like the matchmaking system is completely the players fault who then have to use his "Made up sense of video game Honor" to not actively kill the game.

He can continue to blame the players for the state of DUST... But he and everyone that does just looks like an absolute moron trying to do so.

Well a confirmed sighting usually means something crosses over from "suspected" to "confirmed". If I saw something, even once, I can confirm i saw it. If I never, ever saw it, then it is suspected. or "rumored", if you will.

So its not made up in that sense. Besides, weve already confirmed that although im not 100% right, im atleast 50%.



Its not about a "made up sense of honor". its about not hurting retention in a nascent FPS. Since you know everything, you would have known that FPS games, especially console ones, is a overly saturated market, and that a game has to be extraordinary to capture and retain a respectable market share.

Since an online FPS game is made up of....community.....its a collective responsibility to help player retention along. Instead vets like you spend all day giving people more reasons to leave rather than stay. Heres some simple economics: Dwindling player base = dwindling player generated revenue = Game terminated much earlier than projected.



The game IS players. Its an online FPS. Without players, its just a bunch of artwork and customization options. CCP can only do so much.

You are quick to blame, and even insult others for what you perceive is failure to do something on their part, but really, you have never stepped up and taken responsibility to make it better. You just participate in self destructive behavior and then lament that CCP is not cleaning up your mess properly.

Problem with your assumptions is they are freaking terrible and sad.

The ONLY place in DUST you got good fights was PC.

16 mercenaries organized, focused on a singular goal and executing strategies to impose their will on the match.

Pubs are a freaking clown cars full of any moron you can fit in.

PC is supposed to be the End game for DUST... The whole reason to play DUST past a couple Pub matches.

Instead we get a bunch of you people who don't understand that the average PC player even in the HEIGHT of farming PC was BROKE.

Yes the Average PC player is BROKE. WAS BROKE, And has ALWAYS been BROKE. even in the height of District locking.

This is fact..... Get your head around it.

The ONLY people who got rich are people who where ALREADY running full time proto-type at a Profit. The PC ISK just added to the Hundreds of millions they had sitting there for 3-4 months.


The ISK Generated in PC at MAX POTENTIAL.. Meaning no attacks in all of Molden Heath. No Clone losses what so ever... Doesnt Even add up to the ISK generated everyday by players Creating a new character and transferring the 250k off to their main, deleting character and doing it again for 4 accounts per day.

Those are the PUB stars in Pub's running proto all day and not caring about the losses.

Ask Duna how many PC's he needed to do to afford endless tanks?

The mere connection between PC and being well off in DUST is a SAD JOKE, and completely comes from Fear, hate and ignorance.

I don't know man I've made alot of my money doing pc I almost always turn a profit at the end unless im fighting really hard against corps like ERA or nyain san but you do have point alot ppl get rich as fuk being pubstars hell even I gotta admit I make bank running pubs but I think in total I've made far more doing pc thats just my 2 cents tho

Yeah sure, thats why every person who has complained about NS stomps can recall the timeframe being during NA primetime. I myself can.

Youd want me to believe that after all the rage ive read about them on these forums, that in reality, no one ever saw a NS player cause they are only on during Tokyo primetime? Please. You can do better. It is exactly as ive stated it is. They put the timers to a time no one will be on, and stay up to farm during NA primetime.

As for Legion, good luck with that. CCP had to essentially scrap a whole project and start over completely because of the albatross you and your corp hung on this games neck. Im sure they are eagerly looking forward to you hurting player retention on that game too.



i have a screenshot of a Q-synced NS/NC Ambush game. Taken during NA primetime several months back.


You know, half is 50%. 51% is a majority. So if i can come up with another 1% of fact, that will put me in the majority right side. Being wrong by 1% is pretty good by my standards.

Since we are trying though to make sure an accurate narrative is established, why dont you tell us about your time in DNS. The smaller corps you crushed to make way for your doughnut. All that collaboration and no fighting. The fact that AE got so bored they were here on the forums offering to q-sync FW as a pseudo PC match. They clearly were hungry for fights, but didn't want to risk their Obamacare districts.

You go on and on about how much you care about PC. What happened to What The French? You guys ganged up on them and forced out the longest standing PC corp just so you could have bragging rights.

Doesnt really sound like someone who really cares about PC. Rather, you seem to be motivated by a sense of entitlement and delusions of benevolence.

I said most active, not completely off, you do not understand the concept of timers or sleep apparently...the majority of their people and leadership get on after DT and it's when they are the most organized and awake. People in the corp from the EU and NA (like myself) or SA play on other timers or all over the place like other corps who have multinational members, if you see multiple NS members on the NA primetimes that does not mean they are all Japanese. You are as ignorant as the people who send me mail in Japanese when I do not even speak the language. Look, your corp bottomed out last year soon before PC and soon after it don't take it out on people you have no relevance to.

Coming from you? Haha

So very true!

I said most active, not completely off, you do not understand the concept of timers or sleep apparently...the majority of their people and leadership get on after DT and it's when they are the most organized and awake. People in the corp from the EU and NA (like myself) or SA play on other timers or all over the place like other corps who have multinational members, if you see multiple NS members on the NA primetimes that does not mean they are all Japanese. You are as ignorant as the people who send me mail in Japanese when I do not even speak the language. Look, your corp bottomed out last year soon before PC and soon after it don't take it out on people you have no relevance to.

It's funny the people who says it's not broken there all the people who own most of it

Problem with your assumptions is they are freaking terrible and sad.

The ONLY place in DUST you got good fights was PC.

16 mercenaries organized, focused on a singular goal and executing strategies to impose their will on the match.

Pubs are a freaking clown cars full of any moron you can fit in.

PC is supposed to be the End game for DUST... The whole reason to play DUST past a couple Pub matches.

Instead we get a bunch of you people who don't understand that the average PC player even in the HEIGHT of farming PC was BROKE.

Yes the Average PC player is BROKE. WAS BROKE, And has ALWAYS been BROKE. even in the height of District locking.

This is fact..... Get your head around it.

The ONLY people who got rich are people who where ALREADY running full time proto-type at a Profit. The PC ISK just added to the Hundreds of millions they had sitting there for 3-4 months.


The ISK Generated in PC at MAX POTENTIAL.. Meaning no attacks in all of Molden Heath. No Clone losses what so ever... Doesnt Even add up to the ISK generated everyday by players Creating a new character and transferring the 250k off to their main, deleting character and doing it again for 4 accounts per day.

Those are the PUB stars in Pub's running proto all day and not caring about the losses.

Ask Duna how many PC's he needed to do to afford endless tanks?

The mere connection between PC and being well off in DUST is a SAD JOKE, and completely comes from Fear, hate and ignorance.

Nyan San = Chinese Gold Farmers.

So why the complaints about no ISK in PC now? Why the district locking? Why the donuts if the ISK didn't matter?

Lol just wow.

If a game doesn't construct a proper End game with motivational reasons it will not keep activity in the game. That is just fact.

District locking was started by none of the people you think started it. The corporations you look at for district locking didn't need to.. Other people started and you would of been a fool or trying to make up "Internet Honor" to not do something CCP said as fine and their error. .

Instead we got a knee jerk reaction from people who have never been part of it to instantly remove it because these guys are farming ISK then killing you in public matches and that is no fair. sadface. Fck the big picture it's all about Pub's right? lol

CCP slowly started killing off the end game and growth of DUST for veteran players.. they started leaving and finding new homes like would happen inevitably if there was little to no focus placed on the End game for over a year. And now the few left from those groups of players from back then have all consolidated under the few active corporations left..

The biggest problem with a new corporation getting into PC, is there is no where in DUST that teaches you how to play as 16 mercenaries trying to win the match. Pub's are a joke... FW are a joke... and when you jump into PC your facing people who have played that game mode for over a year.. and rarely play Pubs(If they played pubs for a year they would of quit)

That is the problem with PC... We need a Team deploy mode that you can deploy 16 mercenaries for a fun educational match against another 16. Without having to pay for a clone pack to learn.

I won't name Mercs or corporations, but I recently had a terrible PC experience.

I was invited to a pc against a certain big name corporation with many resources and influence. In the warbarge the player who invited me informed me that it was a "distraction match" then the team dropped down to 4 players.

Im nobody's ******* cannon fodder.

Im not here to stroke some pimple faced crumb covered greasy haired computer geek's epeen.

Many of the people in this community should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for the state they put this game in.

You want to blame CCP, but CCP did not proto stomp every new player to this game for over a year.

CCP did not exploit bugs and game mechanics then try to excuse themselves by saying "win by any means possible even cheating"

CCP did not farm multiple billions upon multiple billions of ISK from PC.

Legion is most likely a direct result of this game's subpar numbers, which are a result of a completely egotistical, self-entitled, utterly broken portion of this community.

Since I've come back after being gone for six months, I have been boosted on, told to "stand in front and soak up bullets" while not repping my 900 armor, but shooting back scoring kills at my expense. Then when I didn't cooperate I got booted from squad (lmmfao) now this PC "distraction match".

People need to grow up.

EDIT: Oh and anyone who has the balls to speak out against this is Ostracized and blacklisted.

You like live in some kind of alternative reality in your head or something. You keep going on and on about "internet honor".

Take a second to smack your head on your desk viciously a few times till you get that idea out of your head. Good. Now listen carefully. Its not about "honor", its about growth. If you uproot a plant before it bears fruit, you wont get your yeild. It has nothing to do with "honor".

Here, follow along..... Bigger player base = expanded revenue = more CCP resources for development = end game gets developed.

Now, follow along the way that you "vets" have done things so far: Hurt player base size = less revenue = less CCP resources for development = end game cancelled.

Again, its not about "honor". You guys essentially cut a tree down before it could bear fruit. You can call that whatever you want, its just simple fact that you stunted growth at a critical time, so now it will never grow again.

No player in any game is supposed to self nerf themselves while they play... the mere notion is sad.

Complaining about squads when CCP let squads of 6 and the matchmaking system is SAD.

The fact that you don't realize CCP has had 60 employees with a multi-million budget for this game and you seem to blame the players for it?
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Our job as players is to play the game to the best of our ability. Not to self impose YOUR made up rules about how to play DUST.

DUST has a turn over rate of population at like 80%.. meaning 80% of the entire DUST population recycles each month. and 80% quit. It's the highest turn over rate in the industry. there are articles written on it.

And vet Corps? QCGold is older then a majority of Corporations you cal vet. LordChaos and a couple of my friends tried to make QCGold relevant in PC.. But because of massive leadership deficiencies they had to go make their own corporation.

QCgold is understandably bitter about PC. But it's wasn't player skill that limited them.

This comes down to CCP. all the blame lies with them, and the fact that you are trying to blame players for playing the game... Not how you want them to play it.

Proves to everyone how bitter, shortsighted and misguided your blame really is.

I personally felt that the changes were too heavy handed. Yes, PC was making too much ISK - that's almost unanimous - but I don't think we should have removed the incentive altogether. You should still get SOMETHING from owning districts and I think that trying to force players to have 'good fights' for ISK is an entirely artificial conflict driver. We want fights, we want wars, but not because we have to have them to make use out of our territories.

Assuming that districts will never generate ISK again, what are some (sane) ways we can give incentive to having districts outside of the current reasoning?

At least your consistently "special"

Oh btw I saw a Bat flying around in the day. Must mean they really are active in the day time and everyone is lying to us.

I'll try and help you understand this concept as you still haven't grasped it. Tiered gear has been practiced in games since the beginning of the idea of character progression. The mere assumption and COMPLETE utter confidence that you have... to say proto-type gear killed this game is about as stupid as these forums get.

And just is funny.. It's like an argument coming from a 13 yr old about how the world isn't fair. It really has that much merit.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about the lack of competition in this game--via protostomping--and how an elite, veteran subset of the population does everything in their power to maintain this imbalance, but we need to blame CCP where blame is due.

CCP imposed a "skill" system whose very nature guarantees that new players will be at a sever disadvantage for quite a while, and their version of pay-to-win is really more like pay-to-lose-less-sooner.

CCP never improved the NPE.

CCP was aware of the PC ISK farming for many months and waited an arbitrary amount of time to address the issue. They certainly had metrics to determine the main alliances/corps/players represented in PC, along with the effect these players were having in pubs.

CCP insisted on a snail's pace development cycle, using the Dust community's contributions to create a new IP, instead of actively and consistently engaging their community day-to-day to improve Dust and see it through its "10 year plan", versus making big promises and talking themselves up at marketing events (eg, Fan Fest and E3).

CCP is as backwards in their approach to developing Dust as the PC stompers are to actually playing the game.

If you think us getting isk is the problem then you're wrong. What happens when a new corp gets into PC? You move your clones to attack another district then lose yours in the process then you're back to pubs to grind another clone pack cuz the district you held generated you no isk. Honestly we don't need PC for isk so it doesn't bother me either way it's just sad that people disagree with a problem just because of our tags.

True, CCP were not able to anticipate and prevent many of the abuses perpetrated by members of this community. Remember, however that as far as FPS and console is concerned CCP is an infant gaming company, who asked this community for help in developing the game for us all to enjoy.

CCP, to their own detriment, gave us the power to help guide DUST development.

What did this community do with that opportunity?

They took ever opportunity to cheat in order to pad their stats.

Sure DUST didn't have the best matchmaking system, and often times Vet players and corps found themselves in matches against new or less experienced players.

And Sure, communication was never that great in the beginning.

However, we do not know what sort of internal struggles CCP had been experiencing during this time. We do know there was things happening internally, though, as evidenced by some major staff changes which occurred throughout this time period.

It was, however the sole choice of the players to abuse this system for months on end while CCP Developers struggled to keep up with players. It was the players' choice to Proto Q-Sync stomp on a bunch of noobs. CCP never made anyone kill that MLT suit with that Proto Weapon.

CCP Never forced anyone to q into Ambush, call in a blaster Madrugar and ROTFLSTOMP ever motherloving thing in site.

CCP never forced anyone to abuse the WP system for personal gain.

Did CCP Make the system? Sure

CCP always told us "we create the tools, and let you players do with them what you will"

Well, what we have now is a direct result of what the players did with the tools CCP gave them.

How easy could it have been to just say to ourselves "This is going to ruin the game, we should see about getting it fixed, and be sure not to abuse the (insert broken mechanic/glitch) to the detriment of the game.

I all but begged this community to exercise just a fraction of concious when it comes down to matters such as these. Do you know what I was told...

Welcome to New Eden

HTFU.

Now everyone wanna cry cause the game is unpopulated and PC is devoid of life.

Well, Welcome to New Eden, where your decisions have consequences.

HTFU.

Hell might as well toss NFsounds and some of the Other Asian Corps some land for friendly matches

the ability to generate and sell clones to other corps might be good.

also a garaunteed isk pay out win or lose to the district owners with a higher payout if won.


would also be nice for a corp to use their districts for exhibition matches within corp.

True, CCP were not able to anticipate and prevent many of the abuses perpetrated by members of this community. Remember, however that as far as FPS and console is concerned CCP is an infant gaming company, who asked this community for help in developing the game for us all to enjoy.

CCP, to their own detriment, gave us the power to help guide DUST development.

What did this community do with that opportunity?

They took ever opportunity to cheat in order to pad their stats.

Sure DUST didn't have the best matchmaking system, and often times Vet players and corps found themselves in matches against new or less experienced players.

And Sure, communication was never that great in the beginning.

However, we do not know what sort of internal struggles CCP had been experiencing during this time. We do know there was things happening internally, though, as evidenced by some major staff changes which occurred throughout this time period.

It was, however the sole choice of the players to abuse this system for months on end while CCP Developers struggled to keep up with players. It was the players' choice to Proto Q-Sync stomp on a bunch of noobs. CCP never made anyone kill that MLT suit with that Proto Weapon.

CCP Never forced anyone to q into Ambush, call in a blaster Madrugar and ROTFLSTOMP ever motherloving thing in site.

CCP never forced anyone to abuse the WP system for personal gain.

Did CCP Make the system? Sure

CCP always told us "we create the tools, and let you players do with them what you will"

Well, what we have now is a direct result of what the players did with the tools CCP gave them.

How easy could it have been to just say to ourselves "This is going to ruin the game, we should see about getting it fixed, and be sure not to abuse the (insert broken mechanic/glitch) to the detriment of the game.

I all but begged this community to exercise just a fraction of concious when it comes down to matters such as these. Do you know what I was told...

Welcome to New Eden

HTFU.

Now everyone wanna cry cause the game is unpopulated and PC is devoid of life.

Well, Welcome to New Eden, where your decisions have consequences.

HTFU.

This game didn't fail because of players running proto-type gear in public matches.


It failed Because of CCP

Anyone here since beta knows this.

CCP Checked out of DUST almost immediately after the huge fail when they launched Uprising. Their executive producer quit and the entire direction of the IP was up in the air.

If you think CCP Shanghai has EVER placed full attention on DUST 514 in the last 8 months your really lost.

CCP promotes their New Eden Universe... And if you don't understand how meta gaming and New Eden works in EVE.. And are trying to talk about "Fair" and "Honor" or use their "Conscience" when they are playing a CCP game or a FPS game for that matter....

Pathetic.

Beth, bless your soul for trying to speak to these GD scrubs. All they see is what they get, which is owned constantly. So you can't expect them to understand anything beyond there scope of view. And it's not there fault, and it's simply because of what you underlined earlier, CCP is to blame 100%.

Blaming people for playing a system that literally makes this game what it is is absurd. Do people enjoy pubs so much they can't be bothered to get good enough for PC?

It's your own damn fault for not getting involved, if we're passing blame around. No one abused or exploited anything in game to give them an edge - they used the same mechanics available to you, which you didn't or couldn't at the same effectiveness.

The only people who have the right to complain are the new guys who were never given the opportunity to get rich. Everyone else - you did this to yourself.

There you go to get rich... To what end? So that we can protostomp as well? The only people who agree with you are the people who joined you.

There you go to get rich... To what end? So that we can protostomp as well? The only people who agree with you are the people who joined you.

CCP promotes their New Eden Universe... And if you don't understand how meta gaming and New Eden works in EVE.. And are trying to talk about "Fair" and "Honor" or use their "Conscience" when they are playing a CCP game or a FPS game for that matter....

Pathetic.

So, when I got Melee killed in 1.7 While wearing my over 1300 HP Amarr Heavy Basic Frame Poto...that was legit.

Or, wait, I guess I could have used the Melee glitch myself.

Then again, I'm not a cheating scrub.

Welcome to New Eden.

There is a whole entire world of difference between meta gaming and cheating.

Corporate Espionage = Meta Gaming

CPM Elections = Meta Gaming

Sabatoge = Meta Gaming

You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple.

See I can use bold and underline too.

So, when I got Melee killed in 1.7 While wearing my over 1300 HP Amarr Heavy Basic Frame Poto...that was legit.

Or, wait, I guess I could have used the Melee glitch myself.

Then again, I'm not a cheating scrub.

Welcome to New Eden.

There is a whole entire world of difference between meta gaming and cheating.

Corporate Espionage = Meta Gaming

CPM Elections = Meta Gaming

Sabatoge = Meta Gaming

You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple.

See I can use bold and underline too.

So, when I got Melee killed in 1.7 While wearing my over 1300 HP Amarr Heavy Basic Frame Poto...that was legit.

Or, wait, I guess I could have used the Melee glitch myself.

Then again, I'm not a cheating scrub.

Welcome to New Eden.

There is a whole entire world of difference between meta gaming and cheating.

Corporate Espionage = Meta Gaming

CPM Elections = Meta Gaming

Sabatoge = Meta Gaming

You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple.

See I can use bold and underline too.

Name 1 time NS has exploited? That's what these people have been saying so let's hear it. I know which corps exploited and which did not.

And it's not there fault, and it's simply because of what you underlined earlier, CCP is to blame 100%.

Blaming people for playing a system that literally makes this game what it is is absurd.

toxic

Seriously though u where the guy defending the forge gun blast radius for like 2 months making endless posts.... You really have such a narrow view on DUST.

Thats like saying its the planets fault for not absorbing an oil spill when it happens. Its just ironic that you blame CCP for giving you guys the benefit of the doubt instead of forseeing just how rotten some of the player base would be.

Maybe for legion, they should just assume that the vet tryhard community will be scum, and just make tons and tons of rules so that we have no freedom and everything has to be done on a linear path with no choice. Nevermind meta game, everything will be tightly controlled and regulated so that you dont destroy their investment a 2nd time.

Since instead of blaming the vandal, we are blaming the property for having the ability to get vandalized.




You should do like the rest of your corp and pack it up and leave. Since you are so unhappy here, and obviously destined for internet greatness, why dont you take your toxic attitude and go pollute a different community with it.

We will replace you with someone who is capable of making a positive contribution.

But the difference between you and me? You blame the modded controller user for using a modded controller. I Blame CCP.

I was defending the FG blast radius because there was never a problem with the FG blast radius until tower camping with a FG became a thing.

Then and only then was the FG a big huge deal that needed to be beat down with a nerf bat.

Notice here that the way players were using the FG is what got the FG nerfed.

Prime example of what I'm talking about.

The melee *thing* was more than exceptional talent + a well fit suit. It was a damn glitch or an exploit, stop being dense. When I was melee'd 4 or 5 times within a quarter of a second, there is cheating going on. I know how fast the L3 button can be pressed. Granted I can't say for certain how it was done whether a glitch or modded controller or what, but it is cheating regardless.

Just like the Turbo Controller Tac AR

Or circumventing the AR's Kick mechanic by using a turbo controller.

Or the new one I've seen recently with the Vehicle Small Rail Turrets. Some scrub found a way to make those fire rapidly negating nearly any charge time. I literally thought I was being shot with a rail rifle, but it was a small rail turret. SMH!

Fact is, we have all done something that most likely contributed to the state DUST is in now.

I can man up and accept responsibility for anything I may have done, can you?

Like I said before, CCP is in it's infancy when it comes to FPS and console gaming. The DUST community, obviously was not, seeing as they were able to quickly find and exploit any flaw in CCPs game design.

But you blame CCP and their ignorance of FPS and console gaming for this.

lol You should be a politician.

or a lawyer

You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple.

See I can use bold and underline too.

Seriously? you can't be that dense.

Your apologizing for a company that had over 60 active employee' working on DUST for 5 years(70 now). with a Multi million dollar budget.

Some of the best most passionate talent in the game development field.

With a direct deal with Sony allowing for continuous client side updates for a reduced cost from even tripple A developers.


And putting all the blame on a player playing the game.

Seriously? you can't be that dense.

I think we're you're loosing me is the fact that the "glitches and poorly designed game mechanics" are the fault of CCP. Hence, CCP is responsible for facilitating cheating via their laziness or, at best, inability to get the job done.

So, to deny their central, key role in the fizzling out of Dust is willful ignorance.

It's like saying the federal government had nothing to do with the economy collapsing in 2008. Sure, they write the rules and are supposed to enforce them, but let's not hold them accountable when bankers sh!t all over everybody by exploiting loopholes in said rules. Heaven forbid we expect the designers of the system to, you know, design it better.

coming from a player in a corp that has one of the worst community reputations in the game? how naive and ignorant you are.

I never said CCP wasn't at fault for designing a fallible game. I simply stated that the players had a choice to exploit the flawed design when they could have chosen not to.

Your anecdote is interesting, but doesn't necessarily apply. In the case of Politicians/Bankers: In the U.S., because anyone is able to submit a bill to congress, The banksters fund think tanks, which create these bills. Then the banksters fund the special interest groups which lobby our legislatures to sign these bills into law which benefit them.

This would be equivalent to the smallest, wealthies portion of the playerbase having control over the development of DUST, with CCP simply there to place their stamp of approval on whatever lands on their desk, maybe tossing the idea around the office beforehand just to make it look legit.

XD What are you smoking and where's your dispensary?!?!

"Anyone is able to submit a bill to congress" [sic] ROFLOLOLOLOLOL!!! Yeah, for sure, that's why you see so many people doing it. Because anyone can (ie, this isn't something that requires resources or connections) and it's hella effective anyway.

Your example is spot-on: the smallest, wealthiest portions of the playerbase are chummy with CCP. The CPM? Flunky lobbyists. DNS and similar, with connections to EVE powerblocks that themselves are in bed with CCP? The same.

I feel like this clip pretty much sums up the entire situation. I'll let you decide which characters correspond to which sides of this debate.

You want to talk density? Since you know everything in the world, i would have though you would understand some basic economics. Obviously not.

Lets run some numbers up, shall we?


Alright, so 60 employees, a "multi million dollar budget", and 5 years?

The average salary for designers, coders and artists on the low end is 60,000 a year. At the high end its about 90,000. So 60 employees x 60,000 = 3.6 million a year just in salaries. Times 5? Thats 18 million dollars. And thats lowballing it.

Now, since money doesn't grow on trees, and cause unlike you, CCPs parents dont pay everything for them, they have to make that money back. Its called investing. Thats where someone spends some capital in hopes of making more than they spent back over a period of time.

How do you want them to make 18 million dollars back on a game that averages 4,000 people online during its peak periods? Dont forget, that 18 million is just a low estimate on salary costs. Theres alot of overhead that is not being calculated. Things like electric bills, R&D costs, bandwidth costs, ect. These "multi millions" add up and disappear pretty fast.

Now, instead of developing and progressing the game, those people have had to constantly dedicate their efforts to cleaning up messes left by the folks like you with a massive entitlement complex. You break something, they have to stop what they are doing and fix it. You cant just have 1 person go and fix something, it is a collaborative team effort.

According to you, you should have the right to chase away their revenue stream, have efforts dedicated to babysitting you, and develop an "end game" so that you can feel like you've accomplished something. WOW. "im a player I have the right to break everything. its their fault for making something breakable in the first place".

It goes without saying that you have never worked a day in your life and have no concept of the value of money.

Do you get it now? You choked off their source of revenue. Demanded extra resources, and then complained that they couldn't find even more resources to cater to your dreams. Their resources and funding are finite. Thats why they are coming out with Legion. Dust will never make back its investment cause you and your friends made sure there wouldn't be enough players to fund the project.

Coming from Void Echo? Compliment accepted.


Our accomplishments and willingness to teach and fight as the under dogs is well noted. Make up whatever makes you happy.

Dude... again dense.

CCP is an Icelandic company.. They have to post their earnings publicly.. Go check. DUST has been in the green for a long time.. Even with developing Legion for the last 8 months+

They have been in the green for a long time.. Not to mention you have no idea what your talking about for DUST's population, everything you said about it is repeating the exact same people that have been proven wrong on countless occasions on these very forums which you then repeat.


CCP had an entire studio shut down in Atlanta that was developing an IP they actually bought.. WoD... for what 8 years? There is your project that was running without any funding..

Wanna know the reason CCP had to launch the game out of beta so quick? Class action lawsuit. DUST 514 was in Beta in full Micro-transaction mode. The problem with this? It's actually illegal in several countries.

So CCP had to launch Uprising, AND THEN, reimburse everyone for the Aurum purchases they made for every booster and item. Only a couple Static BPO Aurum items where legal to transfer sale from beta to a finished product.

Again your trying to excuse their mistakes like it was all the players fault for playing the game. and actually paying for it.

Chromosome had 15k player peaks. Uprising launched we didn't even break 10k players.

This wasn't the players that where running proto-type. This wasn't Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz and Imperfects, ImpSwarm etc.. stomping everyone with their proto suits that chased players away. That is what made me log in every day and attempt to cap... To compete and get on their level. That is what made me buy boosters and actually make me think about investing serious recreational time into the product.

The pub scrubs will never understand our strife.

Why is life being compared to Dust? Want to make another comparison?

Let's say your the third princess to a kingdom whose ruler died, now the heirs are at civil war. Do you do what it takes to win, or do you do what it takes to play fair?

You can take any life situation and make it sound like it has relevance here, but it doesn't. The fact is you cannot give players the opportunity to use something then get mad at them for doing it, it's completely absurd. If it wasn't supposed to be used CCP would of stated it as 'exploit' where the contract you okayed when you first made your toon kicks in and has that exploiter dealt with.

Problem is, for something to be called an exploit here CCP needs to state it is so, and never have concerning PC. So look at them with disgust for handing players a way to easily farm.

I never said any particular person or corp was doing any particular thing.

This wasn't the players that where running proto-type. This wasn't Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz and Imperfects, ImpSwarm etc.. stomping everyone with their proto suits that chased players away. That is what made me log in every day and attempt to cap... To compete and get on their level. That is what made me buy boosters and actually make me think about investing serious recreational time into the product.

Sorry quoted you and summarized what people keep saying.

Why is life being compared to Dust? Want to make another comparison?

Let's say your the third princess to a kingdom whose ruler died, now the heirs are at civil war. Do you do what it takes to win, or do you do what it takes to play fair?

You can take any life situation and make it sound like it has relevance here, but it doesn't. The fact is you cannot give players the opportunity to use something then get mad at them for doing it, it's completely absurd. If it wasn't supposed to be used CCP would of stated it as 'exploit' where the contract you okayed when you first made your toon kicks in and has that exploiter dealt with.

Problem is, for something to be called an exploit here CCP needs to state it is so, and never have concerning PC. So look at them with disgust for handing players a way to easily farm.

I have a small problem with people who took advantage of the mechanics even when it became clear it was killing the game, but I agree the responsibility fell on CCP to fix it. I have a much bigger issue with those who are complaining about the changes and pining for the good old days when it was completely broken and they were the ones breaking it.

^ This attitude is the problem. Ive been in more pcs than this dude, am a better player that smokes him regularly anytime we meet, and yet he refers to the majority of the community as pub scrubs. Meanwhile hes ina corp that was told after they SURRENDERED all of their districts to DNS, joined DNS. lmao at FA, then if it wasnt bad enough they told them they could only be in their doughnut as long as they agreed not to own anymore districts.... lolz But thats how bad they want to be part of the group. Dude Frost, Zatara, Voltron, several others tried to get me to join you, I flat refused. I have always refused big corps and mainly always fought against you in pc because you are bad for this game and I will not shut up about it, so keep your filth coming.

But yet you won't disclose your main, why?

Its banned so technically Im not supposed to be here.

I've been banned and have had my main's character name in my alt's sig and the mods have done nothing.

Give us your secret identity.

No need, you can believe me or not. Truth resonates with those who wish to hear it.

And with that, you've lost all credibility, as if you had any to begin with anyway.

Lolz, didnt know you gave out the credit? So that makes anything I said not true? Coming from FA thats great. Not revealing my main, get over it. And while you are getting over it notice how most of this community agrees with the guy with no credibility.

You act as though getting this 'Community' to agree with you is a hard thing to do. This community still plays a game that was revealed to be nothing but a Beta for something bigger on an entirely different platform.

Its not hard to get this community to like what you say.

You act as though getting this 'Community' to agree with you is a hard thing to do. This community still plays a game that was revealed to be nothing but a Beta for something bigger on an entirely different platform.

Its not hard to get this community to like what you say.

IMO - just give the losing side ISK and keep things the way they are. That pretty much fixes everything, the problem right now is PC is an ISK sink, especially to newer corps who can't win. But if losing gained them some small amount of ISK it would give them incentive to keep trying and get good enough to get the real ISK for winning.

Judging by your sig, I'm guessing you no longer play Dust, so I have to ask that important question. Why are you still here in the Dust forums? Perhaps you're not as free as you thought? This game still has a hold on you, the chains still bind! You will never be free until you are dead and your bones are nothing but ash!

Seriously though, break the rest of the addiction, go play other games, find other forums. >.>

You're completely wrong actually, my ban was only recently lifted hence the "I'm free" sig.

... point still stands! Break the chains! D:

No other forums I have visited give the entertainment and tears that these ones do though.

You just can't get this sort of butthurt anywhere else.

The best part is how many of you will not be moving to PC and Legion. Or have already quit and bio massed, best thing that could have happened to Dust.

Lmao, nobodys going to Legion. The people who left were the lifeblood of the game, though a very small amount still remain here (lord knows why). Legion is the same as the original Dust vision- a seemingly good idea that nobody actually working on the game has any idea how to make happen. To all the vets who witnessed fanfest, shame on you for letting these stupid noobs have a glimmer of hope. Maybe seeing what happened to us happen to these new sad excuses for New Eden clones will provide you some form of closure. Or entertainment.

This is just ******* ridiculous.....

Both sides of the argument are to blame.

Corporations aren't to blame, a corporation is just an official name or group of players with the same goal for something that do what they wish to do. When you look at a roster of every player of a game, you see the players names first, why? because they are playing, NOT the corporation.

I know that some of you are going to accuse me of trying to defend Nyain San, Ancient Exiles, DNS and so on.... but im not, im only stating the fact that a Corporation is only an organized group of players with the same goals as each other.

The players in the corporations are 1/3 of the blame. they continued to stomp new players out of the game, thus nearly killing off the playerbase. is it just a coincidence that since most of the major players and corporations left dust, we have had a spike in the number of players trying out the game and actually staying? hell to the no its not a coincidence. PC NEVER had any involvement in the real downfall of Dust 514, I know this because 98% of the playerbase don't even think about PC, there too focused on trying to enjoy their PUB match experience to even give a **** about PC. And one other thing about those in this paragraph, you may say that "We were just attempting to reach the maximum potential that we could as a private community within this online game." and "Oh its not our fault that CCP put this here, were just using it in a way that benefits us." or "We never tried to drive off the community, we just wanted to have good matches and that meant we bring our best against people who have nothing compared to us, see look how big our epeens are!!!" fact of the matter is, you guys all exploited loopholes in the design of the game and that lead to the deterioration of the player base thus making you bored of this game. You basically like an over hungry creature who is constantly killing at eating its one source of food on a planet and when that source is all gone, you wonder to yourselves "Where'd everyone go?" and you die off because you over exhausted your own recourse and your in complete denial because "We can do no wrong for we once stopped it before, therefore we are immune to being blamed"..

The players complaining about the giant names are 1/3 of the blame. They continued to complain and complain about how its unfair that "PC Players" have an unfair advantage in pubs because they can afford to go proto 24 hours a day and that they are killing off the playerbase because they aren't giving the new players a chance to grow. Yet they did nothing about it, sure they organized a few PC matches in an attempt to stop these players from being able to farm ISK but that didn't do ****. What they should have done was play pub matches and attempt to counter stomp the proto stompers and take the new players on and teach them in a constructive and non-cannibalistic manner how to survive in this game. Instead they continued to complain that nothing was being done when it was their responsibility to stop this from happening because they were complaining about it.

CCP is 1/3 of the blame. They made a game called Dust 514 and made it similar to eve online but had a severely incomplete game design and system pattern, they made this game as an unborn child still in the womb who isn't getting any nutrient to grow because the mother is a drunked idiot who doesn't give a crap. They asked for player feedback for months and all the advice they said they took on, they did the exact opposite of what we were conveying. Instead of making the Academy last longer so players can get a good feel of what to do in order to survive and compete, they shortened the academy to where after a single match or 2 day one players are put up against day 3000 players and are instantly turned off by the lack of protection and consideration for them that they delete dust and never return to it again. when we were telling them to increase the time subject A, they terminated subject A instead and that resulted in another player drop. CCP has done nothing to save this game since it was created, they only made it worse and are to share 1/3 of the blame for its failure.

fact of the matter is that PC has had very little to do with the beating heart of Dust 514, PUB matches being single sided is what killed this game, and CCP not attempting to fix the loopholes seriously is what accelerated the burial.

I must admit that I am part to blame as well, I have always wanted to be a well known player who everyone has heard about and feared when they were on the enemy team but loved me when I was on their team. I wanted my name to be one of those that people say when they are asked "Who do you think is one of the best players of dust?" and I strived for that through tanking. BUT I never considered what I was doing to the new players who had nothing compared to me, and for a while I didn't care to think about it.... but lately I realize that I am part to blame as well for my treatment of new players. I wanted my name to be up their in the Dust 514 all time top players and I still do, but I wont do it at the cost of killing this game because of my gigantic ego.

Human nature also..

human nature doesn't really have anything to do with this. its more of an entitlement and a false belief that they are immune the backlashes of their actions because they have idiots following them ready to defend them.

LOL soooooo...human nature you say, in so many words.

Speak for yourself. Im a 60mil sp player. Ill be going to Legion, you can do what you want. As for these so called vets them leaving was the greatest part of fanfests outcome imo. Especially since so many were locked in the doughnut, thinking they were holding ccp ransom and going to get their way. You got it all right. Lolz....

Legion is just going to be the same thing as DUST anyway, but with trees!

PC is dead?

Could have fooled me. We're playing matches virtually every night. Lots of fun being had, and isk to be made by the soldiers when you win...instead of passively when sitting on your hands.