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Master Jaraiya
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.07 00:20:00 -
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I won't name Mercs or corporations, but I recently had a terrible PC experience.
I was invited to a pc against a certain big name corporation with many resources and influence. In the warbarge the player who invited me informed me that it was a "distraction match" then the team dropped down to 4 players.
Im nobody's ******* cannon fodder.
Im not here to stroke some pimple faced crumb covered greasy haired computer geek's epeen.
Many of the people in this community should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for the state they put this game in.
You want to blame CCP, but CCP did not proto stomp every new player to this game for over a year.
CCP did not exploit bugs and game mechanics then try to excuse themselves by saying "win by any means possible even cheating"
CCP did not farm multiple billions upon multiple billions of ISK from PC.
Legion is most likely a direct result of this game's subpar numbers, which are a result of a completely egotistical, self-entitled, utterly broken portion of this community.
Since I've come back after being gone for six months, I have been boosted on, told to "stand in front and soak up bullets" while not repping my 900 armor, but shooting back scoring kills at my expense. Then when I didn't cooperate I got booted from squad (lmmfao) now this PC "distraction match".
People need to grow up.
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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Master Jaraiya
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
1472
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Posted - 2014.07.07 20:34:00 -
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CRNWLLC wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with you about the lack of competition in this game--via protostomping--and how an elite, veteran subset of the population does everything in their power to maintain this imbalance, but we need to blame CCP where blame is due.
CCP imposed a "skill" system whose very nature guarantees that new players will be at a sever disadvantage for quite a while, and their version of pay-to-win is really more like pay-to-lose-less-sooner.
CCP never improved the NPE.
CCP was aware of the PC ISK farming for many months and waited an arbitrary amount of time to address the issue. They certainly had metrics to determine the main alliances/corps/players represented in PC, along with the effect these players were having in pubs.
CCP insisted on a snail's pace development cycle, using the Dust community's contributions to create a new IP, instead of actively and consistently engaging their community day-to-day to improve Dust and see it through its "10 year plan", versus making big promises and talking themselves up at marketing events (eg, Fan Fest and E3).
CCP is as backwards in their approach to developing Dust as the PC stompers are to actually playing the game.
True, CCP were not able to anticipate and prevent many of the abuses perpetrated by members of this community. Remember, however that as far as FPS and console is concerned CCP is an infant gaming company, who asked this community for help in developing the game for us all to enjoy.
CCP, to their own detriment, gave us the power to help guide DUST development.
What did this community do with that opportunity?
They took ever opportunity to cheat in order to pad their stats.
Sure DUST didn't have the best matchmaking system, and often times Vet players and corps found themselves in matches against new or less experienced players.
It was, however their sole choice to abuse this system. It was their choice to Proto Q-Sync stomp on a bunch of noobs. CCP never made anyone kill that MLT suit with that Proto Weapon.
Did CCP Make the system? Sure
CCP always told us "we create the tools, and let you players do with them what you will"
Well, what we have now is a direct result of what the players did with the tools CCP gave them.
How easy could it have been to just say to ourselves "This is going to ruin the game, we should see about getting it fixed, and be sure not to abuse the (insert broken mechanic/glitch) to the detriment of the game.
I all but begged this community to exercise just a fraction of concious when it comes down to matters such as these, and you know what I was told...
Welcome to New Eden
HTFU.
Now everyone wanna cry cause the game is unpopulated and PC is devoid of life.
Well, Welcome to New Eden
HTFU.
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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Master Jaraiya
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1477
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:15:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:
CCP promotes their New Eden Universe... And if you don't understand how meta gaming and New Eden works in EVE.. And are trying to talk about "Fair" and "Honor" or use their "Conscience" when they are playing a CCP game or a FPS game for that matter....
Pathetic.
So, when I got Melee killed in 1.7 While wearing my over 1300 HP Amarr Heavy Basic Frame Poto...that was legit.
Or, wait, I guess I could have used the Melee glitch myself.
Then again, I'm not a cheating scrub.
Welcome to New Eden. 
There is a whole entire world of difference between meta gaming and cheating.
Corporate Espionage = Meta Gaming
CPM Elections = Meta Gaming
Sabatoge = Meta Gaming
You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple.
See I can use bold and underline too.
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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Master Jaraiya
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1478
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Posted - 2014.07.08 15:18:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Bethhy wrote:
CCP promotes their New Eden Universe... And if you don't understand how meta gaming and New Eden works in EVE.. And are trying to talk about "Fair" and "Honor" or use their "Conscience" when they are playing a CCP game or a FPS game for that matter....
Pathetic.
So, when I got Melee killed in 1.7 While wearing my over 1300 HP Amarr Heavy Basic Frame Poto...that was legit. Or, wait, I guess I could have used the Melee glitch myself. Then again, I'm not a cheating scrub. Welcome to New Eden. There is a whole entire world of difference between meta gaming and cheating. Corporate Espionage = Meta Gaming CPM Elections = Meta Gaming Sabatoge = Meta Gaming You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple. See I can use bold and underline too. Name 1 time NS has exploited? That's what these people have been saying so let's hear it. I know which corps exploited and which did not.
I never said any particular person or corp was doing any particular thing.
The melee *thing* was more than exceptional talent + a well fit suit. It was a damn glitch or an exploit, stop being dense. When I was melee'd 4 or 5 times within a quarter of a second, there is cheating going on. I know how fast the L3 button can be pressed. Granted I can't say for certain how it was done whether a glitch or modded controller or what, but it is cheating regardless.
Just like the Turbo Controller Tac AR
Or circumventing the AR's Kick mechanic by using a turbo controller.
Or the new one I've seen recently with the Vehicle Small Rail Turrets. Some scrub found a way to make those fire rapidly negating nearly any charge time. I literally thought I was being shot with a rail rifle, but it was a small rail turret. SMH!
Fact is, we have all done something that most likely contributed to the state DUST is in now.
I can man up and accept responsibility for anything I may have done, can you?
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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Master Jaraiya
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1478
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Posted - 2014.07.08 15:20:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Seriously though u where the guy defending the forge gun blast radius for like 2 months making endless posts.... You really have such a narrow view on DUST.
I was defending the FG blast radius because there was never a problem with the FG blast radius until tower camping with a FG became a thing.
Then and only then was the FG a big huge deal that needed to be beat down with a derf bat.
Notice here that the way players were using the FG is what got the FG nerfed.
Prime example of what I'm talking about.
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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Master Jaraiya
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1478
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Posted - 2014.07.08 15:45:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:But the difference between you and me? You blame the modded controller user for using a modded controller. I Blame CCP.
Like I said before, CCP is in it's infancy when it comes to FPS and console gaming. The DUST community, obviously was not, seeing as they were able to quickly find and exploit any flaw in CCPs game design.
But you blame CCP and their ignorance of FPS and console gaming for this.
lol You should be a politician.
or a lawyer
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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Master Jaraiya
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1479
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Posted - 2014.07.08 16:57:00 -
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CRNWLLC wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Bethhy wrote:
CCP promotes their New Eden Universe... And if you don't understand how meta gaming and New Eden works in EVE.. And are trying to talk about "Fair" and "Honor" or use their "Conscience" when they are playing a CCP game or a FPS game for that matter....
Pathetic.
You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple. See I can use bold and underline too. I think we're you're loosing me is the fact that the "glitches and poorly designed game mechanics" are the fault of CCP. Hence, CCP is responsible for facilitating cheating via their laziness or, at best, inability to get the job done. So, to deny their central, key role in the fizzling out of Dust is willful ignorance. It's like saying the federal government had nothing to do with the economy collapsing in 2008. Sure, they write the rules and are supposed to enforce them, but let's not hold them accountable when bankers sh!t all over everybody by exploiting loopholes in said rules. Heaven forbid we expect the designers of the system to, you know, design it better.
I never said CCP wasn't at fault for designing a fallible game. I simply stated that the players had a chose to exploit the flawed design when they could have chosen not to.
Your anecdote is interesting, but doesn't necessarily apply. In the case of Politicians/Bankers: In the U.S., because anyone is able to submit a bill to congress, The banksters fund think tanks, which create these bills. Then the banksters fund the special interest groups which lobby our legislatures to sign these bills into law which benefit them.
This would be equivalent to the smallest, wealthies portion of the playerbase having control over the development of DUST, with CCP simply there to place their stamp of approval on whatever lands on their desk, maybe tossing the idea around the office beforehand just to make it look legit.
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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Master Jaraiya
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1479
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Posted - 2014.07.08 17:21:00 -
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CRNWLLC wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:CRNWLLC wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Bethhy wrote:
CCP promotes their New Eden Universe... And if you don't understand how meta gaming and New Eden works in EVE.. And are trying to talk about "Fair" and "Honor" or use their "Conscience" when they are playing a CCP game or a FPS game for that matter....
Pathetic.
You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple. See I can use bold and underline too. I think we're you're loosing me is the fact that the "glitches and poorly designed game mechanics" are the fault of CCP. Hence, CCP is responsible for facilitating cheating via their laziness or, at best, inability to get the job done. So, to deny their central, key role in the fizzling out of Dust is willful ignorance. It's like saying the federal government had nothing to do with the economy collapsing in 2008. Sure, they write the rules and are supposed to enforce them, but let's not hold them accountable when bankers sh!t all over everybody by exploiting loopholes in said rules. Heaven forbid we expect the designers of the system to, you know, design it better. I never said CCP wasn't at fault for designing a fallible game. I simply stated that the players had a choice to exploit the flawed design when they could have chosen not to. Your anecdote is interesting, but doesn't necessarily apply. In the case of Politicians/Bankers: In the U.S., because anyone is able to submit a bill to congress, The banksters fund think tanks, which create these bills. Then the banksters fund the special interest groups which lobby our legislatures to sign these bills into law which benefit them. This would be equivalent to the smallest, wealthies portion of the playerbase having control over the development of DUST, with CCP simply there to place their stamp of approval on whatever lands on their desk, maybe tossing the idea around the office beforehand just to make it look legit. XD What are you smoking and where's your dispensary?!?! "Anyone is able to submit a bill to congress" [sic] ROFLOLOLOLOLOL!!! Yeah, for sure, that's why you see so many people doing it. Because anyone can (ie, this isn't something that requires resources or connections) and it's hella effective anyway. Your example is spot-on: the smallest, wealthiest portions of the playerbase are chummy with CCP. The CPM? Flunky lobbyists. DNS and similar, with connections to EVE powerblocks that themselves are in bed with CCP? The same. I feel like this clip pretty much sums up the entire situation. I'll let you decide which characters correspond to which sides of this debate.
Haha
I didn't say your bill would get very far, but all it requires to submit one is the proper amount of postage. People in this country used to regularly submit bills to state and federal congress, before the system was corrupted by greed.
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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