So, when I got Melee killed in 1.7 While wearing my over 1300 HP Amarr Heavy Basic Frame Poto...that was legit.

Or, wait, I guess I could have used the Melee glitch myself.

Then again, I'm not a cheating scrub.

Welcome to New Eden.

There is a whole entire world of difference between meta gaming and cheating.

Corporate Espionage = Meta Gaming

CPM Elections = Meta Gaming

Sabatoge = Meta Gaming

You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple.

See I can use bold and underline too.

So, when I got Melee killed in 1.7 While wearing my over 1300 HP Amarr Heavy Basic Frame Poto...that was legit.

Or, wait, I guess I could have used the Melee glitch myself.

Then again, I'm not a cheating scrub.

Welcome to New Eden.

There is a whole entire world of difference between meta gaming and cheating.

Corporate Espionage = Meta Gaming

CPM Elections = Meta Gaming

Sabatoge = Meta Gaming

You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple.

See I can use bold and underline too.

So, when I got Melee killed in 1.7 While wearing my over 1300 HP Amarr Heavy Basic Frame Poto...that was legit.

Or, wait, I guess I could have used the Melee glitch myself.

Then again, I'm not a cheating scrub.

Welcome to New Eden.

There is a whole entire world of difference between meta gaming and cheating.

Corporate Espionage = Meta Gaming

CPM Elections = Meta Gaming

Sabatoge = Meta Gaming

You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple.

See I can use bold and underline too.

Name 1 time NS has exploited? That's what these people have been saying so let's hear it. I know which corps exploited and which did not.

And it's not there fault, and it's simply because of what you underlined earlier, CCP is to blame 100%.

Blaming people for playing a system that literally makes this game what it is is absurd.

toxic

Seriously though u where the guy defending the forge gun blast radius for like 2 months making endless posts.... You really have such a narrow view on DUST.

Thats like saying its the planets fault for not absorbing an oil spill when it happens. Its just ironic that you blame CCP for giving you guys the benefit of the doubt instead of forseeing just how rotten some of the player base would be.

Maybe for legion, they should just assume that the vet tryhard community will be scum, and just make tons and tons of rules so that we have no freedom and everything has to be done on a linear path with no choice. Nevermind meta game, everything will be tightly controlled and regulated so that you dont destroy their investment a 2nd time.

Since instead of blaming the vandal, we are blaming the property for having the ability to get vandalized.




You should do like the rest of your corp and pack it up and leave. Since you are so unhappy here, and obviously destined for internet greatness, why dont you take your toxic attitude and go pollute a different community with it.

We will replace you with someone who is capable of making a positive contribution.

But the difference between you and me? You blame the modded controller user for using a modded controller. I Blame CCP.

I was defending the FG blast radius because there was never a problem with the FG blast radius until tower camping with a FG became a thing.

Then and only then was the FG a big huge deal that needed to be beat down with a nerf bat.

Notice here that the way players were using the FG is what got the FG nerfed.

Prime example of what I'm talking about.

The melee *thing* was more than exceptional talent + a well fit suit. It was a damn glitch or an exploit, stop being dense. When I was melee'd 4 or 5 times within a quarter of a second, there is cheating going on. I know how fast the L3 button can be pressed. Granted I can't say for certain how it was done whether a glitch or modded controller or what, but it is cheating regardless.

Just like the Turbo Controller Tac AR

Or circumventing the AR's Kick mechanic by using a turbo controller.

Or the new one I've seen recently with the Vehicle Small Rail Turrets. Some scrub found a way to make those fire rapidly negating nearly any charge time. I literally thought I was being shot with a rail rifle, but it was a small rail turret. SMH!

Fact is, we have all done something that most likely contributed to the state DUST is in now.

I can man up and accept responsibility for anything I may have done, can you?

Like I said before, CCP is in it's infancy when it comes to FPS and console gaming. The DUST community, obviously was not, seeing as they were able to quickly find and exploit any flaw in CCPs game design.

But you blame CCP and their ignorance of FPS and console gaming for this.

lol You should be a politician.

or a lawyer

You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple.

See I can use bold and underline too.

Seriously? you can't be that dense.

Your apologizing for a company that had over 60 active employee' working on DUST for 5 years(70 now). with a Multi million dollar budget.

Some of the best most passionate talent in the game development field.

With a direct deal with Sony allowing for continuous client side updates for a reduced cost from even tripple A developers.


And putting all the blame on a player playing the game.

Seriously? you can't be that dense.

I think we're you're loosing me is the fact that the "glitches and poorly designed game mechanics" are the fault of CCP. Hence, CCP is responsible for facilitating cheating via their laziness or, at best, inability to get the job done.

So, to deny their central, key role in the fizzling out of Dust is willful ignorance.

It's like saying the federal government had nothing to do with the economy collapsing in 2008. Sure, they write the rules and are supposed to enforce them, but let's not hold them accountable when bankers sh!t all over everybody by exploiting loopholes in said rules. Heaven forbid we expect the designers of the system to, you know, design it better.

coming from a player in a corp that has one of the worst community reputations in the game? how naive and ignorant you are.

I never said CCP wasn't at fault for designing a fallible game. I simply stated that the players had a choice to exploit the flawed design when they could have chosen not to.

Your anecdote is interesting, but doesn't necessarily apply. In the case of Politicians/Bankers: In the U.S., because anyone is able to submit a bill to congress, The banksters fund think tanks, which create these bills. Then the banksters fund the special interest groups which lobby our legislatures to sign these bills into law which benefit them.

This would be equivalent to the smallest, wealthies portion of the playerbase having control over the development of DUST, with CCP simply there to place their stamp of approval on whatever lands on their desk, maybe tossing the idea around the office beforehand just to make it look legit.

XD What are you smoking and where's your dispensary?!?!

"Anyone is able to submit a bill to congress" [sic] ROFLOLOLOLOLOL!!! Yeah, for sure, that's why you see so many people doing it. Because anyone can (ie, this isn't something that requires resources or connections) and it's hella effective anyway.

Your example is spot-on: the smallest, wealthiest portions of the playerbase are chummy with CCP. The CPM? Flunky lobbyists. DNS and similar, with connections to EVE powerblocks that themselves are in bed with CCP? The same.

I feel like this clip pretty much sums up the entire situation. I'll let you decide which characters correspond to which sides of this debate.

You want to talk density? Since you know everything in the world, i would have though you would understand some basic economics. Obviously not.

Lets run some numbers up, shall we?


Alright, so 60 employees, a "multi million dollar budget", and 5 years?

The average salary for designers, coders and artists on the low end is 60,000 a year. At the high end its about 90,000. So 60 employees x 60,000 = 3.6 million a year just in salaries. Times 5? Thats 18 million dollars. And thats lowballing it.

Now, since money doesn't grow on trees, and cause unlike you, CCPs parents dont pay everything for them, they have to make that money back. Its called investing. Thats where someone spends some capital in hopes of making more than they spent back over a period of time.

How do you want them to make 18 million dollars back on a game that averages 4,000 people online during its peak periods? Dont forget, that 18 million is just a low estimate on salary costs. Theres alot of overhead that is not being calculated. Things like electric bills, R&D costs, bandwidth costs, ect. These "multi millions" add up and disappear pretty fast.

Now, instead of developing and progressing the game, those people have had to constantly dedicate their efforts to cleaning up messes left by the folks like you with a massive entitlement complex. You break something, they have to stop what they are doing and fix it. You cant just have 1 person go and fix something, it is a collaborative team effort.

According to you, you should have the right to chase away their revenue stream, have efforts dedicated to babysitting you, and develop an "end game" so that you can feel like you've accomplished something. WOW. "im a player I have the right to break everything. its their fault for making something breakable in the first place".

It goes without saying that you have never worked a day in your life and have no concept of the value of money.

Do you get it now? You choked off their source of revenue. Demanded extra resources, and then complained that they couldn't find even more resources to cater to your dreams. Their resources and funding are finite. Thats why they are coming out with Legion. Dust will never make back its investment cause you and your friends made sure there wouldn't be enough players to fund the project.

Coming from Void Echo? Compliment accepted.


Our accomplishments and willingness to teach and fight as the under dogs is well noted. Make up whatever makes you happy.

Dude... again dense.

CCP is an Icelandic company.. They have to post their earnings publicly.. Go check. DUST has been in the green for a long time.. Even with developing Legion for the last 8 months+

They have been in the green for a long time.. Not to mention you have no idea what your talking about for DUST's population, everything you said about it is repeating the exact same people that have been proven wrong on countless occasions on these very forums which you then repeat.


CCP had an entire studio shut down in Atlanta that was developing an IP they actually bought.. WoD... for what 8 years? There is your project that was running without any funding..

Wanna know the reason CCP had to launch the game out of beta so quick? Class action lawsuit. DUST 514 was in Beta in full Micro-transaction mode. The problem with this? It's actually illegal in several countries.

So CCP had to launch Uprising, AND THEN, reimburse everyone for the Aurum purchases they made for every booster and item. Only a couple Static BPO Aurum items where legal to transfer sale from beta to a finished product.

Again your trying to excuse their mistakes like it was all the players fault for playing the game. and actually paying for it.

Chromosome had 15k player peaks. Uprising launched we didn't even break 10k players.

This wasn't the players that where running proto-type. This wasn't Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz and Imperfects, ImpSwarm etc.. stomping everyone with their proto suits that chased players away. That is what made me log in every day and attempt to cap... To compete and get on their level. That is what made me buy boosters and actually make me think about investing serious recreational time into the product.

The pub scrubs will never understand our strife.

Why is life being compared to Dust? Want to make another comparison?

Let's say your the third princess to a kingdom whose ruler died, now the heirs are at civil war. Do you do what it takes to win, or do you do what it takes to play fair?

You can take any life situation and make it sound like it has relevance here, but it doesn't. The fact is you cannot give players the opportunity to use something then get mad at them for doing it, it's completely absurd. If it wasn't supposed to be used CCP would of stated it as 'exploit' where the contract you okayed when you first made your toon kicks in and has that exploiter dealt with.

Problem is, for something to be called an exploit here CCP needs to state it is so, and never have concerning PC. So look at them with disgust for handing players a way to easily farm.

I never said any particular person or corp was doing any particular thing.

This wasn't the players that where running proto-type. This wasn't Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz and Imperfects, ImpSwarm etc.. stomping everyone with their proto suits that chased players away. That is what made me log in every day and attempt to cap... To compete and get on their level. That is what made me buy boosters and actually make me think about investing serious recreational time into the product.

Sorry quoted you and summarized what people keep saying.

Why is life being compared to Dust? Want to make another comparison?

Let's say your the third princess to a kingdom whose ruler died, now the heirs are at civil war. Do you do what it takes to win, or do you do what it takes to play fair?

You can take any life situation and make it sound like it has relevance here, but it doesn't. The fact is you cannot give players the opportunity to use something then get mad at them for doing it, it's completely absurd. If it wasn't supposed to be used CCP would of stated it as 'exploit' where the contract you okayed when you first made your toon kicks in and has that exploiter dealt with.

Problem is, for something to be called an exploit here CCP needs to state it is so, and never have concerning PC. So look at them with disgust for handing players a way to easily farm.

I have a small problem with people who took advantage of the mechanics even when it became clear it was killing the game, but I agree the responsibility fell on CCP to fix it. I have a much bigger issue with those who are complaining about the changes and pining for the good old days when it was completely broken and they were the ones breaking it.