No one ruined the game.. Corps simply recruited good and got into PC new corps were created which outlasted the older corps (other than a few) this game hasn't been controlled by 1 or 2 Groups this whole time it's been a phase, Imperfects, EON, AE, NS, DNS, ERA. All in top alliances and all these corps have fought each other to get where they are today.. They didn't sit back in pubs they took initiative and went into PC for the competition and isk.

No one ruined the game.. Corps simply recruited good and got into PC new corps were created which outlasted the older corps (other than a few) this game hasn't been controlled by 1 or 2 Groups this whole time it's been a phase, Imperfects, EON, AE, NS, DNS, ERA. All in top alliances and all these corps have fought each other to get where they are today.. They didn't sit back in pubs they took initiative and went into PC for the competition and isk.

RE: the KBM comment - is there something I'm missing? Circle-strafing is way quicker than left-right strafing w/ a keyboard. I don't really see what the big deal is.

If you think PC has anything to do with someone being wealthy in DUST? your clueless about the basic workings of this game.

i think you are being willfully ignorant.

NS did district lockings, they joined all the monopoly alliances, (jumping ship at the right time), put all their timers on Tokyo time, and then spent regular prime time in pub matches doing endless stomps. Stop acting like they are just a bunch of regular folks who had a few good games of caught some lucky breaks. They systematically used and abused the system till CCP had their hand forced into changing it. They took a positive community reward, and turned it into something that negatively impacted many players and the game itself.

They had a choice. They could have out their timers in regular time. Since they are all online at that time anyway. But they preferred to do stomps and make the timers inaccessible. They locked, before locking was fixed. they did everything in their power to keep their ISK subsidy just so they could finance the stomping of new players.

Theres alot of players and corps who could legitimately say that the changes to PC have negatively impacted them. NS and their NC puppets are not one of them. It was their actions more than any other corp that provoked these changes. If theres anyone who should just shut up and deal with the consequences, its them.

Sad joke huh? You do the math there Beth, 15 mil isk a day x 80 districts..... Thats what NS was, doing for months. Some of us know apparently you dont.

As for a good fight blah blah, doesnt matter, pc represented an elite few, any league type play in a shooter always has. The MAJORITY of this community is in public matches always has been always will be. So therefore again I say no one cares that pc is dead, you are in a corp that helped kill the game and when Kujo didn't get what he thought the doughnut would provide after fan fest he ran away.

Frankly im glad many of you left. Its opened the game up for new players and other corps. Even if the isk generated wasnt substantial it was enough to support protostompimg andmI don't want to hear any lies about protostomping being profitable. If you lose 2 protosuits in pubs you have lost money, mand if you die even once then at best you break even, in a, really high wp game where I make 300,000 isk or more maybe I can die twice. These people, you people stomped the life out of the game and ANYONE who was not an elitist will tell you that simple truth. Protostomping corps in pubs was the single biggest downfall in dust 514 period.

These could never have enough respect to leave one game mode unstomped. No, wed rather ride into a pub 6 or 12 deep, sling on them, FOTM redline noobs in 2 minutes and then run around the redline chasing kills. Omg do you even know how boring that was? It was inconceivable that rather than making blues feel bad for being noobs we wouod help them, guide them, squad with them.

No all you and your ilk did was to discourage, dissuade, and disrespect new dots. Well you, the Japs, the Kains, Kujos, Cubs, and whoever else got what you wanted. PC is all yours go fight each other. Heres a thought, go fight Nyain San. Go fight the corps you blued up with that were your competition that you decided to doughnut up with so you didn't have to fight......

i think you are being willfully ignorant.

NS did district lockings, they joined all the monopoly alliances, (jumping ship at the right time), put all their timers on Tokyo time, and then spent regular prime time in pub matches doing endless stomps. Stop acting like they are just a bunch of regular folks who had a few good games of caught some lucky breaks. They systematically used and abused the system till CCP had their hand forced into changing it. They took a positive community reward, and turned it into something that negatively impacted many players and the game itself.

They had a choice. They could have out their timers in regular time. Since they are all online at that time anyway. But they preferred to do stomps and make the timers inaccessible. They locked, before locking was fixed. they did everything in their power to keep their ISK subsidy just so they could finance the stomping of new players.

Theres alot of players and corps who could legitimately say that the changes to PC have negatively impacted them. NS and their NC puppets are not one of them. It was their actions more than any other corp that provoked these changes. If theres anyone who should just shut up and deal with the consequences, its them.

Pubs are a freaking clown cars full of any moron you can fit in.

And as for you noob,, you are not even that good. You are ok at best,, so stfu.

i think you are being willfully ignorant.

NS did district lockings, they joined all the monopoly alliances, (jumping ship at the right time), put all their timers on Tokyo time, and then spent regular prime time in pub matches doing endless stomps. Stop acting like they are just a bunch of regular folks who had a few good games of caught some lucky breaks. They systematically used and abused the system till CCP had their hand forced into changing it. They took a positive community reward, and turned it into something that negatively impacted many players and the game itself.

They had a choice. They could have out their timers in regular time. Since they are all online at that time anyway. But they preferred to do stomps and make the timers inaccessible. They locked, before locking was fixed. they did everything in their power to keep their ISK subsidy just so they could finance the stomping of new players.

Theres alot of players and corps who could legitimately say that the changes to PC have negatively impacted them. NS and their NC puppets are not one of them. It was their actions more than any other corp that provoked these changes. If theres anyone who should just shut up and deal with the consequences, its them.

American time is not 'regular time'. They set their timers late near downtime because that was when they are awake and most active, they are not as active as when the majority of American players are on.
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Before talking maybe you should have put some timers on our time? Then I wouldn't have to wake up early to take you're ****.: we dealt with it and didn't cry so why are you?

Everything you said in this post is half true and based on either forum rumors or bullshit gossip you hear in game from players who know half truths they are repeating off forums.. and make up the rest.

It's just fear and ignorance spewing this kinda garbage.

You really are that ignorant aren't you? If you were in NS you would know when most players get on.. Yeah we have about 2 full squads during NA time but why would we set timers for 12 -20 players? NS prime time isn't NA prime time. We have enough players for at least 1 squad at all times (usually, not always).
Also we try to q-sync against each other when we have 2 full squads on. Unfortunately the matchmaking doesn't always put us on opposite sides..

Look, you can justify things however you want. Getting me to agree with you wont change much. The OP started this thread to lament the lack of passive ISK. I was simply explaining to him that he belonged to an organization that is partially responsible for the present situation.

You can give your reasons, ect. It wont change what has happened. if people didn't reallocate PC ISK to pubs, people in the pubs wouldn't have complained as much. And if they didn't complain as much, CCP wouldn't have had to change the system. Im not the one that said "Yeah why dont you guys grab 5 madrugar ion cannons and go stomp a bunch of new players right out of the academy". You guys did that all on your own.

You can call me ignorant all you want. Maybe from your perspective thats how I look. From my perspective though, you look like you're in denial.

You really are that ignorant aren't you? If you were in NS you would know when most players get on.. Yeah we have about 2 full squads during NA time but why would we set timers for 12 -20 players? NS prime time isn't NA prime time. We have enough players for at least 1 squad at all times (usually, not always).
Also we try to q-sync against each other when we have 2 full squads on. Unfortunately the matchmaking doesn't always put us on opposite sides..

Four districts flipped today so...

What can you do when LAVALLOIS Nash makes up facts then calls them true because he saw it one time in DUST..

Just like the matchmaking system is completely the players fault who then have to use his "Made up sense of video game Honor" to not actively kill the game.

He can continue to blame the players for the state of DUST... But he and everyone that does just looks like an absolute moron trying to do so.

Well a confirmed sighting usually means something crosses over from "suspected" to "confirmed". If I saw something, even once, I can confirm i saw it. If I never, ever saw it, then it is suspected. or "rumored", if you will.

So its not made up in that sense. Besides, weve already confirmed that although im not 100% right, im atleast 50%.



Its not about a "made up sense of honor". its about not hurting retention in a nascent FPS. Since you know everything, you would have known that FPS games, especially console ones, is a overly saturated market, and that a game has to be extraordinary to capture and retain a respectable market share.

Since an online FPS game is made up of....community.....its a collective responsibility to help player retention along. Instead vets like you spend all day giving people more reasons to leave rather than stay. Heres some simple economics: Dwindling player base = dwindling player generated revenue = Game terminated much earlier than projected.



The game IS players. Its an online FPS. Without players, its just a bunch of artwork and customization options. CCP can only do so much.

You are quick to blame, and even insult others for what you perceive is failure to do something on their part, but really, you have never stepped up and taken responsibility to make it better. You just participate in self destructive behavior and then lament that CCP is not cleaning up your mess properly.

Problem with your assumptions is they are freaking terrible and sad.

The ONLY place in DUST you got good fights was PC.

16 mercenaries organized, focused on a singular goal and executing strategies to impose their will on the match.

Pubs are a freaking clown cars full of any moron you can fit in.

PC is supposed to be the End game for DUST... The whole reason to play DUST past a couple Pub matches.

Instead we get a bunch of you people who don't understand that the average PC player even in the HEIGHT of farming PC was BROKE.

Yes the Average PC player is BROKE. WAS BROKE, And has ALWAYS been BROKE. even in the height of District locking.

This is fact..... Get your head around it.

The ONLY people who got rich are people who where ALREADY running full time proto-type at a Profit. The PC ISK just added to the Hundreds of millions they had sitting there for 3-4 months.


The ISK Generated in PC at MAX POTENTIAL.. Meaning no attacks in all of Molden Heath. No Clone losses what so ever... Doesnt Even add up to the ISK generated everyday by players Creating a new character and transferring the 250k off to their main, deleting character and doing it again for 4 accounts per day.

Those are the PUB stars in Pub's running proto all day and not caring about the losses.

Ask Duna how many PC's he needed to do to afford endless tanks?

The mere connection between PC and being well off in DUST is a SAD JOKE, and completely comes from Fear, hate and ignorance.

I don't know man I've made alot of my money doing pc I almost always turn a profit at the end unless im fighting really hard against corps like ERA or nyain san but you do have point alot ppl get rich as fuk being pubstars hell even I gotta admit I make bank running pubs but I think in total I've made far more doing pc thats just my 2 cents tho

Yeah sure, thats why every person who has complained about NS stomps can recall the timeframe being during NA primetime. I myself can.

Youd want me to believe that after all the rage ive read about them on these forums, that in reality, no one ever saw a NS player cause they are only on during Tokyo primetime? Please. You can do better. It is exactly as ive stated it is. They put the timers to a time no one will be on, and stay up to farm during NA primetime.

As for Legion, good luck with that. CCP had to essentially scrap a whole project and start over completely because of the albatross you and your corp hung on this games neck. Im sure they are eagerly looking forward to you hurting player retention on that game too.



i have a screenshot of a Q-synced NS/NC Ambush game. Taken during NA primetime several months back.


You know, half is 50%. 51% is a majority. So if i can come up with another 1% of fact, that will put me in the majority right side. Being wrong by 1% is pretty good by my standards.

Since we are trying though to make sure an accurate narrative is established, why dont you tell us about your time in DNS. The smaller corps you crushed to make way for your doughnut. All that collaboration and no fighting. The fact that AE got so bored they were here on the forums offering to q-sync FW as a pseudo PC match. They clearly were hungry for fights, but didn't want to risk their Obamacare districts.

You go on and on about how much you care about PC. What happened to What The French? You guys ganged up on them and forced out the longest standing PC corp just so you could have bragging rights.

Doesnt really sound like someone who really cares about PC. Rather, you seem to be motivated by a sense of entitlement and delusions of benevolence.

I said most active, not completely off, you do not understand the concept of timers or sleep apparently...the majority of their people and leadership get on after DT and it's when they are the most organized and awake. People in the corp from the EU and NA (like myself) or SA play on other timers or all over the place like other corps who have multinational members, if you see multiple NS members on the NA primetimes that does not mean they are all Japanese. You are as ignorant as the people who send me mail in Japanese when I do not even speak the language. Look, your corp bottomed out last year soon before PC and soon after it don't take it out on people you have no relevance to.

Coming from you? Haha

So very true!