Look on the brightside, now when you're fighting on your territory you'll know that you're fighting for a good fight, and not just making it so you, and everyone in your circle can run proto every match. Which, lets be honest, you probably already have said ability anyway...Also your corp's name means "Mr. Meow," Nyan= Meow in Japanese, San=Mr,Ms,or something like that,(mind=blown).

Good, no one cares. NS not making billions of isk passively off 80 districts to pub stomp with? NS crying about no one wanting to play the game you helped destroy? Go back to your doughnut nub, eat it alone as hollow as it is. Pubs are the most important part of any shooter and ccp simply put a stop to exploits that corps like yours used to gain isk and ruin this game. Lol enjoy your districts noob.

When you say imploded it sounds painful but I don't remember it hurting Well leaving the first corp I've ever been in kinda hurt. But anyways I've grinded billions from using BPO's. PC doesn't effect me one bit, that being said you staying on console or bringing some pot over to PC? I'm headed to Titan Fall and PS2 till Legion comes out.

Back in the day players got about 20 mil a PC.. Well the good players, Huge difference now. Haven't played recently 10 mil good for PC now?

Well damn, I won't be on for like a week or so then I'll be a scrub all over again. But I haven't played PS2 in a long time so I'm hoping it's better this time

I don't see a point in PC anymore....just mouse and keyboard heavies and RE scouts...it's lame

That does make more sense O.O

Sad joke huh? You do the math there Beth, 15 mil isk a day x 80 districts..... Thats what NS was, doing for months. Some of us know apparently you dont.

As for a good fight blah blah, doesnt matter, pc represented an elite few, any league type play in a shooter always has. The MAJORITY of this community is in public matches always has been always will be. So therefore again I say no one cares that pc is dead, you are in a corp that helped kill the game and when Kujo didn't get what he thought the doughnut would provide after fan fest he ran away.

Frankly im glad many of you left. Its opened the game up for new players and other corps. Even if the isk generated wasnt substantial it was enough to support protostompimg andmI don't want to hear any lies about protostomping being profitable. If you lose 2 protosuits in pubs you have lost money, mand if you die even once then at best you break even, in a, really high wp game where I make 300,000 isk or more maybe I can die twice. These people, you people stomped the life out of the game and ANYONE who was not an elitist will tell you that simple truth. Protostomping corps in pubs was the single biggest downfall in dust 514 period.

These could never have enough respect to leave one game mode unstomped. No, wed rather ride into a pub 6 or 12 deep, sling on them, FOTM redline noobs in 2 minutes and then run around the redline chasing kills. Omg do you even know how boring that was? It was inconceivable that rather than making blues feel bad for being noobs we wouod help them, guide them, squad with them.

No all you and your ilk did was to discourage, dissuade, and disrespect new dots. Well you, the Japs, the Kains, Kujos, Cubs, and whoever else got what you wanted. PC is all yours go fight each other. Heres a thought, go fight Nyain San. Go fight the corps you blued up with that were your competition that you decided to doughnut up with so you didn't have to fight......

i think you are being willfully ignorant.

NS did district lockings, they joined all the monopoly alliances, (jumping ship at the right time), put all their timers on Tokyo time, and then spent regular prime time in pub matches doing endless stomps. Stop acting like they are just a bunch of regular folks who had a few good games of caught some lucky breaks. They systematically used and abused the system till CCP had their hand forced into changing it. They took a positive community reward, and turned it into something that negatively impacted many players and the game itself.

They had a choice. They could have out their timers in regular time. Since they are all online at that time anyway. But they preferred to do stomps and make the timers inaccessible. They locked, before locking was fixed. they did everything in their power to keep their ISK subsidy just so they could finance the stomping of new players.

Theres alot of players and corps who could legitimately say that the changes to PC have negatively impacted them. NS and their NC puppets are not one of them. It was their actions more than any other corp that provoked these changes. If theres anyone who should just shut up and deal with the consequences, its them.

You really are that ignorant aren't you? If you were in NS you would know when most players get on.. Yeah we have about 2 full squads during NA time but why would we set timers for 12 -20 players? NS prime time isn't NA prime time. We have enough players for at least 1 squad at all times (usually, not always).
Also we try to q-sync against each other when we have 2 full squads on. Unfortunately the matchmaking doesn't always put us on opposite sides..

Well a confirmed sighting usually means something crosses over from "suspected" to "confirmed". If I saw something, even once, I can confirm i saw it. If I never, ever saw it, then it is suspected. or "rumored", if you will.

So its not made up in that sense. Besides, weve already confirmed that although im not 100% right, im atleast 50%.



Its not about a "made up sense of honor". its about not hurting retention in a nascent FPS. Since you know everything, you would have known that FPS games, especially console ones, is a overly saturated market, and that a game has to be extraordinary to capture and retain a respectable market share.

Since an online FPS game is made up of....community.....its a collective responsibility to help player retention along. Instead vets like you spend all day giving people more reasons to leave rather than stay. Heres some simple economics: Dwindling player base = dwindling player generated revenue = Game terminated much earlier than projected.



The game IS players. Its an online FPS. Without players, its just a bunch of artwork and customization options. CCP can only do so much.

You are quick to blame, and even insult others for what you perceive is failure to do something on their part, but really, you have never stepped up and taken responsibility to make it better. You just participate in self destructive behavior and then lament that CCP is not cleaning up your mess properly.

So why the complaints about no ISK in PC now? Why the district locking? Why the donuts if the ISK didn't matter?

You like live in some kind of alternative reality in your head or something. You keep going on and on about "internet honor".

Take a second to smack your head on your desk viciously a few times till you get that idea out of your head. Good. Now listen carefully. Its not about "honor", its about growth. If you uproot a plant before it bears fruit, you wont get your yeild. It has nothing to do with "honor".

Here, follow along..... Bigger player base = expanded revenue = more CCP resources for development = end game gets developed.

Now, follow along the way that you "vets" have done things so far: Hurt player base size = less revenue = less CCP resources for development = end game cancelled.

Again, its not about "honor". You guys essentially cut a tree down before it could bear fruit. You can call that whatever you want, its just simple fact that you stunted growth at a critical time, so now it will never grow again.

True, CCP were not able to anticipate and prevent many of the abuses perpetrated by members of this community. Remember, however that as far as FPS and console is concerned CCP is an infant gaming company, who asked this community for help in developing the game for us all to enjoy.

CCP, to their own detriment, gave us the power to help guide DUST development.

What did this community do with that opportunity?

They took ever opportunity to cheat in order to pad their stats.

Sure DUST didn't have the best matchmaking system, and often times Vet players and corps found themselves in matches against new or less experienced players.

And Sure, communication was never that great in the beginning.

However, we do not know what sort of internal struggles CCP had been experiencing during this time. We do know there was things happening internally, though, as evidenced by some major staff changes which occurred throughout this time period.

It was, however the sole choice of the players to abuse this system for months on end while CCP Developers struggled to keep up with players. It was the players' choice to Proto Q-Sync stomp on a bunch of noobs. CCP never made anyone kill that MLT suit with that Proto Weapon.

CCP Never forced anyone to q into Ambush, call in a blaster Madrugar and ROTFLSTOMP ever motherloving thing in site.

CCP never forced anyone to abuse the WP system for personal gain.

Did CCP Make the system? Sure

CCP always told us "we create the tools, and let you players do with them what you will"

Well, what we have now is a direct result of what the players did with the tools CCP gave them.

How easy could it have been to just say to ourselves "This is going to ruin the game, we should see about getting it fixed, and be sure not to abuse the (insert broken mechanic/glitch) to the detriment of the game.

I all but begged this community to exercise just a fraction of concious when it comes down to matters such as these. Do you know what I was told...

Welcome to New Eden

HTFU.

Now everyone wanna cry cause the game is unpopulated and PC is devoid of life.

Well, Welcome to New Eden, where your decisions have consequences.

HTFU.

So, when I got Melee killed in 1.7 While wearing my over 1300 HP Amarr Heavy Basic Frame Poto...that was legit.

Or, wait, I guess I could have used the Melee glitch myself.

Then again, I'm not a cheating scrub.

Welcome to New Eden.

There is a whole entire world of difference between meta gaming and cheating.

Corporate Espionage = Meta Gaming

CPM Elections = Meta Gaming

Sabatoge = Meta Gaming

You can try to colour it any way you want to, but the fact is, exploiting glitches and poorly designed game mechanics is not meta gaming, it is cheating plain and simple.

See I can use bold and underline too.

Thats like saying its the planets fault for not absorbing an oil spill when it happens. Its just ironic that you blame CCP for giving you guys the benefit of the doubt instead of forseeing just how rotten some of the player base would be.

Maybe for legion, they should just assume that the vet tryhard community will be scum, and just make tons and tons of rules so that we have no freedom and everything has to be done on a linear path with no choice. Nevermind meta game, everything will be tightly controlled and regulated so that you dont destroy their investment a 2nd time.

Since instead of blaming the vandal, we are blaming the property for having the ability to get vandalized.




You should do like the rest of your corp and pack it up and leave. Since you are so unhappy here, and obviously destined for internet greatness, why dont you take your toxic attitude and go pollute a different community with it.

We will replace you with someone who is capable of making a positive contribution.

I was defending the FG blast radius because there was never a problem with the FG blast radius until tower camping with a FG became a thing.

Then and only then was the FG a big huge deal that needed to be beat down with a nerf bat.

Notice here that the way players were using the FG is what got the FG nerfed.

Prime example of what I'm talking about.

The melee *thing* was more than exceptional talent + a well fit suit. It was a damn glitch or an exploit, stop being dense. When I was melee'd 4 or 5 times within a quarter of a second, there is cheating going on. I know how fast the L3 button can be pressed. Granted I can't say for certain how it was done whether a glitch or modded controller or what, but it is cheating regardless.

Just like the Turbo Controller Tac AR

Or circumventing the AR's Kick mechanic by using a turbo controller.

Or the new one I've seen recently with the Vehicle Small Rail Turrets. Some scrub found a way to make those fire rapidly negating nearly any charge time. I literally thought I was being shot with a rail rifle, but it was a small rail turret. SMH!

Fact is, we have all done something that most likely contributed to the state DUST is in now.

I can man up and accept responsibility for anything I may have done, can you?

Like I said before, CCP is in it's infancy when it comes to FPS and console gaming. The DUST community, obviously was not, seeing as they were able to quickly find and exploit any flaw in CCPs game design.

But you blame CCP and their ignorance of FPS and console gaming for this.

lol You should be a politician.

or a lawyer

coming from a player in a corp that has one of the worst community reputations in the game? how naive and ignorant you are.

You want to talk density? Since you know everything in the world, i would have though you would understand some basic economics. Obviously not.

Lets run some numbers up, shall we?


Alright, so 60 employees, a "multi million dollar budget", and 5 years?

The average salary for designers, coders and artists on the low end is 60,000 a year. At the high end its about 90,000. So 60 employees x 60,000 = 3.6 million a year just in salaries. Times 5? Thats 18 million dollars. And thats lowballing it.

Now, since money doesn't grow on trees, and cause unlike you, CCPs parents dont pay everything for them, they have to make that money back. Its called investing. Thats where someone spends some capital in hopes of making more than they spent back over a period of time.

How do you want them to make 18 million dollars back on a game that averages 4,000 people online during its peak periods? Dont forget, that 18 million is just a low estimate on salary costs. Theres alot of overhead that is not being calculated. Things like electric bills, R&D costs, bandwidth costs, ect. These "multi millions" add up and disappear pretty fast.

Now, instead of developing and progressing the game, those people have had to constantly dedicate their efforts to cleaning up messes left by the folks like you with a massive entitlement complex. You break something, they have to stop what they are doing and fix it. You cant just have 1 person go and fix something, it is a collaborative team effort.

According to you, you should have the right to chase away their revenue stream, have efforts dedicated to babysitting you, and develop an "end game" so that you can feel like you've accomplished something. WOW. "im a player I have the right to break everything. its their fault for making something breakable in the first place".

It goes without saying that you have never worked a day in your life and have no concept of the value of money.

Do you get it now? You choked off their source of revenue. Demanded extra resources, and then complained that they couldn't find even more resources to cater to your dreams. Their resources and funding are finite. Thats why they are coming out with Legion. Dust will never make back its investment cause you and your friends made sure there wouldn't be enough players to fund the project.