I said most active, not completely off, you do not understand the concept of timers or sleep apparently...the majority of their people and leadership get on after DT and it's when they are the most organized and awake. People in the corp from the EU and NA (like myself) or SA play on other timers or all over the place like other corps who have multinational members, if you see multiple NS members on the NA primetimes that does not mean they are all Japanese. You are as ignorant as the people who send me mail in Japanese when I do not even speak the language. Look, your corp bottomed out last year soon before PC and soon after it don't take it out on people you have no relevance to.

It's funny the people who says it's not broken there all the people who own most of it

Problem with your assumptions is they are freaking terrible and sad.

The ONLY place in DUST you got good fights was PC.

16 mercenaries organized, focused on a singular goal and executing strategies to impose their will on the match.

Pubs are a freaking clown cars full of any moron you can fit in.

PC is supposed to be the End game for DUST... The whole reason to play DUST past a couple Pub matches.

Instead we get a bunch of you people who don't understand that the average PC player even in the HEIGHT of farming PC was BROKE.

Yes the Average PC player is BROKE. WAS BROKE, And has ALWAYS been BROKE. even in the height of District locking.

This is fact..... Get your head around it.

The ONLY people who got rich are people who where ALREADY running full time proto-type at a Profit. The PC ISK just added to the Hundreds of millions they had sitting there for 3-4 months.


The ISK Generated in PC at MAX POTENTIAL.. Meaning no attacks in all of Molden Heath. No Clone losses what so ever... Doesnt Even add up to the ISK generated everyday by players Creating a new character and transferring the 250k off to their main, deleting character and doing it again for 4 accounts per day.

Those are the PUB stars in Pub's running proto all day and not caring about the losses.

Ask Duna how many PC's he needed to do to afford endless tanks?

The mere connection between PC and being well off in DUST is a SAD JOKE, and completely comes from Fear, hate and ignorance.

Nyan San = Chinese Gold Farmers.

So why the complaints about no ISK in PC now? Why the district locking? Why the donuts if the ISK didn't matter?

Lol just wow.

If a game doesn't construct a proper End game with motivational reasons it will not keep activity in the game. That is just fact.

District locking was started by none of the people you think started it. The corporations you look at for district locking didn't need to.. Other people started and you would of been a fool or trying to make up "Internet Honor" to not do something CCP said as fine and their error. .

Instead we got a knee jerk reaction from people who have never been part of it to instantly remove it because these guys are farming ISK then killing you in public matches and that is no fair. sadface. Fck the big picture it's all about Pub's right? lol

CCP slowly started killing off the end game and growth of DUST for veteran players.. they started leaving and finding new homes like would happen inevitably if there was little to no focus placed on the End game for over a year. And now the few left from those groups of players from back then have all consolidated under the few active corporations left..

The biggest problem with a new corporation getting into PC, is there is no where in DUST that teaches you how to play as 16 mercenaries trying to win the match. Pub's are a joke... FW are a joke... and when you jump into PC your facing people who have played that game mode for over a year.. and rarely play Pubs(If they played pubs for a year they would of quit)

That is the problem with PC... We need a Team deploy mode that you can deploy 16 mercenaries for a fun educational match against another 16. Without having to pay for a clone pack to learn.

I won't name Mercs or corporations, but I recently had a terrible PC experience.

I was invited to a pc against a certain big name corporation with many resources and influence. In the warbarge the player who invited me informed me that it was a "distraction match" then the team dropped down to 4 players.

Im nobody's ******* cannon fodder.

Im not here to stroke some pimple faced crumb covered greasy haired computer geek's epeen.

Many of the people in this community should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for the state they put this game in.

You want to blame CCP, but CCP did not proto stomp every new player to this game for over a year.

CCP did not exploit bugs and game mechanics then try to excuse themselves by saying "win by any means possible even cheating"

CCP did not farm multiple billions upon multiple billions of ISK from PC.

Legion is most likely a direct result of this game's subpar numbers, which are a result of a completely egotistical, self-entitled, utterly broken portion of this community.

Since I've come back after being gone for six months, I have been boosted on, told to "stand in front and soak up bullets" while not repping my 900 armor, but shooting back scoring kills at my expense. Then when I didn't cooperate I got booted from squad (lmmfao) now this PC "distraction match".

People need to grow up.

EDIT: Oh and anyone who has the balls to speak out against this is Ostracized and blacklisted.

You like live in some kind of alternative reality in your head or something. You keep going on and on about "internet honor".

Take a second to smack your head on your desk viciously a few times till you get that idea out of your head. Good. Now listen carefully. Its not about "honor", its about growth. If you uproot a plant before it bears fruit, you wont get your yeild. It has nothing to do with "honor".

Here, follow along..... Bigger player base = expanded revenue = more CCP resources for development = end game gets developed.

Now, follow along the way that you "vets" have done things so far: Hurt player base size = less revenue = less CCP resources for development = end game cancelled.

Again, its not about "honor". You guys essentially cut a tree down before it could bear fruit. You can call that whatever you want, its just simple fact that you stunted growth at a critical time, so now it will never grow again.

No player in any game is supposed to self nerf themselves while they play... the mere notion is sad.

Complaining about squads when CCP let squads of 6 and the matchmaking system is SAD.

The fact that you don't realize CCP has had 60 employees with a multi-million budget for this game and you seem to blame the players for it?
.

Our job as players is to play the game to the best of our ability. Not to self impose YOUR made up rules about how to play DUST.

DUST has a turn over rate of population at like 80%.. meaning 80% of the entire DUST population recycles each month. and 80% quit. It's the highest turn over rate in the industry. there are articles written on it.

And vet Corps? QCGold is older then a majority of Corporations you cal vet. LordChaos and a couple of my friends tried to make QCGold relevant in PC.. But because of massive leadership deficiencies they had to go make their own corporation.

QCgold is understandably bitter about PC. But it's wasn't player skill that limited them.

This comes down to CCP. all the blame lies with them, and the fact that you are trying to blame players for playing the game... Not how you want them to play it.

Proves to everyone how bitter, shortsighted and misguided your blame really is.

I personally felt that the changes were too heavy handed. Yes, PC was making too much ISK - that's almost unanimous - but I don't think we should have removed the incentive altogether. You should still get SOMETHING from owning districts and I think that trying to force players to have 'good fights' for ISK is an entirely artificial conflict driver. We want fights, we want wars, but not because we have to have them to make use out of our territories.

Assuming that districts will never generate ISK again, what are some (sane) ways we can give incentive to having districts outside of the current reasoning?

At least your consistently "special"

Oh btw I saw a Bat flying around in the day. Must mean they really are active in the day time and everyone is lying to us.

I'll try and help you understand this concept as you still haven't grasped it. Tiered gear has been practiced in games since the beginning of the idea of character progression. The mere assumption and COMPLETE utter confidence that you have... to say proto-type gear killed this game is about as stupid as these forums get.

And just is funny.. It's like an argument coming from a 13 yr old about how the world isn't fair. It really has that much merit.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about the lack of competition in this game--via protostomping--and how an elite, veteran subset of the population does everything in their power to maintain this imbalance, but we need to blame CCP where blame is due.

CCP imposed a "skill" system whose very nature guarantees that new players will be at a sever disadvantage for quite a while, and their version of pay-to-win is really more like pay-to-lose-less-sooner.

CCP never improved the NPE.

CCP was aware of the PC ISK farming for many months and waited an arbitrary amount of time to address the issue. They certainly had metrics to determine the main alliances/corps/players represented in PC, along with the effect these players were having in pubs.

CCP insisted on a snail's pace development cycle, using the Dust community's contributions to create a new IP, instead of actively and consistently engaging their community day-to-day to improve Dust and see it through its "10 year plan", versus making big promises and talking themselves up at marketing events (eg, Fan Fest and E3).

CCP is as backwards in their approach to developing Dust as the PC stompers are to actually playing the game.

If you think us getting isk is the problem then you're wrong. What happens when a new corp gets into PC? You move your clones to attack another district then lose yours in the process then you're back to pubs to grind another clone pack cuz the district you held generated you no isk. Honestly we don't need PC for isk so it doesn't bother me either way it's just sad that people disagree with a problem just because of our tags.

True, CCP were not able to anticipate and prevent many of the abuses perpetrated by members of this community. Remember, however that as far as FPS and console is concerned CCP is an infant gaming company, who asked this community for help in developing the game for us all to enjoy.

CCP, to their own detriment, gave us the power to help guide DUST development.

What did this community do with that opportunity?

They took ever opportunity to cheat in order to pad their stats.

Sure DUST didn't have the best matchmaking system, and often times Vet players and corps found themselves in matches against new or less experienced players.

And Sure, communication was never that great in the beginning.

However, we do not know what sort of internal struggles CCP had been experiencing during this time. We do know there was things happening internally, though, as evidenced by some major staff changes which occurred throughout this time period.

It was, however the sole choice of the players to abuse this system for months on end while CCP Developers struggled to keep up with players. It was the players' choice to Proto Q-Sync stomp on a bunch of noobs. CCP never made anyone kill that MLT suit with that Proto Weapon.

CCP Never forced anyone to q into Ambush, call in a blaster Madrugar and ROTFLSTOMP ever motherloving thing in site.

CCP never forced anyone to abuse the WP system for personal gain.

Did CCP Make the system? Sure

CCP always told us "we create the tools, and let you players do with them what you will"

Well, what we have now is a direct result of what the players did with the tools CCP gave them.

How easy could it have been to just say to ourselves "This is going to ruin the game, we should see about getting it fixed, and be sure not to abuse the (insert broken mechanic/glitch) to the detriment of the game.

I all but begged this community to exercise just a fraction of concious when it comes down to matters such as these. Do you know what I was told...

Welcome to New Eden

HTFU.

Now everyone wanna cry cause the game is unpopulated and PC is devoid of life.

Well, Welcome to New Eden, where your decisions have consequences.

HTFU.

Hell might as well toss NFsounds and some of the Other Asian Corps some land for friendly matches

the ability to generate and sell clones to other corps might be good.

also a garaunteed isk pay out win or lose to the district owners with a higher payout if won.


would also be nice for a corp to use their districts for exhibition matches within corp.

True, CCP were not able to anticipate and prevent many of the abuses perpetrated by members of this community. Remember, however that as far as FPS and console is concerned CCP is an infant gaming company, who asked this community for help in developing the game for us all to enjoy.

CCP, to their own detriment, gave us the power to help guide DUST development.

What did this community do with that opportunity?

They took ever opportunity to cheat in order to pad their stats.

Sure DUST didn't have the best matchmaking system, and often times Vet players and corps found themselves in matches against new or less experienced players.

And Sure, communication was never that great in the beginning.

However, we do not know what sort of internal struggles CCP had been experiencing during this time. We do know there was things happening internally, though, as evidenced by some major staff changes which occurred throughout this time period.

It was, however the sole choice of the players to abuse this system for months on end while CCP Developers struggled to keep up with players. It was the players' choice to Proto Q-Sync stomp on a bunch of noobs. CCP never made anyone kill that MLT suit with that Proto Weapon.

CCP Never forced anyone to q into Ambush, call in a blaster Madrugar and ROTFLSTOMP ever motherloving thing in site.

CCP never forced anyone to abuse the WP system for personal gain.

Did CCP Make the system? Sure

CCP always told us "we create the tools, and let you players do with them what you will"

Well, what we have now is a direct result of what the players did with the tools CCP gave them.

How easy could it have been to just say to ourselves "This is going to ruin the game, we should see about getting it fixed, and be sure not to abuse the (insert broken mechanic/glitch) to the detriment of the game.

I all but begged this community to exercise just a fraction of concious when it comes down to matters such as these. Do you know what I was told...

Welcome to New Eden

HTFU.

Now everyone wanna cry cause the game is unpopulated and PC is devoid of life.

Well, Welcome to New Eden, where your decisions have consequences.

HTFU.

This game didn't fail because of players running proto-type gear in public matches.


It failed Because of CCP

Anyone here since beta knows this.

CCP Checked out of DUST almost immediately after the huge fail when they launched Uprising. Their executive producer quit and the entire direction of the IP was up in the air.

If you think CCP Shanghai has EVER placed full attention on DUST 514 in the last 8 months your really lost.

CCP promotes their New Eden Universe... And if you don't understand how meta gaming and New Eden works in EVE.. And are trying to talk about "Fair" and "Honor" or use their "Conscience" when they are playing a CCP game or a FPS game for that matter....

Pathetic.

Beth, bless your soul for trying to speak to these GD scrubs. All they see is what they get, which is owned constantly. So you can't expect them to understand anything beyond there scope of view. And it's not there fault, and it's simply because of what you underlined earlier, CCP is to blame 100%.

Blaming people for playing a system that literally makes this game what it is is absurd. Do people enjoy pubs so much they can't be bothered to get good enough for PC?

It's your own damn fault for not getting involved, if we're passing blame around. No one abused or exploited anything in game to give them an edge - they used the same mechanics available to you, which you didn't or couldn't at the same effectiveness.

The only people who have the right to complain are the new guys who were never given the opportunity to get rich. Everyone else - you did this to yourself.

There you go to get rich... To what end? So that we can protostomp as well? The only people who agree with you are the people who joined you.

There you go to get rich... To what end? So that we can protostomp as well? The only people who agree with you are the people who joined you.

CCP promotes their New Eden Universe... And if you don't understand how meta gaming and New Eden works in EVE.. And are trying to talk about "Fair" and "Honor" or use their "Conscience" when they are playing a CCP game or a FPS game for that matter....

Pathetic.