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Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:30:00 -
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@OP:
Maybe you might remember me from earlier today with my basic templar assault and standard templar scrambler pistol against your boundless cr and proto scout.
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maybe it's not the suit that's bad? |
Floyd20 Azizora
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:32:00 -
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OP FOTM wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. Haven't you already read all the good ideas? It needs serious help against Caldari's precision. Either increase the base hack speed, or decrease the base scan profile to compensate. Perhaps you could even grant them an extra low slot alongside the PG increase. The fact is, you can't run dampening with hack speed because the Caldari scout will see you. Minja shouldn't have to use 3 complex damps just to avoid a Calamari with 2 complex precisions. High risk, low reward.
increase the base hack speed, and you might as well replace the bonus with something else(kincat pg reduction?) through that means it gets 3 bonuses in effect.
cant grant them an extra low without losing a high, meaning 3 of the scouts would have 4/2 layout. move sopmething useful to high slot instead, make them more useful(codebreakers or kincats?)
standardarise precision and damping mods, move base precision to 36 with profile at 35, that fixes the last point (before bonuses) |
mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:34:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of.
Give the suit more PG! Its insane the amount of PG required for 3 complex shields and a kincat plus that stupid cloak. You gave the suit an extra low but yet we have to fill it with a PG upgrade? We're pretty much in the same boat as before the scout buff |
Varoth Drac
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:56:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. Give the suit more PG! Its insane the amount of PG required for 3 complex shields and a kincat plus that stupid cloak. You gave the suit an extra low but yet we have to fill it with a PG upgrade? We're pretty much in the same boat as before the scout buff Before 1.8 we had to use a CPU upgrade. Or is that what you meant?
Anyway, you are right. I would prefer a pg reduction on kincats though, since we already have more CPU than other scouts.
Codebreaker pg reduction too. Personally I don't understand why they cost so much pg, I mean, surely you use computing power to hack stuff right?
Oh, and knife optimisation please.
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:02:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:mr musturd wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. Give the suit more PG! Its insane the amount of PG required for 3 complex shields and a kincat plus that stupid cloak. You gave the suit an extra low but yet we have to fill it with a PG upgrade? We're pretty much in the same boat as before the scout buff Before 1.8 we had to use a CPU upgrade. Or is that what you meant? Anyway, you are right. I would prefer a pg reduction on kincats though, since we already have more CPU than other scouts. Codebreaker pg reduction too. Personally I don't understand why they cost so much pg, I mean, surely you use computing power to hack stuff right? Oh, and knife optimisation please.
I'm saying before 1.8 we had 2 lows now we have 3 but its gotta be filled with a PG upgrade just to fit 2 kincats 3 shields and knives. |
Eko Sol
Strange Playings
487
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:07:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of.
The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout.
If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still.
I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
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IrishWebster
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
225
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of.
This kind of sh*t...
this is why we like you, dude. Lol |
Varoth Drac
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
135
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:11:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:
I'm saying before 1.8 we had 2 lows now we have 3 but its gotta be filled with a PG upgrade just to fit 2 kincats 3 shields and knives.
I know, I'm saying we only had 1 low in 1.7 because we had to fit a CPU upgrade. Not saying it's not bad now, just that it was really bad before.
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:16:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:mr musturd wrote:
I'm saying before 1.8 we had 2 lows now we have 3 but its gotta be filled with a PG upgrade just to fit 2 kincats 3 shields and knives.
I know, I'm saying we only had 1 low in 1.7 because we had to fit a CPU upgrade. Not saying it's not bad now, just that it was really bad before.
I never had to fit a CPU upgrade on my minmitar before 1.8 |
Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:19:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:mr musturd wrote:
I'm saying before 1.8 we had 2 lows now we have 3 but its gotta be filled with a PG upgrade just to fit 2 kincats 3 shields and knives.
I know, I'm saying we only had 1 low in 1.7 because we had to fit a CPU upgrade. Not saying it's not bad now, just that it was really bad before. I never had to fit a CPU upgrade on my minmitar before 1.8
Sheild HP bonuses negate any further complaining about not being able to use complex shields. Use enhanced shields and now you are an OP min scout TBH.
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:19:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout. If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still. I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous.
Yaaa your that guy that runs armor plates on his minja destroying that beautiful strafe speed so no offense but gtfo out of here your a fotm scout |
mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
563
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:23:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:mr musturd wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:mr musturd wrote:
I'm saying before 1.8 we had 2 lows now we have 3 but its gotta be filled with a PG upgrade just to fit 2 kincats 3 shields and knives.
I know, I'm saying we only had 1 low in 1.7 because we had to fit a CPU upgrade. Not saying it's not bad now, just that it was really bad before. I never had to fit a CPU upgrade on my minmitar before 1.8 Sheild HP bonuses negate any further complaining about not being able to use complex shields. Use enhanced shields and now you are an OP min scout TBH.
I'm already an OP minmitar scout but this isn't about me. Alot of people don't enjoy the minja because its a pain in the ass to fit kinkats and IMO the suit is garbage without a kinkat |
Cavani1EE7
The Rainbow Effect
108
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:24:00 -
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A PG/CPU buff would make a different
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:29:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Eko Sol wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout. If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still. I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous. Yaaa your that guy that runs armor plates on his minja destroying that beautiful strafe speed so no offense but gtfo out of here your a fotm scout
First off, you got the wrong guy. I, occasionally, run an "assault" min scout sure. But by occasional I mean maybe 5% of matches that I'm taking seriously and am not trolling around doing something else. Secondly, with ferroscale or complex reactive you aren't hurting your strafe speed. When I am running my scout I run 2x complex dampeners and a complex kinkat. This is for about 80% of all my matches I run scout. If you need 3x complex shields, 2x complex kinkats to be happy as a min scout then you suck.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
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RogueTrooper 2000AD
Neckbeard Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:34:00 -
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Venerable Phage wrote:Cat Merc wrote:It is not worse than an assault suit.
The worst scout is better than the best assault. Cats are natural predators that stalk, flank and use stealth. Of course scouts following the way of the cat are better then assaults who follow they way of the dog ie rush you, spray saliva er bullets everywhere and then hump your leg/ tea bag your corpse.
For a minute there, I was convinced that my scout required skill to use.
Service with a smile
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I do SUCK
Hired Logi's
93
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:34:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout. If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still. I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous.
Now Eko this is when we sort out the real scouts from the fake ones I say sir u sound like a fotm scout
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I do SUCK
Hired Logi's
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:38:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:mr musturd wrote:Eko Sol wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout. If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still. I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous. Yaaa your that guy that runs armor plates on his minja destroying that beautiful strafe speed so no offense but gtfo out of here your a fotm scout First off, you got the wrong guy. I, occasionally, run an "assault" min scout sure. But by occasional I mean maybe 5% of matches that I'm taking seriously and am not trolling around doing something else. Secondly, with ferroscale or complex reactive you aren't hurting your strafe speed. When I am running my scout I run 2x complex dampeners and a complex kinkat. This is for about 80% of all my matches I run scout. If you need 3x complex shields, 2x complex kinkats to be happy as a min scout then you suck.
Ugh Eko now u sound lke a dumb ass with ur pants down saying hey guys look at me I think I'm good nuff said
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:45:00 -
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I do SUCK wrote:Eko Sol wrote:mr musturd wrote:Eko Sol wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout. If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still. I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous. Yaaa your that guy that runs armor plates on his minja destroying that beautiful strafe speed so no offense but gtfo out of here your a fotm scout First off, you got the wrong guy. I, occasionally, run an "assault" min scout sure. But by occasional I mean maybe 5% of matches that I'm taking seriously and am not trolling around doing something else. Secondly, with ferroscale or complex reactive you aren't hurting your strafe speed. When I am running my scout I run 2x complex dampeners and a complex kinkat. This is for about 80% of all my matches I run scout. If you need 3x complex shields, 2x complex kinkats to be happy as a min scout then you suck. Ugh Eko now u sound lke a dumb ass with ur pants down saying hey guys look at me I think I'm good nuff said
LOL, from the guy who's tag is "I do SUCK".
I post to contribute. Wanna talk smack then fine but you are wasting space. At this point, over 8 months of playing, I've played with some or against some great vets and have done my thing. They have seen me in action. Some have seen me in PC. I've done things in this game that make me feel pretty damn good and has shaken heads. Got mail messages to prove it. I've given up on being the best and I sure as hell don't think my ADV Swarm/Magsec Amarr logi that I run around with 85% of the time now is FoTM. I mean I seriously run around with my ADV Swarm, ADV Magsec, ADV Amarr logi suit and get a 3.0 or better KDR in Dom time and time again.
Find me in pubs and do your worst. Take a video of me being FoTM or playing poorly. Get some evidence. until then you can just re read your screen name until it sinks in that it's the truth.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
2004
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:55:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of.
At best the suit could use a slight CPU and PG buff. at best.
All the other suit's have little issue fitting what is relevant... The Min scout is so tight on fitting for even the basics that your always sacrificing. |
I do SUCK
Hired Logi's
93
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:57:00 -
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Well then Eko look me up on the weekly boards rank 40 right now 1.81 KD a week now u can around with ur scrub swarm launcher in bush. Wanting to be the best get your head out of the clouds keep imagining u get a 3kd a game now how is this contributing with running armor plates on a min scout Eko tell me and callin mustard out as a sucky min player he's probably one of the best so stfu that was my final peice on the thread for u
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:59:00 -
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I do SUCK wrote:Well then Eko look me up on the weekly boards rank 40 right now 1.81 KD a week now u can around with ur scrub swarm launcher in bush. Wanting to be the best get your head out of the clouds keep imagining u get a 3kd a game now how is this contributing with running armor plates on a min scout Eko tell me and callin mustard out as a sucky min player he's probably one of the best so stfu that was my final peice on the thread for u
Weekly 40. Yeah, I've never been there myself ;)
I laughed so loud at your run on sentences that my boss noticed.
Just keep reading your screen name homie. Don't stop. Just read it until it sinks in.
EDIT:
The best min scout player I have ever seen will always be Moody. I strive for that. Unfortunately, I get too silly and goof around too much when I scout because it is incredibly boring to scout right now. The matches aren't challenging enough to warrant my top level ability.
I can't believe you called me FoTM and then I defended that and your reply was "stfu". I still can't stop laughing.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
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Al the destroyer
Last VenDetta.
Dark Taboo
149
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:00:00 -
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I think the min scout should get a bonus to reduce PG consumption of kin cats. 3% per level would be OK. I wouldn't mind if they had to take another bonus to make up for it. The PG of the suit is terribad. With the way it is now you can shield tank but you give everything else up. Don't even think about a proto weapon and shields unless you want empty slots. All other scouts are more balanced CPU and pg wise for what their roles are.
Still playing having more fun than ever cuz IDGAF.
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:03:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:I think the min scout should get a bonus to reduce PG consumption of kin cats. 3% per level would be OK. I wouldn't mind if they had to take another bonus to make up for it. The PG of the suit is terribad. With the way it is now you can shield tank but you give everything else up. Don't even think about a proto weapon and shields unless you want empty slots. All other scouts are more balanced CPU and pg wise for what their roles are.
I actually like this. Maybe a 3% reduction to biotics (this would include Myfo's and Stamina).
PSN is "Ekopalm"
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I do SUCK
Hired Logi's
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:03:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:I do SUCK wrote:Well then Eko look me up on the weekly boards rank 40 right now 1.81 KD a week now u can around with ur scrub swarm launcher in bush. Wanting to be the best get your head out of the clouds keep imagining u get a 3kd a game now how is this contributing with running armor plates on a min scout Eko tell me and callin mustard out as a sucky min player he's probably one of the best so stfu that was my final peice on the thread for u Weekly 40. Yeah, I've never been there myself ;) I laughed so loud at your run on sentences that my boss noticed. Just keep reading your screen name homie. Don't stop. Just read it until it sinks in. EDIT: The best min scout player I have ever seen will always be Moody. I strive for that. Unfortunately, I get too silly and goof around too much when I scout because it is incredibly boring to scout right now. The matches aren't challenging enough to warrant my top level ability. I can't believe you called me FoTM and then I defended that and your reply was "stfu". I still can't stop laughing.
Uh what's the big deal bout my name huh I cal it creativity  
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:14:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:... then you suck.
@ Musturd
This Eko Sol guy has trolled each and every Scout thread since 1.8.
Don't take the bait. He's only here to distract.
@ Eko Sol
Mr Musturd is the Minmatar Scout. Always has been. And here you are again, as always, across the table from someone who knows what he's talking about. How can you be wrong so consistently and not be a troll? I call shenanigans.
Shoot scout with yes...
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Texs Red
DUST University
Ivy League
340
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:34:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Appia Nappia wrote:
Stamina Regeneration is far more important than just have some huge pool of stamina. Especially since there are so many tiny ledges and other things that you have to jump over. The first jump takes 65 stamina but the second takes you down to a third and a third jump drops you to 0. The Minmatar have the fastest stamina regeneration and make Amarr Stamina tank pretty pointless.
Not on open ground. That being said, Minmatar should be burst sprinters, and Amarr should be distance runners Raise Minmatar sprint speed and reduce stamina
Perhaps I should clarify, I mean to support changing the bonus from 5% bonus to max stamina and stamina recovery per level to 20% bonus to max stamina and stamina recovery per level and 10% reduction to armor plate speed penalty per level.
Proposed level 5 Armarr scout vs Minmatar (sprint duration, stamina recovery, and max stamina)
Sprint duration: 55 seconds vs 22.5 seconds
Stamina Recovery: 80 /s vs 60 /s
Max Stamina: 550 vs 225
Sprint Speed: 7.35 vs 7.91 (Amarr with 4 Complex plates: 6.64)
Time to travel 50m sprinting: 7.53 seconds vs 6.32 seconds
Time to travel 150m sprinting: 22.59 seconds vs 18.96 seconds
So clearly the Minmatar is superior in short distance sprints, but say you need to run from one side of the research lab installation to the other? Covering a total of roughly 400m.
Time to travel 400m: 62.35 seconds vs 52.5 seconds
Minmatar are still faster. Mostly because of their 60 /s stamina recovery rate, 50% better than the base Amarr scout rate and 2x that of Gallente or Caldari scouts.
So for Amarr scouts bonus to ever be meaningful the Minmatar stamina recovery rate must come down. It's irrelevant if the Amarr scout can sprint 365m without stopping, the Minmatar will still be faster due to their general disuse of armor and their preternaturally high stamina regeneration rate. Also mind you, that is with the Amarr getting a 50% reduction to plate speed penalty.
I started writing this post with the idea that changing the bonus from 5% to 20% per level plus adding a 10% per level reduction to armor plate speed penalty so at least the Amarr scout could run down a Minmatar one but by simply doing the math I realize even with 100% increase to stamina max/recovery and a 50% reduction to plate speed penalty the Amarr scout is still inferior to the Minmatar one with *no bonuses*.
So either tweaks need to be done so that the Amarr/Minmatar scouts better mirror each other in speed/duration or a whole new idea for them needs to be conceived, with math to support ^. |
mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:45:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:mr musturd wrote:Eko Sol wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout. If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still. I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous. Yaaa your that guy that runs armor plates on his minja destroying that beautiful strafe speed so no offense but gtfo out of here your a fotm scout First off, you got the wrong guy. I, occasionally, run an "assault" min scout sure. But by occasional I mean maybe 5% of matches that I'm taking seriously and am not trolling around doing something else. Secondly, with ferroscale or complex reactive you aren't hurting your strafe speed. When I am running my scout I run 2x complex dampeners and a complex kinkat. This is for about 80% of all my matches I run scout. If you need 3x complex shields, 2x complex kinkats to be happy as a min scout then you suck.
Anything above a basic reactive will indeed drop your strafe, the suit is about knives, knives take speed, speed takes PG? See where I'm going with this? I do just fine with my minmitar but that in NO way means the suit is "fine". I run with Moody everyday trust me he'll say the same thing I said, the suit needs PG. |
Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 23:57:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Eko Sol wrote:mr musturd wrote:Eko Sol wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout. If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still. I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous. Yaaa your that guy that runs armor plates on his minja destroying that beautiful strafe speed so no offense but gtfo out of here your a fotm scout First off, you got the wrong guy. I, occasionally, run an "assault" min scout sure. But by occasional I mean maybe 5% of matches that I'm taking seriously and am not trolling around doing something else. Secondly, with ferroscale or complex reactive you aren't hurting your strafe speed. When I am running my scout I run 2x complex dampeners and a complex kinkat. This is for about 80% of all my matches I run scout. If you need 3x complex shields, 2x complex kinkats to be happy as a min scout then you suck. Anything above a basic reactive will indeed drop your strafe, the suit is about knives, knives take speed, speed takes PG? See where I'm going with this? I do just fine with my minmitar but that in NO way means the suit is "fine". I run with Moody everyday trust me he'll say the same thing I said, the suit needs PG.
I don't disagree that there is a PG shortage on some level. I just think to be a 10.33 m/s scout you should have to sacrifice some HP. With enhanced plates at 50hp, I have a huge boost on a scout suit I ran with very little total EHP (1x complex Shield). I ran one enhanced Damage mod, 1 complex SE, 2 complex kinkat, 1 complex damp. Now I can run 2 enhanced Shields with the damage mod. Yes, I was paper thin. Yes, it is a specialized fit. But that fit Solo'd two tanks (destroyed both) post 1.8 but pre A-Hotfix. An ADS was aiming at me and trying to take me out. AND A skilled Cal Scout was after me. All in a PC. 3 to 5 more PG or even 10 would make my life easier for sure. But I just don't NEED it to enjoy being a Min Scout or to do well.
Sorry I said you sucked. Well, I'm not sorry. I'm actually quite irritated bc all of the complaining about AV has now destroyed any semblance of balance that previously existed. B/C of how CCP has handled things in the past, I have a sneaky suspicion that they will overbuff the min scout. So I took it out on you in worries that the min scout will get a boost in EVERYTHING and suddenly it's going to be another overbuff thing by CCP.
To anyone that thinks I am a troll. I have put a contributing piece of info every time I post. Then I'm suddenly attacked and told I wear armor plates or some other nonsense. Than I am told I am a troll.
I think it is valid to say that the Min Scout is fine. I guess I should define fine. Fine, to me, is defined as NOT being under Powered. If it isn't UP then I don't think it's critical to look into. I don't think it is on the level of other scouts in a lot of ways but by no means does it mean it is UP. I like two things mentioned:
1) Decrease CPU/PG requirements by 1%, 2%, or 3% for Biotic Modules
2) Increase PG by "x" amount
3) (Obviously Mine but I can understand why people dislike it) a greater hack bonus
To justify number 3 I will say that part of speed tanking is getting a hack fast and getting out. Running less HP total would be much better if I wasn't so vulnerable for the hack (i.e. just a 50% bonus between all passives is insufficient IMO). I would like to get in and get out. If that isn't something on the table then allowing me to have more HP would be fine (i.e. increased PG).
This isn't me retracting my statement of min scouts being fine. This is my input on changes, if any are to be made, that I believe are acceptable. I think I have contributed often enough, helped enough Newbs in game, and have played effectively enough in PC and Pubs to share my opinion. I have 25 mil SP that isn't wasted anywhere.
If you REALLY believe me to be a troll then join me in the game when you see me on. I've offered this numerous times and then no one takes me up on it. Just send an in game message with Eve Time you will be on and we can work it out. I promise, if you aren't a complete D when on the mic then You'll like rolling with me. Just deal with the occasional rant (i.e that F$#@ sprint glitch). That and don't get on my case too much about my Incubus Piloting. I am still new to it.
To Summarize. I don't think the Min Scout is UP enough to warrant so much attention. I think every thread should for balance should be put back on AV balance again so that Charlie Hot Fix can fix it. It is in the worst shape it has ever been.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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VALCORE72 wrote:lol TBH the hole scout skill in dust has done more damage then you know . scouts are for SCOUTING .recon .snipping . uplink placement hacking depos and objectives . mobile short range radar . not this assassination suit that EVERYONE runs . they should be war point farmers like logies . the suits and skills need to reflect there battle field roles . this freedom of do whatever you want has hurt the game more then you know or ppl want to admit . cloak should have been for commando only hench the word commando . reskill the trees to reflect there numbers on the field would be good . assaults fastest easyest to get going to heavys longest and hardest to do .going from 1.5mill sp assault to 5mill sp heavys .please rethink what and how you want on the field
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"Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!"
-Buzz Kill
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Alldin Kan wrote:How about we change the topic to how to nerf scouts?
Says the heavy tank driving ADS pilot....
"Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!"
-Buzz Kill
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