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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.23 04:49:00 -
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Can I have a respec? The suit is terrible, worse than an assault suit. I really want a cal scout so instead of being the one on everyones scans, I can scan everyone.
The min scout is ridiculously bad and underperforms even compared to an amarr scout due to its lack of, well, everything. Please buff this suit sometime, its ridiculous how terrible it is versus cal scout+ sentinel spam that seems to be the new meta
Id really like if CCP either
a) fixed the suit to be viable (preferably a move speed bonus)
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b) deleted the suit and gave everyone who was stupid enough to spec into it a full refund.
It was only viable when the cloaks could actually do something, but because it can't fit past a basic cloak, its worse than useless, esp. versus caldari scouts who see a red little reticle right above your head at all times even in your "invisible" cloak
Can i just get my SP back to spec something more viable like plasma cannons and breach flay locks?
What all Minjas are thinking as they play...
Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:04:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Maybe change the hack bonus to 10% per level?
That doesn't fix the problem...the problem with the suit is that it has the lowest shield/armor of any suit in the game, and has no Ewar bonus, therefore needs to be more mobile to account for that, which it quite simply isn't. Add that to the fact that in any competitive environment that you will be perm scanned if you want to put on a codebreaker/armor rep per/kincat, and even scanned with triple damps, the suit really is not very appetizing. Theres a reason Moody no longer runs min scout in PC and has switched over to Caldari.
To fix the scout it needs to be able to-
-Run very fast(>10.5 m/s) or hack very fast (under 4 seconds)
-AND be dampened enough to dodge caldari scans
What all Minjas are thinking as they play...
Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:13:00 -
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Chimichanga66605 wrote:Why does everyone think this suit is broken? I do just fine with it & have ZERO problem fitting whatever I want on it. It's the epitome of a suit where you "pick your fights," its that simple.
The suit isn't meant to go up against other scouts, so don't go hunting other scouts.
The suit isn't meant to go toe-to-toe with heavies (unless your a skilled Nova Knifer) so don't go toe-to-toe with heavies.
The suit EXCELS at taking out EVERY medium suit you'll go up against, so use it to go after mediums.
To me its that simple.
CCP Ratatti, I've never asked anything of you, so for the love of Beer & Tacos PLEEEAAASE leave my scout alone. I honestly think its fine where it is.
Question: Have you ever played a PC, and if so, did you use a minmitar scout?
What all Minjas are thinking as they play...
Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:22:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:I never had more fun in this game than when using Minmatar scouts.
I honestly don't know what everybody is doing wrong. You need to get good.
You deleted your character before the caldari scout spam. Thats what everyone is doing wrong, is trying to fight caldari scouts
What all Minjas are thinking as they play...
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:53:00 -
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Also, in Adipem's spread sheet, Rattati, I would recommend looking through the discarded ideas tab, just in case there is something there that you like
What all Minjas are thinking as they play...
Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.24 00:03:00 -
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VALCORE72 wrote:lol TBH the hole scout skill in dust has done more damage then you know . scouts are for SCOUTING .recon .snipping . uplink placement hacking depos and objectives . mobile short range radar . not this assassination suit that EVERYONE runs . they should be war point farmers like logies . the suits and skills need to reflect there battle field roles . this freedom of do whatever you want has hurt the game more then you know or ppl want to admit . cloak should have been for commando only hench the word commando . reskill the trees to reflect there numbers on the field would be good . assaults fastest easyest to get going to heavys longest and hardest to do .going from 1.5mill sp assault to 5mill sp heavys .please rethink what and how you want on the field
No.
"Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!"
-Buzz Kill
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.24 00:06:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:How about we change the topic to how to nerf scouts?
Says the heavy tank driving ADS pilot....
"Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!"
-Buzz Kill
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.24 00:10:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:@OP:
Maybe you might remember me from earlier today with my basic templar assault and standard templar scrambler pistol against your boundless cr and proto scout.
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maybe it's not the suit that's bad?
Ya lol i was trying to NK on manus peak....and evey time id see you id run up close and pull out my NKs and you would backpedal...so lol
EDIT: I generally only run SG, so don't bring up the whole "your bad" thing. well see what happens when i run my shotty fit lol. Also, my 290 hp fit can get one shot by a ScrP headshot, so congrats bro
"Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!"
-Buzz Kill
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.24 03:16:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Greasepalms wrote:@OP:
Maybe you might remember me from earlier today with my basic templar assault and standard templar scrambler pistol against your boundless cr and proto scout.
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maybe it's not the suit that's bad? Ya lol i was trying to NK on manus peak....and evey time id see you id run up close and pull out my NKs and you would backpedal...so lol EDIT: I generally only run SG, so don't bring up the whole "your bad" thing. well see what happens when i run my shotty fit lol. Also, my 290 hp fit can get one shot by a ScrP headshot, so congrats bro. not trying to chest thump, just pointing out that a scout strafing that fast and with a proto cr ,nonetheless, should never lose in the situations we fought under.
In the time it takes me to switch to my CR from my nova knives after you start jump backpedaling, you should have killed me with a ScrP....which didn't really happen....(note: I also am a mega scrub)
But enough of this, this is a stupid thing to argue about, esp. in this thread.
Right now the topic is what can make the min scout more viable for competitive play.
"Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!"
-Buzz Kill
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.24 03:22:00 -
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Possible solutions compilation from what people have posted so far:
Conservative:
-Raise the PG on the suit to accommodate the PG intensive modules it must fit
-Change one of the bonuses to PG reduction on biotic modules
-Boost hacking bonus to 10%+
Moderate:
-Change a bonus to biotic module efficacy
-Increase base sprint speed
Liberal:
-Change a bonus to movement metrics (i.e. movement speed) bonus
-Change a bonus to sprint speed bonus
Will add more when i find them/when they are added by ppl
"Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!"
-Buzz Kill
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.26 14:55:00 -
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knight guard fury wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Brokerib wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. Change the hack bonus to an inherent suit bonus (remove 5% to hacking a level, make base hack speed 1.3) Add a 5% a level increase to kin cat module efficiency Retain the nova knife bonus Add 10 PG Maths for movement: First module = 15.75% Total = +15.75% Speed = 9.6m/s Second module = 13.69% Total = +31.59% Speed = 10.9m/s Third module = 8.99% Total = +43.42% Speed = 11.9m/s ignore these._will not make min scout more competitive We're still screwed when it comes to Cal hyper-scanners, but at least we can be definitively the fastest suit, can actually fit kin cats, and retain the ability to speed hack. that IMO is a bad idea to remove the hacking bonus, but i agree with the pg buff. if you think about it the min scout need that bonus because it is the first to get in and the first to get out so hacking is very essentil to the min scouts survival. as a minmatar scout you depend on: movement hacking speed isolated or small groups of targets traveling on foot for less attention depending on his/her weapons for being engaged by a target
Its not removing the bonus, its making the bonus part of the suit (so you hack at max level on all suits), and then buffing the suit bonus by making it a biotic module effectiveness
"Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!"
-Buzz Kill
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