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Eko Sol
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:07:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of.
The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout.
If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still.
I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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Eko Sol
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:19:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:mr musturd wrote:
I'm saying before 1.8 we had 2 lows now we have 3 but its gotta be filled with a PG upgrade just to fit 2 kincats 3 shields and knives.
I know, I'm saying we only had 1 low in 1.7 because we had to fit a CPU upgrade. Not saying it's not bad now, just that it was really bad before. I never had to fit a CPU upgrade on my minmitar before 1.8
Sheild HP bonuses negate any further complaining about not being able to use complex shields. Use enhanced shields and now you are an OP min scout TBH.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:29:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Eko Sol wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout. If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still. I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous. Yaaa your that guy that runs armor plates on his minja destroying that beautiful strafe speed so no offense but gtfo out of here your a fotm scout
First off, you got the wrong guy. I, occasionally, run an "assault" min scout sure. But by occasional I mean maybe 5% of matches that I'm taking seriously and am not trolling around doing something else. Secondly, with ferroscale or complex reactive you aren't hurting your strafe speed. When I am running my scout I run 2x complex dampeners and a complex kinkat. This is for about 80% of all my matches I run scout. If you need 3x complex shields, 2x complex kinkats to be happy as a min scout then you suck.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:45:00 -
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I do SUCK wrote:Eko Sol wrote:mr musturd wrote:Eko Sol wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout. If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still. I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous. Yaaa your that guy that runs armor plates on his minja destroying that beautiful strafe speed so no offense but gtfo out of here your a fotm scout First off, you got the wrong guy. I, occasionally, run an "assault" min scout sure. But by occasional I mean maybe 5% of matches that I'm taking seriously and am not trolling around doing something else. Secondly, with ferroscale or complex reactive you aren't hurting your strafe speed. When I am running my scout I run 2x complex dampeners and a complex kinkat. This is for about 80% of all my matches I run scout. If you need 3x complex shields, 2x complex kinkats to be happy as a min scout then you suck. Ugh Eko now u sound lke a dumb ass with ur pants down saying hey guys look at me I think I'm good nuff said
LOL, from the guy who's tag is "I do SUCK".
I post to contribute. Wanna talk smack then fine but you are wasting space. At this point, over 8 months of playing, I've played with some or against some great vets and have done my thing. They have seen me in action. Some have seen me in PC. I've done things in this game that make me feel pretty damn good and has shaken heads. Got mail messages to prove it. I've given up on being the best and I sure as hell don't think my ADV Swarm/Magsec Amarr logi that I run around with 85% of the time now is FoTM. I mean I seriously run around with my ADV Swarm, ADV Magsec, ADV Amarr logi suit and get a 3.0 or better KDR in Dom time and time again.
Find me in pubs and do your worst. Take a video of me being FoTM or playing poorly. Get some evidence. until then you can just re read your screen name until it sinks in that it's the truth.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:59:00 -
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I do SUCK wrote:Well then Eko look me up on the weekly boards rank 40 right now 1.81 KD a week now u can around with ur scrub swarm launcher in bush. Wanting to be the best get your head out of the clouds keep imagining u get a 3kd a game now how is this contributing with running armor plates on a min scout Eko tell me and callin mustard out as a sucky min player he's probably one of the best so stfu that was my final peice on the thread for u
Weekly 40. Yeah, I've never been there myself ;)
I laughed so loud at your run on sentences that my boss noticed.
Just keep reading your screen name homie. Don't stop. Just read it until it sinks in.
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The best min scout player I have ever seen will always be Moody. I strive for that. Unfortunately, I get too silly and goof around too much when I scout because it is incredibly boring to scout right now. The matches aren't challenging enough to warrant my top level ability.
I can't believe you called me FoTM and then I defended that and your reply was "stfu". I still can't stop laughing.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:03:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:I think the min scout should get a bonus to reduce PG consumption of kin cats. 3% per level would be OK. I wouldn't mind if they had to take another bonus to make up for it. The PG of the suit is terribad. With the way it is now you can shield tank but you give everything else up. Don't even think about a proto weapon and shields unless you want empty slots. All other scouts are more balanced CPU and pg wise for what their roles are.
I actually like this. Maybe a 3% reduction to biotics (this would include Myfo's and Stamina).
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.23 23:57:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Eko Sol wrote:mr musturd wrote:Eko Sol wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Come up with smart, simple ways to "fix" it, we'll listen. No complete overhaul of skills, or slots. What does it already have, that would make it competitive if it only had a little bit more of. The suit is fine in general. I must admit a slightly higher hack speed would be nice so that we can still hack relatively quickly but without having to still pop in a hack module. Maybe a base 7% per level in Min Scout. If you don't do anything, the suit is fine still. I just can't shake the feeling that a slightly higher hack would make them more dangerous. Yaaa your that guy that runs armor plates on his minja destroying that beautiful strafe speed so no offense but gtfo out of here your a fotm scout First off, you got the wrong guy. I, occasionally, run an "assault" min scout sure. But by occasional I mean maybe 5% of matches that I'm taking seriously and am not trolling around doing something else. Secondly, with ferroscale or complex reactive you aren't hurting your strafe speed. When I am running my scout I run 2x complex dampeners and a complex kinkat. This is for about 80% of all my matches I run scout. If you need 3x complex shields, 2x complex kinkats to be happy as a min scout then you suck. Anything above a basic reactive will indeed drop your strafe, the suit is about knives, knives take speed, speed takes PG? See where I'm going with this? I do just fine with my minmitar but that in NO way means the suit is "fine". I run with Moody everyday trust me he'll say the same thing I said, the suit needs PG.
I don't disagree that there is a PG shortage on some level. I just think to be a 10.33 m/s scout you should have to sacrifice some HP. With enhanced plates at 50hp, I have a huge boost on a scout suit I ran with very little total EHP (1x complex Shield). I ran one enhanced Damage mod, 1 complex SE, 2 complex kinkat, 1 complex damp. Now I can run 2 enhanced Shields with the damage mod. Yes, I was paper thin. Yes, it is a specialized fit. But that fit Solo'd two tanks (destroyed both) post 1.8 but pre A-Hotfix. An ADS was aiming at me and trying to take me out. AND A skilled Cal Scout was after me. All in a PC. 3 to 5 more PG or even 10 would make my life easier for sure. But I just don't NEED it to enjoy being a Min Scout or to do well.
Sorry I said you sucked. Well, I'm not sorry. I'm actually quite irritated bc all of the complaining about AV has now destroyed any semblance of balance that previously existed. B/C of how CCP has handled things in the past, I have a sneaky suspicion that they will overbuff the min scout. So I took it out on you in worries that the min scout will get a boost in EVERYTHING and suddenly it's going to be another overbuff thing by CCP.
To anyone that thinks I am a troll. I have put a contributing piece of info every time I post. Then I'm suddenly attacked and told I wear armor plates or some other nonsense. Than I am told I am a troll.
I think it is valid to say that the Min Scout is fine. I guess I should define fine. Fine, to me, is defined as NOT being under Powered. If it isn't UP then I don't think it's critical to look into. I don't think it is on the level of other scouts in a lot of ways but by no means does it mean it is UP. I like two things mentioned:
1) Decrease CPU/PG requirements by 1%, 2%, or 3% for Biotic Modules
2) Increase PG by "x" amount
3) (Obviously Mine but I can understand why people dislike it) a greater hack bonus
To justify number 3 I will say that part of speed tanking is getting a hack fast and getting out. Running less HP total would be much better if I wasn't so vulnerable for the hack (i.e. just a 50% bonus between all passives is insufficient IMO). I would like to get in and get out. If that isn't something on the table then allowing me to have more HP would be fine (i.e. increased PG).
This isn't me retracting my statement of min scouts being fine. This is my input on changes, if any are to be made, that I believe are acceptable. I think I have contributed often enough, helped enough Newbs in game, and have played effectively enough in PC and Pubs to share my opinion. I have 25 mil SP that isn't wasted anywhere.
If you REALLY believe me to be a troll then join me in the game when you see me on. I've offered this numerous times and then no one takes me up on it. Just send an in game message with Eve Time you will be on and we can work it out. I promise, if you aren't a complete D when on the mic then You'll like rolling with me. Just deal with the occasional rant (i.e that F$#@ sprint glitch). That and don't get on my case too much about my Incubus Piloting. I am still new to it.
To Summarize. I don't think the Min Scout is UP enough to warrant so much attention. I think every thread should for balance should be put back on AV balance again so that Charlie Hot Fix can fix it. It is in the worst shape it has ever been.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.24 00:12:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Eko Sol wrote:
Yes, it is a specialized fit. But that fit Solo'd two tanks (destroyed both) post 1.8 but pre A-Hotfix.
Is the rest of your accomplishments based upon pre alpha 1.8? I was fine pre alpha, it was the cloak dampening nerf that hit us hardest. And all to fix a tanking problem that still exists. I know I have found the suit unplayable since alpha, and in the worst state I have seen it in my 1.25 years in the suit. That could be because it was in the best place it had been just prior to alpha, but given the current state of play, it is definitely UP. It is especially UP at the std and adv levels, which also need to factor in. We can't just say that all those who can't afford proto should not play minjas, that is unreasonable.
Hmmm, I'll agree that I had to make a change on that fit deal with the fact I went from 60 seconds cloaked to 30 seconds cloaked.
I will say that I when 1.8 happened I was ADV min Scout for about 3 weeks and pulled off a lot of great stuff IMO. I only run it occasionally since I dabble in other things when I am saving ISK.
I think I might have to look at it again. I never put a kinkat on it though. Always 2x complex dampeners. I always run that except for 2 speed fits. one of which is the one I described.
Although I was cloaked less I was less detectable by Cal scouts so, for me and my style, I saw no difference with the cloak nerf in that the cal nerf was just enough to help me go undetected with 2x complex dampeners.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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