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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:35:00 -
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Ok CCP, it looks to me that it HAS to be obvious that we want our vehicle variants back. Marauders, Enforcers, logi LAVs and DS, scout LAVs, etc. This is the thread to get your attention. No one I've met has said no to having them back. This is the petition for getting them back. If you agree with having our variants back and making vehicles on the battlefield unique again, sign below and give your reason for wanting them back. I have a few myself.
#1. Makes the difference between a 20 mill SP tanker and a 0 SP tanker much better.
#2. Makes vehicle usage non-boring, i mean really. How many vehicle fittings are out there that are actually viable? Everyone uses the exact same stuff. At least this will give us a little bit of variety in fittings by having more slots to use.
#3. Makes balancing AV vs. Tanks much easier. Pro AV vs. The better hulls with proto modules, adv AV for the better hulls with basic mods or basic tanks with proto mods, basic AV for basic hulls with basic mods, etc.
#4. Gives a reason to nerf mlt vehicles into the ground. With more than two types of hulls, we can actually make mlt mlt instead of being std with one less slot.
Please guys, lets get our vehicles back. Even you infantry guys, help us out. Imagine if you had at most three different types of suits for use. It would suck wouldn't it?
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
35
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:38:00 -
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This could also be combined with the re-introduction of vehicle mods. Heat sinks, chassis, Rechargers, supplemental stuff etc. CCP said all of this would return months ago, never heard anything since
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5374
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:46:00 -
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I believe their removal was about rethinking vehicle roles, obviously black ops HAVs, marauders, and enforcers weren't working as intended, so they were all removed in turn.
I never saw a black ops HAV in the field (probably because they cost an arm, a leg, and several fucktons of SP), and enforcers were declared useless by the community.
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
36
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:51:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I believe their removal was about rethinking vehicle roles, obviously black ops HAVs, marauders, and enforcers weren't working as intended, so they were all removed in turn.
I never saw a black ops HAV in the field (probably because they cost an arm, a leg, and several fucktons of SP), and enforcers were declared useless by the community.
Yes, this is true. But, that doesn't mean that in the past 6 months they couldn't of thought of more uses for them. Enforcers- high damage, lower survivability. Marauders- low damage, high survivability. Why not?
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11011
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:53:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I believe their removal was about rethinking vehicle roles, obviously black ops HAVs, marauders, and enforcers weren't working as intended, so they were all removed in turn.
I never saw a black ops HAV in the field (probably because they cost an arm, a leg, and several fucktons of SP), and enforcers were declared useless by the community.
Would you rather have 3 kinds of specialised tanks or one.......
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
9739
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:53:00 -
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LLAVs would go quite nicely with the HP/s nerf of Armor Repairers, as it would create an incentive to use teamwork, and would serve as a true Support Vehicle.
I want SLAVs back, as their high-speed not only made them ideal for transport when you need to break past enemy lines, but it was also a fun thing to use in races. The LDSs should be re-introduced because it would be the ideal gunship for those who want to support Infantry troops.
It should also be noted that these items still exist in this game.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
-HAND
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Michael Arck
4830
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:56:00 -
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I don't know man. I still have nightmares about the LLAV. I see a yellow Camaro with black racing stripes and I have a burning desire to bash it with a baseball bat.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
36
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:56:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I believe their removal was about rethinking vehicle roles, obviously black ops HAVs, marauders, and enforcers weren't working as intended, so they were all removed in turn.
I never saw a black ops HAV in the field (probably because they cost an arm, a leg, and several fucktons of SP), and enforcers were declared useless by the community. Would you rather have 3 kinds of specialised tanks or one.......
This.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11012
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:00:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
I want SLAVEs back, as their high-efficiency not only made them ideal for menial labour when you need a break in the afternoon, but it was also a fun thing to use the lesser races. The Low Down Slavess should be re-introduced because the would be the ideal workforce for those who want to support Imperial troops.
It should also be noted that these prodicts still exist in this game.
We'll make a fine Imperial out of you yet Atiim!
((Goddamnit Atiim you make it far to easy to misquote you))
However I agree with the sentiments of both the original post and the misquoted post entirely.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
36
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:03:00 -
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Alright so come on guys, tell anyone you know who agrees with this to sign this petition. CCP needs to see this.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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Takahashi Kashuken
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:04:00 -
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Atiim wrote:LLAVs would go quite nicely with the HP/s nerf of Armor Repairers, as it would create an incentive to use teamwork, and would serve as a true Support Vehicle.
I want SLAVs back, as their high-speed not only made them ideal for transport when you need to break past enemy lines, but it was also a fun thing to use in races. The LDSs should be re-introduced because it would be the ideal gunship for those who want to support Infantry troops.
It should also be noted that these items still exist in this game. And before you say anything True, no I will not join the Amarr Empire in hopes of obtaining SLAVEs.
But you wanted this
You wanted vehicles to be nerfed until they became nothing but useless again
You cried and cried and cried until we had less vehicles, modules, skills and even then it wasnt enough and look at what we have now
We have less than nothing, we had nerfed hulls with mods which are not worth putting on while our turrets barely work
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1204
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:04:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote: and enforcers were declared useless by the community.
Only **** tankers thought that the Falchion or Vayu were useless.
In the right situation, they were unstoppable.
99% of players couldn't put it all together if they tried.
Although I am pretty sure that there was only Alpha and myself running Vayus. Although he ran a more traditional, whereas I went for the Hybrid variety.
Tankers who didn't use the Enforcers missed out.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11012
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:07:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote: and enforcers were declared useless by the community. Only **** tankers thought that the Falchion or Vayu were useless. In the right situation, they were unstoppable. 99% of players couldn't put it all together if they tried. Although I am pretty sure that there was only Alpha and myself running Vayus. Although he ran a more traditional, whereas I went for the Hybrid variety. Tankers who didn't use the Enforcers missed out.
I know I did, but at the time was putting SP into fitting skills and developing my cores so I could complete with most other Maddy's.
I missed out on both Marauders and Enforcers.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
9740
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:08:00 -
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Takahashi Kashuken wrote:
But you wanted this
That's a strawman fallacy, but good attempt at trolling.
Takahashi Kashuken wrote:You wanted vehicles to be nerfed until they became nothing but useless again
You cried and cried and cried until we had less vehicles, modules, skills and even then it wasnt enough and look at what we have now
Link a quote of me asking for vehicles to be nerfed before these variants were removed or this is not only fallacious drivel, but the ramblings of a drunkard trying to find a scapegoat as well.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
-HAND
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Michael Arck
4830
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:09:00 -
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I say no because what's the use when they will just be complained about and nerfed into nothing anyway by the community?
Again, another situation where community cried nerf and then changes their mind later on, completely forgetting that they brought about the change in the first place.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
36
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:15:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I say no because what's the use when they will just be complained about and nerfed into nothing anyway by the community?
Again, another situation where community cried nerf and then changes their mind later on, completely forgetting that they brought about the change in the first place.
I don't even care if they are hard to use. That was what tanking was fun about back in the day. You were in a 2 million isk tank that was easy to lose. It made every tank matter.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11015
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:18:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:Michael Arck wrote:I say no because what's the use when they will just be complained about and nerfed into nothing anyway by the community?
Again, another situation where community cried nerf and then changes their mind later on, completely forgetting that they brought about the change in the first place.
I don't even care if they are hard to use. That was what tanking was fun about back in the day. You were in a 2 million isk tank that was easy to lose. It made every tank matter.
Yeah but no HAV could or should cost 2 Million ISK.... I mean I could have fit out a Tormentor for interstellar flight for to the cost of a well fit Madrugar back then.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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Michael Arck
4831
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:19:00 -
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There is no place for them. With the current playerbase, those vehicles will just be complained about. Do you not see folks crying about tanks in Ambush to have them removed only for Judge to tell people to leave those matches? Folks crying about more tanks being in objective maps and wanting to limit the amount that can be called in?
Vehicle discussion is such a hot topic. Adding more fuel to the fire (vehicles) won't help. We don't need to see those vehicles until Legion comes around.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
9743
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:
I want SLAVEs back, as their high-efficiency not only made them ideal for menial labour when you need a break in the afternoon, but it was also a fun thing to use the lesser races. The Low Down Slavess should be re-introduced because the would be the ideal workforce for those who want to support Imperial troops.
It should also be noted that these prodicts still exist in this game.
We'll make a fine Imperial out of you yet Atiim!
*Sigh*
While your determination is admirable, I'm going to decline your offer... again... for like the 5th time.
I want SLAVs, not SLAVEs.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
-HAND
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1205
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
I know I did, but at the time was putting SP into fitting skills and developing my cores so I could complete with most other Maddy's.
I missed out on both Marauders and Enforcers.
That was back when even normal tanks required real team work to keep alive.
But once you put a LLAV behind a decent driver, it was game over for the enemy until the realized what was going on. If you played smart and protected your LLAV then you became a very formidable threat, which was something most of the infantry at that time had not seen.
Some of my highest levels of enjoyment came from those games. Myself, Ted Nugget and Thundergroove running two Charybdii and an enforcer. Between the murder taxi kills, the tank ripping everything up, and being able to sit in a nOB while under rep, it was ******* EPIC.
Teamwork has always been OP, but never more than with those days. You had to work together, play smart, and spend a ton of ISK to do it, but damn was it ever fun.
Shame they had to go and screw it all up after that instead of just SLIGHTLY nerfing AV like I had suggested for months before the vehicle rework.
These forums will be funny in 6 months when tanks get rebuffed due to them being unused.
Oh wait, that would require players, and since everyone wants infantry to dominate, tankers will just vacate to go to games that support a more full combat experience.
Now it is crappy CoD in space, and that is about as fun as it sounds.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5376
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:20:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I believe their removal was about rethinking vehicle roles, obviously black ops HAVs, marauders, and enforcers weren't working as intended, so they were all removed in turn.
I never saw a black ops HAV in the field (probably because they cost an arm, a leg, and several fucktons of SP), and enforcers were declared useless by the community. Yes, this is true. But, that doesn't mean that in the past 6 months they couldn't of thought of more uses for them. Enforcers- high damage, lower survivability. Marauders- low damage, high survivability. Why not?
Enforces are actually long range, low survivability, while marauders are just plain high damage, nothing else.
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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
9743
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:20:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I say no because what's the use when they will just be complained about and nerfed into nothing anyway by the community?
Again, another situation where community cried nerf and then changes their mind later on, completely forgetting that they brought about the change in the first place.
I know your hell-bent on bashing the community, but could you put something other than lies and drivel while doing so?
Nobody asked for those vehicles removed, it was actually CCP's decision. Heck, I remember people crying to keep them in the game. Why else do you think ADSs are still here?
I want SLAVs, not SLAVEs.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
-HAND
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
38
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:23:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:DarthJT5 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I believe their removal was about rethinking vehicle roles, obviously black ops HAVs, marauders, and enforcers weren't working as intended, so they were all removed in turn.
I never saw a black ops HAV in the field (probably because they cost an arm, a leg, and several fucktons of SP), and enforcers were declared useless by the community. Yes, this is true. But, that doesn't mean that in the past 6 months they couldn't of thought of more uses for them. Enforcers- high damage, lower survivability. Marauders- low damage, high survivability. Why not? Enforces are actually long range, low survivability, while marauders are just plain high damage, nothing else.
Yes. But people complained that was useless, so I was brain storming. I think they were fine, but others did not.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1655
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:28:00 -
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I do not want Logistic vehicles without proper and viable logistic modules and/or turrets to make them actual support vehicles. Not just tankier versions of STD frames.
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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
9743
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:31:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:I do not want Logistic vehicles without proper and viable logistic modules and/or turrets to make them actual support vehicles. Not just tankier versions of STD frames.
I'd like a return of the Shield/Armor Transporters, as well as a "Nanohive Module" that would re-supply vehicles with ammunition..
Not only is that good for content creation and encourages teamwork, it solves the issue of Supply Depots being inaccessible to vehicles as well.
I want SLAVs, not SLAVEs.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
-HAND
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
38
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:I do not want Logistic vehicles without proper and viable logistic modules and/or turrets to make them actual support vehicles. Not just tankier versions of STD frames. I'd like a return of the Shield/Armor Transporters, as well as a "Nanohive Module" that would re-supply vehicles with ammunition.. Not only is that good for content creation and encourages teamwork, it solves the issue of Supply Depots being inaccessible to vehicles as well.
I noticed you changed your sig. I wonder why....
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
704
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:49:00 -
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my thoughts on it as a lav user wishing for more varation.
scout lav's faster less ehp bounus to scan time.
llav's slower more ehp have a triage hive attached. bounus to triage.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11019
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Posted - 2014.06.23 01:14:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:DarthJT5 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I believe their removal was about rethinking vehicle roles, obviously black ops HAVs, marauders, and enforcers weren't working as intended, so they were all removed in turn.
I never saw a black ops HAV in the field (probably because they cost an arm, a leg, and several fucktons of SP), and enforcers were declared useless by the community. Yes, this is true. But, that doesn't mean that in the past 6 months they couldn't of thought of more uses for them. Enforcers- high damage, lower survivability. Marauders- low damage, high survivability. Why not? Enforces are actually long range, low survivability, while marauders are just plain high damage, nothing else.
Which is actually the opposite of how they should be.
Marauders traditionally in New Eden are designed to cycle in and out of Bastion Mode, increasing their defensive capacity and abilities to engage targets, but sacrificing their mobility and utility.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
44
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Posted - 2014.06.23 01:23:00 -
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This is what Charlie should be about. If they can't do it for Charlie for some odd reason then Delta, at the latest.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11024
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Posted - 2014.06.23 01:58:00 -
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Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:
I want SLAVEs back, as their high-efficiency not only made them ideal for menial labour when you need a break in the afternoon, but it was also a fun thing to use the lesser races. The Low Down Slavess should be re-introduced because the would be the ideal workforce for those who want to support Imperial troops.
It should also be noted that these prodicts still exist in this game.
We'll make a fine Imperial out of you yet Atiim! *Sigh* While your determination is admirable, I'm going to decline your offer... again... for like the 5th time.
I can save you if you let me. Even and Apostate like you has the love of God......even if you don't understand the significance of that now.....the rest of your life, and your children's lives in slavery should allow your family to understand the truth of Gods great benevolence.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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