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Adicto One
1.U.P
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:11:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I believe their removal was about rethinking vehicle roles, obviously black ops HAVs, marauders, and enforcers weren't working as intended, so they were all removed in turn.
I never saw a black ops HAV in the field (probably because they cost an arm, a leg, and several fucktons of SP), and enforcers were declared useless by the community.
My Vayu exceeded by far the maddy of The Legend345, Covert Clay, SGT NOVA STAR... and all those who now feel their ions PRO.
were not useless as all said ...
AddictPunk
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
99
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:11:00 -
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Buuuuuummmmmppppp
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
99
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:16:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:A standing point is that the current vehicles are pretty much "better than proto" grade compared to infantry. I'd not expect to get more powerful vehicles than what exist now. Different, perhaps, but not better.
Notice i said variation, not better. The tank variants would be better in some ways, worse in other, but not just flat out better. I want tanking to not be boring anymore.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
1065
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:19:00 -
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Yeah, my Forge needs more of a challenge.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
105
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:34:00 -
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Like it or not, this is getting on the front page every day till we are awnsered. Bump.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:38:00 -
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More is better, and it's not like you have to skill into it.
My other car is Utena
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
174
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:40:00 -
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Bring it back
https://fireden.net/4chan/images.4chan.org//vg/src/1367152522702.jpg
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
274
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:46:00 -
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I truly believe that the logi lav could be brought back and not be the murder taxi it was is the past. When they were first introduced to Dust 514 it was at a time when AV had been nerfed into the ground to the point that a militia tank was nearly unkillable.
With the way AV is today i highly believe that the logi lav could be a huge asset on the battle field. |
MetalWolf-Cell
ROGUE RELICS
VP Gaming Alliance
18
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:03:00 -
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If I'm not mistaken, does the white tank (I believe its the Vayu) have a different turret? 
It looks like it in the picture.
DUST 514/LEGION
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
274
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:50:00 -
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MetalWolf-Cell wrote:If I'm not mistaken, does the white tank (I believe its the Vayu) have a different turret? It looks like it in the picture.
nope but it gave a bonus to large blaster turrets.
the turrets you use on it are the exact same as the rest of them |
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2695
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:18:00 -
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To the top.
Bring These Back
i Tanker Turned Ads Pilot !
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
218
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Posted - 2014.08.30 19:01:00 -
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Signing petiton.
Give us our vehicle variants back. the game has been so boring as far as vehicles are concerned. it would make AV interesting again as well.
Every suit Gk.0 <3
Gallente Federation Patriot
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Riptalis
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
56
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Posted - 2014.08.30 19:32:00 -
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I want my Eryx back!
Logistics ak.0
Python pilot
PSN: Riptalis
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2695
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Posted - 2014.08.30 21:03:00 -
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Riptalis wrote:I want my Eryx back!
If you have a python, Rename your fitting to Eryx. You will survive more in it with that name.
Bring These Back
i Tanker Turned Ads Pilot !
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saxonmish
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
335
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:20:00 -
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I just miss my Vayu so much here's some pics of my vehicles
https://i.imgur.com/6Cl7YPZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/80VYTGM.jpg
:'(
SLAYER.
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2696
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:22:00 -
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You were there?
Roles mastered- HAV/ADS/LDS/Forum Lord/Working on Assault
Pinned down? Let my tank scatter enemies for you v(^_^)v
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
274
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:29:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:ill never support more vehicles unless theres a direct counter with equivalent tiers of av.
militia av should always be better than militia tanks.
same for basic, adv, or pro.
its anti vehicle.
the counter to av is infantry not vehicles. your tank is supposed to die to av.
But at the same time it should never take 1 AV player to destroy a tank.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
274
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:40:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:yea spider tanking with lurchasuras was good times.. RIP spider tanking.. the LLAV was removed because it was abused as a roadkill. theres no feasible way to reintroduce it and expect hotfixes to balance it out.. the logi DS flew like a grand piano with a measily 400 extra HP.. it was more isk efficeint to run MLT DS with a CRU because trying to rep another vehicle from it was worthless even tho that's what earlier cutscenes showed it doing.. inf cries already enuff about vehicles imagine if vehicle remote repping was reintroduced...
I disagree about the logi lavs. With the way AV is balanced and how hard it is to road kill anyone nodays the logi lav could b used again. Not to mention how easy it is to shoot drivers of lavs out of the driver seats , and sticky r/e they could be destroyed or stolen very easy. |
saxonmish
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
335
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:49:00 -
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Thats my Vayu in the middle
SLAYER.
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
177
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:55:00 -
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saxonmish wrote:Thats my Vayu in the middle
Did those tanks look like these in different color?
https://fireden.net/4chan/images.4chan.org//vg/src/1367152522702.jpg
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5898
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:59:00 -
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No marauders. Variants should have pros and cons, not flat pros.
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
111
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Posted - 2014.08.31 18:59:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:No marauders. Variants should have pros and cons, not flat pros.
Why not? Infantry dropsuit variants have only pros. When you go from a frame to a actual suit do you get any cons?
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
111
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Posted - 2014.09.01 04:18:00 -
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The bump is real.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5618
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Posted - 2014.09.01 05:03:00 -
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Logi LAVs were OP because they had the speed to outrun Swarms like other LAVs, but also better tanking capabilities than even a well-fitted Militia tank with STD and occasionally even a few ADV modules.
They, along with draw distance issues with Scout LAVs, were a large part of the reason for most vehicle variants being removed. Rebalancing vehicles COMPETENTLY would have been a much more sensible solution, but the decision was made to remove them "until they could be balanced".
Understandable, until SOMEONE thought it was a good idea to abandon the game to start a near-identical new project to replace it and only have minor balance changes and bug fixes in DUST's future. |
Atiim
11772
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Posted - 2014.09.01 06:14:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:
But at the same time it should never take 1 AV player to destroy a tank.
Then why would I even bother speccing into AV as opposed to a tank? 
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
274
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Posted - 2014.09.01 17:08:00 -
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Atiim wrote:843-Vika wrote:
But at the same time it should never take 1 AV player to destroy a tank.
Then why would I even bother speccing into AV as opposed to a tank?
You seriously believe 1 av player should be able solo a tank? That is the most self centered thing I have ever heard.
It should never take a single av player to take out a tank, 2 is the minimum that should be required depending on the build of the tank.
This is not cod where you can use a single MAWW Rocket to take out a battlehind. |
Atiim
11789
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Posted - 2014.09.01 17:19:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Atiim wrote:843-Vika wrote:
But at the same time it should never take 1 AV player to destroy a tank.
Then why would I even bother speccing into AV as opposed to a tank? You seriously believe 1 av player should be able solo a tank? That is the most self centered thing I have ever heard. It should never take a single av player to take out a tank, 2 is the minimum that should be required depending on the build of the tank. This is not cod where you can use a single MAWW Rocket to take out a battlehind.
And what you just said is the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. You say that one player with AV shouldn't be able to solo a vehicles, yet a single player in a vehicle can solo Infantry units.
But, on the off-hand chance that you're not a hypocrite and have the mind of Spkr4TheDead, I'll assume the inverse on your ideals must also be true, meaning that you don't think vehicles should be able to solo either.
Would that be accurate?
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
-HAND
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
5411
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Posted - 2014.09.01 17:24:00 -
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Buff Lightning tank hp to 5500.
My hometown beat Manchester united.
Git gud man utd.
4-0
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
685
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Posted - 2014.09.01 17:34:00 -
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Atiim wrote:843-Vika wrote:Atiim wrote:843-Vika wrote:
But at the same time it should never take 1 AV player to destroy a tank.
Then why would I even bother speccing into AV as opposed to a tank? You seriously believe 1 av player should be able solo a tank? That is the most self centered thing I have ever heard. It should never take a single av player to take out a tank, 2 is the minimum that should be required depending on the build of the tank. This is not cod where you can use a single MAWW Rocket to take out a battlehind. And what you just said is the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. You say that one player with AV shouldn't be able to solo a vehicles, yet a single player in a vehicle can solo Infantry units. But, on the off-hand chance that you're not a hypocrite and have the mind of Spkr4TheDead, I'll assume the inverse on your ideals must also be true, meaning that you don't think vehicles should be able to solo either. Would that be accurate?
(Grabs popcorn and a chair...)
Guess we're starting another round of these arguments. I haven't seen one in months. As always, right behind ya Atiim
Why am I still here yet?
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
799
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Posted - 2014.09.01 18:08:00 -
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Signed.
As for the reason, I just want to see the role become fun again. In fact, with the current AV situation, I'd say that you could put tanks back to the way they were before 1.7 with no problems whatsoever. A little balancing in modules here and there would probably be necessary, some of them were just never that useful, but reintroducing all those modules would be nice, along with the different tank variants and prices. Tanks shouldn't be something anyone can just spam over and over again. You shouldn't have to be the richest person in Dust, either, to use them, but when a cheap proto fit costs more than a tank, something is wrong. Tanks should be able to obtain power, but be costly in return and something the average person will only field if absolutely necessary, at least on the higher levels.
I'd actually say leave militia tanks alone, or only cut their total EHP down by a small percentage. Militia dropsuits might not get much use, but with a little investment, they can still be quite effective. Militia tanks before 1.7 were a complete joke, the kind of thing you laughed at if you saw, tossed a few AV grenades at, and walked away with 200+ points.
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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