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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2549	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:19:00 - [1] - Quote Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scramble Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Miliita Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2585	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:27:00 - [2] - Quote Oh, nice. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 786	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:28:00 - [3] - Quote Why does it seem like CCP is dealing with issues faster after this game was indirectly announced to be shut down eventually? I wish CCP was as involved in the past as they are now. Faster updates for balancing and feedback discussions that CCP actually listens to. "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masterbait afterwards." - CCP Lockingbro
medomai grey warravens Final Resolution. 809	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:34:00 - [4] - Quote Are heavy armor reps being addressed? Medium frame EHP is not medium
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1714	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:35:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Might the proficiency bug be fixed in time for Bravo? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:36:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) Please tell me the useless 5% shield mod buff was increased. Choo Choo
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10334	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:38:00 - [7] - Quote I don't see why you would cut back on the damage increase fo the TAR. It's basically an SCR with less range, less fire rate but more damage per shot. Your clip size is 18, and it takes 18 shots to overheat an SCR, so no difference there. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1862	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:39:00 - [8] - Quote Does anyone have a link to the spreadsheet? "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:39:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I don't see why you would cut back on the damage increase fo the TAR. It's basically an SCR with less range, less fire rate but more damage per shot. Your clip size is 18, and it takes 18 shots to overheat an SCR, so no difference there. Because butthurt scr users. And the rof was buffed for the tac ar. If it weren't for the damage reduction I would have specced into it. Choo Choo
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 1662	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:41:00 - [10] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. I do hope the proficiency bug for Swarms / Forge will be fixed in time for Bravo. That alone may suffice. ^This PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 Cross Atu for CPM1

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1719	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:41:00 - [11] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Does anyone have a link to the spreadsheet? Was here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dRIiqkQK4S1_NmisVxjvaBgrEtMcX-D8qz0cR4d_fV4/edit?pli=1#gid=1310924977 Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:41:00 - [12] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Does anyone have a link to the spreadsheet? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tNlJWq2eBh9qh2lJj7tCKNw/htmlview# Choo Choo

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2558	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:45:00 - [13] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Does anyone have a link to the spreadsheet? Numbers "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 1662	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:45:00 - [14] - Quote Also, just want to call it now. THE BREACH AR IS BACK BAYBAY! PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 Cross Atu for CPM1

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2558	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:46:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I don't see why you would cut back on the damage increase fo the TAR. It's basically an SCR with less range, less fire rate but more damage per shot. Your clip size is 18, and it takes 18 shots to overheat an SCR, so no difference there. Just a little caution, that's all. It can be addressed again later. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:47:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Harpyja wrote: Does anyone have a link to the spreadsheet? Numbers Why isn't tye ads cost coming, it's needed asap. Choo Choo
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1117	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:49:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) I dub thee... Sir Rattati the Legit. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 871	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:52:00 - [18] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Are heavy armor reps being addressed? Vehicle Heavy Armour RepairersRep RateChanges STD:100 -> 80 (-20%) ADV:120 -> 90 (-25%) PRO:145 -> 110 (-25%) Dust/Eve transfers
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2585	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:10:00 - [19] - Quote Now that bravo is (almost) settled, on to charlie. Some things that imo you should think about doing along with the delayed stuff: 1: fixing fittings for vehicles, as currently it is horrid 2: making Gal scouts not having to use 3 PROTO damps to hide from a Cal Scout, but 2, as well as making the profile bonus tied to dampeners 3: starting to give skills without bonuses bonuses 4: Giving t I Suits and vehicles bonuses 5: Making the cloak a actual scout tool, not a tool for combat. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
RedPencil DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:15:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Why only STD at least add ADV in. it also tight fit for ADV

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:15:00 - [21] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Now that bravo is (almost) settled, on to charlie. Some things that imo you should think about doing along with the delayed stuff: 1: fixing fittings for vehicles, as currently it is horrid 2: making Gal scouts not having to use 3 PROTO damps to hide from a Cal Scout, but 2, as well as making the profile bonus tied to dampeners 3: starting to give skills without bonuses bonuses 4: Giving t I Suits and vehicles bonuses 5: Making the cloak a actual scout tool, not a tool for combat. The cloak part Ccp needs to change the glow, on most maos and dark areas you glow like the 4th of July. Choo Choo
MINA Longstrike 857	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:17:00 - [22] - Quote Will FW lp payouts be addressed in hotfix Charlie? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2414	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:17:00 - [23] - Quote What about the proposed pc changes? Did they ever take place?
jaksol JAK darnson Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:22:00 - [24] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Why does it seem like CCP is dealing with issues faster after this game was indirectly announced to be shut down eventually? I wish CCP was as involved in the past as they are now. Faster updates for balancing and feedback discussions that CCP actually listens to. :\ true but i am happy that they are moveing ahead plus i think that they will keep this game open when legion (if its greenlighted still havent seen a dev confer it has) comes out as a seperate entity and overall im happy with these fix's but still wish rail-guns on a gunlogi wud revive bonus for caldari turret on caldari chassis "Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."
jaksol JAK darnson Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:25:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I don't see why you would cut back on the damage increase fo the TAR. It's basically an SCR with less range, less fire rate but more damage per shot. Your clip size is 18, and it takes 18 shots to overheat an SCR, so no difference there. Just a little caution, that's all. It can be addressed again later. i agree here good idea cus i use the TAR when i see straffing scout, becouse how unacurite they are the scout straffs right into the bullets (as they fly all over the place without sharp shooter skills) "Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2586	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:42:00 - [26] - Quote jaksol JAK darnson wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Why does it seem like CCP is dealing with issues faster after this game was indirectly announced to be shut down eventually? I wish CCP was as involved in the past as they are now. Faster updates for balancing and feedback discussions that CCP actually listens to. :\ true but i am happy that they are moveing ahead plus i think that they will keep this game open when legion (if its greenlighted still havent seen a dev confer it has) comes out as a seperate entity and overall im happy with these fix's but still wish rail-guns on a gunlogi wud revive bonus for caldari turret on caldari chassis I highly doubt that ****. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2586	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:54:00 - [27] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Now that bravo is (almost) settled, on to charlie. Some things that imo you should think about doing along with the delayed stuff: 1: fixing fittings for vehicles, as currently it is horrid 2: making Gal scouts not having to use 3 PROTO damps to hide from a Cal Scout, but 2, as well as making the profile bonus tied to dampeners 3: starting to give skills without bonuses bonuses 4: Giving t I Suits and vehicles bonuses 5: Making the cloak a actual scout tool, not a tool for combat. The cloak part Ccp needs to change the glow, on most maos and dark areas you glow like the 4th of July. Stay out of dark areas then. And that doesn't solve anything. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 343	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:02:00 - [28] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Why does it seem like CCP is dealing with issues faster after this game was indirectly announced to be shut down eventually? I wish CCP was as involved in the past as they are now. Faster updates for balancing and feedback discussions that CCP actually listens to. :\ Because we're beta testing Legion. They want they data so they can use it later. Balancing everything out now saves them time while building Legion.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3249	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:29:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) So are small turrets beeing fixed? Small blasters with hit detection and small rails damage profiles. Another thing is are armor dropships fixed so that they take proper damage or will they keep their godmode vs swarms?
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 311	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:34:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) Is there something in the pipeline for vehicle tripple rep madrugar, its getting a bit stupid that 3 proto minmando with proto swarms cant do anything. Hopefully, the proficiency will make changes to this but now this tank is actually invincible ! Seen it again today multiple times...

Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2586	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:41:00 - [31] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) Is there something in the pipeline for vehicle tripple rep madrugar, its getting a bit stupid that 3 proto minmando with proto swarms cant do anything. Hopefully, the proficiency will make changes to this but now this tank is actually invincible ! Seen it again today multiple times... tripple reps will now be the strength of 2 due to stacking. You're late. Still say that they should be active.......... click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 311	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:49:00 - [32] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) Is there something in the pipeline for vehicle tripple rep madrugar, its getting a bit stupid that 3 proto minmando with proto swarms cant do anything. Hopefully, the proficiency will make changes to this but now this tank is actually invincible ! Seen it again today multiple times... tripple reps will now be the strength of 2 due to stacking. You're late. Still say that they should be active.......... Asking cause its not listed, what your saying its gonna be a hotfix ?
Clips A'hoy Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 155	Posted - 2014.06.12 06:10:00 - [33] - Quote Anything on the Amarr Scout? I'm urgently becoming impatient. I sometimes fill my bathtub with Jell-o, then I proceed to curl up and pretend I'm a fetus.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14421	Posted - 2014.06.12 06:12:00 - [34] - Quote Thanks for taking the TAR buff in moderation rather than doing a single buff of huge magnitude. If it's still bad then I'm sure you can probably just tweak it again. Actually, that said - I feel that the more useful property on the TAR being tweaked is the damage per shot, rather than the RoF. The kick and dispersion on the weapon make higher fire rates of little use in practice. If it gets touched in the future, I think that's the place to start. WP for mCRUs will be a thing at some point? I know you said not in Bravo, but that's great! I think that was announced... a year and a half ago? It's good to see some interest in actually doing it. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 173	Posted - 2014.06.12 06:27:00 - [35] - Quote So did I miss the announcement for projected dates? I need moar Allotek in mah lyfe. If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly. -David Hackworth
Nao Kun Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2014.06.12 06:28:00 - [36] - Quote Do you ever think about Tanker? Prop Heavy Armor rep rate will be greatly reduces the survival rate of Madrugar. If you undermine reps, you should increase the resist of hardner. or implement the advanced tanks. thank you for watching :)
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 1665	Posted - 2014.06.12 06:50:00 - [37] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: 2: making Gal scouts not having to use 3 PROTO damps to hide from a Cal Scout, but 2, as well as making the profile bonus tied to dampeners By this do you mean running damps cuts your scans? Because I was thinking cutting scans in half while cloaked would be a good way to slow down scan/damp combat abuse, also helping to reduce the cloak's combat effectiveness. PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 Cross Atu for CPM1
Gabriel Ceja Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2014.06.12 07:12:00 - [38] - Quote Finally the damage mods are getting a well deserved nerf but what I wanna know is will you be limited to one per fit or will they still be able to stack because I believe it would be better off making it limited to one. As for the armor rep mods those were decent numbers for them on the spreadsheet however with their nerf I think it would be fair to also bring down the pg and cpu of the modules just a bit. "Throw on the flux capacitor." activates fuel injector "WOOOOOO!!!"
Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property 1781	Posted - 2014.06.12 07:16:00 - [39] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: 2: making Gal scouts not having to use 3 PROTO damps to hide from a Cal Scout, but 2, as well as making the profile bonus tied to dampeners By this do you mean running damps cuts your scans? Because I was thinking cutting scans in half while cloaked would be a good way to slow down scan/damp combat abuse, also helping to reduce the cloak's combat effectiveness. You and i both knwo the most infurating is the Galscout with 3 plates and a damp, or 2 plate, rep damp. That solvrs nothing, considering they don't need to scan. Anyways loving how you are actually taking Buff/Nerf in moderation, and might actually make me spend Aur! Great work Ratatti, now we just gotta keep this up, and hear a word from Mr.EP that we are NOT beta-testing legion, just that they're pushing resources to accelerate getting legion out, then we'll have Dust making money again($$) Again, me being optimistic, and noddin my head saying 'there's gotta be a reason for this' General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 128	Posted - 2014.06.12 07:22:00 - [40] - Quote Minmatar suits? Plz? EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT PC VS CONSOLE

anaboop Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 98	Posted - 2014.06.12 07:48:00 - [41] - Quote Unless glass tanks are fixed why bother having vehicle only ambush? Your always going to get some maggot that will have one. Fully sick Anaboop trading card
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 345	Posted - 2014.06.12 08:10:00 - [42] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: 2: making Gal scouts not having to use 3 PROTO damps to hide from a Cal Scout, but 2, as well as making the profile bonus tied to dampeners By this do you mean running damps cuts your scans? Because I was thinking cutting scans in half while cloaked would be a good way to slow down scan/damp combat abuse, also helping to reduce the cloak's combat effectiveness. You and i both knwo the most infurating is the Galscout with 3 plates and a damp, or 2 plate, rep damp. That solvrs nothing, considering they don't need to scan. Anyways loving how you are actually taking Buff/Nerf in moderation, and might actually make me spend Aur! Great work Ratatti, now we just gotta keep this up, and hear a word from Mr.EP that we are NOT beta-testing legion, just that they're pushing resources to accelerate getting legion out, then we'll have Dust making money again($$) Again, me being optimistic, and noddin my head saying 'there's gotta be a reason for this' they already made dust and put in enough effort with it. not using the data or feedback would be like reinventing the wheel. unless Legion is going to be completely different, which i doubt, they save time, money, and effort by using the any balancing and feedback data they can from dust. everything we do now will save them time later
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1307	Posted - 2014.06.12 09:12:00 - [43] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Why does it seem like CCP is dealing with issues faster after this game was indirectly announced to be shut down eventually? I wish CCP was as involved in the past as they are now. Faster updates for balancing and feedback discussions that CCP actually listens to. :\ CCP wasn't responding because they were all working on Legion. Now that the cats out of the bag, they have resources free for this game, limited though they may be. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1192	Posted - 2014.06.12 09:24:00 - [44] - Quote Energizers should have +x% resistance to amour based weapons
ell armana Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 37	Posted - 2014.06.12 09:26:00 - [45] - Quote I request that I would like I think the load of the scrambler rifle is too large Viziam SCR pg20 GåÆ18pÇÇRequest and Amount of heat generated by the laser rifle is all 21 should be improved this laser rifle STD 21.0 ADV 19.5 PRO 18.0
I-Shayz-I I-----I 3660	Posted - 2014.06.12 11:15:00 - [46] - Quote The progression for the scrambler rifle is now insane. 20 pg is fine for proto, but making advanced more than twice the pg of standard is kinda silly. Thank you for changes to regulators though and the Plasma Cannon delay (FINALLY) and the additional low slot for Amarr Assault and the militia weapons These hotfixes are what Dust needs right now. I'm glad that they are coming out so fast. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Winst0n W0lf Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.06.12 11:39:00 - [47] - Quote ell armana wrote: I request that I would like I think the load of the scrambler rifle is too large Viziam SCR pg20 GåÆ18pÇÇRequest and Amount of heat generated by the laser rifle is all 21 should be improved this laser rifle STD 21.0 ADV 19.5 PRO 18.0 I actually disagree on this. I kinda like that they all overheat at the same rate but have a higher damage multiplier. That way your mental inner timer that says "stop firing... Now" is always the same but you can do more damage. Plus, the viziam would start eating up ammo like crazy! I solve problems. I'm also John Demonsbane.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2269	Posted - 2014.06.12 12:04:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: unforeseen consequences The last time i've heard those words Black Mesa has been ****** by the aliens... PSN: ogamega I'm not a chef, i'm just a man who likes to cook.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2415	Posted - 2014.06.12 12:54:00 - [49] - Quote please consider power diagnostic systems for shield lowslot modules.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1726	Posted - 2014.06.12 13:33:00 - [50] - Quote Nao Kun wrote: Do you ever think about Tanker? Prop Heavy Armor rep rate will be greatly reduces the survival rate of Madrugar. If you undermine reps, you should increase the resist of hardner. LMAO Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1415	Posted - 2014.06.12 15:00:00 - [51] - Quote This is funny. It's funny how easy it is for you guys to do this (Perhaps not 'easy' but it's certainly possible) and its taken the announcement of the cancellation of Dust to bring about changes that we should have had day 1. Rattati, I sincerely hope they put you in charge of patches or something when Dust is gone for good. I don't even know if that's a job title, but jesus, make it a job title. CCP need you. Brb, sister needs the TV
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 313	Posted - 2014.06.12 15:11:00 - [52] - Quote Nao Kun wrote: Do you ever think about Tanker? Prop Heavy Armor rep rate will be greatly reduces the survival rate of Madrugar. If you undermine reps, you should increase the resist of hardner. or implement the advanced tanks. thank you for watching :) Yeah from infinite survavibility to actually have a potential to die, its rather sarcastic it comes from someone at your corp who has abused this rep staking non sense...
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3249	Posted - 2014.06.12 15:25:00 - [53] - Quote lol scrubs complain that they get nerfed. CCP should allways assume they are doing something right when nyan san is starting to moan about the changes.
Cyrus Grevare warravens Final Resolution. 225	Posted - 2014.06.12 16:47:00 - [54] - Quote A few of questions, * Will you be releasing any more SDEs? didn't see a new one after Hotfix Alpha. * Can we assume that changes also apply to aurum and loyalty equivalents? or do they apply only to those listed? * Do premium weapons get a tweak? weapons such as the LP specialists or officer weapons like the Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle Regards. www.protofits.com - a Dust 514 fitting tool
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 560	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:44:00 - [55] - Quote All I want to know is, when is my Proto Min Commando gonna be the black and crimson badass he deserves to be?!?! Melee Weapon of Choice: Nokia-3310 Prof. V
Cyrus Grevare warravens Final Resolution. 225	Posted - 2014.06.12 18:04:00 - [56] - Quote Gall commando is also the same color schemes from STD to PRO :( www.protofits.com - a Dust 514 fitting tool
Tectonic Fusion 1685	Posted - 2014.06.12 19:13:00 - [57] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Now that bravo is (almost) settled, on to charlie. Some things that imo you should think about doing along with the delayed stuff: 1: fixing fittings for vehicles, as currently it is horrid 2: making Gal scouts not having to use 3 PROTO damps to hide from a Cal Scout, but 2, as well as making the profile bonus tied to dampeners 3: starting to give skills without bonuses bonuses 4: Giving t I Suits and vehicles bonuses 5: Making the cloak a actual scout tool, not a tool for combat. If I have the balls to use 4 Complex Precision in PC, then you should have to lol
matthew swager RisingSuns Dark Taboo 0	Posted - 2014.06.12 19:13:00 - [58] - Quote Give the range back to rail turrets you made them useless i real tank can fire a shell 2 miles whats the deal
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2421	Posted - 2014.06.12 19:25:00 - [59] - Quote matthew swager wrote: Give the range back to rail turrets you made them useless i real tank can fire a shell 2 miles whats the deal Space in the New Eden universe is orders of magnitude more 'thick' than in our universe. It may have something to do with the coefficients involved in the weak nuclear force. According to the people who have studied the physics of Eve, ships floating around in the vacuum of space basically operate as if they are under water. Now imagine if that is the case for the vacuum of space, the forces of air resistance in an actual atmosphere must be INSANE!
Cyrus Grevare warravens Final Resolution. 225	Posted - 2014.06.12 20:05:00 - [60] - Quote 68 entries on the last SDE for 'Assault Rifle' going from item names to descriptions to skill entries, if the change was only needed there it would be relatively easy, but there could be more obscure code that references to the NAME instead of typeIDs. Changing the name in the database without testing it could break more than it's worth, now with the shortage of hands there might not be someone with the required expertise on board to make the changes if it entails tweaking in places other than the database. Also time might be a factor, meaningful hotfixes are coming at a rapid pace for now I agree with Rattati that it's more important, this from a supporter of the name Plasma Rifle. www.protofits.com - a Dust 514 fitting tool

medomai grey warravens Final Resolution. 809	Posted - 2014.06.12 20:50:00 - [61] - Quote Still having problems adding a delay for firing after de-cloaking? Medium frame EHP is not medium
Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 574	Posted - 2014.06.12 21:59:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Interesting new topics Wrong suit colors Tweaked RE's? How about fixing the ability to throw the damned things meters away and blowing up people before they ever see the damned things appear on their client!!!! Cannot tweak vehicle sigs?!? Why not? Why even bother with hiding a freaking huge and noisy freaking tank!!!!! This is really starting to make you guys look really incompetent without any further explanation as to why. Delay on Swarm Launchers. I could agree to a wait on this, but still you provided no reasons for this. What compromises were looked at and why were they dismissed? I don't want to uselessly keep spamming your boards with the same solutions that you've already tagged as not applicable. You want community help, you have to give something to us to work with too. I gave a couple specific ways of possibly fixing this issue in the previous thread... Were they both bad ideas and why? Was one ok, but needed refinement? What? Wrong Suit Colors!!! Boy is that a freaking understatement!!! Why the hell are Logi's YELLOW, and assault WHITE!!!! These have to be the worst choices for camouflage in the entirety of the universe of colors for an FPS (unless you are in a snowy winter setting which NONE of you maps represent).
Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 574	Posted - 2014.06.12 22:02:00 - [63] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Still having problems adding a delay for firing after de-cloaking? Obviously they don't want it as there sure as **** is a GODDAMNED delay of epic proportions after using the damned repair tool!!! Just add that code to the decloaking sequence of the cloaks and done! Hell when using a repair tool you CANNOT RUN, so why not add that to cloaks too!
Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 574	Posted - 2014.06.12 23:00:00 - [64] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: 5: Making the cloak a actual scout tool, not a tool for combat. I have to agree here. Right now I don't use a cloaking device on my scout only. I use it on my Commando, on my Assault, and on my Logi suits all the damned time now. It's the only way to cross open areas and not get nailed by snipers, rail tanks, and rail rifles. It also makes it less likely that a stupid shotgun scout will start to tail you as well. Seriously, cloak with anything that can fit one becomes the norm now.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Zero-Day 185	Posted - 2014.06.12 23:20:00 - [65] - Quote I didn't even know this discussion was ever open. Yesterday i couldn't find the official source of a spreadsheet i found in some guy's topic. Damn, what happened to me
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 59	Posted - 2014.06.13 01:23:00 - [66] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) All previous discussion can be found here stacking penalties on repair moduals, these for inf + vehicle or just vehicle? as for swarm vs plasma cannon.. make swarm Level 4 light and plasma level 3 light. this way the differance is dps makes sence and you get the dumb fire weapon at 3 and the lockon at 4. Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2598	Posted - 2014.06.13 01:30:00 - [67] - Quote Here are the Archived discussions https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1775 and here are the Numbers "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

jace silencerww D3ATH CARD 18	Posted - 2014.06.13 05:52:00 - [68] - Quote ok this is dumb reduce the tar sniper rifle on feedback ARE YOU SERIOUS?! thale and charge are the only ones that are worth using! with the charge sr having that EAR SPILTTING PITCH most don't use it plus the scope zoom on all but the thale and tact sr are aweful thank you CCP for not listening to the snipers who has asked for HIT DETECTION to be fixed. I have been a sniping since open beta and it has gone down the crapper first we lost the slight zoom we got by using proto sr now nerf the tar OMG this is a huge joke CCP Rattati
Commander Noctus Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2014.06.13 06:32:00 - [69] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: ok this is dumb reduce the tar sniper rifle on feedback ARE YOU SERIOUS?! thale and charge are the only ones that are worth using! with the charge sr having that EAR SPILTTING PITCH most don't use it plus the scope zoom on all but the thale and tact sr are aweful thank you CCP for not listening to the snipers who has asked for HIT DETECTION to be fixed. I have been a sniping since open beta and it has gone down the crapper first we lost the slight zoom we got by using proto sr now nerf the tar OMG this is a huge joke CCP Rattati slow clap If you even paid partial attention, you'd know the TAR stands for Tactical Assault Rifle, not the Thale's.
BL4CKST4R warravens Final Resolution. 2777	Posted - 2014.06.13 10:34:00 - [70] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Here are the Archived discussions https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1775 and here are the Numbers What can we expect new numbers? supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 75	Posted - 2014.06.13 13:27:00 - [71] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) All previous discussion can be found here This iw hat i have wanted to see.... Now my caldari shields will finally be of use and actually withstand some shots. That and now i dont have to run AV in an infantry only match style (AMBUSH) sucks for you tankers in amb aka Nyan San Supporter of Legion Supporter of Valkyrie Supporter/Fan of Eve

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2600	Posted - 2014.06.13 13:56:00 - [72] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Here are the Archived discussions https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1775 and here are the Numbers What can we expect new numbers? Why are you expecting new numbers, these are being deployed and tested. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3253	Posted - 2014.06.13 14:10:00 - [73] - Quote Wheres the militia HMG?
BL4CKST4R warravens Final Resolution. 2777	Posted - 2014.06.13 14:13:00 - [74] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Here are the Archived discussions https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1775 and here are the Numbers What can we expect new numbers? Why are you expecting new numbers, these are being deployed and tested. Well I kinda figured you would finish all your testing you would then release a final revision of those numbers... supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
ANON Cerberus ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 829	Posted - 2014.06.13 18:28:00 - [75] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Here are the Archived discussions https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1775 and here are the Numbers What can we expect new numbers? Why are you expecting new numbers, these are being deployed and tested. On the whole, those changes look pretty good. I am especially looking forwards to the rifle balancing and the shield improvements. The one thing that stands out is that Complex shield extenders I feel should have also gained a little buff, as now advanced shield extenders look more tempting for the price. Not only that, standard level shield extenders still look weak. I am very happy about the small buffs to shield regulators, energizers and rechargers. Over all, I am very happy with the changes with a minor concern about complex shield extenders.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 516	Posted - 2014.06.13 23:52:00 - [76] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Here are the Archived discussions https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1775 and here are the Numbers What can we expect new numbers? Why are you expecting new numbers, these are being deployed and tested. On the whole, those changes look pretty good. I am especially looking forwards to the rifle balancing and the shield improvements. The one thing that stands out is that Complex shield extenders I feel should have also gained a little buff, as now advanced shield extenders look more tempting for the price. Not only that, standard level shield extenders still look weak. I am very happy about the small buffs to shield regulators, energizers and rechargers. Over all, I am very happy with the changes with a minor concern about complex shield extenders. I would say complex extenders need a slight buff. - But it doesnt have to be HP, it could easily be a reduction of PG to about 8/9 or dropping the added delay by a percentage point or two (cant remember the numbers atm) Eager to try the changes out. "Shine bright like a diamond"
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 797	Posted - 2014.06.14 00:52:00 - [77] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Still having problems adding a delay for firing after de-cloaking? same question! Sorry for bad English =) >>> Legion rdy! <<<
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1322	Posted - 2014.06.14 00:54:00 - [78] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: matthew swager wrote: Give the range back to rail turrets you made them useless i real tank can fire a shell 2 miles whats the deal Space in the New Eden universe is orders of magnitude more 'thick' than in our universe. It may have something to do with the coefficients involved in the weak nuclear force. According to the people who have studied the physics of Eve, ships floating around in the vacuum of space basically operate as if they are under water. Now imagine if that is the case for the vacuum of space, the forces of air resistance in an actual atmosphere must be INSANE! Lore reasons for Eve spaceships acting as they do is gravitons generated by the warp drives affecting the ship, thereby slowing it down. Although mathematically speaking, Eve space has the consistency of WD-40. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
matthew swager RisingSuns Dark Taboo 0	Posted - 2014.06.14 05:16:00 - [79] - Quote i understand physics alot better than you not to mention if its that dense they worked out compinsation , but rail tanks are for long range engaugement not close range like blasters.
jace silencerww D3ATH CARD 18	Posted - 2014.06.14 05:50:00 - [80] - Quote ok first the thale tar sniper rifle you are talking about most snipers using it over the charge due to the scope and the high pitch ear spiltting noise the charge makes make it a low pitch one would help a lot. plus all the armor buffs have made it where 3-5 body shots just tpo take out a logi or an assult & 3-4 on scouts and 5-8 on heavies for all but the charge and thale. I can live with all the damage but fix the HIT DETECTION I have shot and know I should hit the red who was standing still I had the body shot on open ground but he was undamaged after 5 shots with my ish proto sr. do the math 229 damage on a ishukone proto sr with lets say no damage mods or prof against a level 1 amarr sentinel dropsuit core maxed & no extra shield or armor so here is the suit 360 to 450 shield 600 to 750 armor. first shot will be a headshot to be fair 229 x 175% for shield headshot that is 400 damage to shield so 50 shield and 750 now since the heavy was hit he moves so body shots now so next one 229x90% ok equals 206 but there is only 50 shield so the 156 gets a boost to 110% 171 armor damage so after the first headshot and 1 body shot he has 579 armor left now and body shot 229x110% is 252 so that leaves the heavy with 327 armor so it will take 2 more body shots to kill him. 229x110% is 252 that is one 75 armor left and final shot 229x110% is 252 against 75 armor equals dead heavy. so 5 full shots 1 being a head shot. but most heavies have 800 to 1100 armor plus with the reps bonus lol meants it will take in to your second clip to kill him oh btw you only have 5 shot clip and 20 extra rounds to start with. that why most use the thale tar. people are complaining about the thale but lately I have seem about 15-25 kills with it and non thale or charge sr get 5 to 15 kills. if the thale kills are too high I get downing the damage but the charge should as well while the others sr get alittle buff like from 229 to 250 for ishukone proto sr and kaal tact sr go from 195 to 210 damage plus better zoom on sr non tacts ones though. ccp rattati havbe you ever sniped in dust? try it on an blank account so people do not know it is you and tell me should the sr be where they are?

Ace Mercenary Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.06.14 14:20:00 - [81] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) Please tell me the useless 5% shield mod buff was increased. Please make armor as weak as shields
Ace Mercenary Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.06.14 14:27:00 - [82] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Now that bravo is (almost) settled, on to charlie. Some things that imo you should think about doing along with the delayed stuff: 1: fixing fittings for vehicles, as currently it is horrid 2: making Gal scouts not having to use 3 PROTO damps to hide from a Cal Scout, but 2, as well as making the profile bonus tied to dampeners 3: starting to give skills without bonuses bonuses 4: Giving t I Suits and vehicles bonuses 5: Making the cloak a actual scout tool, not a tool for combat. Why not remove light weapon from scout. 'scout' isn't it suppose to scout and actually scan the area not go around killing and leaving behind teammates? XD Make Gal scout hiding power stronger after nerfing it?
Ace Mercenary Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.06.14 14:33:00 - [83] - Quote matthew swager wrote: i understand physics alot better than you not to mention if its that dense they worked out compinsation , but rail tanks are for long range engaugement not close range like blasters. No. Missile tanks are for long range. Rail are for AV.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2347	Posted - 2014.06.14 15:33:00 - [84] - Quote It's almost that time again, to delete all my tank fittings and start a new did it for 1.7, did it for 1.7 hotfix now going to have to do it for hotfix Bravo. God I hate number crunching. Tanker/Logi
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 707	Posted - 2014.06.14 22:14:00 - [85] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Can we know what are the "Amarr slot increase and overall balance" please ?
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2014.06.15 07:16:00 - [86] - Quote Hey Rattati, Did you change the new TAR values on the Google Doc? I can't wait to shove my assault rifle in some CR users' faces. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2629	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:00:00 - [87] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Hey Rattati, Did you change the new TAR values on the Google Doc? I can't wait to shove my assault rifle in some CR users' faces. Yes, the damage is increased by 5% in the Rifles tab "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2629	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:00:00 - [88] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Can we know what are the "Amarr slot increase and overall balance" please ? The added slot layout is in the Tweaks sheet of the numbers doc "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2629	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:03:00 - [89] - Quote Cyrus Grevare wrote: A few of questions, * Will you be releasing any more SDEs? didn't see a new one after Hotfix Alpha. * Can we assume that changes also apply to aurum and loyalty equivalents? or do they apply only to those listed? * Do premium weapons get a tweak? weapons such as the LP specialists or officer weapons like the Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle Regards. I haven't checked the SDE process, thanks for the reminder Yes Yes "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2629	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:05:00 - [90] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: All I want to know is, when is my Proto Min Commando gonna be the black and crimson badass he deserves to be?!?! The CPM was more than happy to help crowdsource all the dropsuits with wrong coloring and give me the list. I have forwarded that list to our Technical Artists who are doublechecking. These should get fixed quickly. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"



CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2629	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:07:00 - [91] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: What about the proposed pc changes? Did they ever take place? They will be deployed with Hotfix Bravo, they needed more QA process that I wasn't aware of, than the other changes. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2629	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:08:00 - [92] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) So are small turrets beeing fixed? Small blasters with hit detection and small rails damage profiles. Another thing is are armor dropships fixed so that they take proper damage or will they keep their godmode vs swarms? Small turret changes are in the document, I explained the Swarm situation very clearly in the OP. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:19:00 - [93] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cyrus Grevare wrote: * Do premium weapons get a tweak? weapons such as the LP specialists or officer weapons like the Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle. Yes I'm so mad at myself for buying into the fear after Fanfest that Dust was dying... Burned through like 20 Balac's GAR in Ambushes... shouldn't have done that. Oh well, I still have like 5. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2631	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:44:00 - [94] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thank you for your feedback. We will now remove and store the official feedback threads. Final numbers will be shared and then translated into Patch Notes when development updates have been finished and QA'd. Hotfix Bravo has a lot of exciting new things, for both old and new players and to keep our process transparent, I will mention and clarify a couple of things that we, changed, needed to delay or cancel. Changes to Original Proposal Changes - Reduced damage increase of TAR a little based on feedback Changes - Tweaked some of the Shield modules based on feedback Changes - Tweaked RE's for progression and buffed PRO Changes - Stacking Penalty for Repairer Modules didn't work as intended (only works on % based modules) so reduced HP/s directly Changes - PG for Scrambler Rifle only reduced at STD level, due to Amarr slot increase and overall balance Changes - Vehicle Sig profiles can not be tweaked so infantry notices them easier on the minimap Delays Delay - Increased ISK rewards Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance. Delay - WP for mobile CRUS Interesting new topics Turret Damage Profiles Wrong suit colors Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) Is there something in the pipeline for vehicle tripple rep madrugar, its getting a bit stupid that 3 proto minmando with proto swarms cant do anything. Hopefully, the proficiency will make changes to this but now this tank is actually invincible ! Seen it again today multiple times... tripple reps will now be the strength of 2 due to stacking. You're late. Still say that they should be active.......... Asking cause its not listed, what your saying its gonna be a hotfix ? The list in the OP is not comprehensive, it is a changelist to the original proposals. Reppers have new proposals in the Numbers doc. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2350	Posted - 2014.06.15 22:05:00 - [95] - Quote My only worry for repper nerf is the sand box, Currently stacking 2 armor hardeners useless, stacking 2 plates just why? it makes you too slow now stacking reps will be pointless so have the same fit 1 Hardener 1 Repairer 1 Plate 1 Fuel injector with little to no fitting diversity just the same fit for all armor tanks. Tanker/Logi
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1829	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:28:00 - [96] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: My only worry for repper nerf is the sand box, Currently stacking 2 armor hardeners useless, stacking 2 plates just why? it makes you too slow now stacking reps will be pointless so have the same fit 1 Hardener 1 Repairer 1 Plate 1 Fuel injector with little to no fitting diversity just the same fit for all armor tanks. Oh no, stacking reps will stil be effective. Just not the 'yolo i nvr die now bizznitches' business we have now. Yes your reps are being decreased, but that gives Aver's a chance to kill yo ass before you nitro n burn out. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3265	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:05:00 - [97] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Small turret changes are in the document, I explained the Swarm situation very clearly in the OP. I know that there wont be any changes to swarm clip size or amounts of missiles fired etc. But that does not explain the situation vs armor tanked dropships (gorgon, grimsnes and incubus). Maybe you misunderstood the problem so let me be clear: im in a match, aiming with my proto swarms at a militia gorgon and the little number on the bottom left says that each of my swarm missiles will deal only 55% damage which is vs shield and armor. Now the same situation vs. a viper the same little number says i will do 80% damage against its shields and 120% when it hits armor. I dont want more missiles, i dont want a bigger clip, what i want is that my swarms actually put a dent into a militia dropship. All you have to do is to edit the resistance profile on armor dropships.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2655	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:27:00 - [98] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Small turret changes are in the document, I explained the Swarm situation very clearly in the OP. I know that there wont be any changes to swarm clip size or amounts of missiles fired etc. But that does not explain the situation vs armor tanked dropships (gorgon, grimsnes and incubus). Maybe you misunderstood the problem so let me be clear: im in a match, aiming with my proto swarms at a militia gorgon and the little number on the bottom left says that each of my swarm missiles will deal only 55% damage which is vs shield and armor. Now the same situation vs. a viper the same little number says i will do 80% damage against its shields and 120% when it hits armor. I dont want more missiles, i dont want a bigger clip, what i want is that my swarms actually put a dent into a militia dropship. All you have to do is to edit the resistance profile on armor dropships. That is the bug I mentioned, as well as proficiency skills not applying properly. The 55% was never intended and will get fixed after being QA'd as I am not treating that as a "balancing" tweak. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender Proficiency V. 88	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:36:00 - [99] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Small turret changes are in the document, I explained the Swarm situation very clearly in the OP. I know that there wont be any changes to swarm clip size or amounts of missiles fired etc. But that does not explain the situation vs armor tanked dropships (gorgon, grimsnes and incubus). Maybe you misunderstood the problem so let me be clear: im in a match, aiming with my proto swarms at a militia gorgon and the little number on the bottom left says that each of my swarm missiles will deal only 55% damage which is vs shield and armor. Now the same situation vs. a viper the same little number says i will do 80% damage against its shields and 120% when it hits armor. I dont want more missiles, i dont want a bigger clip, what i want is that my swarms actually put a dent into a militia dropship. All you have to do is to edit the resistance profile on armor dropships. By armour tanked, do you simply mean armour based dropships or plating? I understand the issue with the resistance bug, but you really can't tank a dropship... you can get 4200+ armour, but you won't be able to fit a rep or a decent one at least, and you will be pathetically slow, very slow. Don't know too many people that are willing to rep at 25 per second with that much armour. The most that people ever put on is a basic or adv 120mm plate, with a decent rep, and complex pg extender. Never had reason to run hardeners for dropships ever since they were nerfed, as a plate proved more substantial and life saving.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 359	Posted - 2014.06.16 18:47:00 - [100] - Quote im worried about the AR's range compared to the RR. AR will be supreme in cqc but i feel it range is far too generous. gallente plasma tech should really be micro scale blaster tech. the same tech theyd use for their ships. but gallente blasterss in eve have the absolute worst possible range. they have crazy firepower to make up for that though. caldari on the other hand have the worst dps in eve with railguns but the best possible range. to illustrate my point, a gallente T2 neutron blaster has an optimal range of 1.8km (no skills) this is their longest range blaster a caldari T2 75mm railgun has an optimal range of 7.2km (no skills) and thats their shortest range railgun. their longest range railgun is 14.4km (no skills) here in dust though, AR's optimal range will be around 50m while RR's will be around 75m. isnt the AR's optimal range a little on the high side, considering its dps and ease of use? would it be possible to increase the optimal range for RR's? ive always thought its optimal range should be around 90% of its max effective range. RR will be useless because most outpost are too small for it while outside of outposts they dont have enough optimal range. This is only an issue for caldari as anyone armor tanking can use one and now have more HP and the same range a a caldari suit. its the reason why ive always wanted optimal range bonuses for the caldari assault suit, as all the other racial assault suits have bonuses that enhance their racial weapons performance. could you please think about changing the redundant caldari reload bonus to an optimal range bonus?

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 1976	Posted - 2014.06.16 21:23:00 - [101] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Snip... Have you guys tried DUST around the office with Magnetic Tracking disabled? What is the TTK and competition factor like? It feel's like Dust's basic gameplay and competition has been dumbed down to make up for all the content and character customization thrown at new players with nothing but wall's of text for assistance. And it has killed the feel of Competency in DUST 514 for anyone that is here longer then a month or two. There is no sense that you get better at actually playing DUST 514 everytime you sit down and play. And that was the magic and charm in a bottle that made this game so addicting as you mixed that with persistence and continued development. Something must be done as a big demographic of DUST 514 players seek Competency in their gameplay, and now that the concept of persistence is dead the meaningful moment to moment gameplay that DUST needs to thrive needs more attention then anything.
matthew swager RisingSuns Dark Taboo 0	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:05:00 - [102] - Quote based on missles ROF they are made for close to medium range and the rails should be long range . how is the SR able to shoot further than a rail turret
wripple WarRavens Final Resolution. 191	Posted - 2014.06.17 03:34:00 - [103] - Quote Well, there goes my damage modded Python. Guess I'll have to be like the rest of these ADS scrubs and make myself the Pyrex fit I abandoned months ago.
wripple WarRavens Final Resolution. 191	Posted - 2014.06.17 03:59:00 - [104] - Quote Will we ever see a fix to the bug that causes Shield Hardeners to prevent Large Blasters from breaking the Shield's repair threshold?
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 352	Posted - 2014.06.17 07:13:00 - [105] - Quote looking good more plasma rifle damge and railgun nerf *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 769	Posted - 2014.06.17 09:23:00 - [106] - Quote Ace Mercenary wrote: matthew swager wrote: i understand physics alot better than you not to mention if its that dense they worked out compinsation , but rail tanks are for long range engaugement not close range like blasters. No. Missile tanks are for long range. Rail are for AV. Wrong; large turrets are for AV, blasters or for close range, missiles for medium range, and rails for long range. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3586	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:11:00 - [107] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: im worried about the AR's range compared to the RR. AR will be supreme in cqc but i feel it range is far too generous. gallente plasma tech should really be micro scale blaster tech. the same tech theyd use for their ships. but gallente blasterss in eve have the absolute worst possible range. they have crazy firepower to make up for that though. caldari on the other hand have the worst dps in eve with railguns but the best possible range. to illustrate my point, a gallente T2 neutron blaster has an optimal range of 1.8km (no skills) this is their longest range blaster a caldari T2 75mm railgun has an optimal range of 7.2km (no skills) and thats their shortest range railgun. their longest range railgun is 14.4km (no skills) here in dust though, AR's optimal range will be around 50m while RR's will be around 75m. isnt the AR's optimal range a little on the high side, considering its dps and ease of use? would it be possible to increase the optimal range for RR's? ive always thought its optimal range should be around 90% of its max effective range. RR will be useless because most outpost are too small for it while outside of outposts they dont have enough optimal range. This is only an issue for caldari as anyone armor tanking can use one and now have more HP and the same range a a caldari suit. its the reason why ive always wanted optimal range bonuses for the caldari assault suit, as all the other racial assault suits have bonuses that enhance their racial weapons performance. could you please think about changing the redundant caldari reload bonus to an optimal range bonus? What's the DPS comparison of those two turrets? Does the railgun deal 90% of the blaster's damage at that range? No? Then the situations are clearly not directly comparable. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 247	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:05:00 - [108] - Quote again, great stuff Rattati might I suggest DEFINITELY keep vehicles in 50 clone ambush... just so vehicles and AV users aren't completely in a boat without a paddle My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Medical Crash Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 356	Posted - 2014.06.18 05:53:00 - [109] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: snip Please keep vehicles out of ALL Ambush modes Rattati, they do not belong in this mode. It's bad enough having to fight against q-synced squads by yourself, having ANY vehicles in ambush period just ruins the infantry experience. I humbly request that all Ambush modes be infantry only, please, most tankers ruin the fun in Ambush(they will abuse the most scrubby tactics, always will), having ALL Ambush modes Infantry only would make DUST very enticing to play again. As of now, I find it very tiring to have to pull out tanks in Ambush at all. I just want to heal people, and without having to find a squad, an infantry only mode would make DUST very very fun again. Thank you for your very hard effort Rattati, the few of us still here appreciate your hard work very very much. I'm glad to see some CCP staff finally caring about their product.
Greiv Rabbah BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 5	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:37:00 - [110] - Quote I'm going to renew my request for a market and remind you that it will put veterans out of newbie zones and allow REAL balancing to start. Also, a lot of players want quests and I'm almost more than 100% sure that could be handled by volunteers like in eve instead of devoting dev man hours to it. Also, people cry min assault is dead until hey find out its a grenadier(which was intentionally killed in 1.2 and killed again even more recently)... I'd like to see med nades and flaylock revived, but I'd like to point out again that until item trade is realized and veterans are pushed out of pubs and into a viable FW to live in low sec(viable FW means player trade) I can't help but wonder why you're wasting time on the same quick fix bandaid "balancing" you've been trying to force feed us for the past year or so? While at the cost of story too?! This is asinine, you aren't addressing the real problems you're just taking advantage of that the average player is an idiot with an attention span too short to realize that no problems in the development pipeline are truly being addressed!



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