The forge gun is the best balanced weapon in the game, it should be left alone. The plasma cannon should be able to OHK infantry, it isn't easy to hit someone and the can avoid it fairly easily. How many times have you been killed by a plasma cannon?

TL;DR

Damage increase of the Plasma Cannon is too low. Skill vs Reward too low compared to swarms

Even after the damage buff the proto plasma cannon will have 32 less DPS than Basic unskilled swarms. ( PROTO PLC 377 VS syd swarms 409) HERE ARE THE NUMBERS

Reconsider numbers to accommodate for how difficult it is to use the plasma cannon. Reward skilled players for using a difficult weapon vs an easy one.

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Min: STD

PLC damage = 1050

volley: 1050

PLC reload speed = 3.5 seconds

PLC animation lock = 1 second

charge time .6

seconds till next shot: 5.1

Max: PROTO rapid reload 5

PLC damage = 1155

volley = 1155

PLC reload speed = 3 seconds

animation lock = 1 second

minimum charge time = .45

seconds till next shot = 4.45

That's a total of 5.1 seconds unskilled and 4.45 seconds all level 5 in between shots... That's a maximum of 314 DPS average if and only if you do not miss any shots which is nearly impossible to do and can only be done on still targets.



Max: Proto PLC Rapid reload 5

PLC damage = 1386

volley = 1386

PLC reload speed 3 seconds

PLC animation lock = 1 second

minimum charge time = .45

Maximum DPS of 377 to vehicles... Still too little because this is AN EXTREMELY SKILLED WEAPON

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STD Swarms DPS

missile damage: = 220

missiles: 4

volley = 880

lock on time = 1.4 seconds

clip size = 3

reload 4.5 seconds = 8.7

DPS = 409

As we can see the std swarms, which require no amount of player skill input to use an by this I mean getting good wit it, already PASSES the DPS of the maximum paper DPS of the proto Plasma Cannon... reminder that the Plasma cannon has a lot more probability to miss a moving target than swarms.

But What about proto swarms?

Proto Swarms: Rapid reload 5

missile damage = 220

missile = 6

missile interval = 1 second

volley = 1320

clip size = 3

reload = 3.8 seconds

DPS = 538 damage per second

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The plasma Cannon is a weapon that has too little Skill vs reward. When compared to the Swarm launchers, no one is going to want to go through the hassle of learning to use a weapon that will still be completely underpowered.

Although the plasma cannon is difficult to use, many more people would use it if the time and skill needed to use it gave a noticeable advantage over an easier and powerful weapon.

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The Plasma Cannon, even with the new numbers gets nowhere near acceptable AV levels. Couple this with it's Extremely HARD to use nature and you have a sub-par weapon that doesn't get used even if the match depended on it. I implore CCP to take a second look at the Plasma Cannon damage.The Plasma Cannon should have more DPS than the swarms simply based on the premis that it takes more skill to use a plasma cannon than to lock on and let go.

The major problem with the plasma cannon is its low travel speed and thus steep trajectory. If you-¦d buff its speed by 50% and decrease its drop by half it would be a lot more useful especially against dropships.
I noticed that it has an insane kick effect on them and this is pretty much how I get most of my dropship kills. Not even the Breach Forge gun or a Large Railgun has a that high kick

Thanks, will read enthusiastically.


What if we had an assault variant PLC that has 2 shots in the clip before reload? It's impossible for Hotfix Alpha because we have to change the descriptions, which means localization and a longer deployment.

Also, think about a breach variant, with longer charge and higher damage.

Just so you all have something to do while I sleep.

i think the problem is.. some people who possibly haven't played EVE don't know the important difference between DPS and alpha. the alpha on plasma is good tho i think needs to be buffed up some to be comparable to Forge guns.

also plasma cannon can be used vs infantry as well where as swarms cannot.

swarms are lock on, while plasma is dumb fire.

throw Flux nade (or 2 depending on cal or gal tank) pop a plasma and gg.

That's right but instead of decreasing the drop I would like to see it gone completey I mean come on its an energy based weapon not a plasma grenade luncher.

I never really understood why in gods name the PLC had this drop limited range with a disappearing projectile ok but this???

Its basically the same with the flaylock pistol I never understood why o rocket pistol had a projectile drop similar to grenade launcher...

Well said but still, the splash damage needs a boost. The blast raius is fine now but the damage against some people around your feet is still kinda squishy.

The splash damage honestly needs to get fixed but not in a sense that one might think. You see, the problem with the plasma cannon is that it has this horrible splash damage detection glitch. It doesnt apply it's full damage to targets so for example I can hit a scout directly at his feet and he only take 90 damage and nothing more. Only after this is cirrected should they think about increasing damage.

The splash damage honestly needs to get fixed but not in a sense that one might think. You see, the problem with the plasma cannon is that it has this horrible splash damage detection glitch. It doesnt apply it's full damage to targets so for example I can hit a scout directly at his feet and he only take 90 damage and nothing more. Only after this is cirrected should they think about increasing damage.

It is an AV weapon though. Why are we even talking about boosting its ability vs infantry? Or do you think all light AV weapons should have anti-infantry capabilities (ie swarm, proxi-mine, and AV grenades).

Just want to clear up one thing for your calculations: The delay between firing and when you start reloading is 1.5 seconds, not 1 second (if you're looking in the SDE, this is the fire interval). This would also be the time between firing shots if there is more than one round in a clip.

On that note, I've been playing around with the fire interval and it feels a lot better when set to 0.5 (a 1 second reduction) so for the single shot variants I'll be looking at the possibility of going with that. For variants with multiple rounds in a clip 1 second interval felt better with full auto and charge (similar to how the bolt pistol works)

Just want to clear up one thing for your calculations: The delay between firing and when you start reloading is 1.5 seconds, not 1 second (if you're looking in the SDE, this is the fire interval). This would also be the time between firing shots if there is more than one round in a clip.

On that note, I've been playing around with the fire interval and it feels a lot better when set to 0.5 (a 1 second reduction) so for the single shot variants I'll be looking at the possibility of going with that. For variants with multiple rounds in a clip 1 second interval felt better with full auto and charge (similar to how the bolt pistol works)

I said I've been exploring reducing the fire interval, not that it's coming for sure. Just have to test a bit more, crunch some numbers and convince CCP Ratatti to make the change.

As for full auto Plasma Cannons, I say for sure we'll add them, but it sure was fun to test one the other day when I was messing around with numbers. (Don't ask about the Burst Plasma Cannon. That was too far)

I said I've been exploring reducing the fire interval, not that it's coming for sure. Just have to test a bit more, crunch some numbers and convince CCP Ratatti to make the change.

As for full auto Plasma Cannons, I can't say for sure we'll add them, but it sure was fun to test one the other day when I was messing around with numbers. (Don't ask about the Burst Plasma Cannon. That was too far)

(Don't ask about the Burst Plasma Cannon. That was too far)

I said I've been exploring reducing the fire interval, not that it's coming for sure. Just have to test a bit more, crunch some numbers and convince CCP Ratatti to make the change.

As for full auto Plasma Cannons, I can't say for sure we'll add them, but it sure was fun to test one the other day when I was messing around with numbers. (Don't ask about the Burst Plasma Cannon. That was too far)

I said I've been exploring reducing the fire interval, not that it's coming for sure. Just have to test a bit more, crunch some numbers and convince CCP Ratatti to make the change.

As for full auto Plasma Cannons, I can't say for sure we'll add them, but it sure was fun to test one the other day when I was messing around with numbers. (Don't ask about the Burst Plasma Cannon. That was too far)

Came here to confirm that even a dual plasma cannon gallente commando is completely useless against any tank, and that ccp in 2 years haven't balanced anything right.