DUST Search - This is how bad the Assault Rifle is

Cat Merc wrote:

Raedon Vo-Graza wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Raedon Vo-Graza wrote:

ANON Cerberus wrote:

The AR is still a good solid weapon. However I do think that the combat rifle does need a little tweak down. I'm not sure if it is the damage so much as the rate of fire. Humm. Its a tricky one.

i would figure the assault rifle, combat rifle, rail rifle, and scrambler rifle should be balanced based on range and rate of fire,where the AR and CR would be somewhat close in damage per bullet but relatively low due to high rate of fire, while doing its best close to mid range. the rail rifle and scrambler rifle would have higher damage per shot, but low rate of fire and its best damage is out at mid range, while at close range the damage is a bit lower.

basically i think the rail rifle and scrambler are made to try and keep people away, try to push them back, while the assault rifle and combat rifle are the in your face bruisers of the bunch

Yes, but Combat Rifle is too much of a bruiser while AR is too little of a bruiser.
CR does ridiculous amounts of damage while AR does too little.

of course, rebalancing of all 4 is needed in my opinion

I think RR vs SCR is fine.
They have similar range, but the SCR can do MUCH more damage, has better ammo economy and has faster reload at the cost of being semi auto and easily overheat.

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Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.05.15 03:55:00 - [1] - Quote I have level 1 combat rifle, not even ammo or reload, just the basic combat rifle. And I might as well use it instead of a GEK. The ammo will probably last about as much time on my logi as my level 2 or 3 (I think) AR ammo, and I can pretty much guarantee it's more powerful. Hell I bet the RS-90 does more DPS than the Duvolle, but it'll be a while before I consider skilling into the CR. Still gotta get some use out of my Thales and such. GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4417	Posted - 2014.05.15 03:56:00 - [2] - Quote Let's just say it instead of doing comparisons. The CR is OP. The AR is the result of requested nerf by the community. Go figure. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:06:00 - [3] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Let's just say it instead of doing comparisons. The CR is OP. The AR is the result of requested nerf by the community. Go figure. Just another thing on the list of what won't be fixed before CCP abandons Dust permanently. GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 672	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:10:00 - [4] - Quote The AR is still a good solid weapon. However I do think that the combat rifle does need a little tweak down. I'm not sure if it is the damage so much as the rate of fire. Humm. Its a tricky one.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4419	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:12:00 - [5] - Quote I would say the damage is pretty high. Once I get hit by a CR, I really don't have much time to react. Reminds me of how the RR was. No other weapon can knock down a heavy faster than a CR. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9675	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:13:00 - [6] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: The AR is still a good solid weapon. However I do think that the combat rifle does need a little tweak down. I'm not sure if it is the damage so much as the rate of fire. Humm. Its a tricky one. Wouldn't call it a solid weapon. I rather use an SMG than an AR, I'm serious. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Raedon Vo-Graza Armored Dragon Corp 11	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:18:00 - [7] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: The AR is still a good solid weapon. However I do think that the combat rifle does need a little tweak down. I'm not sure if it is the damage so much as the rate of fire. Humm. Its a tricky one. i would figure the assault rifle, combat rifle, rail rifle, and scrambler rifle should be balanced based on range and rate of fire,where the AR and CR would be somewhat close in damage per bullet but relatively low due to high rate of fire, while doing its best close to mid range. the rail rifle and scrambler rifle would have higher damage per shot, but low rate of fire and its best damage is out at mid range, while at close range the damage is a bit lower. basically i think the rail rifle and scrambler are made to try and keep people away, try to push them back, while the assault rifle and combat rifle are the in your face bruisers of the bunch
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4419	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:19:00 - [8] - Quote so basically RR went the way of the Tac AR... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9675	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:21:00 - [9] - Quote Raedon Vo-Graza wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: The AR is still a good solid weapon. However I do think that the combat rifle does need a little tweak down. I'm not sure if it is the damage so much as the rate of fire. Humm. Its a tricky one. i would figure the assault rifle, combat rifle, rail rifle, and scrambler rifle should be balanced based on range and rate of fire,where the AR and CR would be somewhat close in damage per bullet but relatively low due to high rate of fire, while doing its best close to mid range. the rail rifle and scrambler rifle would have higher damage per shot, but low rate of fire and its best damage is out at mid range, while at close range the damage is a bit lower. basically i think the rail rifle and scrambler are made to try and keep people away, try to push them back, while the assault rifle and combat rifle are the in your face bruisers of the bunch Yes, but Combat Rifle is too much of a bruiser while AR is too little of a bruiser. CR does ridiculous amounts of damage while AR does too little. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Raedon Vo-Graza Armored Dragon Corp 11	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:21:00 - [10] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: so basically RR went the way of the Tac AR... the RR is the old TAC AR the CR the the burst AR and the SCR is the old Breach AR i may have the tac and the breach swapped... the one that was single shot is now the scr and the one with low rof is now the rr

Raedon Vo-Graza Armored Dragon Corp 11	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:22:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Raedon Vo-Graza wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: The AR is still a good solid weapon. However I do think that the combat rifle does need a little tweak down. I'm not sure if it is the damage so much as the rate of fire. Humm. Its a tricky one. i would figure the assault rifle, combat rifle, rail rifle, and scrambler rifle should be balanced based on range and rate of fire,where the AR and CR would be somewhat close in damage per bullet but relatively low due to high rate of fire, while doing its best close to mid range. the rail rifle and scrambler rifle would have higher damage per shot, but low rate of fire and its best damage is out at mid range, while at close range the damage is a bit lower. basically i think the rail rifle and scrambler are made to try and keep people away, try to push them back, while the assault rifle and combat rifle are the in your face bruisers of the bunch Yes, but Combat Rifle is too much of a bruiser while AR is too little of a bruiser. CR does ridiculous amounts of damage while AR does too little. of course, rebalancing of all 4 is needed in my opinion
DozersMouse XIII Inner.Hell 789	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:24:00 - [12] - Quote I can still do good with AR the problem is I'm using a duvolle don't harm the hamsters
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9675	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:29:00 - [13] - Quote Raedon Vo-Graza wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Raedon Vo-Graza wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: The AR is still a good solid weapon. However I do think that the combat rifle does need a little tweak down. I'm not sure if it is the damage so much as the rate of fire. Humm. Its a tricky one. i would figure the assault rifle, combat rifle, rail rifle, and scrambler rifle should be balanced based on range and rate of fire,where the AR and CR would be somewhat close in damage per bullet but relatively low due to high rate of fire, while doing its best close to mid range. the rail rifle and scrambler rifle would have higher damage per shot, but low rate of fire and its best damage is out at mid range, while at close range the damage is a bit lower. basically i think the rail rifle and scrambler are made to try and keep people away, try to push them back, while the assault rifle and combat rifle are the in your face bruisers of the bunch Yes, but Combat Rifle is too much of a bruiser while AR is too little of a bruiser. CR does ridiculous amounts of damage while AR does too little. of course, rebalancing of all 4 is needed in my opinion I think RR vs SCR is fine. They have similar range, but the SCR can do MUCH more damage, has better ammo economy and has faster reload at the cost of being semi auto and easily overheat. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
bhold'the brngr ofLIKE Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:34:00 - [14] - Quote maybe this will be the next content were all waiting for
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2945	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:36:00 - [15] - Quote Think the cloak needs fixing first, but yeah the CR needs an adjustment. CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:37:00 - [16] - Quote i can't really speak for the ScR or RR, because I don't use them, but I sure do get killed pretty easily by them (even though the RR was just nerfed hard its still good) but the CR definitely needs a small nerf and AR needs a substantial buff i read a thread a while ago that says the CR does more DPS to shields than the AR which is absolutely sad. how do I know the CR needs a nerf? because I have a full proto Amarr Sentinel, which has the highest eHP vs Combat Rifles in this game, and a Minmatar Assault who was also in full proto almost killed me because his clip size was so large. Not sure if it actually out-DPSes the HMG but god damn that was some scary ****. GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:39:00 - [17] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Think the cloak needs fixing first, but yeah the CR needs an adjustment. Eh. I get to where I'm not even afraid of it anymore. People who think it's OP don't realize that if you have a logi with proto scans, or if you bring a Gal Logi or Cal Scout in your squad to a PC battle, that cloak is going to get scanned. I really don't think it's as much of an issue as people think it is. GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
Raedon Vo-Graza Armored Dragon Corp 11	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:45:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Raedon Vo-Graza wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Raedon Vo-Graza wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: The AR is still a good solid weapon. However I do think that the combat rifle does need a little tweak down. I'm not sure if it is the damage so much as the rate of fire. Humm. Its a tricky one. i would figure the assault rifle, combat rifle, rail rifle, and scrambler rifle should be balanced based on range and rate of fire,where the AR and CR would be somewhat close in damage per bullet but relatively low due to high rate of fire, while doing its best close to mid range. the rail rifle and scrambler rifle would have higher damage per shot, but low rate of fire and its best damage is out at mid range, while at close range the damage is a bit lower. basically i think the rail rifle and scrambler are made to try and keep people away, try to push them back, while the assault rifle and combat rifle are the in your face bruisers of the bunch Yes, but Combat Rifle is too much of a bruiser while AR is too little of a bruiser. CR does ridiculous amounts of damage while AR does too little. of course, rebalancing of all 4 is needed in my opinion I think RR vs SCR is fine. They have similar range, but the SCR can do MUCH more damage, has better ammo economy and has faster reload at the cost of being semi auto and easily overheat. honestly, while i adore the SCR (i lvl 5'd the crap out of it) i think its a bit too strong, even with out a charge. i can out rof a rr with a scr very easily, (semi auto is my ideal kind of gun) so the scr is kinda tough to balance in my eyes, while for some it might be good where it is( and i have no problems with that), i have an easy time applying huge amounts of dps in short order
PAXTON HAILFIRE Expert Intervention Caldari State 57	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:46:00 - [19] - Quote I have the AR maxed out and rarely use it over the RR, CR, and SCR all at lvl 3 prof. I'm a far better shot with the AR, but cant outrange the other 3. I only use the AR in cqb maps. Even then, the other 3 can own your ass. Better off going fat man and charging in. When you get someone in the ARs sweet zone, its pretty awesome, but its a small zone. For me, anyway. Better off running the other 3 with an smg. Makes me QQ I wasted all that sp. Thanks CCP! Its why I never purchase boosters. Why waste money on something that will get nerfed to nearly useless in 4 months or less. Add swarm launchers, sniper rifles, and faylocks to stupid nerfs as lack of testing by ccp. Found REs to be a kick in the pants. Dead man trigger nerfed. Par for the course. I should have skilled tanks and **** suits from day 1. I stayed away from cloaking but I was certain that would sponge bobbed into uselessness. Sorry, makes me wonder if these clowns play their own game. I think they follow me around and say, "Hailfire killed more than he died in a battle, better nerf that **."
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.05.15 05:03:00 - [20] - Quote PAXTON HAILFIRE wrote: I have the AR maxed out and rarely use it over the RR, CR, and SCR all at lvl 3 prof. I'm a far better shot with the AR, but cant outrange the other 3. I only use the AR in cqb maps. Even then, the other 3 can own your ass. Better off going fat man and charging in. When you get someone in the ARs sweet zone, its pretty awesome, but its a small zone. For me, anyway. Better off running the other 3 with an smg. Makes me QQ I wasted all that sp. Thanks CCP! Its why I never purchase boosters. Why waste money on something that will get nerfed to nearly useless in 4 months or less. Add swarm launchers, sniper rifles (50 cal that takes 5 shots to kill a heavy), and faylocks to stupid nerfs as lack of testing by ccp. Found REs to be a kick in the pants. Dead man trigger nerfed. Par for the course. I should have skilled tanks and fatboy suits from day 1. I stayed away from cloaking as I was certain that would get sponge bobbed into uselessness. Sorry, makes me wonder if these clowns play their own game. I think they follow me around and say, "Hailfire killed more than he died in a battle, better nerf that ****." Don't get me wrong, I know what you're talking about. I've pretty much used the Assault Rifle for the past 8 months until 1.8 came, and allowed me to respec into heavy. I'm just now getting back into it because I've finished with the heavy weapons tree and have started specing into a Logi to use the AR again. But I really don't see where you don't feel the massive nerf the AR has gotten since 1.7, and their "rebalance" for 1.8 hasn't really changed much. I know what you're talking about, that there's a niche for the AR at medium range, but honestly that isn't going to save you from someone who knows what they're doing with a Combat Rifle, especially if you don't get the element of surprise on them. The way the weapon handles just does not give you any advantage over raw DPS. To be honest with you I'd do better at short to medium range with an assault forge gun than with an AR. GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++

PAXTON HAILFIRE Expert Intervention Caldari State 60	Posted - 2014.05.15 05:33:00 - [21] - Quote No, I think it was killed after 1.7. I'm not a good enough player to get in that sweet zone. It happens by accident. But, I can melt a heavy with a duvolle if I'm in it. Thats a pro weapon. GEK, blah. Rather run a standard RR. The ARs niche is too tight. I run heavy now, or Commando with an SCR, CR assault, or RR combo of some sort. ARs, I run because I have like a hundred sitting on a shelf. I kill more with REs on my logi than with my AR. Use it to bait em in, lol. I think what you missed is I can aim the AR. I'm personnaly not as good with a CR.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 617	Posted - 2014.05.15 07:36:00 - [22] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Think the cloak needs fixing first, but yeah the CR needs an adjustment. LOL really? Still butthurt about cloaks? Get gud scrub.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2014.05.15 07:42:00 - [23] - Quote PAXTON HAILFIRE wrote: No, I think it was killed after 1.7. I'm not a good enough player to get in that sweet zone. It happens by accident. But, I can melt a heavy with a duvolle if I'm in it. Thats a pro weapon. GEK, blah. Rather run a standard RR. The ARs niche is too tight. I run heavy now, or Commando with an SCR, CR assault, or RR combo of some sort. ARs, I run because I have like a hundred sitting on a shelf. I kill more with REs on my logi than with my AR. Use it to bait em in, lol. I think what you missed is I can aim the AR. I'm personnaly not as good with a CR. that's the thing, i'm using it on a cheap adv logi WP farming fit so it has to be a GEK (or basic CR), because I can only run full proto with LP gear right now I think I know what you're talking about now. The hipfire on the combat rifle's harder to use at range than the assault rifle, and the iron sight is different too GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1205	Posted - 2014.05.15 08:20:00 - [24] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Let's just say it instead of doing comparisons. The CR is OP. The AR is the result of requested nerf by the community. Go figure. No one was asking for the AR to be nerfed after the CR and RR were released. But CCP just had to put the final nail in the coffin.
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1205	Posted - 2014.05.15 08:26:00 - [25] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: how do I know the CR needs a nerf? because I have a full proto Amarr Sentinel, which has the highest eHP vs Combat Rifles in this game, and a Minmatar Assault who was also in full proto almost killed me because his clip size was so large. Not sure if it actually out-DPSes the HMG but god damn that was some scary ****. Confirming that any weapon that almost kills someone is OP.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2014.05.15 08:28:00 - [26] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: how do I know the CR needs a nerf? because I have a full proto Amarr Sentinel, which has the highest eHP vs Combat Rifles in this game, and a Minmatar Assault who was also in full proto almost killed me because his clip size was so large. Not sure if it actually out-DPSes the HMG but god damn that was some scary ****. Confirming that any weapon that almost kills someone is OP. What was scary, I had to reload and he didn't GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13272	Posted - 2014.05.15 08:55:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: so basically RR went the way of the Tac AR... ... No. No it didn't. Happy Violentime wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Think the cloak needs fixing first, but yeah the CR needs an adjustment. LOL really? Still butthurt about cloaks? Get gud scrub. If you feel that being able to fire a shotgun before you've even decloaked is fine, you are relying on a crutch. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 1489	Posted - 2014.05.15 08:55:00 - [28] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: so basically RR went the way of the Tac AR... DO. NOT. DISRESPECT. THE. GLU-5 TACTICAL ASSAULT RIFLE. Rail Rifle Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft. Sucks compared to the GLU-5. Annoying as hell to use and sounds worse. Jack-Of-All-Trades, GJR Approved Favorite Suits Weapons- GLU-5, SCR, SCP, BP, HMG, Turtle, Tux, CalLogi, CalAssault
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2014.05.15 09:05:00 - [29] - Quote i never liked the tactical AR. or the breach for that matter GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
Cardio Therapy Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 17	Posted - 2014.05.15 09:14:00 - [30] - Quote AR and all variants now are underpowered to CR. Players are using assault CR. Assault RR and Assault scrambler, but nobody is using breach, burst or tactical AR, because they are useless. The standard AR is a decent weapon but it is behind the CR and other rifles. Now Gallente sucks with the nerf of the scanners too.



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