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Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 38	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:37:00 - [1] - Quote If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2271	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:41:00 - [2] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant?
Void Echo Total Extinction 2560	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:42:00 - [3] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? are pc elitists so ignorant to think that they have the superior system when people have consoles that do far better than some gaming pc does. plus what would be the point In switching over when none of your friends are on PC? Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil. - Void Echo
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2271	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:46:00 - [4] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? are pc elitists so ignorant to think that they have the superior system when people have consoles that do far better than some gaming pc does. plus what would be the point In switching over when none of your friends are on PC? Wow I guess that console users are this ignorant, lol. I don't really have time to explain all the absolute ignorance displayed in both this post, and the OP because I'm at work and on my phone. I assume someone else will.
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 38	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:48:00 - [5] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? we upgrade when we buy a new console now just answer the question can i spend $400 dollars on a gaming laptop and play the best games on the market right now and this gaming laptop be viable and you keep trashing the ps3 yet the Last of us which was a ps3 exclusive was the Game of the Year followed by GTA V which was a console exclusive
Void Echo Total Extinction 2560	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:49:00 - [6] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Void Echo wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? are pc elitists so ignorant to think that they have the superior system when people have consoles that do far better than some gaming pc does. plus what would be the point In switching over when none of your friends are on PC? Wow I guess that console users are this ignorant, lol. I don't really have time to explain all the absolute ignorance displayed in both this post, and the OP because I'm at work and on my phone. I assume someone else will. you pc elitists are truly ignorant. Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil. - Void Echo
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2275	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:50:00 - [7] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? we upgrade when we buy a new console now just answer the question can i spend $400 dollars on a gaming laptop and play the best games on the market right now and 7 years from now. also you keep trashing the ps3 yet the Last of us which was a ps3 exclusive was the Game of the Year followed by GTA V which was a console exclusive No, you cannot play the best games on the market on the PS3.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 87	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:50:00 - [8] - Quote What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to.
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 38	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:52:00 - [9] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. how much did you pay for your computer
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2275	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:53:00 - [10] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. They will never understand. You've used "big" words and logic.

THE 2000 SWINE Commando Perkone Caldari State 47	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:53:00 - [11] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? PC will run every virus, malware, trojan, wall hack, aimbot, and loads of other C# software enhancements. Your dusting ignorant.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 87	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:55:00 - [12] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? we upgrade when we buy a new console now just answer the question can i spend $400 dollars on a gaming laptop and play the best games on the market right now and 7 years from now. also you keep trashing the ps3 yet the Last of us which was a ps3 exclusive was the Game of the Year followed by GTA V which was a console exclusive. $400 is the going price of a ps4 thats why i use hat as my benchmark For the love of God, DONT buy a gamming laptop. Just... dont. They are overpriced stuff that will nto perform as well as a desktop with similar especifications. The last time i read articles, it was said that the GPU gtx750Ti was a good alternative for a new PC capable of matching a PS4 performance. Its about $149 at new egg. Assemble a system around it. It will probably come closer to $600, but a PC can do a lot more than gamming, so theres that.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2275	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:56:00 - [13] - Quote THE 2000 SWINE wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? PC will run every virus, malware, trojan, wall hack, aimbot, and loads of other C# software enhancements. Your dusting ignorant. You're right. These are insurmountable issues. That's why they use consoles for business.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1367	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:57:00 - [14] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console. Where did you get those numbers? Firstly, $1,000 is a pretty large sum. By shopping smart and understanding what's really necessary for gaming performance, you can construct your own gaming PC that is superior to any next-gen console for significantly less than $1,000. Secondly, why would it not last as long? I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4366	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:58:00 - [15] - Quote Skyrim PS3 < Skyrim PC w/mods Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 453	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:58:00 - [16] - Quote So much facepalm in this thread. Gifs are gone :(
Tectonic Fusion 1653	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:00:00 - [17] - Quote THE 2000 SWINE wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? PC will run every virus, malware, trojan, wall hack, aimbot, and loads of other C# software enhancements. Your dusting ignorant. The worst anti virus can block all of those lol EDIT: You can also get anti virus/anti malware for free in some places.
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 38	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:00:00 - [18] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? we upgrade when we buy a new console now just answer the question can i spend $400 dollars on a gaming laptop and play the best games on the market right now and 7 years from now. also you keep trashing the ps3 yet the Last of us which was a ps3 exclusive was the Game of the Year followed by GTA V which was a console exclusive. $400 is the going price of a ps4 thats why i use hat as my benchmark For the love of God, DONT buy a gamming laptop. Just... dont. They are overpriced stuff that will nto perform as well as a desktop with similar especifications. The last time i read articles, it was said that the GPU gtx750Ti was a good alternative for a new PC capable of matching a PS4 performance. Its about $149 at new egg. Assemble a system around it. It will probably come closer to $600, but a PC can do a lot more than gamming, so theres that. Also, most parts will be still being able to be used at your next upgrade some years from now, so the cost of upgrading would be way lower then buying a new console when the time comes. thank you you have been knowledgeable and respectful on the way you have answered the question I will stick with a PS4 just because it is cheaper. I will also admit I cannot assemble a PC.
Death Shadow117 79	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:01:00 - [19] - Quote oh wow i toughr all pc gamers lived in their moms basement and played WOW but u guess you guys proved me right thats why you fags wont get destiny for youe ****** system When Can I Have Assault Nova Knives
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 38	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:01:00 - [20] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console. Where did you get those numbers? Firstly, $1,000 is a pretty large sum. By shopping smart and understanding what's really necessary for gaming performance, you can construct your own gaming PC that is superior to any next-gen console for significantly less than $1,000. Secondly, why would it not last as long? My roomate just blew half his tax return on a gaming PC and thats what he spent.

Buster Friently Rosen Association 2280	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:07:00 - [21] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console. Where did you get those numbers? Firstly, $1,000 is a pretty large sum. By shopping smart and understanding what's really necessary for gaming performance, you can construct your own gaming PC that is superior to any next-gen console for significantly less than $1,000. Secondly, why would it not last as long? My roomate just blew half his tax return on a gaming PC and thats what he spent. You certainly can spend that much and more, but it depends on what you want to achieve.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 89	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:09:00 - [22] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? we upgrade when we buy a new console now just answer the question can i spend $400 dollars on a gaming laptop and play the best games on the market right now and 7 years from now. also you keep trashing the ps3 yet the Last of us which was a ps3 exclusive was the Game of the Year followed by GTA V which was a console exclusive. $400 is the going price of a ps4 thats why i use hat as my benchmark For the love of God, DONT buy a gamming laptop. Just... dont. They are overpriced stuff that will nto perform as well as a desktop with similar especifications. The last time i read articles, it was said that the GPU gtx750Ti was a good alternative for a new PC capable of matching a PS4 performance. Its about $149 at new egg. Assemble a system around it. It will probably come closer to $600, but a PC can do a lot more than gamming, so theres that. Also, most parts will be still being able to be used at your next upgrade some years from now, so the cost of upgrading would be way lower then buying a new console when the time comes. thank you you have been knowledgeable and respectful on the way you have answered the question I will stick with a PS4 just because it is cheaper. I will also admit I cannot assemble a PC. If you feel like I would sugest going for this sub-reddit, they can help with builds better than I could. http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc When I build a PC I dont really go after low costs, I go for what I can get with the money I am willing to spend. So while I probably would assemble for myself a costly machine, I know I dont need to. But as I use my machine also for home office, and as a media server for my home, and to Multibox EVE, or even run EVE while playing a shooter (fro fleets in EVE can take forever), I need it to have some extra-juice.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2815	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:10:00 - [23] - Quote A gaming PC is more expensive... period. We can just stop this argument now. Going from no PS4s to one PS4 is cheaper than going from no PCs to one gaming PC. However, CPU tech has been evolving fairly slowly for the last few years since the second generation core i processors were released in 2010-2011. Graphics cards do continually evolve at a fairly rapid pace still, the most notable being a huge surge in VRAM over the last two generations. Now... keep in mind that PS4 you have is never going to get better. It runs at a level of graphical fidelity that you, personally, find acceptable and as long as you find that acceptable it will continue to give you that performance. You buy it, plug it in, and forget it. You know what... that is great. There are a lot of people who are too busy, too tired, too 'whatever' to want to deal with anything more than that, and you guys have every right to feel that way. There is a second group of people who love building, improving, and tinkering.. etc. Gaming is a hobby, whether on a PC or a console... any amount of money you spend on a hobby is only a waste if you perceive it is (but then... why would you pursue the hobby in the first place if you felt it was waste?). I built my first gaming PC in 2011 for ~$1200 (I had a student copy of windows for free) and have since spent ~$400 more adding in little things here and there. Not because I have to, but because I WANT to, I enjoy the tinkering and the improving. With the customizable platforms comes the ability to play games that, simply put, outperform any generation of console. I'm not superior to you because I have a gaming PC, we just choose to experience our hobby, gaming, in different ways. Consoles are more cost efficient - hands down that is undeniable. PCs are more powerful - also undeniable. Don't be afraid to assemble a PC though... its not hard at all anymore. If you can plug your PS3 into a power socket you can build a PC.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 89	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:11:00 - [24] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console. Where did you get those numbers? Firstly, $1,000 is a pretty large sum. By shopping smart and understanding what's really necessary for gaming performance, you can construct your own gaming PC that is superior to any next-gen console for significantly less than $1,000. Secondly, why would it not last as long? My roomate just blew half his tax return on a gaming PC and thats what he spent. You certainly can spend that much and more, but it depends on what you want to achieve. Yeah thats true. Its like cars, you can spend less or more, but both will take you to your destination. One with more luxury than the other.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2280	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:18:00 - [25] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: A gaming PC is more expensive... period. We can just stop this argument now. Going from no PS4s to one PS4 is cheaper than going from no PCs to one gaming PC. However, CPU tech has been evolving fairly slowly for the last few years since the second generation core i processors were released in 2010-2011. Graphics cards do continually evolve at a fairly rapid pace still, the most notable being a huge surge in VRAM over the last two generations. Now... keep in mind that PS4 you have is never going to get better. It runs at a level of graphical fidelity that you, personally, find acceptable and as long as you find that acceptable it will continue to give you that performance. You buy it, plug it in, and forget it. You know what... that is great. There are a lot of people who are too busy, too tired, too 'whatever' to want to deal with anything more than that, and you guys have every right to feel that way. There is a second group of people who love building, improving, and tinkering.. etc. Gaming is a hobby, whether on a PC or a console... any amount of money you spend on a hobby is only a waste if you perceive it is (but then... why would you pursue the hobby in the first place if you felt it was waste?). I built my first gaming PC in 2011 for ~$1200 (I had a student copy of windows for free) and have since spent ~$400 more adding in little things here and there. Not because I have to, but because I WANT to, I enjoy the tinkering and the improving. With the customizable platforms comes the ability to play games that, simply put, outperform any generation of console. I'm not superior to you because I have a gaming PC, we just choose to experience our hobby, gaming, in different ways. Consoles are more cost efficient - hands down that is undeniable. PCs are more powerful - also undeniable. Don't be afraid to assemble a PC though... its not hard at all anymore. If you can plug your PS3 into a power socket you can build a PC. While this is factual, you are getting more for your money with PC typically. So while it is more expensive, you're getting more, so I'm not convinced regarding the efficiency argument. Also, you can get lots of PC games on much better discounts than console games. Obviously there's also the whole "all the stuff other than games argument as well". IMHO, it's true that you'll spend more money, but you'll get more than that monetary difference back in increased utility. Also, I do have both PCs and consoles, so I've seen both sides if this.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 635	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:21:00 - [26] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. ...compare money and art - art killing. ...sorry for bad English =)
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 89	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:21:00 - [27] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: A gaming PC is more expensive... period. We can just stop this argument now. Going from no PS4s to one PS4 is cheaper than going from no PCs to one gaming PC. However, CPU tech has been evolving fairly slowly for the last few years since the second generation core i processors were released in 2010-2011. Graphics cards do continually evolve at a fairly rapid pace still, the most notable being a huge surge in VRAM over the last two generations. Now... keep in mind that PS4 you have is never going to get better. It runs at a level of graphical fidelity that you, personally, find acceptable and as long as you find that acceptable it will continue to give you that performance. You buy it, plug it in, and forget it. You know what... that is great. There are a lot of people who are too busy, too tired, too 'whatever' to want to deal with anything more than that, and you guys have every right to feel that way. There is a second group of people who love building, improving, and tinkering.. etc. Gaming is a hobby, whether on a PC or a console... any amount of money you spend on a hobby is only a waste if you perceive it is (but then... why would you pursue the hobby in the first place if you felt it was waste?). I built my first gaming PC in 2011 for ~$1200 (I had a student copy of windows for free) and have since spent ~$400 more adding in little things here and there. Not because I have to, but because I WANT to, I enjoy the tinkering and the improving. With the customizable platforms comes the ability to play games that, simply put, outperform any generation of console. I'm not superior to you because I have a gaming PC, we just choose to experience our hobby, gaming, in different ways. Consoles are more cost efficient - hands down that is undeniable. PCs are more powerful - also undeniable. Don't be afraid to assemble a PC though... its not hard at all anymore. If you can plug your PS3 into a power socket you can build a PC. Very well put. I myself have my PC, and usually buy the console after a few years, when its cheaper, already on the second iteration (like the PS3 slim) and with a good library of games.
Cosgar 9273	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:25:00 - [28] - Quote It just comes down to two things: Console = Out of the box experience. Low maitenence, superior local multiplayer experience. Can be obselete after a few years. PC = Highly customizable. Medium to high maitenence, local multiplayer can be harder to set up. Longer shelf life than consoles. It depends on the person and how much you want to spend or what games you prefer playing. I always preffered stuff like FPS and dungeon crawlers on PC but I'd rather play action and most local/online multiplayer on consoles. This master race crap is nonsense since both platforms have their own strengths and weaknesses. Call 1-800-345-SONY, press 2, then 2 again to get your money back if you bought AUR in the past 90 days.
Hecarim Van Hohen 1423	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:26:00 - [29] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? Add in extra 300-400$ and you'll out perform the PS4 and you might even challenge the PS5 Also why is this thread filled with angry comments on PC vs console? Who cares what you play on State your stance on EVE:Legion t¢«_t¢«
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14823	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:33:00 - [30] - Quote Speaking as hobbyist computer tech. My current feel on the environment is damned if you do damned if you dont. i7s for example have been out for a while and are in a stabilized price board wise. Its replacement is not in sight but the prospect or idea of one is around the corner. But because of that the i7 prices are not going to drop down any further. Then there is DDR4's around the corner as well and it may be the last memory standard by that organization. The whole technology is constantly changing and its really hard to predict how long any tech will stay for. What is easy to predict is how fast tech gets adopted (thus going in the latest can bite you here if nobody supports it) or unsupported if its popular. So when making purchases stick with standards goto tech. So we are in a 'mid cycle' so to say. Worst time to upgrade because prices are not fair and tech disparity may be too great once the cycle ends. Now based on experience in this cycle this cycle has been very kind to me. My total construct based on day of purchase is about 4,000 usd (my drawing monitor is 2.7k usd at the day of purchase) reproducing my build minus the monitor is probably around 700 usd these days and my computer is considered upper tier middleweight. I can run Eve; FFXIV; Warframe on Ultra at the same time across the two monitors I do have with a 24 gig picture in the drawing at the same time. I only upgraded the video card once but it only basically matched the power of my previous on keeping similar performances but with less power which basically took my day of purchase 400 usd cards and replaced it with a card you can get these days for 176$. The most expensive components in my computer memory and storage still I have 24 gigs (overkill for games seriously but I need that much for other crap I do) and hard drives which just basically been a collection from...my last four previous computers. Well the whole you can build a top end game machine for same cost of a console is true. And if the tech doesn't change too much. Upgrading from previous gen to next gen is an order of half cost because majority of your investments previously can stay in your computer to the day they fail. Memory Hard Drives Power Supplies Monitors they stick with you through the upgrades easily the most intensive replacing most one would have to do is generally the GPU, then CPU and then Motherboard. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 114	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:33:00 - [31] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. Im not a big fan of laptops for gaming. If you dont mind reducing the eye candy for framerate a gaming pc can have a pretty long lifespan, a good 1k$ gaming desktop should have you set up for atleast 3-4 years, it only really gets expensive if you want the eye-candy for future games. For a game like Legion and other competitive shooters people will just reduce the detail to get framerate so the lifetime of the system will potentially be alot longer without in any way compromising the ability to compete. No console will ever give you the versatilty of a more expensive pc, but even if the focus is gaming only the price difference is not as big as some people think, I often use my 55" tv (and a controller) with my pc (Skyrim+High def textures <3) but I really have come to appreciate consoles, they are not an alternative to the pc tho (Great supplement, especially for local multiplayer, exclusives and media center)
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 90	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:33:00 - [32] - Quote I've heard also that the PS4 might get a shorter life expectancy than the PS3 got. When the PS3 was released, it was a beast. The PS4 isnt all that comparatively, equating to a mid-high experience, so probably its shelf life will be shorter. Sony will probably have a new console out in 4 or 5 years.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2281	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:35:00 - [33] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: I've heard also that the PS4 might get a shorter life expectancy than the PS3 got. When the PS3 was released, it was a beast. The PS4 isnt all that comparatively, equating to a mid-high experience, so probably its shelf life will be shorter. Sony will probably have a new console out in 4 or 5 years. I believe this to be true and actually somewhat optimistic. There might not be a next generation of dedicated gaming consoles.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2281	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:38:00 - [34] - Quote I'd like to apologize to the OP. I assumed, based on the post, that he actually knew the answer to his question and was trying to troll to stir up ****. I didn't realize that it was a Legendre question.
byte modal 73	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:40:00 - [35] - Quote meow. Loaded and unfair question, honestly. If we're going to use that logic as a basis for argument, then the fact I'm still screwing around with Phantasy Star II on the Sega Genesis has all you b!tches beat. How many decades and still going strong? Look, your premise is apples to kiwi here. Sure, a PC costs more, granted. A console is cheaper and will continue to play newly released titles as they come out, and development will evolve in time to become more efficient allowing a level of progressive improvements as dev teams become intimately familiar with the environment and its limitations. Two things you are at best assuming or at worst blatantly misrepresenting: 1. Console development is bound to the finite limitations of the platform. New releases will be produced and sold. Some production teams will make subtle contributions to the development standards, others will make great mind-blowing strides (mmm Strider). But all development will still be bound by the limitations of that console's architecture. Capacity will be reached, and the cycle will begin anew, as Elton John so eloquently explained in the Lion King. 2. Console development does not exist in a vacuum. As experience and efficiencies are gained over the lifespan of that console's development and support, so too are the same efficiencies made within the PC gaming world. The difference? The console is capped and frozen as another poster puts it. Sooner or later, gaming concepts, commercial application, and customer expectation will exceed the limitations of any console (generalizing, I know, as many older systems still offer considerable value for entertainment---see my Genesis reference up top). Development will reach a threshold that the console system will eventually be unable to support, thus creating the need for the next generation of console development. The PC goes through the same cycle, of course, but a key difference is modular upgrades and software rendering efficiencies that evolve independently of the core PC system. Bump the RAM and switch cards and done. I'm not wiping an entire system for the latest and greatest. Even without the upgrades, I can still reduce performance load to stretch my gaming PC on well past it's marketed life cycle----all at, a very minimum, the same specs as console if not better. All while being able to access the then newest releases on down the line. lol, all ribbing aside, I get the frustration. I'm not happy about it either, but for different reasons. While upset, I can still empathize with the long-term concerns and current practicalities of development (their method of development), and can appreciate the intent. At its core, to me, was the simple shyte smack in the face that was the Legion announcement. I wonder, had that been handled better, would the blind outrage be nearly as.... blind? You honestly have far more reasonable arguments to make, if love of the game's longevity is your motive. Sooner or later, the tantrums have to end if you expect to be taken seriously by any gaming community aside from those who's only purpose is to burn something just for the sake of watching it burn. That's not a development problem, that's psychological and petulant. Though I still stand by my assertion that Phantasy Star II proves that the Sega Genesis' life is far from over, and as a result, it is unquestionably the superior gaming system. Wait. The cartridge save-state battery died back in the late 90s. sh!t, Rolf and Nei are GONE?! you got me there. Please ignore this post. all the best, - me. Irony: Post #35
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2821	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:44:00 - [36] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: While this is factual, you are getting more for your money with PC typically. So while it is more expensive, you're getting more, so I'm not convinced regarding the efficiency argument. Also, you can get lots of PC games on much better discounts than console games. Obviously there's also the whole "all the stuff other than games argument as well". IMHO, it's true that you'll spend more money, but you'll get more than that monetary difference back in increased utility. Also, I do have both PCs and consoles, so I've seen both sides if this. imo at least, cost efficiency is more long term with PCs. You get amazing steam deals which help of course, but where I feel PC gaming really takes off is in upgrading. My PC requires only a new video card every 4 years or so to pretty much remain to of the line. At 300-350 for a VERY nice video card I can maintain a level of play far above consoles for a similar expensive (400-500 every 5-6 years). But the upfront cost of building the PC from having nothing is steep... its a barrier to entry that isn't worth it for many people. I don't blame them... I do blame them for demanding that companies don't make PC games because they don't feel like buying a PC though.
uruz7 fish FDF Industries 110	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:48:00 - [37] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: While this is factual, you are getting more for your money with PC typically. So while it is more expensive, you're getting more, so I'm not convinced regarding the efficiency argument. Also, you can get lots of PC games on much better discounts than console games. Obviously there's also the whole "all the stuff other than games argument as well". IMHO, it's true that you'll spend more money, but you'll get more than that monetary difference back in increased utility. Also, I do have both PCs and consoles, so I've seen both sides if this. imo at least, cost efficiency is more long term with PCs. You get amazing steam deals which help of course, but where I feel PC gaming really takes off is in upgrading. My PC requires only a new video card every 4 years or so to pretty much remain to of the line. At 300-350 for a VERY nice video card I can maintain a level of play far above consoles for a similar expensive (400-500 every 5-6 years). But the upfront cost of building the PC from having nothing is steep... its a barrier to entry that isn't worth it for many people. I don't blame them... I do blame them for demanding that companies don't make PC games because they don't feel like buying a PC though. The savings are pretty much made up in the steam sales :P
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1074	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:52:00 - [38] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: Ender Storm wrote: For the love of God, DONT buy a gamming laptop. Just... dont. They are overpriced stuff that will nto perform as well as a desktop with similar especifications. The last time i read articles, it was said that the GPU gtx750Ti was a good alternative for a new PC capable of matching a PS4 performance. Its about $149 at new egg. Assemble a system around it. It will probably come closer to $600, but a PC can do a lot more than gamming, so theres that. Also, most parts will be still being able to be used at your next upgrade some years from now, so the cost of upgrading would be way lower then buying a new console when the time comes. thank you you have been knowledgeable and respectful on the way you have answered the question I will stick with a PS4 just because it is cheaper. I will also admit I cannot assemble a PC. That's what I thought as well but at the beginning of the year I decided to build my 1st pc and it was a piece of cake. It cost a little less than $600 and plays all the games I care to play at high to max. Of course 5+ years down it won't be playing newer games at high settings but today's mediums & highs are tomorrow's lows & mediums so it works out well enough. Can't say I'm all that surprised.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2824	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:53:00 - [39] - Quote uruz7 fish wrote: The savings are pretty much made up in the steam sales :P That is when PC gaming can get cheaper... hardware wise, over several console generations you can end up flattening the cost curve and make up any increase in hardware costs with savings from Steam sales. You can also do some bitcoin mining on a gaming rig, its not efficient but you can make a couple hundred a month for 2-3 months and pay off that difference too
Hin Raven Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 53	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:02:00 - [40] - Quote Whats the point of a top end pc when most games are made to fit console and gamepad? I had arkham aslyum on pc and ps3 i found the gamepad better for that game. Mmos are better on pc and kbm but there hasnt been a pc exclusive game ive wanted in 4 years.

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2825	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:04:00 - [41] - Quote Hin Raven wrote: Whats the point of a top end pc when most games are made to fit console and gamepad? I had arkham aslyum on pc and ps3 i found the gamepad better for that game. Mmos are better on pc and kbm but there hasnt been a pc exclusive game ive wanted in 4 years. PCs can use gamepads too... I have a wired xbox controller on my PC and it works flawless. I never have to charge it either... unlike my DS3s that are constantly dying midgame after 5 years of owning them.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2285	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:06:00 - [42] - Quote Hin Raven wrote: Whats the point of a top end pc when most games are made to fit console and gamepad? I had arkham aslyum on pc and ps3 i found the gamepad better for that game. Mmos are better on pc and kbm but there hasnt been a pc exclusive game ive wanted in 4 years. Rather than name specific games, I'll list entire genres that aren't well represented in consoles: Mmo Strategy Simulation Indie (not a genre really, but still important) Also modding.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 92	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:10:00 - [43] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Hin Raven wrote: Whats the point of a top end pc when most games are made to fit console and gamepad? I had arkham aslyum on pc and ps3 i found the gamepad better for that game. Mmos are better on pc and kbm but there hasnt been a pc exclusive game ive wanted in 4 years. Rather than name specific games, I'll list entire genres that aren't well represented in consoles: Mmo Strategy Simulation Indie (not a genre really, but still important) Also modding. For those into it, Crusader Kings II is a blast on the grand strategy games field. Regarding simulation, what I have been playing like an adict is War Thunder. Its an awesome, not complicated WW2 game thats quite enjoyable. MMo's, after EVE, them all seem shallow. Indies, yeah, theres quite a bit of good games, that might not excel in graphics but do in originality and alternate gameplay thats not main stream.
Hin Raven Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 53	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:12:00 - [44] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Hin Raven wrote: Whats the point of a top end pc when most games are made to fit console and gamepad? I had arkham aslyum on pc and ps3 i found the gamepad better for that game. Mmos are better on pc and kbm but there hasnt been a pc exclusive game ive wanted in 4 years. Rather than name specific games, I'll list entire genres that aren't well represented in consoles: Mmo Strategy Simulation Indie (not a genre really, but still important) Also modding. Do you need a top end pc to run them? Not trolling pc but are any of those games going to blow you away graphically like the original half life or deus ex?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1866	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:13:00 - [45] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. certainly not. if you go out to some random best buy and buy a 400 dollar computer it will last you about 18 months. (concerning eve online, which is about the extent of my pc gaming knowledge in the last 15 years.) eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2286	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:15:00 - [46] - Quote Hin Raven wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Hin Raven wrote: Whats the point of a top end pc when most games are made to fit console and gamepad? I had arkham aslyum on pc and ps3 i found the gamepad better for that game. Mmos are better on pc and kbm but there hasnt been a pc exclusive game ive wanted in 4 years. Rather than name specific games, I'll list entire genres that aren't well represented in consoles: Mmo Strategy Simulation Indie (not a genre really, but still important) Also modding. Do you need a top end pc to run them? Not trolling pc but are any of those games going to blow you away graphically like the original half life or deus ex? Depends in the game. In those categories are thousands of games that aren't available to console users. Bear in mind that graphics aren't everything, but nothing excels in graphics like a PC.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 1971	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:20:00 - [47] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? are pc elitists so ignorant to think that they have the superior system when people have consoles that do far better than some gaming pc does. plus what would be the point In switching over when none of your friends are on PC? I am by no means a PC elitist, though, if they have "consoles that do far better than some gaming pc does" then they aren't actually comparing it to a gaming PC. Just because you can play games on it does not mean it is a gaming PC. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Hin Raven Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 53	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:22:00 - [48] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Hin Raven wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Hin Raven wrote: Whats the point of a top end pc when most games are made to fit console and gamepad? I had arkham aslyum on pc and ps3 i found the gamepad better for that game. Mmos are better on pc and kbm but there hasnt been a pc exclusive game ive wanted in 4 years. Rather than name specific games, I'll list entire genres that aren't well represented in consoles: Mmo Strategy Simulation Indie (not a genre really, but still important) Also modding. Do you need a top end pc to run them? Not trolling pc but are any of those games going to blow you away graphically like the original half life or deus ex? Depends in the game. In those categories are thousands of games that aren't available to console users. Bear in mind that graphics aren't everything, but nothing excels in graphics like a PC. Im trying to remember a traffic management sim i loved. It came out after traffic giant. It was scandinavian with really cool music. Does anyone know the games name?
Eko Sol Strange Playings 257	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:31:00 - [49] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. Here is the trick. Goto Delloutlet[dot]com, buy a decent PC for under 300 bucks, buy a sub 200 dollar video card and BOOM you have a decent gaming machine for 500 bucks. A lot of people don't realize that if you only upgrade the video card and maybe the memory you will have a solid gaming PC until hardware failure or until certain methods (i.e. when PCI-E replaced AGP) are un available. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 92	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:06:00 - [50] - Quote Might not be the most accurate comparizon, but its interesting: http://i.imgur.com/pyrEW0Q.jpg

bhold'the brngr ofLIKE Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:13:00 - [51] - Quote or you can play lower req PC games that have been going strong for 15+ years instead of chasing the latest AAA.. you have options unlike with console
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 636	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:26:00 - [52] - Quote quick answer ...sorry for bad English =)
Eko Sol Strange Playings 259	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:26:00 - [53] - Quote bhold'the brngr ofLIKE wrote: or you can play lower req PC games that have been going strong for 15+ years instead of chasing the latest AAA.. you have options unlike with console The difference between $281 a year and $422 a year is moot to me. An average of an extra $141 is not going to stop me. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 299	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:38:00 - [54] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. Not even close. $4,000+ laptop came out within a month of Ps3, without a doubt out-performed by the Ps3. I would wager probably less reliable too (without a doubt). That is almost 7 of the higher tiered PS3s on launched day. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:40:00 - [55] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. 1. A decent gaming PC does not cost that much. 2. A gaming PC will be more powerful and play games at higher settings longer. 3. Cheaper in the long run because you can replace parts as you go. So while a 400$ console might appear to be a better choice now, because its cheaper, you can spend more and get a PC thats 7x as powerful and have the ability to stay ahead of the curve. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2826	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:40:00 - [56] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. Not even close. $4,000+ laptop came out within a month of Ps3, without a doubt out-performed by the Ps3. I would wager probably less reliable too (without a doubt). That is almost 7 of the higher tiered PS3s on launched day. When the PS3 launched, it was more powerful than most gaming PCs at the time. When the PS4 launched, it was not.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 299	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:41:00 - [57] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Void Echo wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? are pc elitists so ignorant to think that they have the superior system when people have consoles that do far better than some gaming pc does. plus what would be the point In switching over when none of your friends are on PC? Wow I guess that console users are this ignorant, lol. I don't really have time to explain all the absolute ignorance displayed in both this post, and the OP because I'm at work and on my phone. I assume someone else will. translation: I have no argument to back up what I say. As a PCmasterRacists I will just bow out now while remaining smug for no good reason. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Eko Sol Strange Playings 259	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:47:00 - [58] - Quote Ok so let's clarify something. A) Developing on PS4 has been streamlined and many elite developers have said that it is far easier to develop on the PS4 than it has been in the past. It is closer to developing for PC or XBOX B) Gaming consoles isn't so much about logic as much as it is about culture. It is a culture. If consoles never came out again I can guarantee you a percentage of people would never EVER play games on the PC or maybe ever again. C) This whole PC is better than Console thing is moot. As far as a system is concerned they are different. A PC has multiple functionalities that the console does not so it SHOULD cost more. That being said, you have to use a hardware optimizer to get the most out of the PC through software. Consoles don't have to do this. This is why consoles can have comparable graphics to PC's with lower quality hardware. Consoles are dedicated for one thing so 99% of hardware resources are reserved for gaming as opposed to a PC which is a little over 50% unless you know what you are doing. At that point you can get it to about 70 % of hardware resources. This argument just doesn't make sense. They are, literally, two different things that basically do things differently with different purposes. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:49:00 - [59] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Void Echo wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? are pc elitists so ignorant to think that they have the superior system when people have consoles that do far better than some gaming pc does. plus what would be the point In switching over when none of your friends are on PC? Wow I guess that console users are this ignorant, lol. I don't really have time to explain all the absolute ignorance displayed in both this post, and the OP because I'm at work and on my phone. I assume someone else will. translation: I have no argument to back up what I say. As a PCmasterRacists I will just bow out now while remaining smug for no good reason. Just another jealous poor peasant troll. So poor it hurts #PCMasterRacist Tips for Console Users Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2294	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:50:00 - [60] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Void Echo wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? are pc elitists so ignorant to think that they have the superior system when people have consoles that do far better than some gaming pc does. plus what would be the point In switching over when none of your friends are on PC? Wow I guess that console users are this ignorant, lol. I don't really have time to explain all the absolute ignorance displayed in both this post, and the OP because I'm at work and on my phone. I assume someone else will. translation: I have no argument to back up what I say. As a PCmasterRacists I will just bow out now while remaining smug for no good reason. Lol, you caught me. Oh wait, a bunch of people have explained, and even though these forums suck on my phone, I have as well.

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:57:00 - [61] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 93	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:00:00 - [62] - Quote Man, PC and console use their resources prety close. The consoles also have background taks running, OS running, crap social stuff running. You can expect 1/3 of the ram on Ps4 to be used for that stuff. You cant have equal graphics with 'lower' quality hardware. Lower cost, maybe. Granted, consoles being focused mostly on gaming and on a closed format, they have the oportunity to release a package well balaced and optimized - thats reflected on the lower initial cost of the hardware (though upgrading a console is expensive, as you need am entire new console). But on the other hand Pc's arent that not-optmized either, you may have way too much Ram, way too much processor, or way too much GPU that your CPU cant handle. But overall, if you buy the pieces using some low level logic, you pretty much wont have any meaningful bottleneck. That will occur only if you have some part unbalanced or too old.
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:02:00 - [63] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:03:00 - [64] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: A gaming PC is more expensive... period. We can just stop this argument now. Going from no PS4s to one PS4 is cheaper than going from no PCs to one gaming PC. However, CPU tech has been evolving fairly slowly for the last few years since the second generation core i processors were released in 2010-2011. Graphics cards do continually evolve at a fairly rapid pace still, the most notable being a huge surge in VRAM over the last two generations. Now... keep in mind that PS4 you have is never going to get better. It runs at a level of graphical fidelity that you, personally, find acceptable and as long as you find that acceptable it will continue to give you that performance. You buy it, plug it in, and forget it. You know what... that is great. There are a lot of people who are too busy, too tired, too 'whatever' to want to deal with anything more than that, and you guys have every right to feel that way. There is a second group of people who love building, improving, and tinkering.. etc. Gaming is a hobby, whether on a PC or a console... any amount of money you spend on a hobby is only a waste if you perceive it is (but then... why would you pursue the hobby in the first place if you felt it was waste?). I built my first gaming PC in 2011 for ~$1200 (I had a student copy of windows for free) and have since spent ~$400 more adding in little things here and there. Not because I have to, but because I WANT to, I enjoy the tinkering and the improving. With the customizable platforms comes the ability to play games that, simply put, outperform any generation of console. I'm not superior to you because I have a gaming PC, we just choose to experience our hobby, gaming, in different ways. Consoles are more cost efficient - hands down that is undeniable. PCs are more powerful - also undeniable. Don't be afraid to assemble a PC though... its not hard at all anymore. If you can plug your PS3 into a power socket you can build a PC. While this is factual, you are getting more for your money with PC typically. So while it is more expensive, you're getting more, so I'm not convinced regarding the efficiency argument. Also, you can get lots of PC games on much better discounts than console games. Obviously there's also the whole "all the stuff other than games argument as well". IMHO, it's true that you'll spend more money, but you'll get more than that monetary difference back in increased utility. Also, I do have both PCs and consoles, so I've seen both sides if this. Look a bunch of lies. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. It has been shown time and again that you can actually get releases as-cheap as steam if you were to just buy second hand, you can also recoup money from games you are finished with through the secondary market (something you cannot do with PC) Why do people keep bringing this up? Say you purchased Dark Souls 2 brand new for each platform ($60 either place) and you have played it until you never want to touch it again now. On PC you are still now and forever out $60, on the console you can trade it in right now for $33+. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2295	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:03:00 - [65] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Forza 5 would like to have a chat.
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:07:00 - [66] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Forza 5 would like to have a chat. Sorry I cant hear you over how awesome 1920x1200 is but Forza is just 1 game, that has maybe 10-15 moving assets, half of which are rarely on the screen at the same time. I get 60 FPS 1920x1200 while playing Rome 2 modded ot have unit sizes of actual Roman cohorts, 480 men a piece. Now, extrapolate. 10 cohorts = 4800 men, plus auxiliaries another 2700 for just one legion. Now add in enemies of comparable size and ally legions. Yea. Im getting battles upwards of 10-15 thousand. Tell me, can your potato do that? Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 96	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:09:00 - [67] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2828	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:10:00 - [68] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source?
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:14:00 - [69] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Forza 5 would like to have a chat. Sorry I cant hear you over how awesome 1920x1200 is but Forza is just 1 game, that has maybe 10-15 moving assets, half of which are rarely on the screen at the same time. I get 60 FPS 1920x1200 while playing Rome 2 modded ot have unit sizes of actual Roman cohorts, 480 men a piece. Now, extrapolate. 10 cohorts = 4800 men, plus auxiliaries another 2700 for just one legion. Now add in enemies of comparable size and ally legions. Yea. Im getting battles upwards of 10-15 thousand. Tell me, can your potato do that? I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:16:00 - [70] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:17:00 - [71] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience. This was a thread about value in case you had forgotten. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2301	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:17:00 - [72] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Forza 5 would like to have a chat. Sorry I cant hear you over how awesome 1920x1200 is but Forza is just 1 game, that has maybe 10-15 moving assets, half of which are rarely on the screen at the same time. I get 60 FPS 1920x1200 while playing Rome 2 modded ot have unit sizes of actual Roman cohorts, 480 men a piece. Now, extrapolate. 10 cohorts = 4800 men, plus auxiliaries another 2700 for just one legion. Now add in enemies of comparable size and ally legions. Yea. Im getting battles upwards of 10-15 thousand. Tell me, can your potato do that? Look, I'm in the pro PC camp here, but that's based on facts. Your comment was false.
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 34	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:23:00 - [73] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: oh wow i toughr all pc gamers lived in their moms basement and played WOW but u guess you guys proved me right thats why you fags wont get destiny for youe ****** system Oi! I live in the attic thank you very much. Also: "The PlayStation 4's GPU can perform 1.843 teraflops, making it the world's most powerful games console." From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps4 "AMD Radeon R9 295X2 review 11.5 teraflops of rendering power - Digital Foundry stress-tests the world's fastest graphics card. " From here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-radeon-r9-295x2-review And here's a pretty good piece on console vs. PC: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-the-next-gen-digital-foundry-pc
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 98	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:30:00 - [74] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience. This was a thread about value in case you had forgotten. Yes, and I was exemplifying how long PC's can last, and how upgrading works to its advantage. I am not claiming my GPU was cheaper than an PS3 or a PS4 at todays value its $250), but hell, Its way more powerful that that old PS3 and still plays actual games on near maximum with post-processing on, so pretty much equivalent in the pratical sense to a PS4.... with a 4 years old video card. So, in a sense, I am in "next-gen" since 2011.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 136	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:34:00 - [75] - Quote You only have to upgrade the graphics card unless you bought a powerful one to begin with. Why do people think a PC needs to be completely upgraded all the time? THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 73	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:49:00 - [76] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 568	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:52:00 - [77] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. We want cake and tea.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:57:00 - [78] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience. This was a thread about value in case you had forgotten. Yes, and I was exemplifying how long PC's can last, and how upgrading works to its advantage. I am not claiming my GPU was cheaper than an PS3 or a PS4 at todays value its $250), but hell, Its way more powerful that that old PS3 and still plays actual games on near maximum with post-processing on, so pretty much equivalent in the pratical sense to a PS4.... with a 4 years old video card. So, in a sense, I am in "next-gen" since 2011. No and no. The 9800 GT ended up getting about the same performance in-game as the PS3 did, so right there by itself, from the years 2008-2011 you spent $300 on the PS3 equivelent, but without all the exclusives and with the mush higher power requirement. from 2011 til today, you got basically the "Wii U." Yes definitely more powerful than current gen, but in the end that rig would be no match for next gen in-game. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:58:00 - [79] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2830	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:01:00 - [80] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4.

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:03:00 - [81] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Console is the cost of 1 graphics card upgrade, an upgrade every 3 years if this thread is to be believed. (I know, some do it more, and some do it less). That isn't to mention the CPU (every 5 or so), the HDD/SSD (3-4 years), powersupply (5 years maybe 7 if you like to gamble), motherboard (new CPU = new motherboard), Ram (new motherboard and CPU almost always means new ram too), and maybe new case if you just feel like a change. On top of this it cost 2-3 times more power to run. No, it is not more value. It is more expensive, only neckbeards like you could possibly think that it is in any way shape or form cheaper. Are you seriously going to debate exclusives? Really?... no really? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:05:00 - [82] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4. That isn't how it works dumb-dumb, let me restate: LINK ME TO A COMPUTER THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THE PS4 WITHIN $200. (don't forget the blurray and legal operating system) I will then find the power consumption of the device and show you how stupid you are. EDIT: We will do it this way so that #1 you actually have to put in some type of effort. #2. You can't say that I am cherry picking #3. Because it was what I stated to begin with. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2305	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:06:00 - [83] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Console is the cost of 1 graphics card upgrade, an upgrade every 3 years if this thread is to be believed. (I know, some do it more, and some do it less). That isn't to mention the CPU (every 5 or so), the HDD/SSD (3-4 years), powersupply (5 years maybe 7 if you like to gamble), motherboard (new CPU = new motherboard), Ram (new motherboard and CPU almost always means new ram too), and maybe new case if you just feel like a change. On top of this it cost 2-3 times more power to run. No, it is not more value. It is more expensive, only neckbeards like you could possibly think that it is in any way shape or form cheaper. Are you seriously going to debate exclusives? Really?... no really? Here's the thing with your flawed logic. You don't have to upgrade. Only if you want to. If you don't, you will continue to be able to run any game that you could before. You will still be able to run most new games, just at ever decreasing graphics levels. Any game actually designed specifically for a console will work too of course, because they suffer from the same exact issue - obsolescence. Now, if you want to upgrade, you can do so, and keep running the newest games at graphics levels that console users can only dream of. In addition, you can still run all the old game - all the way back to the 80's, and you have more to choose from in general, so yeah it is more value. There are so many PC exclusives that they probably outnumber all console games ever made - really.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2832	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:09:00 - [84] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4. That isn't how it works dumb-dumb, let me restate: LINK ME TO A COMPUTER THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THE PS4 WITHIN $200. (don't forget the blurray and legal operating system) I will then find the power consumption of the device and show you how stupid you are. EDIT: We will do it this way so that #1 you actually have to put in some type of effort. #2. You can't say that I am cherry picking #3. Because it was what I stated to begin with. Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2305	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:14:00 - [85] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4. That isn't how it works dumb-dumb, let me restate: LINK ME TO A COMPUTER THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THE PS4 WITHIN $200. (don't forget the blurray and legal operating system) I will then find the power consumption of the device and show you how stupid you are. EDIT: We will do it this way so that #1 you actually have to put in some type of effort. #2. You can't say that I am cherry picking #3. Because it was what I stated to begin with. Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof. Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:20:00 - [86] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Console is the cost of 1 graphics card upgrade, an upgrade every 3 years if this thread is to be believed. (I know, some do it more, and some do it less). That isn't to mention the CPU (every 5 or so), the HDD/SSD (3-4 years), powersupply (5 years maybe 7 if you like to gamble), motherboard (new CPU = new motherboard), Ram (new motherboard and CPU almost always means new ram too), and maybe new case if you just feel like a change. On top of this it cost 2-3 times more power to run. No, it is not more value. It is more expensive, only neckbeards like you could possibly think that it is in any way shape or form cheaper. Are you seriously going to debate exclusives? Really?... no really? Here's the thing with your flawed logic. You don't have to upgrade. Only if you want to. If you don't, you will continue to be able to run any game that you could before. You will still be able to run most new games, just at ever decreasing graphics levels. Any game actually designed specifically for a console will work too of course, because they suffer from the same exact issue - obsolescence. Now, if you want to upgrade, you can do so, and keep running the newest games at graphics levels that console users can only dream of. In addition, you can still run all the old game - all the way back to the 80's, and you have more to choose from in general, so yeah it is more value. If you do not upgrade, your computer will continue to look worse, not better (as is the case for the console) because you will be left behind in game development. So just off of the top of my head, in 2007 or 2008 Eve online stopped supporting graphics cards that didn't support shader model 3.0. At the time that meant graphics cards that were less than 2-3 years old were no longer supported. Sometimes expansions and DLC have slightly higher requirements. Point is the computer performance, suprise suprise, degrades relatively over time, the opposite of the console. Speaking of which aren't some games being released only in Direct x 10 or above now? Also, for a good long time a TON of DOS games were not playable without a jumping through a ton of hoops because of newer operating systems. Thank jebus for DOSBox and the people who know how to use it. You do understand though, that GoG releasing older games on DOSBOX is really no different than how you can buy tons of PSOne games on PSN aswell right? Or how about all of those older nintendo games you can play on the wii? Every single component in a computer has a life-span that is not dissimilar to a consoles (because internally they are VERY similar). This means you will be replacing the ENTIRETY of your computer's innards as ofte (if not more so) than a console owner would. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2833	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:20:00 - [87] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. Not necessarily... low level API access is a huge boon and why consoles can do so much with so little. I'm curious what Mantle and the new DirectX end up doing for PC gaming. If PCs hand direct-to-metal APIs they would end up roflstomping all over consoles. Combine that with multi-threading (something that moving extremely slow in the game development industry) and you would have 5 year old dual-core PCs with ~$100 graphics cards running at the same levels that the PS4 can achieve now.
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 36	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:22:00 - [88] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. You would be wrong. PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve). DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (snicker), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember. Your turn.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2305	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:23:00 - [89] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. Not necessarily... low level API access is a huge boon and why consoles can do so much with so little. I'm curious what Mantle and the new DirectX end up doing for PC gaming. If PCs hand direct-to-metal APIs they would end up roflstomping all over consoles. Combine that with multi-threading (something that moving extremely slow in the game development industry) and you would have 5 year old dual-core PCs with ~$100 graphics cards running at the same levels that the PS4 can achieve now. You're right that there is an efficiency bonus from more efficient OS implementations. That isn't going to come close to his 2-3 times argument. I think 20% would be considered huge. Even without Mantle et al, they are already roflstomping consoles. Now, if you're using a much more powerful PC, then yes it's going to use more power, but not an equivalent one - at least not by much.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2305	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:26:00 - [90] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Console is the cost of 1 graphics card upgrade, an upgrade every 3 years if this thread is to be believed. (I know, some do it more, and some do it less). That isn't to mention the CPU (every 5 or so), the HDD/SSD (3-4 years), powersupply (5 years maybe 7 if you like to gamble), motherboard (new CPU = new motherboard), Ram (new motherboard and CPU almost always means new ram too), and maybe new case if you just feel like a change. On top of this it cost 2-3 times more power to run. No, it is not more value. It is more expensive, only neckbeards like you could possibly think that it is in any way shape or form cheaper. Are you seriously going to debate exclusives? Really?... no really? Here's the thing with your flawed logic. You don't have to upgrade. Only if you want to. If you don't, you will continue to be able to run any game that you could before. You will still be able to run most new games, just at ever decreasing graphics levels. Any game actually designed specifically for a console will work too of course, because they suffer from the same exact issue - obsolescence. Now, if you want to upgrade, you can do so, and keep running the newest games at graphics levels that console users can only dream of. In addition, you can still run all the old game - all the way back to the 80's, and you have more to choose from in general, so yeah it is more value. If you do not upgrade, your computer will continue to look worse, not better (as is the case for the console) because you will be left behind in game development. So just off of the top of my head, in 2007 or 2008 Eve online stopped supporting graphics cards that didn't support shader model 3.0. At the time that meant graphics cards that were less than 2-3 years old were no longer supported. Sometimes expansions and DLC have slightly higher requirements. Point is the computer performance, suprise suprise, degrades relatively over time, the opposite of the console. Speaking of which aren't some games being released only in Direct x 10 or above now? Also, for a good long time a TON of DOS games were not playable without a jumping through a ton of hoops because of newer operating systems. Thank jebus for DOSBox and the people who know how to use it. You do understand though, that GoG releasing older games on DOSBOX is really no different than how you can buy tons of PSOne games on PSN aswell right? Or how about all of those older nintendo games you can play on the wii? Every single component in a computer has a life-span that is not dissimilar to a consoles (because internally they are VERY similar). This means you will be replacing the ENTIRETY of your computer's innards as ofte (if not more so) than a console owner would. Yet more flawed logic. Consoles and PCs are similar. Let's get that out of the way. Any game designed for a console is going to be targeted at the console's hardware. Thus, any PC with similar hardware will run the game just as well as the console. Thus, and PC with better hardware will run the game better than the console. The end.

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2833	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:26:00 - [91] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. You would be wrong. PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve). DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (snicker), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember. Your turn. If you want to talk about PC exclusives, don't forget to add every game created for the PC, going back into the 80s, that was never ported to consoles.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:32:00 - [92] - Quote Ok you two are flooding me with so much stupid it is going to take a second so bare with me here. ZDub 303 wrote: Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof. Jesus you are dumb. AVG PC will take well over 300 watts to run PS4 is under 200 watts when under load. I am saying SHOW ME A SYSTEM, ANY SYSTEM that is comparable with the PS4 (cost wise) and I will show you a system that takes between 2-3 times more ELECTRICITY than the PS4 you knuckle dragging mouth-breather. Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. You are just full of all kinds of stupid aren't you? Do I really have to explain just the most rudemntary stuff to you? Ok so which item, the DIY-PC or the PS4 was designed to be power efficient (I'll give you a hint, not the PC)? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:34:00 - [93] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. You would be wrong. PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve). DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (snicker), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember. Your turn. So what is your time frame here? I mean are we talking all time? last few years? be specific. Mario alone (yes just the mario series) has a larger footprint across gaming, the industry, and our culture as a whole than everything listed above put together 10 times over. (Hey we weren't being specific were we?) 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:37:00 - [94] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Yet more flawed logic. Consoles and PCs are similar. Let's get that out of the way. Any game designed for a console is going to be targeted at the console's hardware. Thus, any PC with similar hardware will run the game just as well as the console. Thus, and PC with better hardware will run the game better than the console. The end. LOL, you don't understand abstraction layers even a little bit do you? Why in the world am I arguing with 15 year olds about this?? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2306	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:38:00 - [95] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ok you two are flooding me with so much stupid it is going to take a second so bare with me here. ZDub 303 wrote: Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof. Jesus you are dumb. AVG PC will take well over 300 watts to run PS4 is under 200 watts when under load. I am saying SHOW ME A SYSTEM, ANY SYSTEM that is comparable with the PS4 (cost wise) and I will show you a system that takes between 2-3 times more ELECTRICITY than the PS4 you knuckle dragging mouth-breather. Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. You are just full of all kinds of stupid aren't you? Do I really have to explain just the most rudemntary stuff to you? Ok so which item, the DIY-PC or the PS4 was designed to be power efficient (I'll give you a hint, not the PC)? The PS4 is ARM based, which means it uses a low power cpu (like a phone or tablet incidentally). Also, it runs at a dismal 1.6 GHz. However, if you so choose, you can also build an ARM based PC as well if you'd prefer low power consumption. Now in doing so, you'd lose the compatibility associated with Windows OS, but you could go Linux. That's essentially what a steambox is. So, yes, you can make a DIY-PC that is as power efficient as the PS4, and run games on it as well as a PS4. This is precisely because the PS4 is a PC.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:43:00 - [96] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ok you two are flooding me with so much stupid it is going to take a second so bare with me here. ZDub 303 wrote: Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof. Jesus you are dumb. AVG PC will take well over 300 watts to run PS4 is under 200 watts when under load. I am saying SHOW ME A SYSTEM, ANY SYSTEM that is comparable with the PS4 (cost wise) and I will show you a system that takes between 2-3 times more ELECTRICITY than the PS4 you knuckle dragging mouth-breather. Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. You are just full of all kinds of stupid aren't you? Do I really have to explain just the most rudemntary stuff to you? Ok so which item, the DIY-PC or the PS4 was designed to be power efficient (I'll give you a hint, not the PC)? The PS4 is ARM based, which means it uses a low power cpu (like a phone or tablet incidentally). Also, it runs at a dismal 1.6 GHz. However, if you so choose, you can also build an ARM based PC as well if you'd prefer low power consumption. Now in doing so, you'd lose the compatibility associated with Windows OS, but you could go Linux. That's essentially what a steambox is. So, yes, you can make a DIY-PC that is as power efficient as the PS4, and run games on it as well as a PS4. This is precisely because the PS4 is a PC. LOL, nope, look how just wrong about everything you are. PS4 runs on an x86-64 processor dummy. That, last time I checked, isn't exactly the same as ARM architecture. EDIT: Oh I see you decided to change your post suddenly, let me quote show people just how wrong you are abotu all kinds of things. Plus there is no mention of ARM in that article... at all.... anywhere. Also, the last time that GHZ was the biggest deal in a processor was when your computer said pentium inside. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2306	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:44:00 - [97] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ok you two are flooding me with so much stupid it is going to take a second so bare with me here. ZDub 303 wrote: Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof. Jesus you are dumb. AVG PC will take well over 300 watts to run PS4 is under 200 watts when under load. I am saying SHOW ME A SYSTEM, ANY SYSTEM that is comparable with the PS4 (cost wise) and I will show you a system that takes between 2-3 times more ELECTRICITY than the PS4 you knuckle dragging mouth-breather. Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. You are just full of all kinds of stupid aren't you? Do I really have to explain just the most rudemntary stuff to you? Ok so which item, the DIY-PC or the PS4 was designed to be power efficient (I'll give you a hint, not the PC)? The PS4 is ARM based, which means it uses a low power cpu (like a phone or tablet incidentally). Also, it runs at a dismal 1.6 GHz. However, if you so choose, you can also build an ARM based PC as well if you'd prefer low power consumption. Now in doing so, you'd lose the compatibility associated with Windows OS, but you could go Linux. That's essentially what a steambox is. So, yes, you can make a DIY-PC that is as power efficient as the PS4, and run games on it as well as a PS4. This is precisely because the PS4 is a PC. LOL, nope, look how just wrong about everything you are. PS4 runs on an x86-64 processor dummy. That, last time I checked, isn't exactly the same as ARM architecture. Yes, you are right. It isn't ARM. It is a low power x86-64. I corrected my post, but too late I guess.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9592	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:44:00 - [98] - Quote A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse. Coding to the metal and all. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:47:00 - [99] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse. Coding to the metal and all. It is funny, PCMasterracists have been all over the place posting "PS4 equivalent" builds for ages now, but when I ask for one, all of the sudden they don't want to post them.... 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2307	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:50:00 - [100] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse. Coding to the metal and all. It is funny, PCMasterracists have been all over the place posting "PS4 equivalent" builds for ages now, but when I ask for one, all of the sudden they don't want to post them.... Well, what Cat Merc says is true, but the kind of efficiency gains is unlikely to be all that much. The OS on the PS4 has to support all of the same type stuff as a PC - all the same protocols and accessories basically, so coding to the metal will get you some efficiency, but it isn't like these guys are writing assembly.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9593	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:50:00 - [101] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse. Coding to the metal and all. It is funny, PCMasterracists have been all over the place posting "PS4 equivalent" builds for ages now, but when I ask for one, all of the sudden they don't want to post them.... Because PC's just cost more, it's very simple. Dollar to Dollar, PS4 is a better offer. PC however would probably be cheaper over time, thanks to the Holy Gaben the savior of PC gamers and his discounts. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9593	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:52:00 - [102] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse. Coding to the metal and all. It is funny, PCMasterracists have been all over the place posting "PS4 equivalent" builds for ages now, but when I ask for one, all of the sudden they don't want to post them.... Well, what Cat Merc says is true, but the kind of efficiency gains is unlikely to be all that much. The OS on the PS4 has to support all of the same type stuff as a PC - all the same protocols and accessories basically, so coding to the metal will get you some efficiency, but it isn't like these guys are writing assembly. Depends on how dedicated the developers are to squeezing the system. You should see what Ubisoft/DICE/etc' have done to squeeze the PS3/360, got really creative. PS2 actually required you to either code in binary or make up your own programming language, which makes me laugh. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 36	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:55:00 - [103] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse. Coding to the metal and all. It is funny, PCMasterracists have been all over the place posting "PS4 equivalent" builds for ages now, but when I ask for one, all of the sudden they don't want to post them.... Ermm. We've been posting them all over the place but we don't want to post them? Do you even listen to yourself? Also - constantly insulting everyone who disagrees with you is... somewhat immature. You might want to look up the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9593	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:58:00 - [104] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. I smell a bottleneck Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:01:00 - [105] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: LOL, nope, look how just wrong about everything you are. PS4 runs on an x86-64 processor dummy. That, last time I checked, isn't exactly the same as ARM architecture. Yes, you are right. It isn't ARM. It is a low power x86-64. I corrected my post, but too late I guess. I stand corrected on my ARM mistake. I did post the full specs though, so take a look. 1.6GHZ? Really?[/quote] Go look here That is the closest to the 8 core low-speed CPU I could find @ 2.3 GHZ. Honestly I can not find a similar CPU on the market because there aren't any. Games rarely need tons of computing power, so all of the console manufacturers focused on their custom GPUs rather than throwing power on their custom CPUs. Anyway, link will show you how GHZ isn't even close to the only measure of PC performance, seeing as the CPU that is only clocked @ 2.3 GHZ beat out a Intel Core i7-2600K @3.4 Ghz So please just stop, you are embarrassing... i mean to say that you are exactly representing PCMAsterracists, and it is embarrassing. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 36	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:04:00 - [106] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. You would be wrong. PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve). DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (snicker), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember. Your turn. So what is your time frame here? I mean are we talking all time? last few years? be specific. Mario alone (yes just the mario series) has a larger footprint across gaming, the industry, and our culture as a whole than everything listed above put together 10 times over. (Hey we weren't being specific were we?) I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there. Sure, Mario is an influential series, but how about Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake or Counter Strike? Or Battlefield, which was originally a PC exclusive? I guess none of those games had any influence, according to you, or..?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9594	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:05:00 - [107] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: I've heard also that the PS4 might get a shorter life expectancy than the PS3 got. When the PS3 was released, it was a beast. The PS4 isnt all that comparatively, equating to a mid-high experience, so probably its shelf life will be shorter. Sony will probably have a new console out in 4 or 5 years. Probably because hardware manufacturers started making absolutely absurd hardware that only rich people can afford to buy. So what is considered "high end" went up, but the prices went up too. There was no "GTX Titan" when the PS3 or the 360 released. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9596	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:12:00 - [108] - Quote As far as the CPU clock speed goes, it was actually an informed decision to keep it unerpowered. See, GPU's can do more and more stuff that's usually reserved for CPU's. And GPU's in terms of raw computing power tend to beat out CPU's for the same price by a large margin. So both Sony and Microsoft, to keep the costs down, put in an underpowered CPU with a good graphics card. Sony opted for a mid-high end card, while Microsoft went for a mid end card. Well, to be more percise, they opted for an APU, which allows for some super fast communication between the CPU and GPU. The low clock speed of the CPU won't hinder games as long as the developers make use of the tools Sony and Microsoft gave them. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9596	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:18:00 - [109] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. Not even close. $4,000+ laptop came out within a month of Ps3, without a doubt out-performed by the Ps3. I would wager probably less reliable too (without a doubt). That is almost 7 of the higher tiered PS3s on launched day. That laptop isn't actually more powerful than the PS3. At the time, super high end hardware simply didn't exist, there was no GTX Titan, GTX 780, R9 290X etc'. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 301	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:20:00 - [110] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. Not even close. $4,000+ laptop came out within a month of Ps3, without a doubt out-performed by the Ps3. I would wager probably less reliable too (without a doubt). That is almost 7 of the higher tiered PS3s on launched day. That laptop isn't actually more powerful than the PS3. At the time, super high end hardware simply didn't exist, there was no GTX Titan, GTX 780, R9 290X etc'. I think if you go back over the wuote, you will see that I am agree with you, the laptop, a $4,000 laptop, will not compete with the PS3. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9596	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:27:00 - [111] - Quote Come on, it's 2:26AM and I have insomnia. I wanted someone to argue with me for my amusement, and thought that a PC vs Consoles thread would be perfect for that. Booo Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 301	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:32:00 - [112] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there. Sure, Mario is an influential series, but how about Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake or Counter Strike? Or Battlefield, which was originally a PC exclusive? I guess none of those games had any influence, according to you, or..? Really? You can do better than FPSes, try System shock 2 at least, Sierra adventure games(Quest for glory, Kings Quest, Liesure Suit Larry, Gabriel Knight, Space Quest, etc..), Civilization, SimCity, Diablo, Warcarft (pre-world), Scorched Earth, FreeSpace, Wing commanders, GalCiv, Descent, X-series, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights.... you know, try to not be a stereotypical PC guy and list some non First Person Shooters. Now be honest, still pales in comparison to NES,SNES/Genesis, PSX/N64/Satu..well, DreamCast/PS2/XBox, current gen not to mention coleco, atari, packard, hell even the arcades (which were way closer to consoles than computer games) I am not saying they had no influence, just that the PC exclusive catalog is (while containing tons of games I love) just not anywhere near as impressive in just about any way you want to cut it. PC gaming just isn't as important to gaming as consoles gaming is, that is the cold hard truth. It is nowhere near as big (Steam doesn't release sales figures, but their profit was only 1 billion dollars), it is not as culturally relevant, and it is not as socially acceptable. Sorry guys..... continue to rage though. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 36	Posted - 2014.05.10 00:01:00 - [113] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Dr Dammit wrote: I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there. Sure, Mario is an influential series, but how about Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake or Counter Strike? Or Battlefield, which was originally a PC exclusive? I guess none of those games had any influence, according to you, or..? Really? You can do better than FPSes, try System shock 2 at least, Sierra adventure games(Quest for glory, Kings Quest, Liesure Suit Larry, Gabriel Knight, Space Quest, etc..), Civilization, SimCity, Diablo, Warcarft (pre-world), Scorched Earth, FreeSpace, Wing commanders, GalCiv, Descent, X-series, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights.... you know, try to not be a stereotypical PC guy and list some non First Person Shooters. Now be honest, still pales in comparison to NES,SNES/Genesis, PSX/N64/Satu..well, DreamCast/PS2/XBox, current gen not to mention coleco, atari, packard, hell even the arcades (which were way closer to consoles than computer games) I am not saying they had no influence, just that the PC exclusive catalog is (while containing tons of games I love) just not anywhere near as impressive in just about any way you want to cut it. PC gaming just isn't as important to gaming as consoles gaming is, that is the cold hard truth. It is nowhere near as big (Steam doesn't release sales figures, but their profit was only 1 billion dollars), it is not as culturally relevant, and it is not as socially acceptable. Sorry guys..... continue to rage though. Thanks for proving my point by listing even more awesome PC exclusives. Or don't they count? Do you have any other console exclusives apart from Mario? You also forgot Baldur's gate2, Icewind dale 1&2, planescape, Deus Ex, World of Tanks (Which alone has almost as many players on PC as there are PS3's, and yes, I know it's been ported to xbox). And I haven't even started on the Chinese and Russian markets. And if you don't know Steam's sales numbers, how do you know how much they make? Let's assume that number is correct, that would be profit, as in cash in pocket. That's one thousand million dollars. For comparison - EA had net income of $76 million in 2012. They're not even in the same league.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 7444	Posted - 2014.05.10 00:56:00 - [114] - Quote I'll never understand why PC gamers think that console gamers are somehow "beneath" them, all because they aren't using a PC, or don't care to...
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2537	Posted - 2014.05.10 00:59:00 - [115] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there. Pong was originally a tech demo on an oscilloscope that scientist had developed to show off and play with. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 302	Posted - 2014.05.10 04:02:00 - [116] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Dr Dammit wrote: I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there. Sure, Mario is an influential series, but how about Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake or Counter Strike? Or Battlefield, which was originally a PC exclusive? I guess none of those games had any influence, according to you, or..? Really? You can do better than FPSes, try System shock 2 at least, Sierra adventure games(Quest for glory, Kings Quest, Liesure Suit Larry, Gabriel Knight, Space Quest, etc..), Civilization, SimCity, Diablo, Warcarft (pre-world), Scorched Earth, FreeSpace, Wing commanders, GalCiv, Descent, X-series, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights.... you know, try to not be a stereotypical PC guy and list some non First Person Shooters. Now be honest, still pales in comparison to NES,SNES/Genesis, PSX/N64/Satu..well, DreamCast/PS2/XBox, current gen not to mention coleco, atari, packard, hell even the arcades (which were way closer to consoles than computer games) I am not saying they had no influence, just that the PC exclusive catalog is (while containing tons of games I love) just not anywhere near as impressive in just about any way you want to cut it. PC gaming just isn't as important to gaming as consoles gaming is, that is the cold hard truth. It is nowhere near as big (Steam doesn't release sales figures, but their profit was only 1 billion dollars), it is not as culturally relevant, and it is not as socially acceptable. Sorry guys..... continue to rage though. Thanks for proving my point by listing even more awesome PC exclusives. Or don't they count? Do you have any other console exclusives apart from Mario? You also forgot Baldur's gate2, Icewind dale 1&2, planescape, Deus Ex, World of Tanks (Which alone has almost as many players on PC as there are PS3's, and yes, I know it's been ported to xbox). And I haven't even started on the Chinese and Russian markets. And if you don't know Steam's sales numbers, how do you know how much they make? Let's assume that number is correct, that would be profit, as in cash in pocket. That's one thousand million dollars. For comparison - EA had net income of $76 million in 2012. They're not even in the same league. You really fail at the whole reading thing don't you? I could easily make lists that long (much monger) for EACH console. That is right, I could most likely name as many amazing games for each console as I could for the PC altogether. We could do it year by year, decade by decade... doesn't really matter to me. As a fan of gaming, to avoid consoles is to cut of your nose to spite your face. Valve data I have isn't 100% solid, but at least I can source it This was from 2010. WoT has 60 million registered users... and this means what exactly??? Oh you think that means that there are 60 million unique users for WoTs? Holy sh-t..... you are definitely a teenager, there is no other rational explanation. Ok, how about some Sourced information on 2013: Here are some inforgraphs for you: Gaming Broken down by segments Gaming markets altogether with prjection PC "gaming" aside from MMOs is in the PC gaming "boxed downloads... yep that is your huge PC gaming market.... 1/5th the size of the console market. The lions share of the MMO revenue comes from chinese MMOs. Unfortunately they did not differentiate MMOs from console/PC and you know, farmsville/sims/whatvere from wow/eve/SW:TOR/whatever. Here is a list of the top 25 companies by gaming revenue (microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo figures are WITHOUT hardware included) Notice Valve anywhere on that list? I notice some MMO producers and the rest are pretty solidly console backers. PC gaming, as in non-mmo gaming (mostly china), is not that large, certainly not large enough to mention in the same breath as consoles. So I keep excluding MMOs, why is that? Here is where you can find out that china is worth at least $6 billion per year for MMOs alone. Yes,China has 150 million online gamers, and they love MMOs. Wether they are on MMOs for a job (gold/isk farmers) or play, they make up the single largest portion of the market, a market that doesn't rely on performance at all. In the end though, IDK, it was fun looking up all of this stuff. Turns out china is in your mmos stealing your moneys. Oh and the real money, as a game developer, is/has been/will be on the consoles for the foreseeable future. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 117	Posted - 2014.05.10 04:27:00 - [117] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. You would be wrong. PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve). DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (snicker), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember. Your turn. So what is your time frame here? I mean are we talking all time? last few years? be specific. Mario alone (yes just the mario series) has a larger footprint across gaming, the industry, and our culture as a whole than everything listed above put together 10 times over. (Hey we weren't being specific were we?) The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 305	Posted - 2014.05.10 04:38:00 - [118] - Quote Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 117	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:05:00 - [119] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) Consoles are nice but a PC is essential, There are very few good strategy games on console, its pretty much a whole genre you are excluded from, no Civilization, no Planetary Annihilation, no Company of Heroes, NO EVE-ONLINE. I really like my ps3 but it could never be an alternative to a PC, only a supplement.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 306	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:13:00 - [120] - Quote Hairy Butter wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) Consoles are nice but a PC is essential, There are very few good strategy games on console, its pretty much a whole genre you are excluded from, no Civilization, no Planetary Annihilation, no Company of Heroes, NO EVE-ONLINE. I really like my ps3 but it could never be an alternative to a PC, only a supplement. See now you are talking sensibly. Of course, if you like RTS (which most MMOs are pretty much) then there is absolutely no substitute for a PC. If you like a space sims or point/click adventures the PC is of course the place you want to be too (My 2 favorite games are freespace 2 and privateer). If you want brown-note horror PC is where it is at. If you want platformer/fighter/action/adventure/jRPG/action-horror/brawler/arcady/racing genres then console is the space you should go for. If you are cheap and want to game on a budget, you either go older console (want the comfy couch option with 2-5 dollar used games everywhere) or use DOSBox and GoG. If you want mobile gaming you go either portable (vita is awesome) or ipad/iphone. Point being, PC gaming is not better than most... matter of fact it is one of the more niche types of gaming. It is just another way to get your fix. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 310	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:16:00 - [121] - Quote Hairy Butter wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) Consoles are nice but a PC is essential, There are very few good strategy games on console, its pretty much a whole genre you are excluded from, no Civilization, no Planetary Annihilation, no Company of Heroes, NO EVE-ONLINE. I really like my ps3 but it could never be an alternative to a PC, only a supplement. Also PC gaming revenue is projected to surpass console gaming in 2014 and it was pretty close in 2013. Nope B.S. article. I know the one you speak of. Here is a list of the top 25 game companies revenue wise You know what you see on there mostly? Console makers and bull-**** chinese/korean/japanese MMO makers. If you take MMOs out of the PC gaming revenue, it shrinks to 1/5th the size of console gaming. So unless you want gaming to mean "bullshit chinese/korean MMOs" then no, PC gaming is not catching up. Gaming Broken down by segments 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 117	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:33:00 - [122] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) Consoles are nice but a PC is essential, There are very few good strategy games on console, its pretty much a whole genre you are excluded from, no Civilization, no Planetary Annihilation, no Company of Heroes, NO EVE-ONLINE. I really like my ps3 but it could never be an alternative to a PC, only a supplement. Also PC gaming revenue is projected to surpass console gaming in 2014 and it was pretty close in 2013. Nope B.S. article. I know the one you speak of. Here is a list of the top 25 game companies revenue wise You know what you see on there mostly? Console makers and bull-** chinese/korean/japanese MMO makers. If you take MMOs out of the PC gaming revenue, it shrinks to 1/5th the size of console gaming. So unless you want gaming to mean "bullshit chinese/korean MMOs" then no, PC gaming is not catching up. Gaming Broken down by segments It would be kinda lame to exclude games that I would not play, no doubt the pc market is driven alot more by free to play and mmo games then console (for now), China/Korea still pirate alot so that also skews numbers, PC gaming revenue is going forward in a big way compared to just a few years ago. My main point was that the back-catelogue of cheap/free ** a PC uses has access to is amazing, not to mention all the indie gems and free to play games. I love my ps3 for pixeljunk with friends, guitar hero and amazing exclusives like the souls games, but for someone on a limited budget who likes to try/play alot of different games the pc cant be beat.. And yes I am probably getting a ps4 aswell at some point, just have not found a reason yet :p
Scheherazade VII SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 463	Posted - 2014.05.10 08:46:00 - [123] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. my ps3 has been going strong since 2009 now, i have some games which are over 30 years old as well. some things however i get bored of within a year! it doesn't matter what age something is, just enjoy the games from all eras, that's the only way to fully appreciate gaming, I have no respect for people who only want to jump from next big thing to next big thing. The PS3s life cycle should show you something, consoles will last, plus because they won't change much in the future they can't bring new ones out quickly or the market will be saturated and then the market will crash. it will probably happen eventually, but the day we have no more physical products is the day I give up on modern gaming!
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 36	Posted - 2014.05.10 09:51:00 - [124] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dr Dammit wrote: I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there. Pong was originally a tech demo on an oscilloscope that scientist had developed to show off and play with. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_for_Two I had one of these: http://pongmuseum.com/collection/hgs-telematch-tvsports.php#p Gawd, I feel old.
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 36	Posted - 2014.05.10 10:07:00 - [125] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) Consoles are nice but a PC is essential, There are very few good strategy games on console, its pretty much a whole genre you are excluded from, no Civilization, no Planetary Annihilation, no Company of Heroes, NO EVE-ONLINE. I really like my ps3 but it could never be an alternative to a PC, only a supplement. Also PC gaming revenue is projected to surpass console gaming in 2014 and it was pretty close in 2013. Nope B.S. article. I know the one you speak of. Here is a list of the top 25 game companies revenue wise You know what you see on there mostly? Console makers and bull-**** chinese/korean/japanese MMO makers. If you take MMOs out of the PC gaming revenue, it shrinks to 1/5th the size of console gaming. So unless you want gaming to mean "bullshit chinese/korean MMOs" then no, PC gaming is not catching up. Gaming Broken down by segments You mean bullshit Chinese MMO's like Dust? Nice logic there. "I don't like Chinese/Korean/Japanese MMO's so I'm going to pretend they don't exist." I could just as easily argue that consoles are full of bullshit American/European/Russian shooters and not count them. But I won't, because that would be stupid.
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 57	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:52:00 - [126] - Quote Well I bought the ps4 and right now I must say bf4 is way better on ps4. I also got outlast and I think I may have nightmares. And I am loving warframe
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 328	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:04:00 - [127] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) Consoles are nice but a PC is essential, There are very few good strategy games on console, its pretty much a whole genre you are excluded from, no Civilization, no Planetary Annihilation, no Company of Heroes, NO EVE-ONLINE. I really like my ps3 but it could never be an alternative to a PC, only a supplement. Also PC gaming revenue is projected to surpass console gaming in 2014 and it was pretty close in 2013. Nope B.S. article. I know the one you speak of. Here is a list of the top 25 game companies revenue wise You know what you see on there mostly? Console makers and bull-**** chinese/korean/japanese MMO makers. If you take MMOs out of the PC gaming revenue, it shrinks to 1/5th the size of console gaming. So unless you want gaming to mean "bullshit chinese/korean MMOs" then no, PC gaming is not catching up. Gaming Broken down by segments You mean bullshit Chinese MMO's like Dust? Nice logic there. "I don't like Chinese/Korean/Japanese MMO's so I'm going to pretend they don't exist." I could just as easily argue that consoles are full of bullshit American/European/Russian shooters and not count them. But I won't, because that would be stupid. Did you know that chinese online gaming is kept strickly within their own borders? Did you know that Chinese gaming companies do not compete with the rest of the world? Seriously, gaming in china is basically a FULLY SEPARATE market from the rest of the world. This is why their inclusion is laughable. You can't really take and include a completely isolated and exclusionary market (i.e. china) and use it for an example on how well PC gaming as a whole is doing. In markets where you can have both (i.e. the rest of the world) P.C. is really pretty far behind both Console gaming and mobile (phone&tablet)gaming. I mean what you are trying to justify is comparing the sales of two products that are not even close to equal or equally available, and it is the argument of someone who is unsure of their opinion. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution 388	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:17:00 - [128] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? we upgrade when we buy a new console now just answer the question can i spend $400 dollars on a gaming laptop and play the best games on the market right now and 7 years from now. also you keep trashing the ps3 yet the Last of us which was a ps3 exclusive was the Game of the Year followed by GTA V which was a console exclusive. $400 is the going price of a ps4 thats why i use hat as my benchmark pc game are way better and,gta V suck camel ass.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 102	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:42:00 - [129] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. I smell a bottleneck Yup, you smell right. It could perform better, will do after I upgrade some parts, but it performas fine now, so no hurry.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9610	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:57:00 - [130] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. I smell a bottleneck Yup, you smell right. It could perform better, will do after I upgrade some parts, but it performas fine now, so no hurry. Yeah, even if it was an Intel Core 2 Quad (one of the powerful ones) then that's somewhat ok, there would be a bottleneck but nothing to write home about. But that's a major bottleneck there XD Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 104	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:10:00 - [131] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. I smell a bottleneck Yup, you smell right. It could perform better, will do after I upgrade some parts, but it performas fine now, so no hurry. Yeah, even if it was an Intel Core 2 Quad (one of the powerful ones) then that's somewhat ok, there would be a bottleneck but nothing to write home about. But that's a major bottleneck there XD I dont really feel that holding me back as long as gaming goes. That CPU is a pretty good overclocker, so its runing at 3.6ghz (on stock air). Since most games are single threaded, its not really an issue. I feel it more when multitasking of trying to run applications on the background. What I miss the most is more ram (have 4gb) adn an SSD. I could easily get the ram, but would prefeer to buy the actual tech, not the old DDR2 ones, so I am holding off to get a CPU/Mobo/Ram kit at once. Will probably get an unlocked I5, but the I7 seems attractive as it would allow me more power to create and run virtual pcs inside my pc. It woudl be nice to learn more about servers and database aplications without messing with my main pc instalation.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9610	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:29:00 - [132] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. I smell a bottleneck Yup, you smell right. It could perform better, will do after I upgrade some parts, but it performas fine now, so no hurry. Yeah, even if it was an Intel Core 2 Quad (one of the powerful ones) then that's somewhat ok, there would be a bottleneck but nothing to write home about. But that's a major bottleneck there XD I dont really feel that holding me back as long as gaming goes. That CPU is a pretty good overclocker, so its runing at 3.6ghz (on stock air). Since most games are single threaded, its not really an issue. I feel it more when multitasking of trying to run applications on the background. What I miss the most is more ram (have 4gb) adn an SSD. I could easily get the ram, but would prefeer to buy the actual tech, not the old DDR2 ones, so I am holding off to get a CPU/Mobo/Ram kit at once. Will probably get an unlocked I5, but the I7 seems attractive as it would allow me more power to create and run virtual pcs inside my pc. It woudl be nice to learn more about servers and database aplications without messing with my main pc instalation. Eh, I wouldn't get an I7. Only if my work requires some beastly PC then I would go for an I7, but I don't see myself doing anything that would require more than an overclocked I5. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 46	Posted - 2014.05.11 04:59:00 - [133] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Did you know that chinese online gaming is kept strickly within their own borders? Did you know that Chinese gaming companies do not compete with the rest of the world? Seriously, gaming in china is basically a FULLY SEPARATE market from the rest of the world. This is why their inclusion is laughable. You can't really take and include a completely isolated and exclusionary market (i.e. china) and use it for an example on how well PC gaming as a whole is doing. In markets where you can have both (i.e. the rest of the world) P.C. is really pretty far behind both Console gaming and mobile (phone&tablet)gaming. I mean what you are trying to justify is comparing the sales of two products that are not even close to equal or equally available, and it is the argument of someone who is unsure of their opinion. Oh if you followed your logic, which is pretty dumb I must admit, then gaming in general has absolutely no room for even mid-level graphics cards, because almost all of the "MMOs" that make up china's market are browser based. Im sure the Chinese developers making Dust and Legion would disagree with you. How about the Chinese Eve server? I guess they don't count since we can't play on it, right? (Even though we can, but it's a bit tricky. Go read up on Chribba's adventures on the Chinese server.) Then there's Tencent, the fifth largest internet company in the world (after Google, Amazon, Ebay and Facebook). They own a majority stake of Riot games, who make League of Legends, and they own a good chunk of Epic, who make Unreal Engine (You know, the engine running Dust and Legion). Not sure if you're racist or just dumb.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 392	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:11:00 - [134] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Did you know that chinese online gaming is kept strickly within their own borders? Did you know that Chinese gaming companies do not compete with the rest of the world? Seriously, gaming in china is basically a FULLY SEPARATE market from the rest of the world. This is why their inclusion is laughable. You can't really take and include a completely isolated and exclusionary market (i.e. china) and use it for an example on how well PC gaming as a whole is doing. In markets where you can have both (i.e. the rest of the world) P.C. is really pretty far behind both Console gaming and mobile (phone&tablet)gaming. I mean what you are trying to justify is comparing the sales of two products that are not even close to equal or equally available, and it is the argument of someone who is unsure of their opinion. Oh if you followed your logic, which is pretty dumb I must admit, then gaming in general has absolutely no room for even mid-level graphics cards, because almost all of the "MMOs" that make up china's market are browser based. Im sure the Chinese developers making Dust and Legion would disagree with you. How about the Chinese Eve server? I guess they don't count since we can't play on it, right? (Even though we can, but it's a bit tricky. Go read up on Chribba's adventures on the Chinese server.) Then there's Tencent, the fifth largest internet company in the world (after Google, Amazon, Ebay and Facebook). They own a majority stake of Riot games, who make League of Legends, and they own a good chunk of Epic, who make Unreal Engine (You know, the engine running Dust and Legion). Not sure if you're racist or just dumb. So thats nice, when is it that you were going to address the bit you quoted? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!


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