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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:44:00 -
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A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse.
Coding to the metal and all.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:50:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse.
Coding to the metal and all. It is funny, PCMasterracists have been all over the place posting "PS4 equivalent" builds for ages now, but when I ask for one, all of the sudden they don't want to post them.... Because PC's just cost more, it's very simple. Dollar to Dollar, PS4 is a better offer.
PC however would probably be cheaper over time, thanks to the Holy Gaben the savior of PC gamers and his discounts.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:52:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse.
Coding to the metal and all. It is funny, PCMasterracists have been all over the place posting "PS4 equivalent" builds for ages now, but when I ask for one, all of the sudden they don't want to post them.... Well, what Cat Merc says is true, but the kind of efficiency gains is unlikely to be all that much. The OS on the PS4 has to support all of the same type stuff as a PC - all the same protocols and accessories basically, so coding to the metal will get you some efficiency, but it isn't like these guys are writing assembly. Depends on how dedicated the developers are to squeezing the system. You should see what Ubisoft/DICE/etc' have done to squeeze the PS3/360, got really creative.
PS2 actually required you to either code in binary or make up your own programming language, which makes me laugh.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:58:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:What you need to understand is this:
- console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc.
- PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers.
So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade.
And Chosing here is the key.
You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity.
Take my PC.
I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints.
Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage.
So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms.
But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints.
So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it.
I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment.
But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to.
I smell a bottleneck
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:05:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:I've heard also that the PS4 might get a shorter life expectancy than the PS3 got. When the PS3 was released, it was a beast. The PS4 isnt all that comparatively, equating to a mid-high experience, so probably its shelf life will be shorter.
Sony will probably have a new console out in 4 or 5 years. Probably because hardware manufacturers started making absolutely absurd hardware that only rich people can afford to buy. So what is considered "high end" went up, but the prices went up too.
There was no "GTX Titan" when the PS3 or the 360 released.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:12:00 -
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As far as the CPU clock speed goes, it was actually an informed decision to keep it unerpowered.
See, GPU's can do more and more stuff that's usually reserved for CPU's. And GPU's in terms of raw computing power tend to beat out CPU's for the same price by a large margin.
So both Sony and Microsoft, to keep the costs down, put in an underpowered CPU with a good graphics card. Sony opted for a mid-high end card, while Microsoft went for a mid end card.
Well, to be more percise, they opted for an APU, which allows for some super fast communication between the CPU and GPU.
The low clock speed of the CPU won't hinder games as long as the developers make use of the tools Sony and Microsoft gave them.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:18:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Ribbons Allmark wrote:If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. Not even close.$4,000+ laptop came out within a month of Ps3, without a doubt out-performed by the Ps3. I would wager probably less reliable too (without a doubt). That is almost 7 of the higher tiered PS3s on launched day. That laptop isn't actually more powerful than the PS3.
At the time, super high end hardware simply didn't exist, there was no GTX Titan, GTX 780, R9 290X etc'.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:27:00 -
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Come on, it's 2:26AM and I have insomnia.
I wanted someone to argue with me for my amusement, and thought that a PC vs Consoles thread would be perfect for that.
Booo
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.10 21:57:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Ender Storm wrote:What you need to understand is this:
- console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc.
- PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers.
So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade.
And Chosing here is the key.
You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity.
Take my PC.
I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints.
Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage.
So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms.
But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints.
So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it.
I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment.
But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to.
I smell a bottleneck Yup, you smell right. It could perform better, will do after I upgrade some parts, but it performas fine now, so no hurry. Yeah, even if it was an Intel Core 2 Quad (one of the powerful ones) then that's somewhat ok, there would be a bottleneck but nothing to write home about. But that's a major bottleneck there XD
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.10 22:29:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Ender Storm wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Ender Storm wrote:What you need to understand is this:
- console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc.
- PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers.
So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade.
And Chosing here is the key.
You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity.
Take my PC.
I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints.
Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage.
So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms.
But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints.
So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it.
I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment.
But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to.
I smell a bottleneck Yup, you smell right. It could perform better, will do after I upgrade some parts, but it performas fine now, so no hurry. Yeah, even if it was an Intel Core 2 Quad (one of the powerful ones) then that's somewhat ok, there would be a bottleneck but nothing to write home about. But that's a major bottleneck there XD I dont really feel that holding me back as long as gaming goes. That CPU is a pretty good overclocker, so its runing at 3.6ghz (on stock air). Since most games are single threaded, its not really an issue. I feel it more when multitasking of trying to run applications on the background. What I miss the most is more ram (have 4gb) adn an SSD. I could easily get the ram, but would prefeer to buy the actual tech, not the old DDR2 ones, so I am holding off to get a CPU/Mobo/Ram kit at once. Will probably get an unlocked I5, but the I7 seems attractive as it would allow me more power to create and run virtual pcs inside my pc. It woudl be nice to learn more about servers and database aplications without messing with my main pc instalation. Eh, I wouldn't get an I7. Only if my work requires some beastly PC then I would go for an I7, but I don't see myself doing anything that would require more than an overclocked I5.
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