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Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 299	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:38:00 - [1] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. Not even close. $4,000+ laptop came out within a month of Ps3, without a doubt out-performed by the Ps3. I would wager probably less reliable too (without a doubt). That is almost 7 of the higher tiered PS3s on launched day. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 299	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:41:00 - [2] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Void Echo wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? are pc elitists so ignorant to think that they have the superior system when people have consoles that do far better than some gaming pc does. plus what would be the point In switching over when none of your friends are on PC? Wow I guess that console users are this ignorant, lol. I don't really have time to explain all the absolute ignorance displayed in both this post, and the OP because I'm at work and on my phone. I assume someone else will. translation: I have no argument to back up what I say. As a PCmasterRacists I will just bow out now while remaining smug for no good reason. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:57:00 - [3] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:03:00 - [4] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: A gaming PC is more expensive... period. We can just stop this argument now. Going from no PS4s to one PS4 is cheaper than going from no PCs to one gaming PC. However, CPU tech has been evolving fairly slowly for the last few years since the second generation core i processors were released in 2010-2011. Graphics cards do continually evolve at a fairly rapid pace still, the most notable being a huge surge in VRAM over the last two generations. Now... keep in mind that PS4 you have is never going to get better. It runs at a level of graphical fidelity that you, personally, find acceptable and as long as you find that acceptable it will continue to give you that performance. You buy it, plug it in, and forget it. You know what... that is great. There are a lot of people who are too busy, too tired, too 'whatever' to want to deal with anything more than that, and you guys have every right to feel that way. There is a second group of people who love building, improving, and tinkering.. etc. Gaming is a hobby, whether on a PC or a console... any amount of money you spend on a hobby is only a waste if you perceive it is (but then... why would you pursue the hobby in the first place if you felt it was waste?). I built my first gaming PC in 2011 for ~$1200 (I had a student copy of windows for free) and have since spent ~$400 more adding in little things here and there. Not because I have to, but because I WANT to, I enjoy the tinkering and the improving. With the customizable platforms comes the ability to play games that, simply put, outperform any generation of console. I'm not superior to you because I have a gaming PC, we just choose to experience our hobby, gaming, in different ways. Consoles are more cost efficient - hands down that is undeniable. PCs are more powerful - also undeniable. Don't be afraid to assemble a PC though... its not hard at all anymore. If you can plug your PS3 into a power socket you can build a PC. While this is factual, you are getting more for your money with PC typically. So while it is more expensive, you're getting more, so I'm not convinced regarding the efficiency argument. Also, you can get lots of PC games on much better discounts than console games. Obviously there's also the whole "all the stuff other than games argument as well". IMHO, it's true that you'll spend more money, but you'll get more than that monetary difference back in increased utility. Also, I do have both PCs and consoles, so I've seen both sides if this. Look a bunch of lies. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. It has been shown time and again that you can actually get releases as-cheap as steam if you were to just buy second hand, you can also recoup money from games you are finished with through the secondary market (something you cannot do with PC) Why do people keep bringing this up? Say you purchased Dark Souls 2 brand new for each platform ($60 either place) and you have played it until you never want to touch it again now. On PC you are still now and forever out $60, on the console you can trade it in right now for $33+. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:14:00 - [5] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Forza 5 would like to have a chat. Sorry I cant hear you over how awesome 1920x1200 is but Forza is just 1 game, that has maybe 10-15 moving assets, half of which are rarely on the screen at the same time. I get 60 FPS 1920x1200 while playing Rome 2 modded ot have unit sizes of actual Roman cohorts, 480 men a piece. Now, extrapolate. 10 cohorts = 4800 men, plus auxiliaries another 2700 for just one legion. Now add in enemies of comparable size and ally legions. Yea. Im getting battles upwards of 10-15 thousand. Tell me, can your potato do that? I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:16:00 - [6] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:17:00 - [7] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience. This was a thread about value in case you had forgotten. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:57:00 - [8] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience. This was a thread about value in case you had forgotten. Yes, and I was exemplifying how long PC's can last, and how upgrading works to its advantage. I am not claiming my GPU was cheaper than an PS3 or a PS4 at todays value its $250), but hell, Its way more powerful that that old PS3 and still plays actual games on near maximum with post-processing on, so pretty much equivalent in the pratical sense to a PS4.... with a 4 years old video card. So, in a sense, I am in "next-gen" since 2011. No and no. The 9800 GT ended up getting about the same performance in-game as the PS3 did, so right there by itself, from the years 2008-2011 you spent $300 on the PS3 equivelent, but without all the exclusives and with the mush higher power requirement. from 2011 til today, you got basically the "Wii U." Yes definitely more powerful than current gen, but in the end that rig would be no match for next gen in-game. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:58:00 - [9] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:03:00 - [10] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Console is the cost of 1 graphics card upgrade, an upgrade every 3 years if this thread is to be believed. (I know, some do it more, and some do it less). That isn't to mention the CPU (every 5 or so), the HDD/SSD (3-4 years), powersupply (5 years maybe 7 if you like to gamble), motherboard (new CPU = new motherboard), Ram (new motherboard and CPU almost always means new ram too), and maybe new case if you just feel like a change. On top of this it cost 2-3 times more power to run. No, it is not more value. It is more expensive, only neckbeards like you could possibly think that it is in any way shape or form cheaper. Are you seriously going to debate exclusives? Really?... no really? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:05:00 - [11] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4. That isn't how it works dumb-dumb, let me restate: LINK ME TO A COMPUTER THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THE PS4 WITHIN $200. (don't forget the blurray and legal operating system) I will then find the power consumption of the device and show you how stupid you are. EDIT: We will do it this way so that #1 you actually have to put in some type of effort. #2. You can't say that I am cherry picking #3. Because it was what I stated to begin with. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:20:00 - [12] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Console is the cost of 1 graphics card upgrade, an upgrade every 3 years if this thread is to be believed. (I know, some do it more, and some do it less). That isn't to mention the CPU (every 5 or so), the HDD/SSD (3-4 years), powersupply (5 years maybe 7 if you like to gamble), motherboard (new CPU = new motherboard), Ram (new motherboard and CPU almost always means new ram too), and maybe new case if you just feel like a change. On top of this it cost 2-3 times more power to run. No, it is not more value. It is more expensive, only neckbeards like you could possibly think that it is in any way shape or form cheaper. Are you seriously going to debate exclusives? Really?... no really? Here's the thing with your flawed logic. You don't have to upgrade. Only if you want to. If you don't, you will continue to be able to run any game that you could before. You will still be able to run most new games, just at ever decreasing graphics levels. Any game actually designed specifically for a console will work too of course, because they suffer from the same exact issue - obsolescence. Now, if you want to upgrade, you can do so, and keep running the newest games at graphics levels that console users can only dream of. In addition, you can still run all the old game - all the way back to the 80's, and you have more to choose from in general, so yeah it is more value. If you do not upgrade, your computer will continue to look worse, not better (as is the case for the console) because you will be left behind in game development. So just off of the top of my head, in 2007 or 2008 Eve online stopped supporting graphics cards that didn't support shader model 3.0. At the time that meant graphics cards that were less than 2-3 years old were no longer supported. Sometimes expansions and DLC have slightly higher requirements. Point is the computer performance, suprise suprise, degrades relatively over time, the opposite of the console. Speaking of which aren't some games being released only in Direct x 10 or above now? Also, for a good long time a TON of DOS games were not playable without a jumping through a ton of hoops because of newer operating systems. Thank jebus for DOSBox and the people who know how to use it. You do understand though, that GoG releasing older games on DOSBOX is really no different than how you can buy tons of PSOne games on PSN aswell right? Or how about all of those older nintendo games you can play on the wii? Every single component in a computer has a life-span that is not dissimilar to a consoles (because internally they are VERY similar). This means you will be replacing the ENTIRETY of your computer's innards as ofte (if not more so) than a console owner would. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:32:00 - [13] - Quote Ok you two are flooding me with so much stupid it is going to take a second so bare with me here. ZDub 303 wrote: Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof. Jesus you are dumb. AVG PC will take well over 300 watts to run PS4 is under 200 watts when under load. I am saying SHOW ME A SYSTEM, ANY SYSTEM that is comparable with the PS4 (cost wise) and I will show you a system that takes between 2-3 times more ELECTRICITY than the PS4 you knuckle dragging mouth-breather. Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. You are just full of all kinds of stupid aren't you? Do I really have to explain just the most rudemntary stuff to you? Ok so which item, the DIY-PC or the PS4 was designed to be power efficient (I'll give you a hint, not the PC)? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:34:00 - [14] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. You would be wrong. PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve). DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (snicker), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember. Your turn. So what is your time frame here? I mean are we talking all time? last few years? be specific. Mario alone (yes just the mario series) has a larger footprint across gaming, the industry, and our culture as a whole than everything listed above put together 10 times over. (Hey we weren't being specific were we?) 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:37:00 - [15] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Yet more flawed logic. Consoles and PCs are similar. Let's get that out of the way. Any game designed for a console is going to be targeted at the console's hardware. Thus, any PC with similar hardware will run the game just as well as the console. Thus, and PC with better hardware will run the game better than the console. The end. LOL, you don't understand abstraction layers even a little bit do you? Why in the world am I arguing with 15 year olds about this?? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:43:00 - [16] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ok you two are flooding me with so much stupid it is going to take a second so bare with me here. ZDub 303 wrote: Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof. Jesus you are dumb. AVG PC will take well over 300 watts to run PS4 is under 200 watts when under load. I am saying SHOW ME A SYSTEM, ANY SYSTEM that is comparable with the PS4 (cost wise) and I will show you a system that takes between 2-3 times more ELECTRICITY than the PS4 you knuckle dragging mouth-breather. Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. You are just full of all kinds of stupid aren't you? Do I really have to explain just the most rudemntary stuff to you? Ok so which item, the DIY-PC or the PS4 was designed to be power efficient (I'll give you a hint, not the PC)? The PS4 is ARM based, which means it uses a low power cpu (like a phone or tablet incidentally). Also, it runs at a dismal 1.6 GHz. However, if you so choose, you can also build an ARM based PC as well if you'd prefer low power consumption. Now in doing so, you'd lose the compatibility associated with Windows OS, but you could go Linux. That's essentially what a steambox is. So, yes, you can make a DIY-PC that is as power efficient as the PS4, and run games on it as well as a PS4. This is precisely because the PS4 is a PC. LOL, nope, look how just wrong about everything you are. PS4 runs on an x86-64 processor dummy. That, last time I checked, isn't exactly the same as ARM architecture. EDIT: Oh I see you decided to change your post suddenly, let me quote show people just how wrong you are abotu all kinds of things. Plus there is no mention of ARM in that article... at all.... anywhere. Also, the last time that GHZ was the biggest deal in a processor was when your computer said pentium inside. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:47:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse. Coding to the metal and all. It is funny, PCMasterracists have been all over the place posting "PS4 equivalent" builds for ages now, but when I ask for one, all of the sudden they don't want to post them.... 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:01:00 - [18] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: LOL, nope, look how just wrong about everything you are. PS4 runs on an x86-64 processor dummy. That, last time I checked, isn't exactly the same as ARM architecture. Yes, you are right. It isn't ARM. It is a low power x86-64. I corrected my post, but too late I guess. I stand corrected on my ARM mistake. I did post the full specs though, so take a look. 1.6GHZ? Really?[/quote] Go look here That is the closest to the 8 core low-speed CPU I could find @ 2.3 GHZ. Honestly I can not find a similar CPU on the market because there aren't any. Games rarely need tons of computing power, so all of the console manufacturers focused on their custom GPUs rather than throwing power on their custom CPUs. Anyway, link will show you how GHZ isn't even close to the only measure of PC performance, seeing as the CPU that is only clocked @ 2.3 GHZ beat out a Intel Core i7-2600K @3.4 Ghz So please just stop, you are embarrassing... i mean to say that you are exactly representing PCMAsterracists, and it is embarrassing. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 301	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:20:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. Not even close. $4,000+ laptop came out within a month of Ps3, without a doubt out-performed by the Ps3. I would wager probably less reliable too (without a doubt). That is almost 7 of the higher tiered PS3s on launched day. That laptop isn't actually more powerful than the PS3. At the time, super high end hardware simply didn't exist, there was no GTX Titan, GTX 780, R9 290X etc'. I think if you go back over the wuote, you will see that I am agree with you, the laptop, a $4,000 laptop, will not compete with the PS3. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 301	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:32:00 - [20] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there. Sure, Mario is an influential series, but how about Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake or Counter Strike? Or Battlefield, which was originally a PC exclusive? I guess none of those games had any influence, according to you, or..? Really? You can do better than FPSes, try System shock 2 at least, Sierra adventure games(Quest for glory, Kings Quest, Liesure Suit Larry, Gabriel Knight, Space Quest, etc..), Civilization, SimCity, Diablo, Warcarft (pre-world), Scorched Earth, FreeSpace, Wing commanders, GalCiv, Descent, X-series, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights.... you know, try to not be a stereotypical PC guy and list some non First Person Shooters. Now be honest, still pales in comparison to NES,SNES/Genesis, PSX/N64/Satu..well, DreamCast/PS2/XBox, current gen not to mention coleco, atari, packard, hell even the arcades (which were way closer to consoles than computer games) I am not saying they had no influence, just that the PC exclusive catalog is (while containing tons of games I love) just not anywhere near as impressive in just about any way you want to cut it. PC gaming just isn't as important to gaming as consoles gaming is, that is the cold hard truth. It is nowhere near as big (Steam doesn't release sales figures, but their profit was only 1 billion dollars), it is not as culturally relevant, and it is not as socially acceptable. Sorry guys..... continue to rage though. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 302	Posted - 2014.05.10 04:02:00 - [21] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Dr Dammit wrote: I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there. Sure, Mario is an influential series, but how about Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake or Counter Strike? Or Battlefield, which was originally a PC exclusive? I guess none of those games had any influence, according to you, or..? Really? You can do better than FPSes, try System shock 2 at least, Sierra adventure games(Quest for glory, Kings Quest, Liesure Suit Larry, Gabriel Knight, Space Quest, etc..), Civilization, SimCity, Diablo, Warcarft (pre-world), Scorched Earth, FreeSpace, Wing commanders, GalCiv, Descent, X-series, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights.... you know, try to not be a stereotypical PC guy and list some non First Person Shooters. Now be honest, still pales in comparison to NES,SNES/Genesis, PSX/N64/Satu..well, DreamCast/PS2/XBox, current gen not to mention coleco, atari, packard, hell even the arcades (which were way closer to consoles than computer games) I am not saying they had no influence, just that the PC exclusive catalog is (while containing tons of games I love) just not anywhere near as impressive in just about any way you want to cut it. PC gaming just isn't as important to gaming as consoles gaming is, that is the cold hard truth. It is nowhere near as big (Steam doesn't release sales figures, but their profit was only 1 billion dollars), it is not as culturally relevant, and it is not as socially acceptable. Sorry guys..... continue to rage though. Thanks for proving my point by listing even more awesome PC exclusives. Or don't they count? Do you have any other console exclusives apart from Mario? You also forgot Baldur's gate2, Icewind dale 1&2, planescape, Deus Ex, World of Tanks (Which alone has almost as many players on PC as there are PS3's, and yes, I know it's been ported to xbox). And I haven't even started on the Chinese and Russian markets. And if you don't know Steam's sales numbers, how do you know how much they make? Let's assume that number is correct, that would be profit, as in cash in pocket. That's one thousand million dollars. For comparison - EA had net income of $76 million in 2012. They're not even in the same league. You really fail at the whole reading thing don't you? I could easily make lists that long (much monger) for EACH console. That is right, I could most likely name as many amazing games for each console as I could for the PC altogether. We could do it year by year, decade by decade... doesn't really matter to me. As a fan of gaming, to avoid consoles is to cut of your nose to spite your face. Valve data I have isn't 100% solid, but at least I can source it This was from 2010. WoT has 60 million registered users... and this means what exactly??? Oh you think that means that there are 60 million unique users for WoTs? Holy sh-t..... you are definitely a teenager, there is no other rational explanation. Ok, how about some Sourced information on 2013: Here are some inforgraphs for you: Gaming Broken down by segments Gaming markets altogether with prjection PC "gaming" aside from MMOs is in the PC gaming "boxed downloads... yep that is your huge PC gaming market.... 1/5th the size of the console market. The lions share of the MMO revenue comes from chinese MMOs. Unfortunately they did not differentiate MMOs from console/PC and you know, farmsville/sims/whatvere from wow/eve/SW:TOR/whatever. Here is a list of the top 25 companies by gaming revenue (microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo figures are WITHOUT hardware included) Notice Valve anywhere on that list? I notice some MMO producers and the rest are pretty solidly console backers. PC gaming, as in non-mmo gaming (mostly china), is not that large, certainly not large enough to mention in the same breath as consoles. So I keep excluding MMOs, why is that? Here is where you can find out that china is worth at least $6 billion per year for MMOs alone. Yes,China has 150 million online gamers, and they love MMOs. Wether they are on MMOs for a job (gold/isk farmers) or play, they make up the single largest portion of the market, a market that doesn't rely on performance at all. In the end though, IDK, it was fun looking up all of this stuff. Turns out china is in your mmos stealing your moneys. Oh and the real money, as a game developer, is/has been/will be on the consoles for the foreseeable future. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 305	Posted - 2014.05.10 04:38:00 - [22] - Quote Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 306	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:13:00 - [23] - Quote Hairy Butter wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) Consoles are nice but a PC is essential, There are very few good strategy games on console, its pretty much a whole genre you are excluded from, no Civilization, no Planetary Annihilation, no Company of Heroes, NO EVE-ONLINE. I really like my ps3 but it could never be an alternative to a PC, only a supplement. See now you are talking sensibly. Of course, if you like RTS (which most MMOs are pretty much) then there is absolutely no substitute for a PC. If you like a space sims or point/click adventures the PC is of course the place you want to be too (My 2 favorite games are freespace 2 and privateer). If you want brown-note horror PC is where it is at. If you want platformer/fighter/action/adventure/jRPG/action-horror/brawler/arcady/racing genres then console is the space you should go for. If you are cheap and want to game on a budget, you either go older console (want the comfy couch option with 2-5 dollar used games everywhere) or use DOSBox and GoG. If you want mobile gaming you go either portable (vita is awesome) or ipad/iphone. Point being, PC gaming is not better than most... matter of fact it is one of the more niche types of gaming. It is just another way to get your fix. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 310	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:16:00 - [24] - Quote Hairy Butter wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) Consoles are nice but a PC is essential, There are very few good strategy games on console, its pretty much a whole genre you are excluded from, no Civilization, no Planetary Annihilation, no Company of Heroes, NO EVE-ONLINE. I really like my ps3 but it could never be an alternative to a PC, only a supplement. Also PC gaming revenue is projected to surpass console gaming in 2014 and it was pretty close in 2013. Nope B.S. article. I know the one you speak of. Here is a list of the top 25 game companies revenue wise You know what you see on there mostly? Console makers and bull-**** chinese/korean/japanese MMO makers. If you take MMOs out of the PC gaming revenue, it shrinks to 1/5th the size of console gaming. So unless you want gaming to mean "bullshit chinese/korean MMOs" then no, PC gaming is not catching up. Gaming Broken down by segments 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 328	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:04:00 - [25] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3). People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales. There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console. Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) Consoles are nice but a PC is essential, There are very few good strategy games on console, its pretty much a whole genre you are excluded from, no Civilization, no Planetary Annihilation, no Company of Heroes, NO EVE-ONLINE. I really like my ps3 but it could never be an alternative to a PC, only a supplement. Also PC gaming revenue is projected to surpass console gaming in 2014 and it was pretty close in 2013. Nope B.S. article. I know the one you speak of. Here is a list of the top 25 game companies revenue wise You know what you see on there mostly? Console makers and bull-**** chinese/korean/japanese MMO makers. If you take MMOs out of the PC gaming revenue, it shrinks to 1/5th the size of console gaming. So unless you want gaming to mean "bullshit chinese/korean MMOs" then no, PC gaming is not catching up. Gaming Broken down by segments You mean bullshit Chinese MMO's like Dust? Nice logic there. "I don't like Chinese/Korean/Japanese MMO's so I'm going to pretend they don't exist." I could just as easily argue that consoles are full of bullshit American/European/Russian shooters and not count them. But I won't, because that would be stupid. Did you know that chinese online gaming is kept strickly within their own borders? Did you know that Chinese gaming companies do not compete with the rest of the world? Seriously, gaming in china is basically a FULLY SEPARATE market from the rest of the world. This is why their inclusion is laughable. You can't really take and include a completely isolated and exclusionary market (i.e. china) and use it for an example on how well PC gaming as a whole is doing. In markets where you can have both (i.e. the rest of the world) P.C. is really pretty far behind both Console gaming and mobile (phone&tablet)gaming. I mean what you are trying to justify is comparing the sales of two products that are not even close to equal or equally available, and it is the argument of someone who is unsure of their opinion. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 392	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:11:00 - [26] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Did you know that chinese online gaming is kept strickly within their own borders? Did you know that Chinese gaming companies do not compete with the rest of the world? Seriously, gaming in china is basically a FULLY SEPARATE market from the rest of the world. This is why their inclusion is laughable. You can't really take and include a completely isolated and exclusionary market (i.e. china) and use it for an example on how well PC gaming as a whole is doing. In markets where you can have both (i.e. the rest of the world) P.C. is really pretty far behind both Console gaming and mobile (phone&tablet)gaming. I mean what you are trying to justify is comparing the sales of two products that are not even close to equal or equally available, and it is the argument of someone who is unsure of their opinion. Oh if you followed your logic, which is pretty dumb I must admit, then gaming in general has absolutely no room for even mid-level graphics cards, because almost all of the "MMOs" that make up china's market are browser based. Im sure the Chinese developers making Dust and Legion would disagree with you. How about the Chinese Eve server? I guess they don't count since we can't play on it, right? (Even though we can, but it's a bit tricky. Go read up on Chribba's adventures on the Chinese server.) Then there's Tencent, the fifth largest internet company in the world (after Google, Amazon, Ebay and Facebook). They own a majority stake of Riot games, who make League of Legends, and they own a good chunk of Epic, who make Unreal Engine (You know, the engine running Dust and Legion). Not sure if you're racist or just dumb. So thats nice, when is it that you were going to address the bit you quoted? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

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