DUST Search - Quick question for the PC gamers

Dr Dammit wrote:

Mary Lilac wrote:

Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:

Mary Lilac wrote:

I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing.

See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes.

sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists.

If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games.

ORLY?

I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one.

You would be wrong.

PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve).
DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (*snicker*), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember.

Your turn.


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ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2815	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:10:00 - [1] - Quote A gaming PC is more expensive... period. We can just stop this argument now. Going from no PS4s to one PS4 is cheaper than going from no PCs to one gaming PC. However, CPU tech has been evolving fairly slowly for the last few years since the second generation core i processors were released in 2010-2011. Graphics cards do continually evolve at a fairly rapid pace still, the most notable being a huge surge in VRAM over the last two generations. Now... keep in mind that PS4 you have is never going to get better. It runs at a level of graphical fidelity that you, personally, find acceptable and as long as you find that acceptable it will continue to give you that performance. You buy it, plug it in, and forget it. You know what... that is great. There are a lot of people who are too busy, too tired, too 'whatever' to want to deal with anything more than that, and you guys have every right to feel that way. There is a second group of people who love building, improving, and tinkering.. etc. Gaming is a hobby, whether on a PC or a console... any amount of money you spend on a hobby is only a waste if you perceive it is (but then... why would you pursue the hobby in the first place if you felt it was waste?). I built my first gaming PC in 2011 for ~$1200 (I had a student copy of windows for free) and have since spent ~$400 more adding in little things here and there. Not because I have to, but because I WANT to, I enjoy the tinkering and the improving. With the customizable platforms comes the ability to play games that, simply put, outperform any generation of console. I'm not superior to you because I have a gaming PC, we just choose to experience our hobby, gaming, in different ways. Consoles are more cost efficient - hands down that is undeniable. PCs are more powerful - also undeniable. Don't be afraid to assemble a PC though... its not hard at all anymore. If you can plug your PS3 into a power socket you can build a PC.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2821	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:44:00 - [2] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: While this is factual, you are getting more for your money with PC typically. So while it is more expensive, you're getting more, so I'm not convinced regarding the efficiency argument. Also, you can get lots of PC games on much better discounts than console games. Obviously there's also the whole "all the stuff other than games argument as well". IMHO, it's true that you'll spend more money, but you'll get more than that monetary difference back in increased utility. Also, I do have both PCs and consoles, so I've seen both sides if this. imo at least, cost efficiency is more long term with PCs. You get amazing steam deals which help of course, but where I feel PC gaming really takes off is in upgrading. My PC requires only a new video card every 4 years or so to pretty much remain to of the line. At 300-350 for a VERY nice video card I can maintain a level of play far above consoles for a similar expensive (400-500 every 5-6 years). But the upfront cost of building the PC from having nothing is steep... its a barrier to entry that isn't worth it for many people. I don't blame them... I do blame them for demanding that companies don't make PC games because they don't feel like buying a PC though.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2824	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:53:00 - [3] - Quote uruz7 fish wrote: The savings are pretty much made up in the steam sales :P That is when PC gaming can get cheaper... hardware wise, over several console generations you can end up flattening the cost curve and make up any increase in hardware costs with savings from Steam sales. You can also do some bitcoin mining on a gaming rig, its not efficient but you can make a couple hundred a month for 2-3 months and pay off that difference too
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2825	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:04:00 - [4] - Quote Hin Raven wrote: Whats the point of a top end pc when most games are made to fit console and gamepad? I had arkham aslyum on pc and ps3 i found the gamepad better for that game. Mmos are better on pc and kbm but there hasnt been a pc exclusive game ive wanted in 4 years. PCs can use gamepads too... I have a wired xbox controller on my PC and it works flawless. I never have to charge it either... unlike my DS3s that are constantly dying midgame after 5 years of owning them.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2826	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:40:00 - [5] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. Not even close. $4,000+ laptop came out within a month of Ps3, without a doubt out-performed by the Ps3. I would wager probably less reliable too (without a doubt). That is almost 7 of the higher tiered PS3s on launched day. When the PS3 launched, it was more powerful than most gaming PCs at the time. When the PS4 launched, it was not.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2828	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:10:00 - [6] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source?
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2830	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:01:00 - [7] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2832	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:09:00 - [8] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4. That isn't how it works dumb-dumb, let me restate: LINK ME TO A COMPUTER THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THE PS4 WITHIN $200. (don't forget the blurray and legal operating system) I will then find the power consumption of the device and show you how stupid you are. EDIT: We will do it this way so that #1 you actually have to put in some type of effort. #2. You can't say that I am cherry picking #3. Because it was what I stated to begin with. Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2833	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:20:00 - [9] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. Not necessarily... low level API access is a huge boon and why consoles can do so much with so little. I'm curious what Mantle and the new DirectX end up doing for PC gaming. If PCs hand direct-to-metal APIs they would end up roflstomping all over consoles. Combine that with multi-threading (something that moving extremely slow in the game development industry) and you would have 5 year old dual-core PCs with ~$100 graphics cards running at the same levels that the PS4 can achieve now.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2833	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:26:00 - [10] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. You would be wrong. PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve). DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (snicker), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember. Your turn. If you want to talk about PC exclusives, don't forget to add every game created for the PC, going back into the 80s, that was never ported to consoles.