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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:23:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:oh wow i toughr all pc gamers lived in their moms basement and played WOW but u guess you guys proved me right thats why you fags wont get destiny for youe ****** system
Oi! I live in the attic thank you very much.
Also: "The PlayStation 4's GPU can perform 1.843 teraflops, making it the world's most powerful games console."
From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps4
"AMD Radeon R9 295X2 review
11.5 teraflops of rendering power - Digital Foundry stress-tests the world's fastest graphics card. "
From here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-radeon-r9-295x2-review
And here's a pretty good piece on console vs. PC:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-the-next-gen-digital-foundry-pc |
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Mary Lilac wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:
I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing.
See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes.
sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists.
If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one.
You would be wrong.
PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve).
DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (*snicker*), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember.
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Mary Lilac wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A PC in the same ballpark as the PS4 in terms of price will actually perform worse.
Coding to the metal and all. It is funny, PCMasterracists have been all over the place posting "PS4 equivalent" builds for ages now, but when I ask for one, all of the sudden they don't want to post them....
Ermm. We've been posting them all over the place but we don't want to post them? Do you even listen to yourself?
Also - constantly insulting everyone who disagrees with you is... somewhat immature.
You might want to look up the Dunning-Kruger effect. |
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:04:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Dr Dammit wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:
I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing.
See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes.
sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists.
If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. You would be wrong. PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve). DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (*snicker*), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember. Your turn. So what is your time frame here? I mean are we talking all time? last few years? be specific. Mario alone (yes just the mario series) has a larger footprint across gaming, the industry, and our culture as a whole than everything listed above put together 10 times over. (Hey we weren't being specific were we?)
I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there.
Sure, Mario is an influential series, but how about Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake or Counter Strike? Or Battlefield, which was originally a PC exclusive? I guess none of those games had any influence, according to you, or..? |
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Mary Lilac wrote:Dr Dammit wrote:I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there. Sure, Mario is an influential series, but how about Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake or Counter Strike? Or Battlefield, which was originally a PC exclusive? I guess none of those games had any influence, according to you, or..? Really? You can do better than FPSes, try System shock 2 at least, Sierra adventure games(Quest for glory, Kings Quest, Liesure Suit Larry, Gabriel Knight, Space Quest, etc..), Civilization, SimCity, Diablo, Warcarft (pre-world), Scorched Earth, FreeSpace, Wing commanders, GalCiv, Descent, X-series, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights.... you know, try to not be a stereotypical PC guy and list some non First Person Shooters. Now be honest, still pales in comparison to NES,SNES/Genesis, PSX/N64/Satu..well, DreamCast/PS2/XBox, current gen not to mention coleco, atari, packard, hell even the arcades (which were way closer to consoles than computer games) I am not saying they had no influence, just that the PC exclusive catalog is (while containing tons of games I love) just not anywhere near as impressive in just about any way you want to cut it. PC gaming just isn't as important to gaming as consoles gaming is, that is the cold hard truth. It is nowhere near as big (Steam doesn't release sales figures, but their profit was only 1 billion dollars), it is not as culturally relevant, and it is not as socially acceptable. Sorry guys..... continue to rage though.
Thanks for proving my point by listing even more awesome PC exclusives. Or don't they count? Do you have any other console exclusives apart from Mario? You also forgot Baldur's gate2, Icewind dale 1&2, planescape, Deus Ex, World of Tanks (Which alone has almost as many players on PC as there are PS3's, and yes, I know it's been ported to xbox).
And I haven't even started on the Chinese and Russian markets.
And if you don't know Steam's sales numbers, how do you know how much they make? Let's assume that number is correct, that would be profit, as in cash in pocket. That's one thousand million dollars. For comparison - EA had net income of $76 million in 2012. They're not even in the same league. |
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The Robot Devil wrote:Dr Dammit wrote:I got my first console in 1981 (ping pong with the twiddly knobs), so lets start from there. Pong was originally a tech demo on an oscilloscope that scientist had developed to show off and play with. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_for_Two
I had one of these: http://pongmuseum.com/collection/hgs-telematch-tvsports.php#p
Gawd, I feel old. |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 10:07:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Hairy Butter wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:Hairy Butter wrote:
The vast majority of games ever made are PC exclusives, alot of the timeless classics available on steam dirt cheap, all the best indies come on PC, Pretty much all the best free to play are pc only, two decades worth of abandonware for free, emulators for every older console/system (MAME <3).
People who buy alot of games will quickly save ALOT of money thru Steam sales.
There is no comparison on potential value for money comparing PC to Console.
Hi Mr. Brainwashed, what if I told you I never pay above $20 for console games and have every major console release since before sept 2013? Which of course would be much sooner than I get those types of deals on a PC. What if I also told you that consoles library >>>>>>>>>> PC...Here I will just mention developers with 15+ games a peice that are insanely awesome, most likely million+ sellers, and console exclusive. nintendo games by themselves just completely obliterate the PC exclusive library, square, konami, capcom, EA, ubisoft, Rockstar, Enix, Koei, Sony, bungie, Rare, Sega, TakeTwo Interactive,... I am sure I left out about 50% of the development houses here. There has never been a year when console's game lineup didn't just crush the PC's lineup, and the fact that Console games market is approx 5 times larger than the non-mmo PC market kind of proves my point. Oh and if you use ROMs you are pretty much a thief.. have fun with that. (people wonder why developers shy away from the PC crowd lol) You are right, there is no comparison, just in electricity saving alone I can afford PSPlus (i.e. 24-36 good FREE games per year.. every year) Consoles are nice but a PC is essential, There are very few good strategy games on console, its pretty much a whole genre you are excluded from, no Civilization, no Planetary Annihilation, no Company of Heroes, NO EVE-ONLINE. I really like my ps3 but it could never be an alternative to a PC, only a supplement. Also PC gaming revenue is projected to surpass console gaming in 2014 and it was pretty close in 2013. Nope B.S. article. I know the one you speak of. Here is a list of the top 25 game companies revenue wiseYou know what you see on there mostly? Console makers and bull-**** chinese/korean/japanese MMO makers. If you take MMOs out of the PC gaming revenue, it shrinks to 1/5th the size of console gaming. So unless you want gaming to mean "bullshit chinese/korean MMOs" then no, PC gaming is not catching up. Gaming Broken down by segments
You mean bullshit Chinese MMO's like Dust?
Nice logic there. "I don't like Chinese/Korean/Japanese MMO's so I'm going to pretend they don't exist."
I could just as easily argue that consoles are full of bullshit American/European/Russian shooters and not count them.
But I won't, because that would be stupid. |
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Posted - 2014.05.11 04:59:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:
Did you know that chinese online gaming is kept strickly within their own borders?
Did you know that Chinese gaming companies do not compete with the rest of the world?
Seriously, gaming in china is basically a FULLY SEPARATE market from the rest of the world. This is why their inclusion is laughable. You can't really take and include a completely isolated and exclusionary market (i.e. china) and use it for an example on how well PC gaming as a whole is doing.
In markets where you can have both (i.e. the rest of the world) P.C. is really pretty far behind both Console gaming and mobile (phone&tablet)gaming.
I mean what you are trying to justify is comparing the sales of two products that are not even close to equal or equally available, and it is the argument of someone who is unsure of their opinion.
Oh if you followed your logic, which is pretty dumb I must admit, then gaming in general has absolutely no room for even mid-level graphics cards, because almost all of the "MMOs" that make up china's market are browser based.
Im sure the Chinese developers making Dust and Legion would disagree with you. How about the Chinese Eve server? I guess they don't count since we can't play on it, right? (Even though we can, but it's a bit tricky. Go read up on Chribba's adventures on the Chinese server.)
Then there's Tencent, the fifth largest internet company in the world (after Google, Amazon, Ebay and Facebook).
They own a majority stake of Riot games, who make League of Legends, and they own a good chunk of Epic, who make Unreal Engine (You know, the engine running Dust and Legion).
Not sure if you're racist or just dumb. |
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