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Ender Storm
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:50:00 -
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What you need to understand is this:
- console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc.
- PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers.
So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade.
And Chosing here is the key.
You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity.
Take my PC.
I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints.
Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage.
So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms.
But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints.
So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it.
I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment.
But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to.
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Ender Storm
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:55:00 -
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Ribbons Allmark wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ribbons Allmark wrote:If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? we upgrade when we buy a new console now just answer the question can i spend $400 dollars on a gaming laptop and play the best games on the market right now and 7 years from now. also you keep trashing the ps3 yet the Last of us which was a ps3 exclusive was the Game of the Year followed by GTA V which was a console exclusive. $400 is the going price of a ps4 thats why i use hat as my benchmark
For the love of God, DONT buy a gamming laptop.
Just... dont.
They are overpriced stuff that will nto perform as well as a desktop with similar especifications.
The last time i read articles, it was said that the GPU gtx750Ti was a good alternative for a new PC capable of matching a PS4 performance. Its about $149 at new egg.
Assemble a system around it. It will probably come closer to $600, but a PC can do a lot more than gamming, so theres that. |
Ender Storm
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:09:00 -
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Ribbons Allmark wrote:Ender Storm wrote:Ribbons Allmark wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ribbons Allmark wrote:If I go out and buy a gaming console for $400 will it still be a viable option for gaming 7 years from now? I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console sorry its the truth playstation 3 came out in November of 2006. what gaming laptop will last seven years let me know? it must be noted that ps3 will probably be supported for an additional 2 years bringing its total viable gaming life cycle to 9 years. If by viable, you mean ****** like the Ps3, then yes. It's not like the PC is going to lose functionality. Is going to run everything that it used too. If you mean cutting edge, then no, you'll have to upgrade it some-something you can't do on a console. Are console gamers really this ignorant? we upgrade when we buy a new console now just answer the question can i spend $400 dollars on a gaming laptop and play the best games on the market right now and 7 years from now. also you keep trashing the ps3 yet the Last of us which was a ps3 exclusive was the Game of the Year followed by GTA V which was a console exclusive. $400 is the going price of a ps4 thats why i use hat as my benchmark For the love of God, DONT buy a gamming laptop. Just... dont. They are overpriced stuff that will nto perform as well as a desktop with similar especifications. The last time i read articles, it was said that the GPU gtx750Ti was a good alternative for a new PC capable of matching a PS4 performance. Its about $149 at new egg. Assemble a system around it. It will probably come closer to $600, but a PC can do a lot more than gamming, so theres that. Also, most parts will be still being able to be used at your next upgrade some years from now, so the cost of upgrading would be way lower then buying a new console when the time comes. thank you you have been knowledgeable and respectful on the way you have answered the question I will stick with a PS4 just because it is cheaper. I will also admit I cannot assemble a PC.
If you feel like I would sugest going for this sub-reddit, they can help with builds better than I could.
http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc
When I build a PC I dont really go after low costs, I go for what I can get with the money I am willing to spend.
So while I probably would assemble for myself a costly machine, I know I dont need to.
But as I use my machine also for home office, and as a media server for my home, and to Multibox EVE, or even run EVE while playing a shooter (fro fleets in EVE can take forever), I need it to have some extra-juice. |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:11:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Ribbons Allmark wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Ribbons Allmark wrote:I say this because a decent gaming PC cost $1000 and does not last half the lifetime of a console. Where did you get those numbers? Firstly, $1,000 is a pretty large sum. By shopping smart and understanding what's really necessary for gaming performance, you can construct your own gaming PC that is superior to any next-gen console for significantly less than $1,000. Secondly, why would it not last as long? My roomate just blew half his tax return on a gaming PC and thats what he spent. You certainly can spend that much and more, but it depends on what you want to achieve.
Yeah thats true.
Its like cars, you can spend less or more, but both will take you to your destination. One with more luxury than the other. |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:21:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:A gaming PC is more expensive... period. We can just stop this argument now. Going from no PS4s to one PS4 is cheaper than going from no PCs to one gaming PC.
However, CPU tech has been evolving fairly slowly for the last few years since the second generation core i processors were released in 2010-2011. Graphics cards do continually evolve at a fairly rapid pace still, the most notable being a huge surge in VRAM over the last two generations.
Now... keep in mind that PS4 you have is never going to get better. It runs at a level of graphical fidelity that you, personally, find acceptable and as long as you find that acceptable it will continue to give you that performance. You buy it, plug it in, and forget it. You know what... that is great. There are a lot of people who are too busy, too tired, too 'whatever' to want to deal with anything more than that, and you guys have every right to feel that way.
There is a second group of people who love building, improving, and tinkering.. etc. Gaming is a hobby, whether on a PC or a console... any amount of money you spend on a hobby is only a waste if you perceive it is (but then... why would you pursue the hobby in the first place if you felt it was waste?). I built my first gaming PC in 2011 for ~$1200 (I had a student copy of windows for free) and have since spent ~$400 more adding in little things here and there. Not because I have to, but because I WANT to, I enjoy the tinkering and the improving. With the customizable platforms comes the ability to play games that, simply put, outperform any generation of console.
I'm not superior to you because I have a gaming PC, we just choose to experience our hobby, gaming, in different ways.
Consoles are more cost efficient - hands down that is undeniable. PCs are more powerful - also undeniable.
Don't be afraid to assemble a PC though... its not hard at all anymore. If you can plug your PS3 into a power socket you can build a PC.
Very well put.
I myself have my PC, and usually buy the console after a few years, when its cheaper, already on the second iteration (like the PS3 slim) and with a good library of games.
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:33:00 -
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I've heard also that the PS4 might get a shorter life expectancy than the PS3 got. When the PS3 was released, it was a beast. The PS4 isnt all that comparatively, equating to a mid-high experience, so probably its shelf life will be shorter.
Sony will probably have a new console out in 4 or 5 years. |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:10:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Hin Raven wrote:Whats the point of a top end pc when most games are made to fit console and gamepad? I had arkham aslyum on pc and ps3 i found the gamepad better for that game. Mmos are better on pc and kbm but there hasnt been a pc exclusive game ive wanted in 4 years. Rather than name specific games, I'll list entire genres that aren't well represented in consoles: Mmo Strategy Simulation Indie (not a genre really, but still important) Also modding.
For those into it, Crusader Kings II is a blast on the grand strategy games field.
Regarding simulation, what I have been playing like an adict is War Thunder. Its an awesome, not complicated WW2 game thats quite enjoyable.
MMo's, after EVE, them all seem shallow.
Indies, yeah, theres quite a bit of good games, that might not excel in graphics but do in originality and alternate gameplay thats not main stream.
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:06:00 -
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Might not be the most accurate comparizon, but its interesting:
http://i.imgur.com/pyrEW0Q.jpg |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:00:00 -
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Man, PC and console use their resources prety close. The consoles also have background taks running, OS running, crap social stuff running.
You can expect 1/3 of the ram on Ps4 to be used for that stuff.
You cant have equal graphics with 'lower' quality hardware. Lower cost, maybe.
Granted, consoles being focused mostly on gaming and on a closed format, they have the oportunity to release a package well balaced and optimized - thats reflected on the lower initial cost of the hardware (though upgrading a console is expensive, as you need am entire new console).
But on the other hand Pc's arent that not-optmized either, you may have way too much Ram, way too much processor, or way too much GPU that your CPU cant handle.
But overall, if you buy the pieces using some low level logic, you pretty much wont have any meaningful bottleneck. That will occur only if you have some part unbalanced or too old. |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:09:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Ender Storm wrote:What you need to understand is this:
- console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc.
- PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers.
So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade.
And Chosing here is the key.
You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity.
Take my PC.
I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints.
Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage.
So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms.
But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints.
So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it.
I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment.
But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to.
9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+.
I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread.
I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going.
Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve.
And I also have a PS3 on the side.
I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience.
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:30:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Ender Storm wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:Ender Storm wrote:What you need to understand is this:
- console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc.
- PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers.
So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade.
And Chosing here is the key.
You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity.
Take my PC.
I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints.
Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage.
So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms.
But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints.
So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it.
I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment.
But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to.
9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience. This was a thread about value in case you had forgotten.
Yes, and I was exemplifying how long PC's can last, and how upgrading works to its advantage. I am not claiming my GPU was cheaper than an PS3 or a PS4 at todays value its $250), but hell, Its way more powerful that that old PS3 and still plays actual games on near maximum with post-processing on, so pretty much equivalent in the pratical sense to a PS4.... with a 4 years old video card.
So, in a sense, I am in "next-gen" since 2011. |
Ender Storm
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:42:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Ender Storm wrote:What you need to understand is this:
- console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc.
- PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers.
So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade.
And Chosing here is the key.
You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity.
Take my PC.
I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints.
Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage.
So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms.
But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints.
So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it.
I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment.
But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to.
I smell a bottleneck
Yup, you smell right. It could perform better, will do after I upgrade some parts, but it performas fine now, so no hurry. |
Ender Storm
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Posted - 2014.05.10 22:10:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Ender Storm wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Ender Storm wrote:What you need to understand is this:
- console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc.
- PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers.
So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade.
And Chosing here is the key.
You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity.
Take my PC.
I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints.
Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage.
So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms.
But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints.
So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it.
I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment.
But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to.
I smell a bottleneck Yup, you smell right. It could perform better, will do after I upgrade some parts, but it performas fine now, so no hurry. Yeah, even if it was an Intel Core 2 Quad (one of the powerful ones) then that's somewhat ok, there would be a bottleneck but nothing to write home about. But that's a major bottleneck there XD
I dont really feel that holding me back as long as gaming goes.
That CPU is a pretty good overclocker, so its runing at 3.6ghz (on stock air). Since most games are single threaded, its not really an issue. I feel it more when multitasking of trying to run applications on the background.
What I miss the most is more ram (have 4gb) adn an SSD. I could easily get the ram, but would prefeer to buy the actual tech, not the old DDR2 ones, so I am holding off to get a CPU/Mobo/Ram kit at once.
Will probably get an unlocked I5, but the I7 seems attractive as it would allow me more power to create and run virtual pcs inside my pc. It woudl be nice to learn more about servers and database aplications without messing with my main pc instalation. |
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