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Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:57:00 - [61] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 93	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:00:00 - [62] - Quote Man, PC and console use their resources prety close. The consoles also have background taks running, OS running, crap social stuff running. You can expect 1/3 of the ram on Ps4 to be used for that stuff. You cant have equal graphics with 'lower' quality hardware. Lower cost, maybe. Granted, consoles being focused mostly on gaming and on a closed format, they have the oportunity to release a package well balaced and optimized - thats reflected on the lower initial cost of the hardware (though upgrading a console is expensive, as you need am entire new console). But on the other hand Pc's arent that not-optmized either, you may have way too much Ram, way too much processor, or way too much GPU that your CPU cant handle. But overall, if you buy the pieces using some low level logic, you pretty much wont have any meaningful bottleneck. That will occur only if you have some part unbalanced or too old.
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:02:00 - [63] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:03:00 - [64] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: A gaming PC is more expensive... period. We can just stop this argument now. Going from no PS4s to one PS4 is cheaper than going from no PCs to one gaming PC. However, CPU tech has been evolving fairly slowly for the last few years since the second generation core i processors were released in 2010-2011. Graphics cards do continually evolve at a fairly rapid pace still, the most notable being a huge surge in VRAM over the last two generations. Now... keep in mind that PS4 you have is never going to get better. It runs at a level of graphical fidelity that you, personally, find acceptable and as long as you find that acceptable it will continue to give you that performance. You buy it, plug it in, and forget it. You know what... that is great. There are a lot of people who are too busy, too tired, too 'whatever' to want to deal with anything more than that, and you guys have every right to feel that way. There is a second group of people who love building, improving, and tinkering.. etc. Gaming is a hobby, whether on a PC or a console... any amount of money you spend on a hobby is only a waste if you perceive it is (but then... why would you pursue the hobby in the first place if you felt it was waste?). I built my first gaming PC in 2011 for ~$1200 (I had a student copy of windows for free) and have since spent ~$400 more adding in little things here and there. Not because I have to, but because I WANT to, I enjoy the tinkering and the improving. With the customizable platforms comes the ability to play games that, simply put, outperform any generation of console. I'm not superior to you because I have a gaming PC, we just choose to experience our hobby, gaming, in different ways. Consoles are more cost efficient - hands down that is undeniable. PCs are more powerful - also undeniable. Don't be afraid to assemble a PC though... its not hard at all anymore. If you can plug your PS3 into a power socket you can build a PC. While this is factual, you are getting more for your money with PC typically. So while it is more expensive, you're getting more, so I'm not convinced regarding the efficiency argument. Also, you can get lots of PC games on much better discounts than console games. Obviously there's also the whole "all the stuff other than games argument as well". IMHO, it's true that you'll spend more money, but you'll get more than that monetary difference back in increased utility. Also, I do have both PCs and consoles, so I've seen both sides if this. Look a bunch of lies. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. It has been shown time and again that you can actually get releases as-cheap as steam if you were to just buy second hand, you can also recoup money from games you are finished with through the secondary market (something you cannot do with PC) Why do people keep bringing this up? Say you purchased Dark Souls 2 brand new for each platform ($60 either place) and you have played it until you never want to touch it again now. On PC you are still now and forever out $60, on the console you can trade it in right now for $33+. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2295	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:03:00 - [65] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Forza 5 would like to have a chat.
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:07:00 - [66] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Forza 5 would like to have a chat. Sorry I cant hear you over how awesome 1920x1200 is but Forza is just 1 game, that has maybe 10-15 moving assets, half of which are rarely on the screen at the same time. I get 60 FPS 1920x1200 while playing Rome 2 modded ot have unit sizes of actual Roman cohorts, 480 men a piece. Now, extrapolate. 10 cohorts = 4800 men, plus auxiliaries another 2700 for just one legion. Now add in enemies of comparable size and ally legions. Yea. Im getting battles upwards of 10-15 thousand. Tell me, can your potato do that? Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 96	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:09:00 - [67] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2828	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:10:00 - [68] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source?
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:14:00 - [69] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Forza 5 would like to have a chat. Sorry I cant hear you over how awesome 1920x1200 is but Forza is just 1 game, that has maybe 10-15 moving assets, half of which are rarely on the screen at the same time. I get 60 FPS 1920x1200 while playing Rome 2 modded ot have unit sizes of actual Roman cohorts, 480 men a piece. Now, extrapolate. 10 cohorts = 4800 men, plus auxiliaries another 2700 for just one legion. Now add in enemies of comparable size and ally legions. Yea. Im getting battles upwards of 10-15 thousand. Tell me, can your potato do that? I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:16:00 - [70] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:17:00 - [71] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience. This was a thread about value in case you had forgotten. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2301	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:17:00 - [72] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. 60 fps 1080p. XBone cant do it. Forza 5 would like to have a chat. Sorry I cant hear you over how awesome 1920x1200 is but Forza is just 1 game, that has maybe 10-15 moving assets, half of which are rarely on the screen at the same time. I get 60 FPS 1920x1200 while playing Rome 2 modded ot have unit sizes of actual Roman cohorts, 480 men a piece. Now, extrapolate. 10 cohorts = 4800 men, plus auxiliaries another 2700 for just one legion. Now add in enemies of comparable size and ally legions. Yea. Im getting battles upwards of 10-15 thousand. Tell me, can your potato do that? Look, I'm in the pro PC camp here, but that's based on facts. Your comment was false.
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 34	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:23:00 - [73] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: oh wow i toughr all pc gamers lived in their moms basement and played WOW but u guess you guys proved me right thats why you fags wont get destiny for youe ****** system Oi! I live in the attic thank you very much. Also: "The PlayStation 4's GPU can perform 1.843 teraflops, making it the world's most powerful games console." From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps4 "AMD Radeon R9 295X2 review 11.5 teraflops of rendering power - Digital Foundry stress-tests the world's fastest graphics card. " From here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-radeon-r9-295x2-review And here's a pretty good piece on console vs. PC: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-the-next-gen-digital-foundry-pc
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 98	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:30:00 - [74] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience. This was a thread about value in case you had forgotten. Yes, and I was exemplifying how long PC's can last, and how upgrading works to its advantage. I am not claiming my GPU was cheaper than an PS3 or a PS4 at todays value its $250), but hell, Its way more powerful that that old PS3 and still plays actual games on near maximum with post-processing on, so pretty much equivalent in the pratical sense to a PS4.... with a 4 years old video card. So, in a sense, I am in "next-gen" since 2011.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 136	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:34:00 - [75] - Quote You only have to upgrade the graphics card unless you bought a powerful one to begin with. Why do people think a PC needs to be completely upgraded all the time? THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 73	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:49:00 - [76] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 568	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:52:00 - [77] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. We want cake and tea.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:57:00 - [78] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: What you need to understand is this: - console: they are frozen in time for the duration of that 7 years. Thus, yes they run games, gut allways at the same sstandard of performance and graphical fidelity. Theres no way to see better textures, better post-processing effects, etc. - PC: if you buy a just as capable machine, it will also b eusable for the same period. BUT, you will progressively have to use less post effects, as the games in the PC environment continues to evolve and push the limits everynew generation of hardware offers. So what I am saying is, a PS3 game now will run in a quality that would be considered 'medium' by todays PC hardware. And thats fine, if the PC owner didnt chose to upgrade. And Chosing here is the key. You dont need to upgrade your PC machine, and if you chose not to, it will peform at "PS3" level of performance and graphical fidelity. Take my PC. I still use an E8400 CPU processor. Its just a Dual core. And, after 6, 7 years of use, it still delivers. I play whatever I want without complaints. Now my GPU. I use a GTX 570. This GPU I bought like 3 years ago as an upgrade froma 9800gtx wich lasted 4 years then broke due a power outage. So, my system is old if you compare it to the actual platforms. But I still can play games like the recent released Tomb Rider at pretty much maximum. I play shooters near maximum as well, without complaints. So far, my machine has not rejected any game I wished to play on it. I could upgrade now if I wanted, porbably will do so next year by just gettign a new GPU/mobo/Ram, and using the old parts like GPU, case, HDD's, so it wont be a huge investment. But I will uograde more out of a desire of having a new shinny than because I need to. 9800 GTX came out in mid 2008, 4 years later would have been mid 2012, 3 years after that would be 2015. Either you are responding to post on the forums from the year 2015, or your 9800 GTX lasted you about 3 years for the price of $300. Then you spent another $300 on the 570 GTX, which brings us to today. You spent $600, going through 2 graphics cards, in over the last 6 years. You didn;t get any additional functionality out of those graphics cards, they were pretty much only to play games (because on-board gfx is enough for most everything else). In 2008 you could have purchased a PS3 for $400 and gotten a an amazing blurray player with it when blurray players were still going for $350+. I am not accounting the days to the minute, just remembering stuff. Sorry if I really dont care that much to debunk others as you do, thats not the objective of this thread. I am not a guy concerned about costs. I dot buy the cheaper I can get. I buy the best I can get, so my builds are medium to expensive, depending on how are my savings going. Going from a 9800gtx to a gtx 570 opened new possibilities as it suported the most recent DX11. Also, beter performance and a lot more video ram, needed for better graphics and textures a 9800 wouldnt achieve. And I also have a PS3 on the side. I wouldnt put "having a blu ray" over better gaming experience. This was a thread about value in case you had forgotten. Yes, and I was exemplifying how long PC's can last, and how upgrading works to its advantage. I am not claiming my GPU was cheaper than an PS3 or a PS4 at todays value its $250), but hell, Its way more powerful that that old PS3 and still plays actual games on near maximum with post-processing on, so pretty much equivalent in the pratical sense to a PS4.... with a 4 years old video card. So, in a sense, I am in "next-gen" since 2011. No and no. The 9800 GT ended up getting about the same performance in-game as the PS3 did, so right there by itself, from the years 2008-2011 you spent $300 on the PS3 equivelent, but without all the exclusives and with the mush higher power requirement. from 2011 til today, you got basically the "Wii U." Yes definitely more powerful than current gen, but in the end that rig would be no match for next gen in-game. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:58:00 - [79] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2830	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:01:00 - [80] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4.

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:03:00 - [81] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Console is the cost of 1 graphics card upgrade, an upgrade every 3 years if this thread is to be believed. (I know, some do it more, and some do it less). That isn't to mention the CPU (every 5 or so), the HDD/SSD (3-4 years), powersupply (5 years maybe 7 if you like to gamble), motherboard (new CPU = new motherboard), Ram (new motherboard and CPU almost always means new ram too), and maybe new case if you just feel like a change. On top of this it cost 2-3 times more power to run. No, it is not more value. It is more expensive, only neckbeards like you could possibly think that it is in any way shape or form cheaper. Are you seriously going to debate exclusives? Really?... no really? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:05:00 - [82] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4. That isn't how it works dumb-dumb, let me restate: LINK ME TO A COMPUTER THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THE PS4 WITHIN $200. (don't forget the blurray and legal operating system) I will then find the power consumption of the device and show you how stupid you are. EDIT: We will do it this way so that #1 you actually have to put in some type of effort. #2. You can't say that I am cherry picking #3. Because it was what I stated to begin with. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2305	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:06:00 - [83] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Console is the cost of 1 graphics card upgrade, an upgrade every 3 years if this thread is to be believed. (I know, some do it more, and some do it less). That isn't to mention the CPU (every 5 or so), the HDD/SSD (3-4 years), powersupply (5 years maybe 7 if you like to gamble), motherboard (new CPU = new motherboard), Ram (new motherboard and CPU almost always means new ram too), and maybe new case if you just feel like a change. On top of this it cost 2-3 times more power to run. No, it is not more value. It is more expensive, only neckbeards like you could possibly think that it is in any way shape or form cheaper. Are you seriously going to debate exclusives? Really?... no really? Here's the thing with your flawed logic. You don't have to upgrade. Only if you want to. If you don't, you will continue to be able to run any game that you could before. You will still be able to run most new games, just at ever decreasing graphics levels. Any game actually designed specifically for a console will work too of course, because they suffer from the same exact issue - obsolescence. Now, if you want to upgrade, you can do so, and keep running the newest games at graphics levels that console users can only dream of. In addition, you can still run all the old game - all the way back to the 80's, and you have more to choose from in general, so yeah it is more value. There are so many PC exclusives that they probably outnumber all console games ever made - really.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2832	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:09:00 - [84] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4. That isn't how it works dumb-dumb, let me restate: LINK ME TO A COMPUTER THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THE PS4 WITHIN $200. (don't forget the blurray and legal operating system) I will then find the power consumption of the device and show you how stupid you are. EDIT: We will do it this way so that #1 you actually have to put in some type of effort. #2. You can't say that I am cherry picking #3. Because it was what I stated to begin with. Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2305	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:14:00 - [85] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Source? Why do we need a source, this is a bit of information we can easily obtain for ourselves. Seriously, it is just a simple bit of math and computation. Lets just do the math ourselves shall we? Link me to a computer that is comparable to the PS4, within idk.... $200 of the price. Okay, show me some math where PCs are using 2-3x more electricity per month than a PS4. That isn't how it works dumb-dumb, let me restate: LINK ME TO A COMPUTER THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THE PS4 WITHIN $200. (don't forget the blurray and legal operating system) I will then find the power consumption of the device and show you how stupid you are. EDIT: We will do it this way so that #1 you actually have to put in some type of effort. #2. You can't say that I am cherry picking #3. Because it was what I stated to begin with. Did you even read your quote? Here let me link it again. So, it has been shown time and again that a PC will cost you 2-3 times if not more on your electricity bill every month. I'm not arguing that a PC is cheaper to buy. You are just trying to dodge a statement you know you made with no proof. Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:20:00 - [86] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Console is the cost of 1 graphics card upgrade, an upgrade every 3 years if this thread is to be believed. (I know, some do it more, and some do it less). That isn't to mention the CPU (every 5 or so), the HDD/SSD (3-4 years), powersupply (5 years maybe 7 if you like to gamble), motherboard (new CPU = new motherboard), Ram (new motherboard and CPU almost always means new ram too), and maybe new case if you just feel like a change. On top of this it cost 2-3 times more power to run. No, it is not more value. It is more expensive, only neckbeards like you could possibly think that it is in any way shape or form cheaper. Are you seriously going to debate exclusives? Really?... no really? Here's the thing with your flawed logic. You don't have to upgrade. Only if you want to. If you don't, you will continue to be able to run any game that you could before. You will still be able to run most new games, just at ever decreasing graphics levels. Any game actually designed specifically for a console will work too of course, because they suffer from the same exact issue - obsolescence. Now, if you want to upgrade, you can do so, and keep running the newest games at graphics levels that console users can only dream of. In addition, you can still run all the old game - all the way back to the 80's, and you have more to choose from in general, so yeah it is more value. If you do not upgrade, your computer will continue to look worse, not better (as is the case for the console) because you will be left behind in game development. So just off of the top of my head, in 2007 or 2008 Eve online stopped supporting graphics cards that didn't support shader model 3.0. At the time that meant graphics cards that were less than 2-3 years old were no longer supported. Sometimes expansions and DLC have slightly higher requirements. Point is the computer performance, suprise suprise, degrades relatively over time, the opposite of the console. Speaking of which aren't some games being released only in Direct x 10 or above now? Also, for a good long time a TON of DOS games were not playable without a jumping through a ton of hoops because of newer operating systems. Thank jebus for DOSBox and the people who know how to use it. You do understand though, that GoG releasing older games on DOSBOX is really no different than how you can buy tons of PSOne games on PSN aswell right? Or how about all of those older nintendo games you can play on the wii? Every single component in a computer has a life-span that is not dissimilar to a consoles (because internally they are VERY similar). This means you will be replacing the ENTIRETY of your computer's innards as ofte (if not more so) than a console owner would. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2833	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:20:00 - [87] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. Not necessarily... low level API access is a huge boon and why consoles can do so much with so little. I'm curious what Mantle and the new DirectX end up doing for PC gaming. If PCs hand direct-to-metal APIs they would end up roflstomping all over consoles. Combine that with multi-threading (something that moving extremely slow in the game development industry) and you would have 5 year old dual-core PCs with ~$100 graphics cards running at the same levels that the PS4 can achieve now.
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 36	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:22:00 - [88] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. If you think consoles have more and better exclusives than PC, you don't know where to look for good PC games. ORLY? I am going to have to guess even you masterracists buddies are not going to back you up on this one. You would be wrong. PC exclusives: Pretty much every strategy game (Total War, AirLand Battle, etc.), mmo (Eve, Wow, Guild Wars2 etc.) and space sim (Elite: Dangerous, SC, X series, Eve). DayZ, Rust, Kerbal Space Program, Legion (snicker), Arma2/3 and about one billion other fps games, every hardcore simulator (cars, planes, wood chippers, goats), MOBA's (LoL, Dota etc.) and a metric f**kton of other games I can't remember. Your turn.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2305	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:23:00 - [89] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Not only that, his argument is really, really stupid. A PS4 is just a mid level gaming PC wrapped in a sony bit of plastic. Do you think it runs some special power supply? Or video card? Or hard drive? Or bluray player? Probably the only thing even made by Sony in the entire thing is the case. Not necessarily... low level API access is a huge boon and why consoles can do so much with so little. I'm curious what Mantle and the new DirectX end up doing for PC gaming. If PCs hand direct-to-metal APIs they would end up roflstomping all over consoles. Combine that with multi-threading (something that moving extremely slow in the game development industry) and you would have 5 year old dual-core PCs with ~$100 graphics cards running at the same levels that the PS4 can achieve now. You're right that there is an efficiency bonus from more efficient OS implementations. That isn't going to come close to his 2-3 times argument. I think 20% would be considered huge. Even without Mantle et al, they are already roflstomping consoles. Now, if you're using a much more powerful PC, then yes it's going to use more power, but not an equivalent one - at least not by much.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2305	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:26:00 - [90] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am sorry I can't hear you over all of the amazing exclusives I am playing. See that is what you sound like, that is the conversation you are trying to engage in. You no longer want to talk about price efficiency, you just want to compare virtual dong sizes. sigh... what else should I have expected from PCmasterracists. PC provides better value, when you factor in the performance and ability to upgrade. After 7 years you have to scrap your potato and start over with a new machine. I can replace parts as needed, and get better performance. And exclusives? LOL. Very few exclusives are actually worth it. See Last of Us. Most exclusives turn out to be Dust 514. But who am I kidding, we all know you a a master troll peasant who can't be educated out of the constant "which potato is gud" spin cycle. Console is the cost of 1 graphics card upgrade, an upgrade every 3 years if this thread is to be believed. (I know, some do it more, and some do it less). That isn't to mention the CPU (every 5 or so), the HDD/SSD (3-4 years), powersupply (5 years maybe 7 if you like to gamble), motherboard (new CPU = new motherboard), Ram (new motherboard and CPU almost always means new ram too), and maybe new case if you just feel like a change. On top of this it cost 2-3 times more power to run. No, it is not more value. It is more expensive, only neckbeards like you could possibly think that it is in any way shape or form cheaper. Are you seriously going to debate exclusives? Really?... no really? Here's the thing with your flawed logic. You don't have to upgrade. Only if you want to. If you don't, you will continue to be able to run any game that you could before. You will still be able to run most new games, just at ever decreasing graphics levels. Any game actually designed specifically for a console will work too of course, because they suffer from the same exact issue - obsolescence. Now, if you want to upgrade, you can do so, and keep running the newest games at graphics levels that console users can only dream of. In addition, you can still run all the old game - all the way back to the 80's, and you have more to choose from in general, so yeah it is more value. If you do not upgrade, your computer will continue to look worse, not better (as is the case for the console) because you will be left behind in game development. So just off of the top of my head, in 2007 or 2008 Eve online stopped supporting graphics cards that didn't support shader model 3.0. At the time that meant graphics cards that were less than 2-3 years old were no longer supported. Sometimes expansions and DLC have slightly higher requirements. Point is the computer performance, suprise suprise, degrades relatively over time, the opposite of the console. Speaking of which aren't some games being released only in Direct x 10 or above now? Also, for a good long time a TON of DOS games were not playable without a jumping through a ton of hoops because of newer operating systems. Thank jebus for DOSBox and the people who know how to use it. You do understand though, that GoG releasing older games on DOSBOX is really no different than how you can buy tons of PSOne games on PSN aswell right? Or how about all of those older nintendo games you can play on the wii? Every single component in a computer has a life-span that is not dissimilar to a consoles (because internally they are VERY similar). This means you will be replacing the ENTIRETY of your computer's innards as ofte (if not more so) than a console owner would. Yet more flawed logic. Consoles and PCs are similar. Let's get that out of the way. Any game designed for a console is going to be targeted at the console's hardware. Thus, any PC with similar hardware will run the game just as well as the console. Thus, and PC with better hardware will run the game better than the console. The end.



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