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PonyClause Rex Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 382	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:25:00 - [1] - Quote Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC You are now in the master race club Cons: Ill add any legitimate cons from responses (if any)
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4333	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:27:00 - [2] - Quote Cons: we become PC gamers. Markdown:
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1289	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:28:00 - [3] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC You are now in the master race club Cons: Ill add any legitimate cons from responses (if any) Con: everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise.
DozersMouse XIII Inner.Hell 725	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:28:00 - [4] - Quote when it comes to FPS console>PC why pctards were mad at dust
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 11	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:29:00 - [5] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 214	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:31:00 - [6] - Quote If the PC players that have been posting on these forums for the past few days are any indication of your club's members then, no thank you. I want no part of any club that refers to themselves as the "master race", for reasons that should be quite obvious.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2082	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:32:00 - [7] - Quote Cons: all my online friends are on PSN If this is not enough... PSN: ogamega
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1293	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:32:00 - [8] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: when it comes to FPS console>PC Which is why aim assist is needed for gamepad users, right?
PonyClause Rex Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 382	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:34:00 - [9] - Quote empty qouted my self for some reason
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2364	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:35:00 - [10] - Quote Cons: 1. Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... 2. Playing with a controller, if at all possible will be next to pointless. 3. If I am to get a PC for the sake of playing shooters, there are a multitude of games out there I'd rather play than CCP's Version of a shooter. Cons of releasing it on a PC vs a PS4: The Evetard part of the community, you know, those guys doing a lot of dying and too little "adapting", you will eliminate the most competitive part of this community, many MAG vets and vets from other shooters will not follow it over to PC. So gungame be damned, lets make some more spreadsheets.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.

DozersMouse XIII Inner.Hell 725	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:38:00 - [11] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: when it comes to FPS console>PC Which is why aim assist is needed for gamepad users, right? some which is why PC is infested with aimbot and hacks, right? or is it better rig beats out better player? I don't use aim assist and have over 50k kills in dust using ds3 bottom line is fps is better on console why pctards were mad at dust
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1293	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:41:00 - [12] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: bottom line is fps is better on console We're all entitled to our own opinions.
Drecain Midular Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:41:00 - [13] - Quote Pros: mouse/keyboard is better at controlling a FPS. Controllers need a built in aimbot to be able to play. Before the aimbot patch in dust, m/kb players were doing better - so they got nerfed. No need for that (on that note, I wonder what this means for a possible PS4 port of legion if that becomes a reality. My guess is another round of controller rage, but with a different outcome this time since it was built for PC in the first place this time..) Cons: PC gaming forces you to retreat to an effing mancave and be out of touch with gf and family. Before you say that it's possible to hook up a PC to the TV, just don't. It's not the same thing - the fonts and UI are smaller in PC games because they're designed for a screen you're supposed to sit four feet from.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2084	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:45:00 - [14] - Quote Other cons: You need a good performing PC which costs (while you are playing you also have to run Windows, anti-virus, other programs) PC have virus PSN: ogamega
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 12	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:46:00 - [15] - Quote I like how the "PCMASTERRACE" Crowd always "forget" to reply at my statement
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 19	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:50:00 - [16] - Quote Sorry, but why do I want a crappy game from an incompetent company that has no respect for its customers? Because YOU have a ton of emotions invested in it? CCP makes crap products based on lies. Just accept it. When I get a PC I'm sure I will find much better games to play.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2365	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:51:00 - [17] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: when it comes to FPS console>PC Which is why aim assist is needed for gamepad users, right? Its needed when the developers have such nifty qualities to their game as "variable input lag" and variable character movement speed determined by connection. Man, just see the way Dust drops its frame rate when you have 10 players in a small area.... Stop confusing Developer issues With format (console) issues, they are not the same. I take it as a given that you never played MAG.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Drecain Midular Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:57:00 - [18] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that **** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread. Jastaddd Death seeker wrote:** I like how the "PCMASTERRACE" Crowd always "forget" to reply at my statement This is the case with the PS3 as well. Paying for hardware that might get you an advantage exists on the PS3 as well: http://www.penguinunitedstore.com/products/Eagle-Eye-Converter-for-Playstation-3.html
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2493	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:00:00 - [19] - Quote I prefer console. I already have a PC. I use it to code and do random school projects. Console is where my entertainment is at.
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 14	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:03:00 - [20] - Quote Drecain Midular wrote: CUT l[/url] Wrong example, simply because EMULATION is not NATIVE support. On many games, DUST included, the Eagle eye work like ****. And KBM are not advantage, in a game with well programmed aim mechanics. Here's the mic, your turn.

TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3241	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:04:00 - [21] - Quote Cons: you will get absolutely ragged by even newbs to the game lol, enjoy. Well that was fun
PonyClause Rex Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 382	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:07:00 - [22] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cons: you will get absolutely ragged by even newbs to the game lol, enjoy. So newbs are not allowed to 'ragg' vets? sounds like balance to me
DozersMouse XIII Inner.Hell 726	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:11:00 - [23] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cons: you will get absolutely ragged by even newbs to the game lol, enjoy. So newbs are not allowed to 'ragg' vets? sounds like balance to me works in eve right? why pctards were mad at dust
Drecain Midular Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:12:00 - [24] - Quote Eagle eye or XIM or whatever other brands there are not giving an advantage is not true. That's just a matter of tweaking the settings The most important thing you're forgetting about them is thaty they make the PS3 think your KBM are in fact a controller - wich means you get the controller aim assist on the KBM!. I disagree with your dismissal of them. They exist and they are hardware bought for cash that can give you an advantage. KBM are an advantage, as has been shown time and time again when you put controller players in games against KBM users.
PonyClause Rex Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 383	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:16:00 - [25] - Quote Drecain Midular wrote: Eagle eye or XIM or whatever other brands there are not giving an advantage is not true. That's just a matter of tweaking the settings The most important thing you're forgetting about them is thaty they make the PS3 think your KBM are in fact a controller - wich means you get the controller aim assist on the KBM!. I disagree with your dismissal of them. They exist and they are hardware bought for cash that can give you an advantage. KBM are an advantage, as has been shown time and time again when you put controller players in games against KBM users. Yes KB/M is an advantage over DS3 but no differant when someone buys a superior item from the ingame market to get an ADVANTAGE over someone else
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1441	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:17:00 - [26] - Quote I don't have a good PC. *Assassination is my thing.*
PonyClause Rex Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 383	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:17:00 - [27] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cons: you will get absolutely ragged by even newbs to the game lol, enjoy. So newbs are not allowed to 'ragg' vets? sounds like balance to me works in eve right? Eve is a numbers game and not one where there is a super hero pilot on godmode invincible to newbs because he is entitled or because he has the best gear or SP
PonyClause Rex Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 383	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:18:00 - [28] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: I don't have a good PC. Thank you another PRO to the list You can upgrade PC hard ware but you cant on the ps3
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 99	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:21:00 - [29] - Quote I already have a PC, now I just to find parts to upgrade it so it can run legion PROPERLY without crashing.... let us transfer our BPOs,stats,gear,ISK and SP to legion pl0x! Try and steal my BPOs. I dare ya. AMARRIAN4LYFE
Drecain Midular Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:23:00 - [30] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Drecain Midular wrote: Eagle eye or XIM or whatever other brands there are not giving an advantage is not true. That's just a matter of tweaking the settings The most important thing you're forgetting about them is thaty they make the PS3 think your KBM are in fact a controller - wich means you get the controller aim assist on the KBM!. I disagree with your dismissal of them. They exist and they are hardware bought for cash that can give you an advantage. KBM are an advantage, as has been shown time and time again when you put controller players in games against KBM users. Yes KB/M is an advantage over DS3 but no differant when someone buys a superior item from the ingame market to get an ADVANTAGE over someone else Sure, but if there is a roof on how much you can get ingame - and there is such a thing as capping out all the skills of the dropsuit, weapons and modules you're wearing and then fitting nothing but proto - the ones using a KBM converter still has his aimbot boosted mode of input with an input mode that is more precise. Advantage bought by cash - the one playing on the latest gaming PC and a macro keyboard and a gaming mouse vs the one playing on a two year old gaming PC beats player no.2.

DozersMouse XIII Inner.Hell 727	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:23:00 - [31] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: I don't have a good PC. Thank you another PRO to the list You can upgrade PC hard ware but you cant on the ps3 I upgraded my HDD why pctards were mad at dust
Drecain Midular Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:27:00 - [32] - Quote Pay to win will always exist is my point. Now, I will agree with you that the gap is wider with PC gaming, but that is not what I believe we are arguing about here, right?
PonyClause Rex Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 383	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:32:00 - [33] - Quote Drecain Midular wrote: Pay to win will always exist is my point. Now, I will agree with you that the gap is wider with PC gaming, but that is not what I believe we are arguing about here, right? Yeah its the pros and cons of the rig and not the input method because that is available to both platforms and is personal preference
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 962	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:32:00 - [34] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc bolded and underlined *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 757	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:34:00 - [35] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Cons: 1. Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... 2. Playing with a controller, if at all possible will be next to pointless. 3. If I am to get a PC for the sake of playing shooters, there are a multitude of games out there I'd rather play than CCP's Version of a shooter. Cons of releasing it on a PC vs a PS4: The Evetard part of the community, you know, those guys doing a lot of dying and too little "adapting", you will eliminate the most competitive part of this community, many MAG vets and vets from other shooters will not follow it over to PC. So gungame be damned, lets make some more spreadsheets.... This. Never tought of the day i would agree with King, but it takes an apocalypse to join fellow gamers. I am a console gamer, now and forever, have 2 ps3 and 2 plasmas side by side just for Dust, and i would never trade my confy couch and my Ds3 for PC gaming. Ever. Tech Guard Recruiting Video
Toby Flenderson research lab 537	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:35:00 - [36] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Not everyone spends a PC's worth of money on this gameGÇª
PonyClause Rex Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 383	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:37:00 - [37] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Not everyone spends a PC's worth of money on this gameGÇª Then they should sell there ps3 too hahah just kidding
Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 93	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:11:00 - [38] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Cons: 1. Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... 2. Playing with a controller, if at all possible will be next to pointless. 3. If I am to get a PC for the sake of playing shooters, there are a multitude of games out there I'd rather play than CCP's Version of a shooter. Cons of releasing it on a PC vs a PS4: The Evetard part of the community, you know, those guys doing a lot of dying and too little "adapting", you will eliminate the most competitive part of this community, many MAG vets and vets from other shooters will not follow it over to PC. So gungame be damned, lets make some more spreadsheets.... There is a reason PC gamers like me played played BF4 and Titanfall for a few weeks before going back to playing Dust on the ps3, These games were lacking some of the things that makes Dust great, mainly the fear of death, Dust stimulated adrenaline in a different way because you also cared about not dying. A PC is much greater value for money for any gamer then a console, a ps3 gamer getting his first gaming PC will quickly realize this, If Legion is done right it will be the PC shooter I will be playing, being able to hurt other player or get hurt by them is under-rated in gaming and its one of the reasons people play Eve and to some degree Dust, not to mention long term conflicts, goals, grudges that dont really exist in other games, continuity instead of "same ****, new level cap", and 1 world 1 server is a MUST for me at this point, Once Dust players blackmail their first Eve corporation (or other Dust corporation) under threat of war/sabotage (and then betray them :)) They will be sucked into this kind "high stakes gaming" and will never leave, Dust on ps3 failed miserable at trying to realize this vision tho. Eve is about, speed, angles, signatures, tracking, preperation, deception and risk taking for me, not about spreadsheet!!
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2232	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:16:00 - [39] - Quote Quote: A PC is much greater value for money for any gamer then a console Stopped reading He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 161	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:17:00 - [40] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Love your gif, itGÇÖs just soGÇª jolly. Well, now that that has been said, money is not an issue for me. I could get a new computer easily capable of running an FPS just from the coins I have in a jar at home. It is not always money that stops people from playing on a PC. For me itGÇÖs simply convenience; I donGÇÖt have to update my GÇ£rigGÇ¥ until they bring a new one out, I donGÇÖt have to waste any effort towards maintaining my GÇ£rigGÇ¥ (other than the occasional vacuum cleaner to the holes) and my GÇ£rigGÇ¥ sits next to my TV and doesnGÇÖt require a ton of ventilation. I also have no desire to learn KB/M. While I am very good at aiming with a mouse I cannot use a keyboard to navigate even if my life dependent on it. On console I use a controller and so does 90 percent of my competition. Controller, in my hands, has no place in PC environment; it is flat out inferior. So if I was to pick up Legion and play it with a controller IGÇÖm sure I would be nothing but a meat shield to my team. On a console, where almost everyone uses the same input device, I stand equal with my competition. I have no desire to gimp myself. Also, even if I was to learn KB/M, there is no way to comfortably use it on my couch. Oh hell no will I be sitting at a desk to GÇ£relaxGÇ¥ with a game. I sit at a desk and stare at computer for living, 8 hours a day is enough. And pretty much everyone I have met here are console players. So I would rather go and play other console games with them than get a good PC and play without them. There is no game that is PC exclusive that currently interests me and warrants me to buy a good PC. I love DUST and wanted to see it become what was promised so long ago. I am sad that CCP gave up on it. I will not be playing Legion, or DUST for long for that matter. I have never proto stomped but now that DUST 514 is dead I can do it without remorse!! 285 million ISK to go.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9442	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:18:00 - [41] - Quote I'm a PC gamer by nature, just that I didn't have the hardware for a couple of years so I was pretty much forced into playing only on my PS3. So for me, switching to a PC (which I was planning to buy SoonGäó anyway) would not be difficult. But just like some PC players were too stubborn to use a controller when MKB doesn't work well in DUST, so are console players not willing to make the switch. They invested time, money and effort into a game that promised to provide a "console exprience" in the EVE universe. That means laying down on a couch, taking your controller, getting into DUST and enjoy the game, without any hassle at all. Now it's taken away from them, without their promise being fulfilled, and telling them to switch to a completely new platform. That is not acceptable. Legion should be on the PS4 ASAP. -
Rupture Reaperson SyNergy Gaming EoN. 314	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:20:00 - [42] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I prefer console. I already have a PC. I use it to code and do random school projects. Console is where my entertainment is at. This, take a hint EvEtards
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5186	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:20:00 - [43] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread. Good post to put here. I no longer play Planetside 2 in part because of what you said here. The amount of hackers in that game is unbelievable. Their GMs can't even come close to keeping up with them all. As well, everyone is assholes to each other, and they take that **** outside the game on a constant basis. When I was playing the game with The Enclave, one time when we'd been beating up Goonswarm's P2 division for about an hour, they did a DDoS on the small server we were using for our website and TeamSpeak 3 server. As soon as our comms were down they tried to do this big push back out of their "safe zone". As another example, there was a bug in the game for a while that involved a larger group of APCs, a bunch of mines, and some well-placed C4. When you lit the whole thing off, it would DC everyone in the installation where you did it. I don't think I need to tell you how many times that one got thrown around. TEST pretty much made themselves famous for it.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 63	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:31:00 - [44] - Quote With a PC platform, players will be able to play Legion and EVE at the same time. Multiboxing is a reality on the PC platform. PCs evolve as the hardware evolve, no need for gimmick "next-gen" hyped stuff that's pretty much last gen, as even the PS4 is pretty much a medium PC. Game development and fixing is way faster within the PC ecosystem. Within PC, you can have third part communication tools making easy to communicate with fellow Dust/Legion and EVE players alike. Having a PC, you gains access to a huge library of F2P games, AAA games, cheap sales on Steam, you name it. The claim thats hacking is a big thing on PC is blown out of proportion. I rarelly see that as games are very active in detecting and stoping it. And if you live on an ilusion that PS3 is hack imune, sorry for destroying your dream: http://www.destructoid.com/hackers-have-taken-over-call-of-duty-4-on-ps3-142465.phtml Regarding cost, you can build a PS4 killer for around $600. Its not a big investment considering it will be a superior machine. Now I must concede, you will miss the couch, unless wanting to walk that extra mile ans pluging the PC to your TV and assembling some setup to allow for kbm placement on the couch.
Orenji Jiji 423	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:44:00 - [45] - Quote Cons: PC Master Race culture. Cons: Retards. From Eve. So... EveTards. Cons: Colon cancer. Cons: Another pre-beta turd "product" testing. I would seriously consider going back to PC to push evetards to PvE, but meh. There would be so many other finished games to play that I would most likely not be able to test another pre-beta quality turd on top of all that. I'm gonna love myself some Armored Core: Verdict Day in next few days, then get a PS4 and play Destiny and Division. tl;dr: Gonna skip EVE LEGION and see you all on another CCP FPS reboot in 2-3 years. No more money for CCP (Can't Complete Projects). CPM0 = "F*ck you, got mine."
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 363	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:02:00 - [46] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: With a PC platform, players will be able to play Legion and EVE at the same time. Multiboxing is a reality on the PC platform. PCs evolve as the hardware evolve, no need for gimmick "next-gen" hyped stuff that's pretty much last gen, as even the PS4 is pretty much a medium PC. Game development and fixing is way faster within the PC ecosystem. Within PC, you can have third part communication tools making easy to communicate with fellow Dust/Legion and EVE players alike. Having a PC, you gains access to a huge library of F2P games, AAA games, cheap sales on Steam, you name it. The claim thats hacking is a big thing on PC is blown out of proportion. I rarelly see that as games are very active in detecting and stoping it. And if you live on an ilusion that PS3 is hack imune, sorry for destroying your dream: http://www.destructoid.com/hackers-have-taken-over-call-of-duty-4-on-ps3-142465.phtml Regarding cost, you can build a PS4 killer for around $600. Its not a big investment considering it will be a superior machine. Now I must concede, you will miss the couch, unless wanting to walk that extra mile ans pluging the PC to your TV and assembling some setup to allow for kbm placement on the couch. Just to add on a possible PRO: The StamBox will allow you to play PC games like a console: i.e. on your couch with a controller in your hand if you really like that. Of course, this could depend on if the Steam box can utilize a "PC Emulator" or "if Unix will be supported". The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2368	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:09:00 - [47] - Quote Hairy Butter wrote: KingBabar wrote: Cons: 1. Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... 2. Playing with a controller, if at all possible will be next to pointless. 3. If I am to get a PC for the sake of playing shooters, there are a multitude of games out there I'd rather play than CCP's Version of a shooter. Cons of releasing it on a PC vs a PS4: The Evetard part of the community, you know, those guys doing a lot of dying and too little "adapting", you will eliminate the most competitive part of this community, many MAG vets and vets from other shooters will not follow it over to PC. So gungame be damned, lets make some more spreadsheets.... There is a reason PC gamers like me played played BF4 and Titanfall for a few weeks before going back to playing Dust on the ps3, These games were lacking some of the things that makes Dust great, mainly the fear of death, Dust stimulated adrenaline in a different way because you also cared about not dying. A PC is much greater value for money for any gamer then a console, a ps3 gamer getting his first gaming PC will quickly realize this, If Legion is done right it will be the PC shooter I will be playing, being able to hurt other player or get hurt by them is under-rated in gaming and its one of the reasons people play Eve and to some degree Dust, not to mention long term conflicts, goals, grudges that dont really exist in other games, continuity instead of "same ****, new level cap", and 1 world 1 server is a MUST for me at this point, Once Dust players blackmail their first Eve corporation (or other Dust corporation) under threat of war/sabotage (and then betray them :)) They will be sucked into this kind "high stakes gaming" and will never leave, Dust on ps3 failed miserable at trying to realize this vision tho. Eve is about, speed, angles, signatures, tracking, preperation, deception and risk taking for me, not about spreadsheet!! If you don't have a fear of Death in other shooters than Dust then thats completely your own issue. I don't care about dying any more in Dust than in other shooters, try counting your Dust isk in Bs and not Ms and you'll know what I mean. And you need to pull your head out of whatever hole its currently in. "Greater value for Money"? Really? My current PC cost more than my PS3 did, in fact twice as much and I can hardly play any decent game on it at all.... You also wrote: "not to mention long term conflicts, goals, grudges that dont really exist in other games, continuity instead of..." Yeah, we had nothing of this in MAG. I'm sure CS players never experience any sort of consistency and long term rivalry etc.... Are you another one of these EVEtards that has played Dust and some other shooters for hours and then conclude that Dust is a superior shooter? Sure sounds like it to me. If you'd played MAG competitively and been part of that community and forum QQ, I have a hard time seing you making these statements.... EVE is about tactical skill, "gungame" is virtually non excistent as far as I've been told. What makes one pilote better than the next in EVE? Please tell me, I really like to know.... Lastly, You Write: "Dust on ps3 failed miserable at trying to realize this vision tho." Well that too. Dust has failed in the most basic of way, thats the most important part IMO. Even now, a year after launch, the game is filled With very basic bugs. Sometimes my character can't run at normal speed, it for some reason runs very slowly and I have to re engage. This is just one example. Have anyone here ever heard of a game where pressing the "run" button sometimes doesn't work properly? Its unheard of and shows CCPs skill at doing their job. Even after month of this bug we still haven't gotten as much as a acknowledgement from CCP as far as I know. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4290	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:10:00 - [48] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: If the PC players that have been posting on these forums for the past few days are any indication of your club's members then, no thank you. I want no part of any club that refers to themselves as the "master race", for reasons that should be quite obvious. Like this community been better. Please man. Stop acting like people been saints in these forums. They've been just as bad. People around say what they don't mean. It's apparent since many are so hurt but consist of the same people who called this game a pos. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 15	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:16:00 - [49] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread. Good post to put here. I no longer play Planetside 2 in part because of what you said here. The amount of hackers in that game is unbelievable. Their GMs can't even come close to keeping up with them all. As well, everyone is assholes to each other, and they take that ** outside the game on a constant basis. When I was playing the game with The Enclave, one time when we'd been beating up Goonswarm's P2 division for about an hour, they did a DDoS on the small server we were using for our website and TeamSpeak 3 server. As soon as our comms were down they tried to do this big push back out of their "safe zone". As another example, there was a bug in the game for a while that involved a larger group of APCs, a bunch of mines, and some well-placed C4. When you lit the whole thing off, it would DC everyone in the installation where you did it. I don't think I need to tell you how many times that one got thrown around. TEST pretty much made themselves famous for it. Yeah people tend to forget about Hack and ** for Christ sake, CCP can't even stop GJR from farming like ON A FORUM. Thats not a good presentation card
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 63	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:21:00 - [50] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread. Good post to put here. I no longer play Planetside 2 in part because of what you said here. The amount of hackers in that game is unbelievable. Their GMs can't even come close to keeping up with them all. As well, everyone is assholes to each other, and they take that ** outside the game on a constant basis. When I was playing the game with The Enclave, one time when we'd been beating up Goonswarm's P2 division for about an hour, they did a DDoS on the small server we were using for our website and TeamSpeak 3 server. As soon as our comms were down they tried to do this big push back out of their "safe zone". As another example, there was a bug in the game for a while that involved a larger group of APCs, a bunch of mines, and some well-placed C4. When you lit the whole thing off, it would DC everyone in the installation where you did it. I don't think I need to tell you how many times that one got thrown around. TEST pretty much made themselves famous for it. Yeah people tend to forget about Hack and ** for Christ sake, CCP can't even stop GJR from farming like ON A FORUM. Thats not a good presentation card PS3 has hacks too... but yeah, lets close eyes on that...

Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 15	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:27:00 - [51] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: PS3 has hacks too... but yeah, lets close eyes on that... Link Pls. of a WORKING method, not some sub-shamanic procedure ( you know,like fixing x-box360 with a pile of glue and other ** you find on youtube.) cause, you know, i can find a LOT of AIM,TRIG bot (that are worse than aimbot, since CCP is using a Hit-detect weapon system, hope that i don't need to tell you why) and wall hack for every FPS/MMOFPS for PC. If you talking about lag switching you know that isn't useful on this type of game. That way i choose this game, cause server side DMG calc mean lag switch is futile. I can't play a game where may death count when people lag the ** out of me Sad to say, it was ccp that choose to have crappy framerate.
Jarod Garamonde Jr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 70	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:28:00 - [52] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 719	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:33:00 - [53] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: If the PC players that have been posting on these forums for the past few days are any indication of your club's members then, no thank you. I want no part of any club that refers to themselves as the "master race", for reasons that should be quite obvious. You noticed the migration after the FF as well huh ??? Yeah ... they came to rub it in the Dust communities face , like the fellow mentioned when he introduced himself to the EVE players at FF .... it's all the same , they just don't and didn't have any respect for our community . CCP showed the same . But we're the one's acting like babies so some have said in their posts . Just flat out disrespectful they are , the bulk of them indeed ... some have shown some resolve to stand with us ( The Dust Community ) and to them I say Thank You . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 218	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:39:00 - [54] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: If the PC players that have been posting on these forums for the past few days are any indication of your club's members then, no thank you. I want no part of any club that refers to themselves as the "master race", for reasons that should be quite obvious. Like this community been better. Please man. Stop acting like people been saints in these forums. They've been just as bad. People around say what they don't mean. It's apparent since many are so hurt but consist of the same people who called this game a pos. We may not have been saints and, truth be told, I didn't think it could possibly get any worse, but it certainly HAS since we've added this whole PC Master Race vs Console Peasants B.S. to the mix, ON TOP of the problems we already had.
noob cavman Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1493	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:39:00 - [55] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. I have pc but its built only for art/3d modelling software and $40? Heathen please alot of us pay in real money. Pound sterling = true master race but $40? Jeeze your Internet company's strangle you guys over there, my tvio box, phone and Internet only cost me -ú30 I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Psn id marko_blues
Jarod Garamonde Jr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 70	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:45:00 - [56] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. I have pc but its built only for art/3d modelling software and $40? Heathen please alot of us pay in real money. Pound sterling = true master race but $40? Jeeze your Internet company's strangle you guys over there, my tvio box, phone and Internet only cost me -ú30 You won't need top-of-the-line. An average gaming-capable off-the-shelf rig will run the engine they want to use, just fine. You don't need to have a 3000 quid liquid-cooled uberbox. A $500 Samsung will work just fine. Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 163	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:45:00 - [57] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. My interwebs are free. Not everyone has to pay an arm and a leg for internet. But thatGÇÖs beside the point, while probably 99.9 % of forum goers own a PC, how many of them own one that can be used for gaming? My laptop can handle Skyrim with high settings but I doubt it could ever handle EVE for example. And in 2036 when Legion is finally released for Beta testing, my laptop is long gone. I have never proto stomped but now that DUST 514 is dead I can do it without remorse!! 285 million ISK to go.
Jarod Garamonde Jr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 70	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:48:00 - [58] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. My interwebs are free. Not everyone has to pay an arm and a leg for internet. But thatGÇÖs beside the point, while probably 99.9 % of forum goers own a PC, how many of them own one that can be used for gaming? My laptop can handle Skyrim with high settings but I doubt it could ever handle EVE for example. And in 2036 when Legion is finally released for Beta testing, my laptop is long gone. My PC overheats in under 5 minutes when trying to run Skyrim at max settings. Back it off to "75%", and everything works perfectly. At max graphical settings, EVE will permarun without going so much as a single degree over normal operating temp. And guess what? It's a $500 Samsung. Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 63	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:51:00 - [59] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Ender Storm wrote: PS3 has hacks too... but yeah, lets close eyes on that... Link Pls. of a WORKING method, not some sub-shamanic procedure ( you know,like fixing x-box360 with a pile of glue and other ** you find on youtube.) cause, you know, i can find a LOT of AIM,TRIG bot (that are worse than aimbot, since CCP is using a Hit-detect weapon system, hope that i don't need to tell you why) and wall hack for every FPS/MMOFPS for PC. If you talking about lag switching you know that isn't useful on this type of game. That way i choose this game, cause server side DMG calc mean lag switch is futile. I can't play a game where may death count when people lag the ** out of me Sad to say, it was ccp that choose to have crappy framerate. yeah sure i will post a link to cheats and haks.... lol Do a quick google search for cod ps3 hacks and you will find them yourself. I myself and some friends saw hacks on CoD Ghosts short after release on the PS3. Hacks exist everywhere. Have to chose games that try to counter them and have a low occurency, thats all. On any platform.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 219	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:56:00 - [60] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. What you believe or don't believe is of no concern to me, and has absolutely ZERO impact upon my decision.

Jarod Garamonde Jr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:00:00 - [61] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. What you believe or don't believe is of no concern to me, and has absolutely ZERO impact upon my decision. Seriously.... stop lying. You own a bloody PC. If you don't want to use the damn thing for gaming, just freaking say so. Don't tell people you don't have one and act like that's a reasonable excuse to stay angry. You're not reading and posting on these forums from a smartphone, either. Don't even try to give me that. Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
Soozu 5o1st 190	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:08:00 - [62] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. I have a new $3000 desktop, 3 - 40" flat screen TVs set up side by side, an Xbox 360, and 2 - PS3s with a $100 / month internet service. Movies get played in the middle as does XBOX. Internet usually gets tossed left, right side is PS3 as is the far left when a friend stops by and plays DUST with me. My setup is already gold, but PS4 will be purchased when game come out. (was waiting for DUST to be honest) Screw not having a PC buddy, I have one and I wouldn't touch CCP on my PC with a ten foot pole. I don't play games on a PC. Period. PC = work and internets Consoles = Games Believe it buddy.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2724	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:12:00 - [63] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that **** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread. I'll bite here. If CCP puts a similar amount of effort into hack detection that companies like Valve do for TF2 or CS:GO - then aimbots will generally get banned within a few hours. Aimbot is too noticeable and too invasive not to get eventually noticed. If CCP permabans any account using hacks, then legitimate people will not risk their SP/AUR on hacking. Its a F2P game though and there will be hackers no doubt, I wouldn't surprised if there are hackers right now on the PS3 version (just because its harder doesn't mean its impossible), So I don't know what a trig bot is... is that like rapid firing single pull and burst pull weapons? If so, ** we've got tons of peeps with turbo controllers... is there, functionally, a difference? Good game design on RoF limits is how they've dealt with turbo controllers in the past, I don't see how that would work any differently. Wallhacks? Well that is definitely a legitimate concern as well, one that is much more difficult to detect. However, at the very least we have the tacnet and active scanning, so I would almost say we have built in wallhacks already. The only people who will truly suffer at highly dampened and cloaked scouts. Hacking is definitely a serious concern, but I do believe the persistance RPGish nature of the game should help a bit in that regard as well. We can always set the meta level of our matches above what a new person can get into, there will be some hackers that will grinds for 20-40 hours to get into higher level matches before they start hacking but that's definitely going to make them fewer and further between. TL:DR - with good software solutions and design implementations it will be possible to mitigate hacking. Its up to CCP to make that happen though of course.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1650	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:14:00 - [64] - Quote Could play a mirage of games on my rig now. But No way I'm gonna say that Consoles don't get the best exclusives. PC get better FPS games, but then in that is marred by the damn hackers. (looking at you BF) They got sites dedicated to being a douche with aim bots, or better yet the more undetectable TRIGGER BOTS. Btw if you use trigger bots.. How bad does your life suck to have to use it? "But PC HAS BIGGER LIBRARY OF GAMES" yeah. what kind of games? The 8bit indie's or the korean mmo's? No thanks. Last is EVE online. Not a selling point for making PC look elite. just saying.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 863	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:44:00 - [65] - Quote Already have a PC. I use it for work and tax purposes. No game will ever touch it.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3119	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:49:00 - [66] - Quote Have more than one nice computer already. Could easily walk out the door and buy a top of the line gaming rig right now. But I don't want to play games on a PC. Get that through your head. It's a conscious decision based on any number of valid reasons, both objective and personal. So stop trying to convince me. o7 I'm out. See you on the other side. psn: bobswerski
Jarod Garamonde Jr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 73	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:59:00 - [67] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Have more than one nice computer already. Could easily walk out the door and buy a top of the line gaming rig right now. But I don't want to play games on a PC. Get that through your head. It's a conscious decision based on any number of valid reasons, both objective and personal. So stop trying to convince me. Nobody's trying to convince you of anything but STFU'ing. Just leave if you don't want to be here. Full stop. Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 222	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:00:00 - [68] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. What you believe or don't believe is of no concern to me, and has absolutely ZERO impact upon my decision. Seriously.... stop lying. You own a bloody PC. If you don't want to use the damn thing for gaming, just freaking say so. Don't tell people you don't have one and act like that's a reasonable excuse to stay angry. You're not reading and posting on these forums from a smartphone, either. Don't even try to give me that. Again, believe me or not. I don't care, and it won't change my decision. (fyi, I'm posting from work, and from a tablet at home so....)
Jarod Garamonde Jr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 73	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:00:00 - [69] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Already have a PC. I use it for work and tax purposes. No game will ever touch it. Great. Have fun not playing DUST anymore when PS3 shuts down for good. Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 63	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:00:00 - [70] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: "But PC HAS BIGGER LIBRARY OF GAMES" yeah. what kind of games? The 8bit indie's or the korean mmo's? No thanks. Most AAA games get released on PC as well. GTA, I really dotn care about, but I have seen modded GTA IV screens / videos that blow gta V out of the water, and GTA V is comming anyway for those that are into that kinda of games. Not to mention games that are more "at home" in pc's, like the myriad of MMO's, strategy games and simulation games, as pretty much the majority of FPS's that matter that are on consoles are also on the PC. Also, theres a lot of F2P to go thru, like Warthunder, World of Tanks, Hawken, Blacklight (100x better than CoD if you ask me). Consoles are great too, but PC is the better platform. I play on both, had a good time playing Last of Us. No need to chose one over another. But I ogtta say I spend a lot less and get a lot more out of an open system like the PC's than with a locked PS3.

Jarod Garamonde Jr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 73	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:01:00 - [71] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. What you believe or don't believe is of no concern to me, and has absolutely ZERO impact upon my decision. Seriously.... stop lying. You own a bloody PC. If you don't want to use the damn thing for gaming, just freaking say so. Don't tell people you don't have one and act like that's a reasonable excuse to stay angry. You're not reading and posting on these forums from a smartphone, either. Don't even try to give me that. Again, believe me or not. I don't care, and it won't change my decision. I don't want to change your bloody decision. I want you to grow up and stop trying to tear the community to the ground as you walk out. Just walk out, now, with whatever dignity you have left. Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 63	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:02:00 - [72] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: Already have a PC. I use it for work and tax purposes. No game will ever touch it. Great. Have fun not playing DUST anymore when PS3 shuts down for good. To be fair, PS3 is a nice Netflix box and bluray player.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 863	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:05:00 - [73] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: Already have a PC. I use it for work and tax purposes. No game will ever touch it. Great. Have fun not playing DUST anymore when PS3 shuts down for good. LOL! I had fun not playing much Dust when it was on console. Your post's grade is FAIL!
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2726	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:07:00 - [74] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: "But PC HAS BIGGER LIBRARY OF GAMES" yeah. what kind of games? The 8bit indie's or the korean mmo's? No thanks. http://store.steampowered.com/
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 222	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:08:00 - [75] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I'm still completely refusing to believe that none of you own a PC. You really expect me to believe that you pay $40 a month for an internet connection just to play console games and have Netflix? And that you post on the forums from your smartphone? Sorry, no. Don't buy it. Lame excuse. What you believe or don't believe is of no concern to me, and has absolutely ZERO impact upon my decision. Seriously.... stop lying. You own a bloody PC. If you don't want to use the damn thing for gaming, just freaking say so. Don't tell people you don't have one and act like that's a reasonable excuse to stay angry. You're not reading and posting on these forums from a smartphone, either. Don't even try to give me that. Again, believe me or not. I don't care, and it won't change my decision. I don't want to change your bloody decision. I want you to grow up and stop trying to tear the community to the ground as you walk out. Just walk out, now, with whatever dignity you have left. F*ck you, I'll continue to post on these forums until I tire of trolling pussies like you, or until I get banned, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 23	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:35:00 - [76] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: yeah sure i will post a link to cheats and haks.... lol Do a quick google search for cod ps3 hacks and you will find them yourself. I myself and some friends saw hacks on CoD Ghosts short after release on the PS3. Hacks exist everywhere. Have to chose games that try to counter them and have a low occurency, thats all. On any platform. Bullshit, all i hear is excuse. IF they are so easy to find and proved working, posting it was prove to your statement i can post Hack and Cheat for the major FPS on PC, all you need is simply google it and watch the in action. Stop trying to bullshitting me, like i said in the first phrase, i'm an OLD VET FPS player. I can remember people going Matrix style with a Railgun in Q3 Arena and doing all Headshot. i switched to console FPS simply 'cause people are on equal playground. And everyone saying different is simply lying. If you want to tell me that a PC is superior to a console performance wise, yeah that can be true to a certain degree. I hope you understand that CCPChina have to nerf the TAC AR in to oblivion 'cause they can't make the recognize a Mod controller over a fast tapping
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 559	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:46:00 - [77] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I prefer console. I already have a PC. I use it to code and do random school projects. Console is where my entertainment is at. Exactly pcs are for work and consoles are for games.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 228	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:48:00 - [78] - Quote I just want to know one thing: How much support can we expect for Dust moving forward (if any), and for how long?
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1569	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:50:00 - [79] - Quote I am going to definitely stop spending money on Dust 514 but I'm not saving for PC I'm saving for games on my PS4. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2729	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:51:00 - [80] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Joel II X wrote: I prefer console. I already have a PC. I use it to code and do random school projects. Console is where my entertainment is at. Exactly pcs are for work and consoles are for games. hm... that's so odd... i've logged thousands of hours of game time on my PC. A lot of that time is playing MMORPGs sure, but i've put in hundreds of hours on games that were also released on consoles (Dark Souls, Assassin's Creed, Portal, etc).

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2768	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:56:00 - [81] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Surt gods end wrote: "But PC HAS BIGGER LIBRARY OF GAMES" yeah. what kind of games? The 8bit indie's or the korean mmo's? No thanks. http://store.steampowered.com/ Oh Dear Look! Actua Soccer! Omg I might still have its case somewhere buried next to my "olivetti program 101" Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2213	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:57:00 - [82] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Joel II X wrote: I prefer console. I already have a PC. I use it to code and do random school projects. Console is where my entertainment is at. Exactly pcs are for work and consoles are for games. It's interesting to see how tightly people cling to their dying beliefs.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1651	Posted - 2014.05.05 16:03:00 - [83] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Surt gods end wrote: "But PC HAS BIGGER LIBRARY OF GAMES" yeah. what kind of games? The 8bit indie's or the korean mmo's? No thanks. http://store.steampowered.com/ Oh Dear Look! Actua Soccer! Omg I might still have its case somewhere buried next to my "olivetti program 101" LOL Funny thing is I do check steam store every morning. and I usually respond with a "meh" Prototype 2 is killing it in top sellers. HOW THE HELL?! Prototype 1 if far better then 2. Own it on for my rig.
Csikszent Mihalyi Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 261	Posted - 2014.05.05 16:37:00 - [84] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread. Hacking is a real concern, but I'd like to add a few thoughts about that: 1) Generally the problem is exaggerated. Despite playing FPS for more than a decade, I have only encountered a handful of obvious cheaters. I have had my suspicions in some other cases yes, but I have been called a cheater myself a hundred times more than that, so I have learned to take this with a large grain of salt. People tend to go batshit if they encounter a real cheater on a pub, so those memories stick in their brains and mesh with their more common suspicious until it becomes "the game is riddled with cheaters" in their mind. Ultimately it's not that much of a big deal to change servers when you encounter an obvious hacker. There can be non-obvious cheaters, but if they are non-obvious it also means that they don't ruin the gameplay experience for everyone else. 2) Good anti-cheat tools actually work, eventually you are going to get busted. Of course you can make a new account, but building a legacy in a game with long-term progression by cheating is going to be near impossible. 3) If you are concerned about unbalancing the economy by exploiting new accounts with cheats to make a quick buck, then think about this: If the best player in the world creates a new account to stomp some newbs, would he become filthy rich? Of course not. Time investment is far more significant in this game than performance, so the harm that can be caused by hacking newbie accounts is negligible. I know a lot of people think that hackers run rampant on the PC, but that hasn't stopped the PC from being the platform of choice for the most competitive shooters in the world. Ultimately this is far more a problem of perception than reality. Now, regarding uneven playing fields: First of all, this problem again is exaggerated. When you are playing on the absolute top-level, then players like to optimise even the tiniest of factor to gain that miniscule edge over their competition. But ultimately, your comfort with your tools is a much bigger factor than a slightly more reactive keyboard, or five more frames per second. It's true that there are many factors which can negatively impact your experience if you neglect it completely, but getting to a competitive standard is neither difficult nor expensive. Especially these days where you can get excellent gaming equipment for cheap, e.g.: One of the better gaming mice for 30 bucks (you can also get perfectly suitable gaming mice for $20, but I haven't tested those) A perfect mouse pad for 15 bucks (or $6 for a classic favourite amongst top players) Keyboard really doesn't matter, it's far more important that you got a comfortable desk and chair... oh and don't believe all the dumb marketing speech ("programmable", "macros", "supermegafancyswitches" etc). That's not what actually good players buy such equipment for, but for its ergonomy and basic functionality. E.g. all I ever use for my mice are the basic mouse drivers that come with the operating system, which hasn't stopped me from playing on a fairly high competitive level in the past. The less frills, the better. The main reason pro gamers play with all that fancy equipment is that they are getting sponsored to do so, not because they really have to. More importantly, all of this is also true for console gaming. Some TVs are better than others, some headphones are better than others, some couches are more comfortable than others, and finally you can even use a mouse and keyboard in DUST (not to mention custom controllers, with stuff like rapid fire buttons and macros). A truly even playing field is a myth, even on a console.
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 93	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:00:00 - [85] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Half of these rejects can't even pay their cell phone bill, and the other half use their welfare check for weed. You might be preaching on deaf ears.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 549	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:15:00 - [86] - Quote not sure why ccp cant have dust and legion have the same exact content, i mean look at ffxiv for an example. Square Enix has 3 different versions of the game PC, Ps3, and Ps4, and all three of these versions have the same exact features , not to mention that all three of these platforms are connected together so the console players play together with the pc players and there is no PC Master race attitudes in that game at all. so my question is if Square can do it why is it that CCP cant?
inohahna mamotto Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:24:00 - [87] - Quote Nstomper wrote: not sure why ccp cant have dust and legion have the same exact content, i mean look at ffxiv for an example. Square Enix has 3 different versions of the game PC, Ps3, and Ps4, and all three of these versions have the same exact features , not to mention that all three of these platforms are connected together so the console players play together with the pc players and there is no PC Master race attitudes in that game at all. so my question is if Square can do it why is it that CCP cant? i have honestly been wondering about that too
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 64	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:16:00 - [88] - Quote inohahna mamotto wrote: Nstomper wrote: not sure why ccp cant have dust and legion have the same exact content, i mean look at ffxiv for an example. Square Enix has 3 different versions of the game PC, Ps3, and Ps4, and all three of these versions have the same exact features , not to mention that all three of these platforms are connected together so the console players play together with the pc players and there is no PC Master race attitudes in that game at all. so my question is if Square can do it why is it that CCP cant? i have honestly been wondering about that too I dont know FFXIV, its not my cup of tea, but its seems like an RPG, might me more lax on response time than a shooter, but I dont think that might be the reason. I would bet maintaining the same game, especially one that is still in development (pretty much beta) would be a nightmare to do on multiple platforms. Also the "controler woes" probably dosent play the same role as in the FPs world, just see how much people cry about kbm vs ds3. FF probably is a well packaged and defined game, with time to mature before hiting the market, with a bigger budget and financial support from its developer/publisher. CCP runs pretty much alone on its own money. finally, if it was that easy, it woud be common place, wich it isnt.
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 28	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:52:00 - [89] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: PS3 has hacks too... but yeah, lets close eyes on that... Well yeah, but its not about where the hacks are available, it's where the hackers PREFER TO PLAY. They will fool around and try to grief some console players of course, but they'd rather play on their pc's. And I guess they will sell them to other players, but I would guess 99% of the people that know how to find and set up a hack for a console game are probably PC gamers primarily. Hacks for PC games are always going to be made faster, and by many more people. To be honest, I prefer the cheat protection pc developers are going to have for their games over whatever the console makers are going to use, just not sure CCP is up to the task of protecting legitimate legion players from hackers on pc given the history of bug fixes in dust.
Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 5004	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:00:00 - [90] - Quote Cons: I'll now have to keep both a PC and a console up to date- some of the best series are console only. Final Fantasy, for instance.

Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5195	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:14:00 - [91] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread. Good post to put here. I no longer play Planetside 2 in part because of what you said here. The amount of hackers in that game is unbelievable. Their GMs can't even come close to keeping up with them all. As well, everyone is assholes to each other, and they take that ** outside the game on a constant basis. When I was playing the game with The Enclave, one time when we'd been beating up Goonswarm's P2 division for about an hour, they did a DDoS on the small server we were using for our website and TeamSpeak 3 server. As soon as our comms were down they tried to do this big push back out of their "safe zone". As another example, there was a bug in the game for a while that involved a larger group of APCs, a bunch of mines, and some well-placed C4. When you lit the whole thing off, it would DC everyone in the installation where you did it. I don't think I need to tell you how many times that one got thrown around. TEST pretty much made themselves famous for it. Yeah people tend to forget about Hack and ** for Christ sake, CCP can't even stop GJR from farming like ON A FORUM. Thats not a good presentation card The key difference is that Dust 514 uses server-side hit detection rather than client-side like virtually every other shooter. This means that client-side means of spoofing such as lag-switches and aimbots won't work because they only effect your client and not the server. Yes, I'm sorry all you guys that say you get killed in Dust because of hacks, but you can' actually hack hit detection in a game when it's being done by a server you don't have control over.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 6	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:18:00 - [92] - Quote my computer is for work i play games on my playstation battlefield veteran but still a noob in this world
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 66	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:28:00 - [93] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Cons: I'll now have to keep both a PC and a console up to date- some of the best series are console only. Final Fantasy, for instance. I would say having both systems is a pro in itself. The added cost might be a con, if you live on limited funds. The maneintance, really, , both PS and PC's pretty much maintain themselves. Just dont go to pron sites to get viruses. And regarding jacking concerns, personal experiences might vary, but in my personal experience they are rare nowadays when the companies care about their games. Thats obviously less true with CoD/BF games where the company behind them is more interessed in pushing the next tittle than maintaining the old.
Cosgar 9270	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:45:00 - [94] - Quote Why get a PC just for more of CCP's pipe dream? There's tons of better PC games out there. Hell, it's almost not worth getting a PC at this point unless you're into modding. Cross platformng is going to be a thing in the near future. Call 1-800-345-SONY, press 2, then 2 again to get your money back if you bought AUR in the past 90 days.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 66	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:53:00 - [95] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Why get a PC just for more of CCP's pipe dream? There's tons of better PC games out there. Hell, it's almost not worth getting a PC at this point unless you're into modding. Cross platformng is going to be a thing in the near future. LOL? Why it would not be worth getting a new PC? It is as worth as getting a new PS4 (wich at this point has almost no games, better get it in a year or so). Sure, I agree that buying a new system just for 1 game isnt the best option, but an intelligent person would, if getting a new system, try other games I assume, its only natural. As you yourself said, "There's tons of better PC games out there". Yes, there is. Modding is a big pro on PC, but not the only one, theres entire genres that thrive mainly on PC if you are into that types of games, like strategy, mobas (hate them but they are big), simulation, mmo's. Sure, they may be not everyones cup of tea, but they exist and cater to many.
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 434	Posted - 2014.05.06 12:05:00 - [96] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: when it comes to FPS console>PC Absolutely incorrect. Chillin, waitin on Legion. Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1457	Posted - 2014.05.06 12:19:00 - [97] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: when it comes to FPS console>PC Absolutely incorrect. Depends on the factors you are measuring. If you are going for realistic mechanics and hardware balance between players, console>PC. If you are going for the fastest turn speeds, unrealistic directional changes, unfeasible aim accuracy, higher framerates and greater graphics potential, PC>console. It just depends on what you are looking for. We are the 514, and we will not forget RIP Dust
noob cavman Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1510	Posted - 2014.05.06 12:44:00 - [98] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why get a PC just for more of CCP's pipe dream? There's tons of better PC games out there. Hell, it's almost not worth getting a PC at this point unless you're into modding. Cross platformng is going to be a thing in the near future. LOL? Why it would not be worth getting a new PC? It is as worth as getting a new PS4 (wich at this point has almost no games, better get it in a year or so). Sure, I agree that buying a new system just for 1 game isnt the best option, but an intelligent person would, if getting a new system, try other games I assume, its only natural. As you yourself said, "There's tons of better PC games out there". Yes, there is. Modding is a big pro on PC, but not the only one, theres entire genres that thrive mainly on PC if you are into that types of games, like strategy, mobas (hate them but they are big), simulation, mmo's. Sure, they may be not everyones cup of tea, but they exist and cater to many. Totally agree about the mod community's most games have which make good games awesome and turn games like skyrim into visual monsters. I have pc ( built mostly for my art hobbies and 3d modelling and no its not a mac) but i play just single player games on it. For multi player I turn to my ps3 and ps4. I cant give up my controller. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Psn id marko_blues
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 33	Posted - 2014.05.06 12:57:00 - [99] - Quote Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: [quote=Jastaddd Death seeker][quote=Phoenix 85]Here you go plebs Keyboard really doesn't matter, it's far more important that you got a comfortable desk and chair... oh and don't believe all the dumb marketing speech ("programmable", "macros", "supermegafancyswitches" etc). That's not what actually good players buy such equipment for, but for its ergonomy and basic functionality. E.g. all I ever use for my mice are the basic mouse drivers that come with the operating system, which hasn't stopped me from playing on a fairly high competitive level in the past. The less frills, the better. The main reason pro gamers play with all that fancy equipment is that they are getting sponsored to do so, not because they really have to. More importantly, all of this is also true for console gaming. Some TVs are better than others, some headphones are better than others, some couches are more comfortable than others, and finally you can even use a mouse and keyboard in DUST (not to mention custom controllers, with stuff like rapid fire buttons and macros). A truly even playing field is a myth, even on a console. Since i'm in a hurry now i promise i expand my reply later Keybord matter too, trust me. And i know because i've tried it once (in realty a program to perform action simulating a macro, there weren't macro keyboard back then) and do the now forgotten practice of Rocket-Jump by pressing a single button (Aim down-JUMP-Shot) than have to actually aim down with your mouse and timing the Fire and the Jump.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 67	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:14:00 - [100] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: when it comes to FPS console>PC Absolutely incorrect. Depends on the factors you are measuring. If you are going for realistic mechanics and hardware balance between players, console>PC. If you are going for the fastest turn speeds, unrealistic directional changes, unfeasible aim accuracy, higher framerates and greater graphics potential, PC>console. It just depends on what you are looking for. TIL consoles are realistic.

tastzlike chicken Rogue Spades 259	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:18:00 - [101] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread. Yup. Those are the games I played and those are the reasons I came to consoles. I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2504	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:51:00 - [102] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Joel II X wrote: I prefer console. I already have a PC. I use it to code and do random school projects. Console is where my entertainment is at. Exactly pcs are for work and consoles are for games. It's interesting to see how tightly people cling to their dying beliefs. PC is for general use, although you COULD specialize it. I use it for work because I can't do it on a console lol and I don't like gaming in PC in general. Hell, I prefer Minecraft in the PS3 rather than PC despite being an inferior version.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 181	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:02:00 - [103] - Quote My preferences for console include: The much larger online community - even if it is mostly childish tantrum raging. It's the depth of competition and number of targets. Ease of use and disposability. 75% of my time spent on a console is covered under a warranty. If ** goes sour, I can send it off and get a new/refurbished one. I can even jump on Craigslist and buy a ready-to-use unit from a crackhead without *** up my rent money to keep me running in the meantime. As previously discussed, the ability to lay on the couch and relax away from the box that owns my employed soul. The standardization of the competition. Yes, hacks are prevalent on all platforms. More so on PC. I like being able to know that wins and losses are less often decided by input method and more by luck and skill. Affordability and flexibility. As a parent of little future gamers, it's nice to be able to pick up a copy of some irrelevant kids' game for $10 and play alongside them and experience it with them. Then, put them to bed and get ** faced and play with my homedudes and slay some Aussie kids. PC does provide the facilities for much better software, but it's just not as convenient. That convenience is huge - and a huge factor, as well. GG, everybody. Best of luck to all of my One-Armed Bandits, my homies in SAM-MIK, and all the Logis in the Funzone.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 67	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:15:00 - [104] - Quote Yeah I agree that consoles are nicer on the living room, especially if you use it for socialization with visitors / family. Not saying the same isnt possible with PC's, bur they arent as convenient. Perhaps future Steam boxes change that, but thats not yet a thing. Still, I like having my man cave, where I can withdrawn from the world and concentrate for a few hours without worrying about whats going on in the house, whos crossing my livingroom, letting my wife watch her netflix, etc. I think the "standardization" of competition argument is somewhat exaggerated. There will be people with advantages in all platforms, but that really dosent mean they will be able to seize the advantage. Consoles have all sorts of different input methods as well, cheap and accessible. If they these adapttions are good or not on console comes down to how well you adjust to it, how well you can levarage that advantage. Some people will say its gold, others will say its crap. Its like saying, on the PC, a high mega super DPI mouse will give you an immediate advantage. I disagree, and I play on a med, regular DPI mouse that isnt even a gamer mouse without problems.
Marc Rime 383	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:38:00 - [105] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Uhm, just how much do you think the average player spends on aurum in one year? Besides, some people (me included) just prefer playing on a console.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:59:00 - [106] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Hey, PC dumbfuck, there's A LOT BETTER REASONS TO BUY A PC THEN LEGION. And I still didn't, wonder why? Stop being a rich white boy prick and never ask people to buy something expensive again to keep up, elitist jerk.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 69	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:03:00 - [107] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Hey, PC dumbfuck, there's A LOT BETTER REASONS TO BUY A PC THEN LEGION. And I still didn't, wonder why? Stop being a rich white boy prick and never ask people to buy something expensive again to keep up, elitist jerk. If a PC is expensive, so is the PS4.
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 161	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:03:00 - [108] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I got out of pc gaming back in the mid 2000. And I'm glad I did. It's perhaps the costliest investment I've ever made. No one game is worth going back to pc. And a $300 rig will not run Legion in its full potential. If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. A lot of the newer games are starting to push graphics to the next level. Every owner put there who's built their own pc's is a essential a whole different system. It's like having hundreds of different PlayStations out there and none of them are the same. And all the variations of software, drivers, etc..it's no wonder pc games get contant bug issues. But it's the hardware upgrades in the long term that gets you. There's a reason why pc games have a "recommended" spec for your pc. Because if you don't have that. You're not running smooth. Legion needs to hit the PS4 sooner than later. There's a lot of horsepower under that hood that can handle Legion. The later CCP ports this over to PS4 means that they'll have spent less time knowing the system to max it's potential. PC's aren't worth one game.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:04:00 - [109] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Hey, PC dumbfuck, there's A LOT BETTER REASONS TO BUY A PC THEN LEGION. And I still didn't, wonder why? Stop being a rich white boy prick and never ask people to buy something expensive again to keep up, elitist jerk. If a PC is expensive, so is the PS4. PS4 = 400 Decent PC = 800 Or you can waste money, get a cheap PC that'll be dated in a few years, and torture yourself. I think you honestly believe your own crap, sad.
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 161	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:24:00 - [110] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ender Storm wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Hey, PC dumbfuck, there's A LOT BETTER REASONS TO BUY A PC THEN LEGION. And I still didn't, wonder why? Stop being a rich white boy prick and never ask people to buy something expensive again to keep up, elitist jerk. If a PC is expensive, so is the PS4. PS4 = 400 Decent PC = 800 Or you can waste money, get a cheap PC that'll be dated in a few years, and torture yourself. I think you honestly believe your own crap, sad. This.

Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 69	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:50:00 - [111] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I got out of pc gaming back in the mid 2000. And I'm glad I did. It's perhaps the costliest investment I've ever made. No one game is worth going back to pc. And a $300 rig will not run Legion in its full potential. If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. A lot of the newer games are starting to push graphics to the next level. Every owner out there who's built their own pc is a essentially a whole different system. It's like having hundreds of different PlayStations out there and none of them are the same. And all the variations of software, drivers, etc..it's no wonder pc games get contant bug issues. But it's the hardware upgrades in the long term that gets you. There's a reason why pc games have a "recommended" spec for your pc. Because if you don't have that. You're not running smooth. Legion needs to hit the PS4 sooner than later. There's a lot of horsepower under that hood that can handle Legion. The later CCP ports this over to PS4 means that they'll have spent less time knowing the system to max it's potential. PC's aren't worth one game. I hope you are aware that a PS4 is no better than a $600 PC, that a PS4 wont play a game on its maximum settings, and that a PS4 is non upgradable.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 69	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:54:00 - [112] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ender Storm wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Hey, PC dumbfuck, there's A LOT BETTER REASONS TO BUY A PC THEN LEGION. And I still didn't, wonder why? Stop being a rich white boy prick and never ask people to buy something expensive again to keep up, elitist jerk. If a PC is expensive, so is the PS4. PS4 = 400 Decent PC = 800 Or you can waste money, get a cheap PC that'll be dated in a few years, and torture yourself. I think you honestly believe your own crap, sad. This. Here you go, about $400 to beat a PS4, if dot already own a kbm. if not add some $60 more. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3EPNf
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 161	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:15:00 - [113] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I got out of pc gaming back in the mid 2000. And I'm glad I did. It's perhaps the costliest investment I've ever made. No one game is worth going back to pc. And a $300 rig will not run Legion in its full potential. If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. A lot of the newer games are starting to push graphics to the next level. Every owner out there who's built their own pc is a essentially a whole different system. It's like having hundreds of different PlayStations out there and none of them are the same. And all the variations of software, drivers, etc..it's no wonder pc games get contant bug issues. But it's the hardware upgrades in the long term that gets you. There's a reason why pc games have a "recommended" spec for your pc. Because if you don't have that. You're not running smooth. Legion needs to hit the PS4 sooner than later. There's a lot of horsepower under that hood that can handle Legion. The later CCP ports this over to PS4 means that they'll have spent less time knowing the system to max it's potential. PC's aren't worth one game. I hope you are aware that a PS4 is no better than a $600 PC, that a PS4 wont play a game on its maximum settings, and that a PS4 is non upgradable. I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2751	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:18:00 - [114] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen. Better for the long run? You know we're in 'the long run' of the PS3 right?
Void Echo Total Extinction 2527	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:19:00 - [115] - Quote I will never play an FPS on PC. If i want to play an FPS il stick to consoles. Plus i dont have any friends on PC so it would basically be nothing lost nothing gained. Closed Beta Vet. Dust Bunnie to the end. Someone has to stay on the sinking ship till everyone is safe. :P
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 69	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:27:00 - [116] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I got out of pc gaming back in the mid 2000. And I'm glad I did. It's perhaps the costliest investment I've ever made. No one game is worth going back to pc. And a $300 rig will not run Legion in its full potential. If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. A lot of the newer games are starting to push graphics to the next level. Every owner out there who's built their own pc is a essentially a whole different system. It's like having hundreds of different PlayStations out there and none of them are the same. And all the variations of software, drivers, etc..it's no wonder pc games get contant bug issues. But it's the hardware upgrades in the long term that gets you. There's a reason why pc games have a "recommended" spec for your pc. Because if you don't have that. You're not running smooth. Legion needs to hit the PS4 sooner than later. There's a lot of horsepower under that hood that can handle Legion. The later CCP ports this over to PS4 means that they'll have spent less time knowing the system to max it's potential. PC's aren't worth one game. I hope you are aware that a PS4 is no better than a $600 PC, that a PS4 wont play a game on its maximum settings, and that a PS4 is non upgradable. I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen. Upgrading the internals is a choice. You really dont need to, its an option. Like, my gpu GTX 570 has already 2 years in it, and I know it still has power in it to continue going. It wont run at max some games, but many games do run in max and I have no complaints about it. My CPU is still an E8400. Again no complaints over it, and the feel to upgrade to an i5 or i7 is purelly a buy desire, not a necessity. Ram, my Ram is only 4gb, it runs things ok, I could use an ram upgrade, but chose not and bling my PC next year no a net build, more out of a desire for a new toy than out of necessity. nd the good thing is that half my parts will carry over.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 70	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:34:00 - [117] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen. Better for the long run? You know we're in 'the long run' of the PS3 right? Jake Diesel wrote: If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. Why? When a PC version on medium graphics is already better than the PS4 in many cases today, would you HAVE to run every game on maximum graphics? You know the PS4 can't render in 1080p? It has to render in 720p and upscale that to your TVs native resolution. Even though it has low level API access (something PCs don't have yet) it still can't keep up with a mid range PC. In 3-4 more years people are gonna be complaining about the PS4 like they are complaining about the PS3... Yeah, and very soon the low level API will be common on PC, as the API isnt exclusive to the consoles. AMD has mantle already on their new cards, and Microsoft is due to release the new directX API wich will make use as well of low level API's, thus widening even more the gap as any application coded with DX will have the ability to use that boost, aka it will probablt be manufacturer independant.
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 40	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:43:00 - [118] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Here you go, about $400 to beat a PS4, if not already own a kbm. if not add some $60 more. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3EPNf for other base builds http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/builds Of course, you can bling a build to oblivion if you hav emoney for it to extract every bit of detail, but if you want the Ps4 experience, this will sufice. I love peole that read what they link!!! in your second Link Revision 3! A small form factor Home Theater PC ideal for light gaming, oldschool gaming, console emulators, streaming, and making use of Steam's In-Home Streaming feature (currently in beta). Please note: this is not designed as a primary gaming system, and is not built like one. The small case, built-in PSU, and APU drastically limit upgrade potential, and the performance is below that of the next-gen consoles. However, it is capable of modern games and it is much stronger than the last-gen consoles.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 285	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:49:00 - [119] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread.
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 162	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:55:00 - [120] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen. Better for the long run? You know we're in 'the long run' of the PS3 right? Jake Diesel wrote: If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. Why? When a PC version on medium graphics is already better than the PS4 in many cases today, would you HAVE to run every game on maximum graphics? You know the PS4 can't render in 1080p? It has to render in 720p and upscale that to your TVs native resolution. Even though it has low level API access (something PCs don't have yet) it still can't keep up with a mid range PC. In 3-4 more years people are gonna be complaining about the PS4 like they are complaining about the PS3... Actually, the max resolution I would even care for would be 1080p. And where exactly are you getting your info regarding "rendering" at 720p and upscaling? When pretty much every developer, including Hideo Kojima of MGS Ground Zeroes stated that the PS4 "renders" in 1080p. Is there some secret pc lingo I don't know about where the term "render" means two different things?

Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 70	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:57:00 - [121] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Here you go, about $400 to beat a PS4, if not already own a kbm. if not add some $60 more. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3EPNf for other base builds http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/builds Of course, you can bling a build to oblivion if you hav emoney for it to extract every bit of detail, but if you want the Ps4 experience, this will sufice. I love peole that read what they link!!! in your second Link Revision 3! A small form factor Home Theater PC ideal for light gaming, oldschool gaming, console emulators, streaming, and making use of Steam's In-Home Streaming feature (currently in beta). Please note: this is not designed as a primary gaming system, and is not built like one. The small case, built-in PSU, and APU drastically limit upgrade potential, and the performance is below that of the next-gen consoles. However, it is capable of modern games and it is much stronger than the last-gen consoles. Wikis gonna be wikis. The last part of that paragraph is wrong, and the previous info is correct that an HTPC isnt for gaming. But hey, here is your medal (*=).
LUNATIC Pandora x Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:01:00 - [122] - Quote See you on PC!
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 71	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:14:00 - [123] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen. Better for the long run? You know we're in 'the long run' of the PS3 right? Jake Diesel wrote: If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. Why? When a PC version on medium graphics is already better than the PS4 in many cases today, would you HAVE to run every game on maximum graphics? You know the PS4 can't render in 1080p? It has to render in 720p and upscale that to your TVs native resolution. Even though it has low level API access (something PCs don't have yet) it still can't keep up with a mid range PC. In 3-4 more years people are gonna be complaining about the PS4 like they are complaining about the PS3... Actually, the max resolution I would even care for would be 1080p. And where exactly are you getting your info regarding "rendering" at 720p and upscaling? When pretty much every developer, including Hideo Kojima of MGS Ground Zeroes stated that the PS4 "renders" in 1080p. Is there some secret pc lingo I don't know about where the term "render" means two different things? I think the Ps4 can render stuff at 1080p, not all tittles suport it and there are reports of it not being consistent throughout a title, like diferences between single and multiplayers modes. They will have to seek a balance within the hardware. It will probably be high dependant on the developer, the quality of the graphics they want to show, and the framerate they want to maintain (30 or 60 fps).
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 162	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:56:00 - [124] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen. Better for the long run? You know we're in 'the long run' of the PS3 right? Jake Diesel wrote: If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. Why? When a PC version on medium graphics is already better than the PS4 in many cases today, would you HAVE to run every game on maximum graphics? You know the PS4 can't render in 1080p? It has to render in 720p and upscale that to your TVs native resolution. Even though it has low level API access (something PCs don't have yet) it still can't keep up with a mid range PC. In 3-4 more years people are gonna be complaining about the PS4 like they are complaining about the PS3... Actually, the max resolution I would even care for would be 1080p. And where exactly are you getting your info regarding "rendering" at 720p and upscaling? When pretty much every developer, including Hideo Kojima of MGS Ground Zeroes stated that the PS4 "renders" in 1080p. Is there some secret pc lingo I don't know about where the term "render" means two different things? I think the Ps4 can render stuff at 1080p, not all tittles suport it and there are reports of it not being consistent throughout a title, like diferences between single and multiplayers modes. They will have to seek a balance within the hardware. It will probably be high dependant on the developer, the quality of the graphics they want to show, and the framerate they want to maintain (30 or 60 fps). You're absolutely right on all. And I'm ok with that. Not many people realize the details behind graphics such as why it can run at 1080p and 60 frames. The strongest aspect of PS4 is that it's the same system every other PS4 user will have. With the only variation being the software. This means easier development in regards to bug fixes and optimization. Regardless of what pc's can achieve, there are games inbound on the PS4 that are truly amazing. Such as The Order 1888 and The Division. Even current games like Tomb Raider, BF4 (campaign), and Killzone Shadow fall. They all look amazing on PS4. Legion is not far off from any of these.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 71	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:15:00 - [125] - Quote I would say Legion falls far from these, hehe. Despite being EVE-related, the rhythm of the game is neither slow nor fast paced, it tried to be in between and it feels odd, especially with the bland maps with little variation. Legion will succeed if they revamp the game, with a renewed pace. If they simply port it to PC, it already falls short of many F2P tittles already present on the platform. I like the PS4, PS isnt my main gaming platform, but I like the games that come out with it. I will be getting it in the future, when its more mature, with a greater library and cheaper. Getting it now dosen't carry much advantage for me.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2764	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:24:00 - [126] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen. Better for the long run? You know we're in 'the long run' of the PS3 right? Jake Diesel wrote: If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. Why? When a PC version on medium graphics is already better than the PS4 in many cases today, would you HAVE to run every game on maximum graphics? You know the PS4 can't render in 1080p? It has to render in 720p and upscale that to your TVs native resolution. Even though it has low level API access (something PCs don't have yet) it still can't keep up with a mid range PC. In 3-4 more years people are gonna be complaining about the PS4 like they are complaining about the PS3... Actually, the max resolution I would even care for would be 1080p. And where exactly are you getting your info regarding "rendering" at 720p and upscaling? When pretty much every developer, including Hideo Kojima of MGS Ground Zeroes stated that the PS4 "renders" in 1080p. Is there some secret pc lingo I don't know about where the term "render" means two different things? I did check out the article, hope that's actually the case moving forward.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 285	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:27:00 - [127] - Quote I already own a ps4 and i can say that the games look beautiful and party chat is great ps3 should have it
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 277	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:32:00 - [128] - Quote Did you ever consider the RL money cost? PS4 - subscription & just buying it plus up keep & games. PC cost, plus subsccription, games & up-keep. Friends being lost on console. Then living costs etc. People aren't going to do it just for Legion nor will they stay long. Be realistic. In 10 years if you did both systems it'll add up enough to buy 2-3 used vehicles.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 3070	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:36:00 - [129] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Cons: we become PC gamers. Post of the day! Removed all hope with this post
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 966	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:46:00 - [130] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Cons: we become PC gamers. Eew.... Gross!

Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 71	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:48:00 - [131] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Did you ever consider the RL money cost? PS4 - subscription & just buying it plus up keep & games. PC cost, plus subsccription, games & up-keep. Friends being lost on console. Then living costs etc. People aren't going to do it just for Legion nor will they stay long. Be realistic. In 10 years if you did both systems it'll add up enough to buy 2-3 used vehicles. Well, you dont have subscriptions on PC, unless the games you play ask for it. Meanwhile, I think PS requires subscription to be able to play online (Plus). You get games with plus, true, but I think the moment you unsub Plus you lose access to the games. But speaking abouts costs, well, gaming is pretty much a hobby, perhaps not a healthy one, but it is. So better not think too much what you could buy with the game spent on electronic bits, and rather think about the enjoyment you pull out of that. Also, need to compare what you spend in the gaming and what you would spend in alternative activities. Like, 1 month of EVE subscription here where I live equal to a so-so meal at the shopping mall. I chose to pay for EVE.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 197	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:50:00 - [132] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Here you go, about $400 to beat a PS4, if not already own a kbm. if not add some $60 more. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3EPNf for other base builds http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/builds Of course, you can bling a build to oblivion if you hav emoney for it to extract every bit of detail, but if you want the Ps4 experience, this will sufice. So you like lying I see? First build: No price for harddrive (+$100) No bluray drive (+$50) No blurray movie software (+$50) No OS (+$100) NO KB/M (+$20) Case Fans (+$10) Hey right there is $330 you omitted from that build. OF course that PC is going to take 2-3 times more electricity as well. Now let me guess your response: Pirate windows Pirate blurray software (yes you have to have this, I own a blurray on my PC, there is no built-in software for it) You should already have a KB/M blah blah blah Also, that setup is not going to beat a Ps4 in anyway shape or form. Ps4 has nearly no overhead for an OS, games are actually "optimized" for one type of hardware(I know, PC guys don't understand optimization.) In 3-4 years that PS4 will still play all of the latest games, just like the PS3 plays a ton of games that a 7800 GTX will not anymore. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7984	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:52:00 - [133] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) lolWTF? Am I the only one with a Laptop these days? inb4 The Lock!
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 73	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:08:00 - [134] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: First build: No price for harddrive (+$100) No bluray drive (+$50) No blurray movie software (+$50) No OS (+$100) NO KB/M (+$20) Case Fans (+$10) Hey right there is $330 you omitted from that build. OF course that PC is going to take 2-3 times more electricity as well. Now let me guess your response: Pirate windows Pirate blurray software (yes you have to have this, I own a blurray on my PC, there is no built-in software for it) You should already have a KB/M blah blah blah Also, that setup is not going to beat a Ps4 in anyway shape or form. Ps4 has nearly no overhead for an OS, games are actually "optimized" for one type of hardware(I know, PC guys don't understand optimization.) In 3-4 years that PS4 will still play all of the latest games, just like the PS3 plays a ton of games that a 7800 GTX will not anymore. You can get a nice hardrive for $60. Add there, like I said, the kbm cost. Windows too. It will add about $200 in the end, true. But for the added utility of a PC over a PS, I dont mind, especially since many parts can last thru several builds. Why in the freaking world would you want a bluray drive, or worse, a bluray app on a gaming pc escapes me. The case comes packed already with fans. You cant compare a PS3 with a gpu that was available at the time, because when PS3 came out it was a freaking good machine, not a mid-level pc like the PS4. I believe also at the time the price was a lot stepier than the new version in todays values. Yeah, the PS4 is hyper optimized, using just about 50% of its ram for the OS http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/ The reason the consoles still run new games is that the games are held back (ops, "optimized") because of the old hardware that dosent evolve, while on PC they see releases with advanced graphics and more options to make things look pretier - if you want them too, because the quality of the game is in your hands.
Csikszent Mihalyi Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 266	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:14:00 - [135] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ender Storm wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Hey, PC dumbfuck, there's A LOT BETTER REASONS TO BUY A PC THEN LEGION. And I still didn't, wonder why? Stop being a rich white boy prick and never ask people to buy something expensive again to keep up, elitist jerk. If a PC is expensive, so is the PS4. PS4 = 400 Decent PC = 800 Or you can waste money, get a cheap PC that'll be dated in a few years, and torture yourself. I think you honestly believe your own crap, sad. 800 but upgradable and more utility and cheaper games. In the long run this may cost you less, but even if not, the difference is really not big enough to play the "rich boy" card. High end gaming is a luxury, no matter how you put it.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 74	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:20:00 - [136] - Quote Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ender Storm wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Hey, PC dumbfuck, there's A LOT BETTER REASONS TO BUY A PC THEN LEGION. And I still didn't, wonder why? Stop being a rich white boy prick and never ask people to buy something expensive again to keep up, elitist jerk. If a PC is expensive, so is the PS4. PS4 = 400 Decent PC = 800 Or you can waste money, get a cheap PC that'll be dated in a few years, and torture yourself. I think you honestly believe your own crap, sad. 800 but upgradable and more utility and cheaper games. In the long run this may cost you less, but even if not, the difference is really not big enough to play the "rich boy" card. High end gaming is a luxury, no matter how you put it. The funny thing is that they think the PS4 wont get as dated as the cheap same performance PC.
Csikszent Mihalyi Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 267	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:23:00 - [137] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: [quote=Jastaddd Death seeker][quote=Phoenix 85]Here you go plebs Keyboard really doesn't matter, it's far more important that you got a comfortable desk and chair... oh and don't believe all the dumb marketing speech ("programmable", "macros", "supermegafancyswitches" etc). That's not what actually good players buy such equipment for, but for its ergonomy and basic functionality. E.g. all I ever use for my mice are the basic mouse drivers that come with the operating system, which hasn't stopped me from playing on a fairly high competitive level in the past. The less frills, the better. The main reason pro gamers play with all that fancy equipment is that they are getting sponsored to do so, not because they really have to. More importantly, all of this is also true for console gaming. Some TVs are better than others, some headphones are better than others, some couches are more comfortable than others, and finally you can even use a mouse and keyboard in DUST (not to mention custom controllers, with stuff like rapid fire buttons and macros). A truly even playing field is a myth, even on a console. Since i'm in a hurry now i promise i expand my reply later Keybord matter too, trust me. And i know because i've tried it once (in realty a program to perform action simulating a macro, there weren't macro keyboard back then) and do the now forgotten practice of Rocket-Jump by pressing a single button (Aim down-JUMP-Shot) than have to actually aim down with your mouse and timing the Fire and the Jump. Like you said, you don't need special hardware to run a macro. But the thing is, those macros are all toys which are only used by beginners (been there, done that). Experienced players will laugh in your face if you tell them that you are using a macro to rocket jump. And that's not because they aren't interested in getting any advantage they can get. The only automation they'd use are things like quick-buy scripts in CS, to speed up mundane repetitive actions. That's pretty much a common theme with all the fancy "gaming gear". It's meant to make beginners think that they will get a leg up on the competition, but good players stick with the essentials because everything else really just gets in the way of player skill.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 75	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:29:00 - [138] - Quote Agreed, gaming gear, run from it like it was the devil. Overpriced stuf that will most likelly break.
Koshh Seere Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:38:00 - [139] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I got out of pc gaming back in the mid 2000. And I'm glad I did. It's perhaps the costliest investment I've ever made. No one game is worth going back to pc. And a $300 rig will not run Legion in its full potential. If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. A lot of the newer games are starting to push graphics to the next level. Every owner out there who's built their own pc is a essentially a whole different system. It's like having hundreds of different PlayStations out there and none of them are the same. And all the variations of software, drivers, etc..it's no wonder pc games get contant bug issues. But it's the hardware upgrades in the long term that gets you. There's a reason why pc games have a "recommended" spec for your pc. Because if you don't have that. You're not running smooth. Legion needs to hit the PS4 sooner than later. There's a lot of horsepower under that hood that can handle Legion. The later CCP ports this over to PS4 means that they'll have spent less time knowing the system to max it's potential. PC's aren't worth one game. Wrong, Intel was showing of minipc's that were really cheap and small at fanfest that could run EVE at max settings, saying a $300 rig can't run legion when it comes out is just naive stupidity.
Koshh Seere Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:44:00 - [140] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Here you go, about $400 to beat a PS4, if not already own a kbm. if not add some $60 more. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3EPNf for other base builds http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/builds Of course, you can bling a build to oblivion if you hav emoney for it to extract every bit of detail, but if you want the Ps4 experience, this will sufice. I love peole that read what they link!!! in your second Link Revision 3! A small form factor Home Theater PC ideal for light gaming, oldschool gaming, console emulators, streaming, and making use of Steam's In-Home Streaming feature (currently in beta). Please note: this is not designed as a primary gaming system, and is not built like one. The small case, built-in PSU, and APU drastically limit upgrade potential, and the performance is below that of the next-gen consoles. However, it is capable of modern games and it is much stronger than the last-gen consoles. EDIT: i add a thing because i think it's not clear. The flaw in what you think is that i WILL not face PS4, in Legion i will be facing Players with Gaming rig, players that will have an advantage not coming from skill, but coming from their hardware So you are saying your skill as a player stems from your rig?

Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 21	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:45:00 - [141] - Quote +1 for "Avoid gaming gear". Best fps mouse I ever had was a bog standard MS mouse with a trackball, and the sensitivity set way down. Now I'm stuck with my Razor Diamondback, which is a great mouse, but it's not even in the same league as that cheap MS mouse.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 75	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:05:00 - [142] - Quote I still use a logitech Mx 500 mouse. It must have about 10 years of continuous use. The plastic logitech logo have even weared out from it, lol. Its a charm of a mouse.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 208	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:10:00 - [143] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: First build: No price for harddrive (+$100) No bluray drive (+$50) No blurray movie software (+$50) No OS (+$100) NO KB/M (+$20) Case Fans (+$10) Hey right there is $330 you omitted from that build. OF course that PC is going to take 2-3 times more electricity as well. Now let me guess your response: Pirate windows Pirate blurray software (yes you have to have this, I own a blurray on my PC, there is no built-in software for it) You should already have a KB/M blah blah blah Also, that setup is not going to beat a Ps4 in anyway shape or form. Ps4 has nearly no overhead for an OS, games are actually "optimized" for one type of hardware(I know, PC guys don't understand optimization.) In 3-4 years that PS4 will still play all of the latest games, just like the PS3 plays a ton of games that a 7800 GTX will not anymore. You can get a nice hardrive for $60. Add there, like I said, the kbm cost. Windows too. It will add about $200 in the end, true. But for the added utility of a PC over a PS, I dont mind, especially since many parts can last thru several builds. Why in the freaking world would you want a bluray drive, or worse, a bluray app on a gaming pc escapes me. The case comes packed already with fans. You cant compare a PS3 with a gpu that was available at the time, because when PS3 came out it was a freaking good machine, not a mid-level pc like the PS4. I believe also at the time the price was a lot stepier than the new version in todays values. Yeah, the PS4 is hyper optimized, using just about 50% of its ram for the OS http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/ The reason the consoles still run new games is that the games are held back (ops, "optimized") because of the old hardware that dosent evolve, while on PC they see releases with advanced graphics and more options to make things look pretier - if you want them too, because the quality of the game is in your hands. #1 The link you posted is PCnazi fluff, not backed up by a single developer or sony. #2 No you need to add the bluray, thats another $100 (the drive is $50 and the move playing software and there is no freeware for that, I have checked) so that is $100 for windows $100 for blurray functionality $65 as per newegg for a HDD $20 for a crappy mouse/KB which puts another $285 above the cost of what you originally quoted for a gaming PC that will not be as proficient at games, will cost at least an extra $30 per year in electricity (hey the same price you can get PSPlus for all of the time), and no perpetual free triple A games (because of the free Plus due to electrical savings). In the end though, Like I have said, most gaming develoment money will always head towards consoles because that is where the money is at. Sure, if you spend 2-3 times as much as you would on a Ps4 you can get a little prettier graphics, but you will be playing the same game, designed with the same limitations as the console has. Face it, gaming is centered around consoles, not PC. Consoles are cheaper, you can own a console without an internet connect (like half of the planet BTW), the community is WAY nicer/funner, and you will always have the majority of development money thrown at your platform rather than the PC dungeon N4zis. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Koshh Seere Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:14:00 - [144] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: First build: No price for harddrive (+$100) No bluray drive (+$50) No blurray movie software (+$50) No OS (+$100) NO KB/M (+$20) Case Fans (+$10) Hey right there is $330 you omitted from that build. OF course that PC is going to take 2-3 times more electricity as well. Now let me guess your response: Pirate windows Pirate blurray software (yes you have to have this, I own a blurray on my PC, there is no built-in software for it) You should already have a KB/M blah blah blah Also, that setup is not going to beat a Ps4 in anyway shape or form. Ps4 has nearly no overhead for an OS, games are actually "optimized" for one type of hardware(I know, PC guys don't understand optimization.) In 3-4 years that PS4 will still play all of the latest games, just like the PS3 plays a ton of games that a 7800 GTX will not anymore. You can get a nice hardrive for $60. Add there, like I said, the kbm cost. Windows too. It will add about $200 in the end, true. But for the added utility of a PC over a PS, I dont mind, especially since many parts can last thru several builds. Why in the freaking world would you want a bluray drive, or worse, a bluray app on a gaming pc escapes me. The case comes packed already with fans. You cant compare a PS3 with a gpu that was available at the time, because when PS3 came out it was a freaking good machine, not a mid-level pc like the PS4. I believe also at the time the price was a lot stepier than the new version in todays values. Yeah, the PS4 is hyper optimized, using just about 50% of its ram for the OS http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/ The reason the consoles still run new games is that the games are held back (ops, "optimized") because of the old hardware that dosent evolve, while on PC they see releases with advanced graphics and more options to make things look pretier - if you want them too, because the quality of the game is in your hands. #1 The link you posted is PCnazi fluff, not backed up by a single developer or sony. #2 No you need to add the bluray, thats another $100 (the drive is $50 and the move playing software and there is no freeware for that, I have checked) so that is $100 for windows $100 for blurray functionality $65 as per newegg for a HDD $20 for a crappy mouse/KB which puts another $285 above the cost of what you originally quoted for a gaming PC that will not be as proficient at games, will cost at least an extra $30 per year in electricity (hey the same price you can get PSPlus for all of the time), and no perpetual free triple A games (because of the free Plus due to electrical savings). In the end though, Like I have said, most gaming develoment money will always head towards consoles because that is where the money is at. Sure, if you spend 2-3 times as much as you would on a Ps4 you can get a little prettier graphics, but you will be playing the same game, designed with the same limitations as the console has. Face it, gaming is centered around consoles, not PC. Consoles are cheaper, you can own a console without an internet connect (like half of the planet BTW), the community is WAY nicer/funner, and you will always have the majority of development money thrown at your platform rather than the PC dungeon N4zis. Are you saying I can't have my pc without internet for gaming? Also you ad hominem argu,emts against pc players really should get you banned imho.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 208	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:14:00 - [145] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: The funny thing is that they think the PS4 wont get as dated as the cheap same performance PC. So I don't really see a 7800 GTX supporting most recent releases... hey look at that, the consoles do. Have fun spending the same price as a console every 2-3 years on a graphics card, and paying the electricity company more than what PSPlus costs (without the 24+ free games). Oh right and that crap game you bought brand new from steam? You are stuck with it... I can get $30 back for it by trading it in/selling it because I can actually own my software. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 208	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:16:00 - [146] - Quote Koshh Seere wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: First build: No price for harddrive (+$100) No bluray drive (+$50) No blurray movie software (+$50) No OS (+$100) NO KB/M (+$20) Case Fans (+$10) Hey right there is $330 you omitted from that build. OF course that PC is going to take 2-3 times more electricity as well. Now let me guess your response: Pirate windows Pirate blurray software (yes you have to have this, I own a blurray on my PC, there is no built-in software for it) You should already have a KB/M blah blah blah Also, that setup is not going to beat a Ps4 in anyway shape or form. Ps4 has nearly no overhead for an OS, games are actually "optimized" for one type of hardware(I know, PC guys don't understand optimization.) In 3-4 years that PS4 will still play all of the latest games, just like the PS3 plays a ton of games that a 7800 GTX will not anymore. You can get a nice hardrive for $60. Add there, like I said, the kbm cost. Windows too. It will add about $200 in the end, true. But for the added utility of a PC over a PS, I dont mind, especially since many parts can last thru several builds. Why in the freaking world would you want a bluray drive, or worse, a bluray app on a gaming pc escapes me. The case comes packed already with fans. You cant compare a PS3 with a gpu that was available at the time, because when PS3 came out it was a freaking good machine, not a mid-level pc like the PS4. I believe also at the time the price was a lot stepier than the new version in todays values. Yeah, the PS4 is hyper optimized, using just about 50% of its ram for the OS http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/ The reason the consoles still run new games is that the games are held back (ops, "optimized") because of the old hardware that dosent evolve, while on PC they see releases with advanced graphics and more options to make things look pretier - if you want them too, because the quality of the game is in your hands. #1 The link you posted is PCnazi fluff, not backed up by a single developer or sony. #2 No you need to add the bluray, thats another $100 (the drive is $50 and the move playing software and there is no freeware for that, I have checked) so that is $100 for windows $100 for blurray functionality $65 as per newegg for a HDD $20 for a crappy mouse/KB which puts another $285 above the cost of what you originally quoted for a gaming PC that will not be as proficient at games, will cost at least an extra $30 per year in electricity (hey the same price you can get PSPlus for all of the time), and no perpetual free triple A games (because of the free Plus due to electrical savings). In the end though, Like I have said, most gaming develoment money will always head towards consoles because that is where the money is at. Sure, if you spend 2-3 times as much as you would on a Ps4 you can get a little prettier graphics, but you will be playing the same game, designed with the same limitations as the console has. Face it, gaming is centered around consoles, not PC. Consoles are cheaper, you can own a console without an internet connect (like half of the planet BTW), the community is WAY nicer/funner, and you will always have the majority of development money thrown at your platform rather than the PC dungeon N4zis. Are you saying I can't have my pc without internet for gaming? Also you ad hominem arguments against pc players really should get you banned imho. Who sells computer games anymore? Even if you find some magical vendor that does actually sell PC releases, they are going to fleece you, and you still will not be able to trade them in after purchase, oh and quite a few PC games require at least a primary authentication through the internet. And so we come to the truth of it, you are upset because your B.S. PCmasterrace is basically just smoke and mirrors, and now that someone is succesfully showing that A) you will lie in order to try to make PC gaming better and B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet) 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2774	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:27:00 - [147] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet) Its true, consoles are cheaper... but PCs are better. You get what you pay for. There is a reason for both consoles and PCs to exist. Just like there is a reason for Camry's and BMWs to exist.
Koshh Seere Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:34:00 - [148] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Koshh Seere wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: First build: No price for harddrive (+$100) No bluray drive (+$50) No blurray movie software (+$50) No OS (+$100) NO KB/M (+$20) Case Fans (+$10) Hey right there is $330 you omitted from that build. OF course that PC is going to take 2-3 times more electricity as well. Now let me guess your response: Pirate windows Pirate blurray software (yes you have to have this, I own a blurray on my PC, there is no built-in software for it) You should already have a KB/M blah blah blah Also, that setup is not going to beat a Ps4 in anyway shape or form. Ps4 has nearly no overhead for an OS, games are actually "optimized" for one type of hardware(I know, PC guys don't understand optimization.) In 3-4 years that PS4 will still play all of the latest games, just like the PS3 plays a ton of games that a 7800 GTX will not anymore. You can get a nice hardrive for $60. Add there, like I said, the kbm cost. Windows too. It will add about $200 in the end, true. But for the added utility of a PC over a PS, I dont mind, especially since many parts can last thru several builds. Why in the freaking world would you want a bluray drive, or worse, a bluray app on a gaming pc escapes me. The case comes packed already with fans. You cant compare a PS3 with a gpu that was available at the time, because when PS3 came out it was a freaking good machine, not a mid-level pc like the PS4. I believe also at the time the price was a lot stepier than the new version in todays values. Yeah, the PS4 is hyper optimized, using just about 50% of its ram for the OS http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/ The reason the consoles still run new games is that the games are held back (ops, "optimized") because of the old hardware that dosent evolve, while on PC they see releases with advanced graphics and more options to make things look pretier - if you want them too, because the quality of the game is in your hands. #1 The link you posted is PCnazi fluff, not backed up by a single developer or sony. #2 No you need to add the bluray, thats another $100 (the drive is $50 and the move playing software and there is no freeware for that, I have checked) so that is $100 for windows $100 for blurray functionality $65 as per newegg for a HDD $20 for a crappy mouse/KB which puts another $285 above the cost of what you originally quoted for a gaming PC that will not be as proficient at games, will cost at least an extra $30 per year in electricity (hey the same price you can get PSPlus for all of the time), and no perpetual free triple A games (because of the free Plus due to electrical savings). In the end though, Like I have said, most gaming develoment money will always head towards consoles because that is where the money is at. Sure, if you spend 2-3 times as much as you would on a Ps4 you can get a little prettier graphics, but you will be playing the same game, designed with the same limitations as the console has. Face it, gaming is centered around consoles, not PC. Consoles are cheaper, you can own a console without an internet connect (like half of the planet BTW), the community is WAY nicer/funner, and you will always have the majority of development money thrown at your platform rather than the PC dungeon N4zis. Are you saying I can't have my pc without internet for gaming? Also you ad hominem arguments against pc players really should get you banned imho. Who sells computer games anymore? Even if you find some magical vendor that does actually sell PC releases, they are going to fleece you, and you still will not be able to trade them in after purchase, oh and quite a few PC games require at least a primary authentication through the internet. And so we come to the truth of it, you are upset because your B.S. PCmasterrace is basically just smoke and mirrors, and now that someone is succesfully showing that A) you will lie in order to try to make PC gaming better and B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet) or C) PC hardware =/= console hardware. Ps3 ended up putting out games with graphics and gameplay that now computer with 256 MB of system ram and a 256 MB 7800 GTX, or 8800GTX, or possibly even a 9800GTX would be able to match. Have fun with your overpriced epeen machine. WTF did I lie about?
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 209	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:36:00 - [149] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet) Its true, consoles are cheaper... but PCs are better. You get what you pay for. There is a reason for both consoles and PCs to exist. Just like there is a reason for Camry's and BMWs to exist. Per price a PC can not match a console, not even close. The console caters to everyone, has way better price per performance, has a much higher developer focus, and is just more fun. See this is exactly the point I was trying to make here. For PC gamers it has nothing to do with "gaming" as a hobby, it is all about deriving self-worth from having a ridiculous PC because that is the only place they can. I hate top break ti to you but no one cares who has the most bad-ass pocket protector. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 209	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:36:00 - [150] - Quote Koshh Seere wrote: WTF did I lie about? Sorry conflated you with Ender there. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 75	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:38:00 - [151] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Koshh Seere wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: First build: No price for harddrive (+$100) No bluray drive (+$50) No blurray movie software (+$50) No OS (+$100) NO KB/M (+$20) Case Fans (+$10) Hey right there is $330 you omitted from that build. OF course that PC is going to take 2-3 times more electricity as well. Now let me guess your response: Pirate windows Pirate blurray software (yes you have to have this, I own a blurray on my PC, there is no built-in software for it) You should already have a KB/M blah blah blah Also, that setup is not going to beat a Ps4 in anyway shape or form. Ps4 has nearly no overhead for an OS, games are actually "optimized" for one type of hardware(I know, PC guys don't understand optimization.) In 3-4 years that PS4 will still play all of the latest games, just like the PS3 plays a ton of games that a 7800 GTX will not anymore. You can get a nice hardrive for $60. Add there, like I said, the kbm cost. Windows too. It will add about $200 in the end, true. But for the added utility of a PC over a PS, I dont mind, especially since many parts can last thru several builds. Why in the freaking world would you want a bluray drive, or worse, a bluray app on a gaming pc escapes me. The case comes packed already with fans. You cant compare a PS3 with a gpu that was available at the time, because when PS3 came out it was a freaking good machine, not a mid-level pc like the PS4. I believe also at the time the price was a lot stepier than the new version in todays values. Yeah, the PS4 is hyper optimized, using just about 50% of its ram for the OS http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/ The reason the consoles still run new games is that the games are held back (ops, "optimized") because of the old hardware that dosent evolve, while on PC they see releases with advanced graphics and more options to make things look pretier - if you want them too, because the quality of the game is in your hands. #1 The link you posted is PCnazi fluff, not backed up by a single developer or sony. #2 No you need to add the bluray, thats another $100 (the drive is $50 and the move playing software and there is no freeware for that, I have checked) so that is $100 for windows $100 for blurray functionality $65 as per newegg for a HDD $20 for a crappy mouse/KB which puts another $285 above the cost of what you originally quoted for a gaming PC that will not be as proficient at games, will cost at least an extra $30 per year in electricity (hey the same price you can get PSPlus for all of the time), and no perpetual free triple A games (because of the free Plus due to electrical savings). In the end though, Like I have said, most gaming develoment money will always head towards consoles because that is where the money is at. Sure, if you spend 2-3 times as much as you would on a Ps4 you can get a little prettier graphics, but you will be playing the same game, designed with the same limitations as the console has. Face it, gaming is centered around consoles, not PC. Consoles are cheaper, you can own a console without an internet connect (like half of the planet BTW), the community is WAY nicer/funner, and you will always have the majority of development money thrown at your platform rather than the PC dungeon N4zis. Are you saying I can't have my pc without internet for gaming? Also you ad hominem arguments against pc players really should get you banned imho. Who sells computer games anymore? Even if you find some magical vendor that does actually sell PC releases, they are going to fleece you, and you still will not be able to trade them in after purchase, oh and quite a few PC games require at least a primary authentication through the internet. And so we come to the truth of it, you are upset because your B.S. PCmasterrace is basically just smoke and mirrors, and now that someone is succesfully showing that A) you will lie in order to try to make PC gaming better and B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet) Why would i want to trade in a game, wich I paid cheaper than the console counterpart, in some cases less than $1 with humble bundles? The moment you trade in a game, you lose it, thus having to own a limited library of pre-owned disks. Your arguments are pretty uninformed, as PC's are having better financial performance than consoles. And most developers do multiple platform releases. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/28/as-global-pc-game-revenue-surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/ http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-01-28-pc-gaming-market-to-exceed-USD25-billion-this-year-dfc http://gearnuke.com/pc-dominates-market-51-console-30-mobile-13-according-new-report/
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:40:00 - [152] - Quote uhm, is the PC nerds trying to argue PC master race and how PC rocks and what not? Let's go a gaming store together. Now, let's look at the console isle - notice all the games? Let's go to the PC isle.. Wait, where is it?!?!?!?! It's just a shelf?! Where's all the games?!?!?! Oh, PC is all about MMO's and online interaction? SWEET. How do I get a head in these games? What? Buy a good PC? But.... that guy, just said I didn't need too? Why would I buy an expensive computer over the cheap crap he picked out for me? What? Quality? Improves performances in game? YOU MEAN PEOPLE ACTUALLY PLAY BETTER DEPENDING ON THERE PC'S SPECS?! Wait, what? Why play Legion at all if you have a PC rig? There's better games out there in the first place and what made Dust special is no game like it was on the console for easy enjoyment? Wow, cool. I feel smarter/more ******** already. This conversation has been brought to you by the little guy inside my head.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2777	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:41:00 - [153] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet) Its true, consoles are cheaper... but PCs are better. You get what you pay for. There is a reason for both consoles and PCs to exist. Just like there is a reason for Camry's and BMWs to exist. Per price a PC can not match a console, not even close. The console caters to everyone, has way better price per performance, has a much higher developer focus, and is just more fun. See this is exactly the point I was trying to make here. For PC gamers it has nothing to do with "gaming" as a hobby, it is all about deriving self-worth from having a ridiculous PC because that is the only place they can. I hate top break ti to you but no one cares who has the most bad-ass pocket protector. The console doesn't cater to everyone, that is far too general of a statement. As with most things, the more power you want you pay a price of diminishing returns. A Camry is gonna give you more hp/$ than a BMW will too, but you still see a lot of BMWs on the road. Would you not argue a Camry caters to everyone as well? I wonder why it is then that not every single person is driving a Camry? By your logic no one would be driving BMWs.
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 22	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:51:00 - [154] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Who sells computer games anymore? Even if you find some magical vendor that does actually sell PC releases, they are going to fleece you, and you still will not be able to trade them in after purchase, oh and quite a few PC games require at least a primary authentication through the internet. And so we come to the truth of it, you are upset because your B.S. PCmasterrace is basically just smoke and mirrors, and now that someone is succesfully showing that A) you will lie in order to try to make PC gaming better and B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet) or C) PC hardware =/= console hardware. Ps3 ended up putting out games with graphics and gameplay that now computer with 256 MB of system ram and a 256 MB 7800 GTX, or 8800GTX, or possibly even a 9800GTX would be able to match. Have fun with your overpriced epeen machine. Good Lord! Where do I even begin?! Who sells computer games anymore: You might have heard about this company called Valve. They have something called Steam. They even have sales and stuff! No? How about EA/Origin? Good Old Games? A) No need to lie. A good gaming PC is demonstrably better than a console. The only thing consoles have going for them is convenience. An equivalent gaming PC might cost $600 today, but it will cost $450 next year, and $300 the year after. B) See A. Plus - what the Hell does internet connections have to do with anything. You either have one or not. Consoles don't magically connect through the ether. C) PC hardware is still following Moore's Law. If consoles followed the same progression the PS3 should cost about $37.50, not $200.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 217	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:24:00 - [155] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Why would i want to trade in a game, wich I paid cheaper than the console counterpart, in some cases less than $1 with humble bundles? The moment you trade in a game, you lose it, thus having to own a limited library of pre-owned disks. Your arguments are pretty uninformed, as PC's are having better financial performance than consoles. And most developers do multiple platform releases. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/28/as-global-pc-game-revenue-surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/ http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-01-28-pc-gaming-market-to-exceed-USD25-billion-this-year-dfc http://gearnuke.com/pc-dominates-market-51-console-30-mobile-13-according-new-report/ If you do the same bargain hunting on a console as a PC, I guarantee you that you can get games for cheaper on a console. From being able to trade in your brand new $60 game for $30 when you are done with it (i.e. $30 brand new AAA games) to going and picking up older games for pennies on the dollar (you can go get killzone 3 for $5). Why would you want to trade in a game? Lets say you pre-order Duke Nukem, and got the game on each platform. You paid $10 more on console. 1 week later you never want to look at the game again, you go sell it for $30 and now you are only out $30.... on the PC you are still out $50, you will always be out $50, you are boned... that is just 1 of 100 examples btw. Your story on the PC market revenue is not data, it is guestimation by an analyst. Steam has up to (also an estimate) 75% of PC title sales, steam does not release sales data to anyone, this means your 22 billion (for 2012) figure is pie in the sky fantasy. Steam made almost 1 billion dollars last year, roughly 20% of what one developer (activiision) made. The $25 billion figure comes from the same analyst by the way. Every story you link comes from one analysts, yeah your data is that bad. DFC is a fully unreliable source The console market made $38 billion last year, this is cold hard fact backed by numerous sources. Your PC number comes from one analyst group that can't even come up with a decent guess. PC sales have been declining by 10% a year for the last 3-4 years (due to tablets). Every single bit of sales data says that PCs will by and large be replaced by tablets which means the PC market is going to corrode, and even fewer developers will put titles on PC. Every single piece of data you put out is just full of absolute crap. Listen I am getting so tired of proving you are just a PC elitist liar who can't do math and can't research sources. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 218	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:33:00 - [156] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Who sells computer games anymore? Even if you find some magical vendor that does actually sell PC releases, they are going to fleece you, and you still will not be able to trade them in after purchase, oh and quite a few PC games require at least a primary authentication through the internet. And so we come to the truth of it, you are upset because your B.S. PCmasterrace is basically just smoke and mirrors, and now that someone is succesfully showing that A) you will lie in order to try to make PC gaming better and B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet) or C) PC hardware =/= console hardware. Ps3 ended up putting out games with graphics and gameplay that now computer with 256 MB of system ram and a 256 MB 7800 GTX, or 8800GTX, or possibly even a 9800GTX would be able to match. Have fun with your overpriced epeen machine. Good Lord! Where do I even begin?! Who sells computer games anymore: You might have heard about this company called Valve. They have something called Steam. They even have sales and stuff! No? How about EA/Origin? Good Old Games? A) No need to lie. A good gaming PC is demonstrably better than a console. The only thing consoles have going for them is convenience. An equivalent gaming PC might cost $600 today, but it will cost $450 next year, and $300 the year after. B) See A. Plus - what the Hell does internet connections have to do with anything. You either have one or not. Consoles don't magically connect through the ether. C) PC hardware is still following Moore's Law. If consoles followed the same progression the PS3 should cost about $37.50, not $200. Edit: No, you don't need a bluray player for your PC. That's what your PS3 is for. Way to reading comprehend there idiot. The context in which I said who even sells PC games anymore was Brick & mortar stores, you know places where people go (Oh no.. people!!!) Look at sales data for XBOX, only about half of their userbase even uses XBOX live, this means everyone else is not connecting to the internet. MOST OF THE WORLD DOES NOT HAVE INTERNET. A) yes you need to lie, bottom line pricing for a gaming PC will always be $400 or above, it just so happens to get one equivalent (in specs, not performance remember) will cost you around $700 right now. In a year that PC wil be cheaper, but so might the PS4, and on top of that PS4 BRAND NEW is cheaper than the cheapest you would build a gaming PC for. It is just a no-braner that consoles are just so much cheaper. B) Outside of the internet you can find console games everywhere in the world, you really have to search for PC game vendors, and on top of that you only find the very most popular titles. C) PC hardware does not all follow Moore's law. Otherwise you could get 300 GB hard drives for $5. Everything has a bottom line price. Also, you will not be able to build a gaming PC w/ blurray capabilities for $200 period.. windows will be $100 of that to begin with, $100 for the blurray drive plus the software... you have no money left for a PC. Jesus, a olot of you PC gamers actually took the troll seriously didn't you. PCmasterrace was a troll, it was people making fun of their own community due to the way neckbeards would act. You guys just took it and ran with it eh? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 25	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:09:00 - [157] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Way to reading comprehend there idiot. The context in which I said who even sells PC games anymore was Brick & mortar stores, you know places where people go (Oh no.. people!!!) Look at sales data for XBOX, only about half of their userbase even uses XBOX live, this means everyone else is not connecting to the internet. MOST OF THE WORLD DOES NOT HAVE INTERNET. A) yes you need to lie, bottom line pricing for a gaming PC will always be $400 or above, it just so happens to get one equivalent (in specs, not performance remember) will cost you around $700 right now. In a year that PC wil be cheaper, but so might the PS4, and on top of that PS4 BRAND NEW is cheaper than the cheapest you would build a gaming PC for. It is just a no-braner that consoles are just so much cheaper. B) Outside of the internet you can find console games everywhere in the world, you really have to search for PC game vendors, and on top of that you only find the very most popular titles. C) PC hardware does not all follow Moore's law. Otherwise you could get 300 GB hard drives for $5. Everything has a bottom line price. Also, you will not be able to build a gaming PC w/ blurray capabilities for $200 period.. windows will be $100 of that to begin with, $100 for the blurray drive plus the software... you have no money left for a PC. Jesus, a a lot of you PC gamers actually took the troll seriously didn't you. PCmasterrace was a troll, it was people making fun of their own community due to the way neckbeards would act. You guys just took it and ran with it eh? EDIT: also yes you do need a blurray in your PC if you are trying to build a PS3 or PS4 equivalent. Name calling. Classy. I can do it too! You sound like a spoiled twelve year old brat. Are you a spoiled twelve year old brat? And so what if half the world doesn't have an internet connection. I'm pretty sure none of them are in the market demographic for an ONLINE SHOOTER. Can't believe I actually had to spell that out for you. Brick and mortar PC game stores don't exist any more because they're obsolete. If you have to go to a store to buy a multi-player game because you don't have an internet connection you're doing it wrong. Console gamers are saddled with MS and Sony who are so hysterical about piracy that they'd rather keep selling you physical discs than direct downloads (this is changing, but you console kiddies still have a ways to go). And no, you don't need the blu-ray. The PC will work just fine without it (OK, I get your meaning, but you don't need it to play games on the PC like you do with most console games, again, because for most PC gamers, brick and mortar stores are obsolete). And yes, you won't be able to build a gaming rig at the price of a PS4 today, but PC roughly doubles in power (while retaining the same price) every two years. The PS4 is locked in until they release the PS5. You can't update it no matter what. Putting Legion on PC was a "no-braner", as your thoroughly reading comprehensive Highness said.


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