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Revision 3! A small form factor Home Theater PC ideal for light gaming, oldschool gaming, console emulators, streaming, and making use of Steam's In-Home Streaming feature (currently in beta). Please note: this is not designed as a primary gaming system, and is not built like one. The small case, built-in PSU, and APU drastically limit upgrade potential, and the performance is below that of the next-gen consoles. However, it is capable of modern games and it is much stronger than the last-gen consoles.

Actually, the max resolution I would even care for would be 1080p. And where exactly are you getting your info regarding "rendering" at 720p and upscaling? When pretty much every developer, including Hideo Kojima of MGS Ground Zeroes stated that the PS4 "renders" in 1080p. Is there some secret pc lingo I don't know about where the term "render" means two different things?

I think the Ps4 can render stuff at 1080p, not all tittles suport it and there are reports of it not being consistent throughout a title, like diferences between single and multiplayers modes. They will have to seek a balance within the hardware.

It will probably be high dependant on the developer, the quality of the graphics they want to show, and the framerate they want to maintain (30 or 60 fps).

Actually, the max resolution I would even care for would be 1080p. And where exactly are you getting your info regarding "rendering" at 720p and upscaling? When pretty much every developer, including Hideo Kojima of MGS Ground Zeroes stated that the PS4 "renders" in 1080p. Is there some secret pc lingo I don't know about where the term "render" means two different things?

Cons: we become PC gamers.

Cons: we become PC gamers.

Did you ever consider the RL money cost? PS4 - subscription & just buying it plus up keep & games. PC cost, plus subsccription, games & up-keep.

Friends being lost on console.

Then living costs etc. People aren't going to do it just for Legion nor will they stay long.

Be realistic. In 10 years if you did both systems it'll add up enough to buy 2-3 used vehicles.

Here you go, about $400 to beat a PS4, if not already own a kbm. if not add some $60 more.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3EPNf

for other base builds
http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/builds


Of course, you can bling a build to oblivion if you hav emoney for it to extract every bit of detail, but if you want the Ps4 experience, this will sufice.

PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate)

First build:
No price for harddrive (+$100)
No bluray drive (+$50)
No blurray movie software (+$50)
No OS (+$100)
NO KB/M (+$20)
Case Fans (+$10)

Hey right there is $330 you omitted from that build. OF course that PC is going to take 2-3 times more electricity as well.

Now let me guess your response:
Pirate windows
Pirate blurray software (yes you have to have this, I own a blurray on my PC, there is no built-in software for it)
You should already have a KB/M
blah blah blah

Also, that setup is not going to beat a Ps4 in anyway shape or form. Ps4 has nearly no overhead for an OS, games are actually "optimized" for one type of hardware(I know, PC guys don't understand optimization.) In 3-4 years that PS4 will still play all of the latest games, just like the PS3 plays a ton of games that a 7800 GTX will not anymore.

PS4 = 400

Decent PC = 800

Or you can waste money, get a cheap PC that'll be dated in a few years, and torture yourself.

I think you honestly believe your own crap, sad.

800 but upgradable and more utility and cheaper games. In the long run this may cost you less, but even if not, the difference is really not big enough to play the "rich boy" card. High end gaming is a luxury, no matter how you put it.

Since i'm in a hurry now i promise i expand my reply later

Keybord matter too, trust me. And i know because i've tried it once (in realty a program to perform action simulating a macro, there weren't macro keyboard back then) and do the now forgotten practice of Rocket-Jump by pressing a single button (Aim down-JUMP-Shot) than have to actually aim down with your mouse and timing the Fire and the Jump.

I got out of pc gaming back in the mid 2000. And I'm glad I did. It's perhaps the costliest investment I've ever made. No one game is worth going back to pc. And a $300 rig will not run Legion in its full potential. If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing.

A lot of the newer games are starting to push graphics to the next level. Every owner out there who's built their own pc is a essentially a whole different system. It's like having hundreds of different PlayStations out there and none of them are the same.

And all the variations of software, drivers, etc..it's no wonder pc games get contant bug issues. But it's the hardware upgrades in the long term that gets you. There's a reason why pc games have a "recommended" spec for your pc. Because if you don't have that. You're not running smooth.

Legion needs to hit the PS4 sooner than later. There's a lot of horsepower under that hood that can handle Legion. The later CCP ports this over to PS4 means that they'll have spent less time knowing the system to max it's potential.

PC's aren't worth one game.

I love peole that read what they link!!!

in your second Link

Revision 3! A small form factor Home Theater PC ideal for light gaming, oldschool gaming, console emulators, streaming, and making use of Steam's In-Home Streaming feature (currently in beta). Please note: this is not designed as a primary gaming system, and is not built like one. The small case, built-in PSU, and APU drastically limit upgrade potential, and the performance is below that of the next-gen consoles. However, it is capable of modern games and it is much stronger than the last-gen consoles.

EDIT: i add a thing because i think it's not clear.

The flaw in what you think is that i WILL not face PS4, in Legion i will be facing Players with Gaming rig, players that will have an advantage not coming from skill, but coming from their hardware

You can get a nice hardrive for $60.

Add there, like I said, the kbm cost. Windows too. It will add about $200 in the end, true.

But for the added utility of a PC over a PS, I dont mind, especially since many parts can last thru several builds.

Why in the freaking world would you want a bluray drive, or worse, a bluray app on a gaming pc escapes me.

The case comes packed already with fans.

You cant compare a PS3 with a gpu that was available at the time, because when PS3 came out it was a freaking good machine, not a mid-level pc like the PS4. I believe also at the time the price was a lot stepier than the new version in todays values.

Yeah, the PS4 is hyper optimized, using just about 50% of its ram for the OS
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/

The reason the consoles still run new games is that the games are held back (ops, "optimized") because of the old hardware that dosent evolve, while on PC they see releases with advanced graphics and more options to make things look pretier - if you want them too, because the quality of the game is in your hands.

#1 The link you posted is PCnazi fluff, not backed up by a single developer or sony.

#2 No you need to add the bluray, thats another $100 (the drive is $50 and the move playing software and there is no freeware for that, I have checked)

so that is $100 for windows
$100 for blurray functionality
$65 as per newegg for a HDD
$20 for a crappy mouse/KB
which puts another $285 above the cost of what you originally quoted for a gaming PC that will not be as proficient at games, will cost at least an extra $30 per year in electricity (hey the same price you can get PSPlus for all of the time), and no perpetual free triple A games (because of the free Plus due to electrical savings).

In the end though, Like I have said, most gaming develoment money will always head towards consoles because that is where the money is at. Sure, if you spend 2-3 times as much as you would on a Ps4 you can get a little prettier graphics, but you will be playing the same game, designed with the same limitations as the console has.

Face it, gaming is centered around consoles, not PC. Consoles are cheaper, you can own a console without an internet connect (like half of the planet BTW), the community is WAY nicer/funner, and you will always have the majority of development money thrown at your platform rather than the PC dungeon N4zis.

The funny thing is that they think the PS4 wont get as dated as the cheap same performance PC.

Are you saying I can't have my pc without internet for gaming? Also you ad hominem arguments against pc players really should get you banned imho.

B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet)

Who sells computer games anymore? Even if you find some magical vendor that does actually sell PC releases, they are going to fleece you, and you still will not be able to trade them in after purchase, oh and quite a few PC games require at least a primary authentication through the internet.

And so we come to the truth of it, you are upset because your B.S. PCmasterrace is basically just smoke and mirrors, and now that someone is succesfully showing that

A) you will lie in order to try to make PC gaming better

and

B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet)

or

C) PC hardware =/= console hardware. Ps3 ended up putting out games with graphics and gameplay that now computer with 256 MB of system ram and a 256 MB 7800 GTX, or 8800GTX, or possibly even a 9800GTX would be able to match. Have fun with your overpriced epeen machine.

Its true, consoles are cheaper... but PCs are better.

You get what you pay for. There is a reason for both consoles and PCs to exist. Just like there is a reason for Camry's and BMWs to exist.

WTF did I lie about?