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Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 63	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:31:00 - [1] - Quote With a PC platform, players will be able to play Legion and EVE at the same time. Multiboxing is a reality on the PC platform. PCs evolve as the hardware evolve, no need for gimmick "next-gen" hyped stuff that's pretty much last gen, as even the PS4 is pretty much a medium PC. Game development and fixing is way faster within the PC ecosystem. Within PC, you can have third part communication tools making easy to communicate with fellow Dust/Legion and EVE players alike. Having a PC, you gains access to a huge library of F2P games, AAA games, cheap sales on Steam, you name it. The claim thats hacking is a big thing on PC is blown out of proportion. I rarelly see that as games are very active in detecting and stoping it. And if you live on an ilusion that PS3 is hack imune, sorry for destroying your dream: http://www.destructoid.com/hackers-have-taken-over-call-of-duty-4-on-ps3-142465.phtml Regarding cost, you can build a PS4 killer for around $600. Its not a big investment considering it will be a superior machine. Now I must concede, you will miss the couch, unless wanting to walk that extra mile ans pluging the PC to your TV and assembling some setup to allow for kbm placement on the couch.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 63	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:21:00 - [2] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. Copy/Paste from another thread. Good post to put here. I no longer play Planetside 2 in part because of what you said here. The amount of hackers in that game is unbelievable. Their GMs can't even come close to keeping up with them all. As well, everyone is assholes to each other, and they take that ** outside the game on a constant basis. When I was playing the game with The Enclave, one time when we'd been beating up Goonswarm's P2 division for about an hour, they did a DDoS on the small server we were using for our website and TeamSpeak 3 server. As soon as our comms were down they tried to do this big push back out of their "safe zone". As another example, there was a bug in the game for a while that involved a larger group of APCs, a bunch of mines, and some well-placed C4. When you lit the whole thing off, it would DC everyone in the installation where you did it. I don't think I need to tell you how many times that one got thrown around. TEST pretty much made themselves famous for it. Yeah people tend to forget about Hack and ** for Christ sake, CCP can't even stop GJR from farming like ON A FORUM. Thats not a good presentation card PS3 has hacks too... but yeah, lets close eyes on that...
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 63	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:51:00 - [3] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Ender Storm wrote: PS3 has hacks too... but yeah, lets close eyes on that... Link Pls. of a WORKING method, not some sub-shamanic procedure ( you know,like fixing x-box360 with a pile of glue and other ** you find on youtube.) cause, you know, i can find a LOT of AIM,TRIG bot (that are worse than aimbot, since CCP is using a Hit-detect weapon system, hope that i don't need to tell you why) and wall hack for every FPS/MMOFPS for PC. If you talking about lag switching you know that isn't useful on this type of game. That way i choose this game, cause server side DMG calc mean lag switch is futile. I can't play a game where may death count when people lag the ** out of me Sad to say, it was ccp that choose to have crappy framerate. yeah sure i will post a link to cheats and haks.... lol Do a quick google search for cod ps3 hacks and you will find them yourself. I myself and some friends saw hacks on CoD Ghosts short after release on the PS3. Hacks exist everywhere. Have to chose games that try to counter them and have a low occurency, thats all. On any platform.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 63	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:00:00 - [4] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: "But PC HAS BIGGER LIBRARY OF GAMES" yeah. what kind of games? The 8bit indie's or the korean mmo's? No thanks. Most AAA games get released on PC as well. GTA, I really dotn care about, but I have seen modded GTA IV screens / videos that blow gta V out of the water, and GTA V is comming anyway for those that are into that kinda of games. Not to mention games that are more "at home" in pc's, like the myriad of MMO's, strategy games and simulation games, as pretty much the majority of FPS's that matter that are on consoles are also on the PC. Also, theres a lot of F2P to go thru, like Warthunder, World of Tanks, Hawken, Blacklight (100x better than CoD if you ask me). Consoles are great too, but PC is the better platform. I play on both, had a good time playing Last of Us. No need to chose one over another. But I ogtta say I spend a lot less and get a lot more out of an open system like the PC's than with a locked PS3.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 63	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:02:00 - [5] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: Already have a PC. I use it for work and tax purposes. No game will ever touch it. Great. Have fun not playing DUST anymore when PS3 shuts down for good. To be fair, PS3 is a nice Netflix box and bluray player.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 64	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:16:00 - [6] - Quote inohahna mamotto wrote: Nstomper wrote: not sure why ccp cant have dust and legion have the same exact content, i mean look at ffxiv for an example. Square Enix has 3 different versions of the game PC, Ps3, and Ps4, and all three of these versions have the same exact features , not to mention that all three of these platforms are connected together so the console players play together with the pc players and there is no PC Master race attitudes in that game at all. so my question is if Square can do it why is it that CCP cant? i have honestly been wondering about that too I dont know FFXIV, its not my cup of tea, but its seems like an RPG, might me more lax on response time than a shooter, but I dont think that might be the reason. I would bet maintaining the same game, especially one that is still in development (pretty much beta) would be a nightmare to do on multiple platforms. Also the "controler woes" probably dosent play the same role as in the FPs world, just see how much people cry about kbm vs ds3. FF probably is a well packaged and defined game, with time to mature before hiting the market, with a bigger budget and financial support from its developer/publisher. CCP runs pretty much alone on its own money. finally, if it was that easy, it woud be common place, wich it isnt.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 66	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:28:00 - [7] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Cons: I'll now have to keep both a PC and a console up to date- some of the best series are console only. Final Fantasy, for instance. I would say having both systems is a pro in itself. The added cost might be a con, if you live on limited funds. The maneintance, really, , both PS and PC's pretty much maintain themselves. Just dont go to pron sites to get viruses. And regarding jacking concerns, personal experiences might vary, but in my personal experience they are rare nowadays when the companies care about their games. Thats obviously less true with CoD/BF games where the company behind them is more interessed in pushing the next tittle than maintaining the old.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 66	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:53:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Why get a PC just for more of CCP's pipe dream? There's tons of better PC games out there. Hell, it's almost not worth getting a PC at this point unless you're into modding. Cross platformng is going to be a thing in the near future. LOL? Why it would not be worth getting a new PC? It is as worth as getting a new PS4 (wich at this point has almost no games, better get it in a year or so). Sure, I agree that buying a new system just for 1 game isnt the best option, but an intelligent person would, if getting a new system, try other games I assume, its only natural. As you yourself said, "There's tons of better PC games out there". Yes, there is. Modding is a big pro on PC, but not the only one, theres entire genres that thrive mainly on PC if you are into that types of games, like strategy, mobas (hate them but they are big), simulation, mmo's. Sure, they may be not everyones cup of tea, but they exist and cater to many.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 67	Posted - 2014.05.06 13:14:00 - [9] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: when it comes to FPS console>PC Absolutely incorrect. Depends on the factors you are measuring. If you are going for realistic mechanics and hardware balance between players, console>PC. If you are going for the fastest turn speeds, unrealistic directional changes, unfeasible aim accuracy, higher framerates and greater graphics potential, PC>console. It just depends on what you are looking for. TIL consoles are realistic.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 67	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:15:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah I agree that consoles are nicer on the living room, especially if you use it for socialization with visitors / family. Not saying the same isnt possible with PC's, bur they arent as convenient. Perhaps future Steam boxes change that, but thats not yet a thing. Still, I like having my man cave, where I can withdrawn from the world and concentrate for a few hours without worrying about whats going on in the house, whos crossing my livingroom, letting my wife watch her netflix, etc. I think the "standardization" of competition argument is somewhat exaggerated. There will be people with advantages in all platforms, but that really dosent mean they will be able to seize the advantage. Consoles have all sorts of different input methods as well, cheap and accessible. If they these adapttions are good or not on console comes down to how well you adjust to it, how well you can levarage that advantage. Some people will say its gold, others will say its crap. Its like saying, on the PC, a high mega super DPI mouse will give you an immediate advantage. I disagree, and I play on a med, regular DPI mouse that isnt even a gamer mouse without problems.

Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 69	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:03:00 - [11] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Hey, PC dumbfuck, there's A LOT BETTER REASONS TO BUY A PC THEN LEGION. And I still didn't, wonder why? Stop being a rich white boy prick and never ask people to buy something expensive again to keep up, elitist jerk. If a PC is expensive, so is the PS4.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 69	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:50:00 - [12] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I got out of pc gaming back in the mid 2000. And I'm glad I did. It's perhaps the costliest investment I've ever made. No one game is worth going back to pc. And a $300 rig will not run Legion in its full potential. If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. A lot of the newer games are starting to push graphics to the next level. Every owner out there who's built their own pc is a essentially a whole different system. It's like having hundreds of different PlayStations out there and none of them are the same. And all the variations of software, drivers, etc..it's no wonder pc games get contant bug issues. But it's the hardware upgrades in the long term that gets you. There's a reason why pc games have a "recommended" spec for your pc. Because if you don't have that. You're not running smooth. Legion needs to hit the PS4 sooner than later. There's a lot of horsepower under that hood that can handle Legion. The later CCP ports this over to PS4 means that they'll have spent less time knowing the system to max it's potential. PC's aren't worth one game. I hope you are aware that a PS4 is no better than a $600 PC, that a PS4 wont play a game on its maximum settings, and that a PS4 is non upgradable.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 69	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:54:00 - [13] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ender Storm wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Hey, PC dumbfuck, there's A LOT BETTER REASONS TO BUY A PC THEN LEGION. And I still didn't, wonder why? Stop being a rich white boy prick and never ask people to buy something expensive again to keep up, elitist jerk. If a PC is expensive, so is the PS4. PS4 = 400 Decent PC = 800 Or you can waste money, get a cheap PC that'll be dated in a few years, and torture yourself. I think you honestly believe your own crap, sad. This. Here you go, about $400 to beat a PS4, if dot already own a kbm. if not add some $60 more. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3EPNf
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 69	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:27:00 - [14] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc I got out of pc gaming back in the mid 2000. And I'm glad I did. It's perhaps the costliest investment I've ever made. No one game is worth going back to pc. And a $300 rig will not run Legion in its full potential. If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. A lot of the newer games are starting to push graphics to the next level. Every owner out there who's built their own pc is a essentially a whole different system. It's like having hundreds of different PlayStations out there and none of them are the same. And all the variations of software, drivers, etc..it's no wonder pc games get contant bug issues. But it's the hardware upgrades in the long term that gets you. There's a reason why pc games have a "recommended" spec for your pc. Because if you don't have that. You're not running smooth. Legion needs to hit the PS4 sooner than later. There's a lot of horsepower under that hood that can handle Legion. The later CCP ports this over to PS4 means that they'll have spent less time knowing the system to max it's potential. PC's aren't worth one game. I hope you are aware that a PS4 is no better than a $600 PC, that a PS4 wont play a game on its maximum settings, and that a PS4 is non upgradable. I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen. Upgrading the internals is a choice. You really dont need to, its an option. Like, my gpu GTX 570 has already 2 years in it, and I know it still has power in it to continue going. It wont run at max some games, but many games do run in max and I have no complaints about it. My CPU is still an E8400. Again no complaints over it, and the feel to upgrade to an i5 or i7 is purelly a buy desire, not a necessity. Ram, my Ram is only 4gb, it runs things ok, I could use an ram upgrade, but chose not and bling my PC next year no a net build, more out of a desire for a new toy than out of necessity. nd the good thing is that half my parts will carry over.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 70	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:34:00 - [15] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen. Better for the long run? You know we're in 'the long run' of the PS3 right? Jake Diesel wrote: If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. Why? When a PC version on medium graphics is already better than the PS4 in many cases today, would you HAVE to run every game on maximum graphics? You know the PS4 can't render in 1080p? It has to render in 720p and upscale that to your TVs native resolution. Even though it has low level API access (something PCs don't have yet) it still can't keep up with a mid range PC. In 3-4 more years people are gonna be complaining about the PS4 like they are complaining about the PS3... Yeah, and very soon the low level API will be common on PC, as the API isnt exclusive to the consoles. AMD has mantle already on their new cards, and Microsoft is due to release the new directX API wich will make use as well of low level API's, thus widening even more the gap as any application coded with DX will have the ability to use that boost, aka it will probablt be manufacturer independant.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 70	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:57:00 - [16] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Here you go, about $400 to beat a PS4, if not already own a kbm. if not add some $60 more. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3EPNf for other base builds http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/builds Of course, you can bling a build to oblivion if you hav emoney for it to extract every bit of detail, but if you want the Ps4 experience, this will sufice. I love peole that read what they link!!! in your second Link Revision 3! A small form factor Home Theater PC ideal for light gaming, oldschool gaming, console emulators, streaming, and making use of Steam's In-Home Streaming feature (currently in beta). Please note: this is not designed as a primary gaming system, and is not built like one. The small case, built-in PSU, and APU drastically limit upgrade potential, and the performance is below that of the next-gen consoles. However, it is capable of modern games and it is much stronger than the last-gen consoles. Wikis gonna be wikis. The last part of that paragraph is wrong, and the previous info is correct that an HTPC isnt for gaming. But hey, here is your medal (*=).
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 71	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:14:00 - [17] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: I am fully aware of all that. I used to build my own pc's. And not upgrading the internals IS the reason I got the PS4. Better for the long run. Plus, unless you're running some high end screen, you'll never get beyond 1080p which I like to run on my 50" LED screen. Better for the long run? You know we're in 'the long run' of the PS3 right? Jake Diesel wrote: If you can't run this game, or any other high profile game with max settings without a drop in framerate. Then it's not worth investing. Why? When a PC version on medium graphics is already better than the PS4 in many cases today, would you HAVE to run every game on maximum graphics? You know the PS4 can't render in 1080p? It has to render in 720p and upscale that to your TVs native resolution. Even though it has low level API access (something PCs don't have yet) it still can't keep up with a mid range PC. In 3-4 more years people are gonna be complaining about the PS4 like they are complaining about the PS3... Actually, the max resolution I would even care for would be 1080p. And where exactly are you getting your info regarding "rendering" at 720p and upscaling? When pretty much every developer, including Hideo Kojima of MGS Ground Zeroes stated that the PS4 "renders" in 1080p. Is there some secret pc lingo I don't know about where the term "render" means two different things? I think the Ps4 can render stuff at 1080p, not all tittles suport it and there are reports of it not being consistent throughout a title, like diferences between single and multiplayers modes. They will have to seek a balance within the hardware. It will probably be high dependant on the developer, the quality of the graphics they want to show, and the framerate they want to maintain (30 or 60 fps).
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 71	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:15:00 - [18] - Quote I would say Legion falls far from these, hehe. Despite being EVE-related, the rhythm of the game is neither slow nor fast paced, it tried to be in between and it feels odd, especially with the bland maps with little variation. Legion will succeed if they revamp the game, with a renewed pace. If they simply port it to PC, it already falls short of many F2P tittles already present on the platform. I like the PS4, PS isnt my main gaming platform, but I like the games that come out with it. I will be getting it in the future, when its more mature, with a greater library and cheaper. Getting it now dosen't carry much advantage for me.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 71	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:48:00 - [19] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Did you ever consider the RL money cost? PS4 - subscription & just buying it plus up keep & games. PC cost, plus subsccription, games & up-keep. Friends being lost on console. Then living costs etc. People aren't going to do it just for Legion nor will they stay long. Be realistic. In 10 years if you did both systems it'll add up enough to buy 2-3 used vehicles. Well, you dont have subscriptions on PC, unless the games you play ask for it. Meanwhile, I think PS requires subscription to be able to play online (Plus). You get games with plus, true, but I think the moment you unsub Plus you lose access to the games. But speaking abouts costs, well, gaming is pretty much a hobby, perhaps not a healthy one, but it is. So better not think too much what you could buy with the game spent on electronic bits, and rather think about the enjoyment you pull out of that. Also, need to compare what you spend in the gaming and what you would spend in alternative activities. Like, 1 month of EVE subscription here where I live equal to a so-so meal at the shopping mall. I chose to pay for EVE.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 73	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:08:00 - [20] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: First build: No price for harddrive (+$100) No bluray drive (+$50) No blurray movie software (+$50) No OS (+$100) NO KB/M (+$20) Case Fans (+$10) Hey right there is $330 you omitted from that build. OF course that PC is going to take 2-3 times more electricity as well. Now let me guess your response: Pirate windows Pirate blurray software (yes you have to have this, I own a blurray on my PC, there is no built-in software for it) You should already have a KB/M blah blah blah Also, that setup is not going to beat a Ps4 in anyway shape or form. Ps4 has nearly no overhead for an OS, games are actually "optimized" for one type of hardware(I know, PC guys don't understand optimization.) In 3-4 years that PS4 will still play all of the latest games, just like the PS3 plays a ton of games that a 7800 GTX will not anymore. You can get a nice hardrive for $60. Add there, like I said, the kbm cost. Windows too. It will add about $200 in the end, true. But for the added utility of a PC over a PS, I dont mind, especially since many parts can last thru several builds. Why in the freaking world would you want a bluray drive, or worse, a bluray app on a gaming pc escapes me. The case comes packed already with fans. You cant compare a PS3 with a gpu that was available at the time, because when PS3 came out it was a freaking good machine, not a mid-level pc like the PS4. I believe also at the time the price was a lot stepier than the new version in todays values. Yeah, the PS4 is hyper optimized, using just about 50% of its ram for the OS http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/ The reason the consoles still run new games is that the games are held back (ops, "optimized") because of the old hardware that dosent evolve, while on PC they see releases with advanced graphics and more options to make things look pretier - if you want them too, because the quality of the game is in your hands.

Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 74	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:20:00 - [21] - Quote Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ender Storm wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: Stop spending money in game right now, and save it for a PC, you have one maybe 2 years to save up so there will be no excuse. Pros: You still get to play a better Dust514 You now have a PC A new library of games become available including past Console titles for free via roms and emlators with the use of a control pad too. Better DPI with M/KB Input You are now in the master race club (I joke I joke) You can upgrade hard ware Cons: Everyone will call you a CCP lapdog, PC elitist, egger, traitor, or otherwise. All my online friends are on PSN Its sort of hard to lie on my couch and play with a M/KB..... Adapting to KB/M input PC takes up too much room meaning wife kicks you out of lounge (lol I can relate) PC Require more maintenance, antivirus software, driver updates etc Hey, PC dumbfuck, there's A LOT BETTER REASONS TO BUY A PC THEN LEGION. And I still didn't, wonder why? Stop being a rich white boy prick and never ask people to buy something expensive again to keep up, elitist jerk. If a PC is expensive, so is the PS4. PS4 = 400 Decent PC = 800 Or you can waste money, get a cheap PC that'll be dated in a few years, and torture yourself. I think you honestly believe your own crap, sad. 800 but upgradable and more utility and cheaper games. In the long run this may cost you less, but even if not, the difference is really not big enough to play the "rich boy" card. High end gaming is a luxury, no matter how you put it. The funny thing is that they think the PS4 wont get as dated as the cheap same performance PC.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 75	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:29:00 - [22] - Quote Agreed, gaming gear, run from it like it was the devil. Overpriced stuf that will most likelly break.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 75	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:05:00 - [23] - Quote I still use a logitech Mx 500 mouse. It must have about 10 years of continuous use. The plastic logitech logo have even weared out from it, lol. Its a charm of a mouse.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 75	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:38:00 - [24] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Koshh Seere wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: First build: No price for harddrive (+$100) No bluray drive (+$50) No blurray movie software (+$50) No OS (+$100) NO KB/M (+$20) Case Fans (+$10) Hey right there is $330 you omitted from that build. OF course that PC is going to take 2-3 times more electricity as well. Now let me guess your response: Pirate windows Pirate blurray software (yes you have to have this, I own a blurray on my PC, there is no built-in software for it) You should already have a KB/M blah blah blah Also, that setup is not going to beat a Ps4 in anyway shape or form. Ps4 has nearly no overhead for an OS, games are actually "optimized" for one type of hardware(I know, PC guys don't understand optimization.) In 3-4 years that PS4 will still play all of the latest games, just like the PS3 plays a ton of games that a 7800 GTX will not anymore. You can get a nice hardrive for $60. Add there, like I said, the kbm cost. Windows too. It will add about $200 in the end, true. But for the added utility of a PC over a PS, I dont mind, especially since many parts can last thru several builds. Why in the freaking world would you want a bluray drive, or worse, a bluray app on a gaming pc escapes me. The case comes packed already with fans. You cant compare a PS3 with a gpu that was available at the time, because when PS3 came out it was a freaking good machine, not a mid-level pc like the PS4. I believe also at the time the price was a lot stepier than the new version in todays values. Yeah, the PS4 is hyper optimized, using just about 50% of its ram for the OS http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/ The reason the consoles still run new games is that the games are held back (ops, "optimized") because of the old hardware that dosent evolve, while on PC they see releases with advanced graphics and more options to make things look pretier - if you want them too, because the quality of the game is in your hands. #1 The link you posted is PCnazi fluff, not backed up by a single developer or sony. #2 No you need to add the bluray, thats another $100 (the drive is $50 and the move playing software and there is no freeware for that, I have checked) so that is $100 for windows $100 for blurray functionality $65 as per newegg for a HDD $20 for a crappy mouse/KB which puts another $285 above the cost of what you originally quoted for a gaming PC that will not be as proficient at games, will cost at least an extra $30 per year in electricity (hey the same price you can get PSPlus for all of the time), and no perpetual free triple A games (because of the free Plus due to electrical savings). In the end though, Like I have said, most gaming develoment money will always head towards consoles because that is where the money is at. Sure, if you spend 2-3 times as much as you would on a Ps4 you can get a little prettier graphics, but you will be playing the same game, designed with the same limitations as the console has. Face it, gaming is centered around consoles, not PC. Consoles are cheaper, you can own a console without an internet connect (like half of the planet BTW), the community is WAY nicer/funner, and you will always have the majority of development money thrown at your platform rather than the PC dungeon N4zis. Are you saying I can't have my pc without internet for gaming? Also you ad hominem arguments against pc players really should get you banned imho. Who sells computer games anymore? Even if you find some magical vendor that does actually sell PC releases, they are going to fleece you, and you still will not be able to trade them in after purchase, oh and quite a few PC games require at least a primary authentication through the internet. And so we come to the truth of it, you are upset because your B.S. PCmasterrace is basically just smoke and mirrors, and now that someone is succesfully showing that A) you will lie in order to try to make PC gaming better and B) consoles are way cheaper, of higher priority, and better for the majority of the planet (whether that be through less power use or because most of the planet doesn't have internet) Why would i want to trade in a game, wich I paid cheaper than the console counterpart, in some cases less than $1 with humble bundles? The moment you trade in a game, you lose it, thus having to own a limited library of pre-owned disks. Your arguments are pretty uninformed, as PC's are having better financial performance than consoles. And most developers do multiple platform releases. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/28/as-global-pc-game-revenue-surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/ http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-01-28-pc-gaming-market-to-exceed-USD25-billion-this-year-dfc http://gearnuke.com/pc-dominates-market-51-console-30-mobile-13-according-new-report/