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Well I am just going to ask a simple open ended question, and let me just, in advance, apologise if this causes some forum rage etc...

Do you think that maybe CCP or even the CPM should of reached out to the Dust 514 players going to Fanfest. Players like Zatara and I who don-¦t play eve and just Dust. Players like myself who don-¦t even attend the eve keynote because we don-¦t play eve. Seriously though, as a person: IWS, CPM, and CCP what am I supposed to take from FF 2014. Betrayal is coming to my mind

Hey ReG

Do you really need my opinion on the whole FF thing ? Coz i m pretty sure you know where i stand. I have no idea how i would have react if i was the one finding this out on the spot after investing in a plane ticket and a FF pass. Well actually, i'm pretty sure i would have torched something.

Thanks man,

Sorry If I came off blunt and douchy there. Honestly caz, you're one of the cooler cats and I appreciate your silent protest, to me, it was worth something. This experience with FF has left a very bitter taste in my mouth not just with CCP but the gaming industry as a whole. Luckily, Iceland is an amazing place, so THAT PART WAS REALLY FUN.

I just wish someone winked or even hinted just a slight nudge. The worst part was that all Devs and some CPM just smiled and waved until the impending doom.

meh it is what it is


also please don't hate on IWS, too much (He is cute and cuddly, in his own unique way)

You guys are meant to be representing the community. Part of the problem was probably that CCP made it hard for you to meet that responsibility. There was probably also something you could have done but didn't see at the time. I don't know how significant either side of that was. That's for you to know, and live with.

We went through the same thought processes and discussed options with concequences of their future impacts and we knew that quitting back then would have probably made cpm 0 the last cpm and that would not be absolutely fair to the rest of the community. Also we realized we probably overplayed the 'we are going to quit card.' A card we mostly played over 'why even have a cpm' in the past when cpm was at its weakest state which has probably caused a level of mistrust between the cpm and various members of the company. Just like in real life politics every person has thier own opininion and even if you convince the people you think are in charge, the people in the majority it only takes a very few folks to override the best laid out plans.

CPM is in that very weird position where saying 'we told you so' in a rather immature manner is so tempting but the CPM realizes we're at the critical point of being legitimized as a needed organization. We had a half day summit yesterday and you cannot belive how much progress was made for empowering the community. If those talks turn into green lights you will see the impact soon enough and we're having another full day summit today.

The fact we didnt quit as allowed us to help shape things up for legion and possibly and fallback for dust as well such as the ewn progression system was made under advisement of the CPM as the original model presented to teh cpm would have infurated everyone including the most die hard of fanboys for the game

.....playing the smallest, saddest song...on the world's smallest violin.................just for you.

I don't quite understand the word 'possibly' here. I think its because I don't have trust in CCP. Anything that hasn't happened yet can not be predicted. The effort IWS and CPM have put in, have they beared product? Do we have tangible evidence that the CPM has been any sort of guiding force for CCP? Please don't cite any of the reactionary movements from over this weekend as I feel 5000 people have participated in those actions, not just CPM.

You've fought for the expansion of the powers of CPM. But right now, does that matter? Dust will still need player feedback while it sits on the back burner. I would hazard to say that CPM doesn't need to exist for that. CPM could be helpful in Legion but it wouldn't be elected by the playerbase from that game.

Why then, should the CPM continue?

Thanks man,

Sorry If I came off blunt and douchy there. Honestly caz, you're one of the cooler cats and I appreciate your silent protest, to me, it was worth something. This experience with FF has left a very bitter taste in my mouth not just with CCP but the gaming industry as a whole. Luckily, Iceland is an amazing place, so THAT PART WAS REALLY FUN.

I just wish someone winked or even hinted just a slight nudge. The worst part was that all Devs and some CPM just smiled and waved until the impending doom.

meh it is what it is


also please don't hate on IWS, too much (He is cute and cuddly, in his own unique way)

How did you not kill anyone?

Probably because he is a normal person and not a sociopath?

Thank you for painting a picture that is more accurate.

We went through the same thought processes and discussed options with concequences of their future impacts and we knew that quitting back then would have probably made cpm 0 the last cpm and that would not be absolutely fair to the rest of the community. Also we realized we probably overplayed the 'we are going to quit card.' A card we mostly played over 'why even have a cpm' in the past when cpm was at its weakest state which has probably caused a level of mistrust between the cpm and various members of the company. Just like in real life politics every person has thier own opininion and even if you convince the people you think are in charge, the people in the majority it only takes a very few folks to override the best laid out plans.

CPM is in that very weird position where saying 'we told you so' in a rather immature manner is so tempting but the CPM realizes we're at the critical point of being legitimized as a needed organization. We had a half day summit yesterday and you cannot belive how much progress was made for empowering the community. If those talks turn into green lights you will see the impact soon enough and we're having another full day summit today.


The fact we didnt quit as allowed us to help shape things up for legion and possibly and fallback for dust as well such as the ewn progression system was made under advisement of the CPM as the original model presented to teh cpm would have infurated everyone including the most die hard of fanboys for the game

@Garret

While you may have held several NDAs you probably never had Top Secret clearance. It only takes a breach of confidential complaint to pernamently revoke the clearance which shows up on public records it was revoked and that the difference between having a job with a clearance and a job and job without is rather significant in terms of wage and options. FBI and NSA headed up my investigation because I was foreign born of a non american citizen so the grilling was extra tough on me when I first got it. This is nearly as bad of a record to obtain in the states as being a federal criminal. You can't scrub that mark off at all and they're eventually going to find out if they dont at first.

Losing my security clearance would disallow me from working in medical because of the HiPPA, any branch of government setcors, and most technical jobs because its part of both national and company security most of the time.

Also anyonomous options?

LOWL; you're talking about the same company that can nail an eve botter's unaffiliated alt account made under every precaution avoiding being associated with his bots at all. A simple browse through some of the botter forums is sometimes all the entertainment I need. So what really makes you think a simple human powered investigation would not reveal who the anon is? CCP's IA and Security is a rather scary team of people because I am familar with thier capabilities.

Also I have to say your talks about how you would break the NDA means that likely you can kiss every and any chance of voulenteer work, ever running for anyting with CCP ever again.

FInally we had thought and measured out the concequences instead of acting out of passionate knee jerking. Doing anything you suggested was measured to have the lowest or reversal of impact; and not helped anything move forward. There is no way you can convince me or the rest of the CPM at this point an time that NDA breaching would have ever resulting in anything good.

and bottom line; there was about 6 people who claimed to have come across evidence of legion's nature. Not a single one was listened to. Free Beers amongst them. Confirmation Bias will be strnog with that one.

I mean if we all quit back then who would be doing the reality checks on ccp's pr campaign today???

What did you guys expected from CPM0? Seriously, nobody voted for them.They're all actual / former Eve players, so it's quite understandable they just don't give a **** about console only gamers. The only one I could trust was Caz.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

I am ex military and NEVER , ever did I hear about a VIDEO GAME needing top secret clearance from DIA, NSA, NRO, N DIA, M DIA.

I was going to add a lot more in this edit but a car bomb just went off a few blocks from here so I am going to go and have a look at the firefight and to see what Cartel it is this time doing the ruckus........


Talk to the sig.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

I am ex military and NEVER , ever did I hear about a VIDEO GAME needing top secret clearance from DIA, NSA, NRO, N DIA, M DIA.

I was going to add a lot more in this edit but a car bomb just went off a few blocks from here so I am going to go and have a look at the firefight and to see what Cartel it is this time doing the ruckus........


Talk to the sig.

Clever guys.

Because obviously, as someone involved in the CPM for DUST 514, the only possible thing IWS could have been doing his entire life is this one videogame. So logically, that has to be the source of and reason for his top secret clearance.

Just because SOME of us live our entire lives in the joys of gaming and our beloved forums, doesn't mean that holds true for everyone in the community - even those who are supposed to be responsible while they're here.

This thread... really just needs to be locked.

It was kind of funny at first but now its just sad...

Becuase nothing is gauranteed at this time. I dont want to say anything that basically confirms anything and its so easy to use grey words that reader base can translate to white or black if you get the drift. Legion for all I know could get red light instead of green lit. I cannot comment on the chances because I am not in those frevrent flurry of meetings. And despite Legion being out in the open the closed doors is NDAing any and every speculation so it does me or any of you any good to declare Legion's state. It is best to let CCP do that.

As for the CPM perception of power its very skewed and the only thing I will cite is that the CSM took 5 years to get where it is. The expectations of doing that in a year is massively rediculous with both Uprising 1.0 and Legion thrown on top of the current members. CPM expansion of responsibility is not a fight done alone; members of CCP have been participating as much as they could.

Ultimately the CPM should continue because Dust 514 is still running; there are players still playing and there are no plans to shut dust 514 anytime soon. An election for fresh members is certainly needed. They are still the best link between players and developers, they are still the best reality check CCP has well before the idea explodes on the community like it has, and they are still the best voices of the players when CCP needs it the most.

First, lets again be clear. I have no actual idea how serious breaking a CA/NDA is.

You're not really good at grasping the concept of:

Corporate Espionage
Conflict of Interests
Breach of Contracts.

IWS is still ****, but CA/NDAs are serious business.

And yes IWS, you could have been a "Conscious Objector" but no, you didn't.

I didn't phrase that right. I meant to say that it boggles my mind that people would think that's ok. to break the NDA. No reason to face those legal consequences for this particular instance. Now if CCP was bathing in the blood of orphans to stay young, well okay.