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The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2513	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:41:00 - [61] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: They continue to be silent which only serves to hurt us more. Some honesty would go a long way right now but they won't even do that. They really need to look into how they treat their customers and fans because to put it mildly it is crap. As much as I agree with most of what you're saying, that isn't true. We had Logibro posting here for a while: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159496&find=unread He's actually given some constructive answers, and while not always answering the question(s) he's quoting, he IS making an effort and it looks like he's trying to help us to understand how it all went so wrong. I agree but that he has been active but they are not meaningful answers. I could give those answers and I am nobody but you are correct they have been more "active". I should have worded my sentence more clearly. I would like to change it to this. They continue to give vague answers that don't answer any real questions. They are providing some feedback to us but it is useless to the actual question that was asked. They need to seriously look into how they treat their fan base and paying customers because the lack of respect and forethought is amazing and I am astonished that they announced Legion like they did and I am continuously let down by their lack of meaningful answers from loyal customers and fans. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2513	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:44:00 - [62] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: There are some people who are upset because they wanted the game on PS4 and having it on PC instead is somehow unreasonable. There are MORE people who are upset because CCP blatantly lied to us about the direction they're taking, both in the short term AND the long term, and convinced many of us to invest money in the direction they had promised then turned around to say that money was going to something completely different. People feel wronged BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN WRONGED. This announcement was not just poorly-handled. It was OFFENSIVELY handled. This "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 617	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:44:00 - [63] - Quote I don't expect the CPM to break an NDA, its a signed legal contract. What do they do after this? Commercial law differs across countries, in Australia you could report something like that as false advertising or misleading conduct to the ACCC and be protected under law but I wouldn't expect a group of gamers to be able to realistically analyse a legal situation in a foreign country. So that really leaves resigning en masse. They'd have to weigh that up against the option to stay and try and engage in damage control, which would be best? Hard to say but IMHO, while you don't resign over trivial garbage this is such a seismic event that the balance comes down pretty heavily on warning the players. People are being misled into spending money, its not just about platform butthurt. They should have resigned so people could have been informed and made their own choice as to whether to spend that money with full disclosure.
TheGoebel Blue Solutions 108	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:12:00 - [64] - Quote I couldn't sleep, this thread is bothering me and I have yet to post anything on any forum related to this issue but I couldn't shake this. I am happy the CPM didn't break NDA. The NDA is an integral part of what makes a construction like the CPM/CSM work. That being said, I think if the whole of CPM resigned at the same time. namely after being shown legion, no NDA would be broken and the community would see the red flag. That's a bit sensationalist though, if the CPM resigned how could they help CCP do some community management, release news of this appropriately? I in no way believe CPM/CSM members had any hand in the Legion announcement being the Dust keynote. But you know what you can do? You can resign now. As CPM. you haven't been listened to, there's no reason to believe you will be listened to and the most effective use of your position is to make a news story out of it. Its your call, but I can tell you from here, it would be the best thing for the current council members to do.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 146	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:15:00 - [65] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: What do you think the CPM should have done JohnnyAugust? I'm genuinely curious what you think the CPM could have done differently that they did not. Easy, they should have all stepped down. This is the only possible course of action they could have taken because: A. It would not break the NDA and B. IT would be an unmistakable signal to the playerbase that something was wrong. Instead they did nothing, and became complicit in the theft of real life money that has been perpetrated over the last 6 months. CPM are just as much thieves in their in-action as the developers who misrepresented the future of the game to increase profits. grinds the palms of his hands into this face yet again Can you all stop? Seriously? Are there any adults on these forums? I was under the impression that teenagers were in the minority here. Yes, okay, the reveal of Legion was about as bad a ****-up as BP's public relations after the Gulf oil spill, and I don't feel like I'm exaggerating when I say that. There is no conspiracy. There is no evil plot. It's time to stop the rumormongering and get back to reality. I would be less inclined to respect CPM0 if they all just left because they didn't like CCP's plan for the reveal. I'm glad they stayed where they were and kept trying to convince CCP to change their minds. Bailing out is a cheap move. Most reasonable post I've seen in days Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2057	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:24:00 - [66] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: I don't expect the CPM to break an NDA, its a signed legal contract. What do they do after this? Commercial law differs across countries, in Australia you could report something like that as false advertising or misleading conduct to the ACCC and be protected under law but I wouldn't expect a group of gamers to be able to realistically analyse a legal situation in a foreign country. So that really leaves resigning en masse. They'd have to weigh that up against the option to stay and try and engage in damage control, which would be best? Hard to say but IMHO, while you don't resign over trivial garbage this is such a seismic event that the balance comes down pretty heavily on warning the players. People are being misled into spending money, its not just about platform butthurt. They should have resigned so people could have been informed and made their own choice as to whether to spend that money with full disclosure. I agree. The paramount responsibility was to warn the players, whether by resigning or by some other means. What CCP did was deceitful and unethical, and the CPM was fully aware of it. At this point, for me at least, Both CCP and their appointed CPM have absolutely no credibility, and the idea of logging in and playing DUST is distasteful. Likewise for EVE. New Eden is beautiful, but she's working for a scumbag. Caz if you're out there, you have my respect. o7 I support SP rollover.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5183	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:26:00 - [67] - Quote Kelestia Colvolian wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: grinds the palms of his hands into this face yet again Can you all stop? Seriously? Are there any adults on these forums? I was under the impression that teenagers were in the minority here. Yes, okay, the reveal of Legion was about as bad a **-up as BP's public relations after the Gulf oil spill, and I don't feel like I'm exaggerating when I say that. There is no conspiracy. There is no evil plot. It's time to stop the rumormongering and get back to reality. I would be less inclined to respect CPM0 if they all just left because they didn't like CCP's plan for the reveal. I'm glad they stayed where they were and kept trying to convince CCP to change their minds. Bailing out is a cheap move. This is some of the biggest bollocks I've read on the forums this weekend. There was conspiracy, there was an evil plot. That is the whole f* point, for f's sake! Read Ripard Teg's blog post: http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/fanfest-day-two-red-wedding.html Ripard was on the CSM, the EVE version of the CPM and he makes it plain that everyone at CCP knew for "months and months" that DUST was going to be abandoned. We were kept in the dark the whole time so that CCP could continue to make money from us. There's your f** evil plot right there. I wouldn't expect the CPM to break their NDAs but they should have resigned en masse when it became clear that CCP was intent on this path of fraud. That would have been the sign to us that there was something rotten in the state of Iceland. But the CPM did nothing. They just sat there. And even now, that class-A prick, Iron Wolf Sabre, continues to mock us and take the . CCP and the CPM were both well out of order during this entire process. And until people realise and hold them 100% accountable for their f* ups and outright frauds, we're all going to sleepwalk into exactly the same bollocks with Legion. The sheer amount of tinfoil hat in this post is astonishing.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9435	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:27:00 - [68] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kelestia Colvolian wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: grinds the palms of his hands into this face yet again Can you all stop? Seriously? Are there any adults on these forums? I was under the impression that teenagers were in the minority here. Yes, okay, the reveal of Legion was about as bad a **-up as BP's public relations after the Gulf oil spill, and I don't feel like I'm exaggerating when I say that. There is no conspiracy. There is no evil plot. It's time to stop the rumormongering and get back to reality. I would be less inclined to respect CPM0 if they all just left because they didn't like CCP's plan for the reveal. I'm glad they stayed where they were and kept trying to convince CCP to change their minds. Bailing out is a cheap move. This is some of the biggest bollocks I've read on the forums this weekend. There was conspiracy, there was an evil plot. That is the whole f* point, for f's sake! Read Ripard Teg's blog post: http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/fanfest-day-two-red-wedding.html Ripard was on the CSM, the EVE version of the CPM and he makes it plain that everyone at CCP knew for "months and months" that DUST was going to be abandoned. We were kept in the dark the whole time so that CCP could continue to make money from us. There's your f** evil plot right there. I wouldn't expect the CPM to break their NDAs but they should have resigned en masse when it became clear that CCP was intent on this path of fraud. That would have been the sign to us that there was something rotten in the state of Iceland. But the CPM did nothing. They just sat there. And even now, that class-A prick, Iron Wolf Sabre, continues to mock us and take the . CCP and the CPM were both well out of order during this entire process. And until people realise and hold them 100% accountable for their f* ups and outright frauds, we're all going to sleepwalk into exactly the same bollocks with Legion. The sheer amount of tinfoil hat in this post is astonishing. I've seen worse. -
Major 0nslaught Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:29:00 - [69] - Quote iws touched me inappropriately..
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14717	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:29:00 - [70] - Quote TheGoebel wrote: Edit: Post above me get to it first. Curse my slow typing. Still, the point remains the same. I couldn't sleep, this thread is bothering me and I have yet to post anything on any forum related to this issue but I couldn't shake this. I am happy the CPM didn't break NDA. The NDA is an integral part of what makes a construction like the CPM/CSM work. That being said, I think if the whole of CPM resigned at the same time. namely after being shown legion, no NDA would be broken and the community would see the red flag. That's a bit sensationalist though, if the CPM resigned how could they help CCP do some community management, release news of this appropriately? I in no way believe CPM/CSM members had any hand in the Legion announcement being the Dust keynote. But you know what you can do? You can resign now. As CPM. you haven't been listened to, there's no reason to believe you will be listened to and the most effective use of your position is to make a news story out of it. Its your call, but I can tell you from here, it would be the best thing for the current council members to do. Thank you for painting a picture that is more accurate. We went through the same thought processes and discussed options with concequences of their future impacts and we knew that quitting back then would have probably made cpm 0 the last cpm and that would not be absolutely fair to the rest of the community. Also we realized we probably overplayed the 'we are going to quit card.' A card we mostly played over 'why even have a cpm' in the past when cpm was at its weakest state which has probably caused a level of mistrust between the cpm and various members of the company. Just like in real life politics every person has thier own opininion and even if you convince the people you think are in charge, the people in the majority it only takes a very few folks to override the best laid out plans. CPM is in that very weird position where saying 'we told you so' in a rather immature manner is so tempting but the CPM realizes we're at the critical point of being legitimized as a needed organization. We had a half day summit yesterday and you cannot belive how much progress was made for empowering the community. If those talks turn into green lights you will see the impact soon enough and we're having another full day summit today. @Garret While you may have held several NDAs you probably never had Top Secret clearance. It only takes a breach of confidential complaint to pernamently revoke the clearance which shows up on public records it was revoked and that the difference between having a job with a clearance and a job and job without is rather significant in terms of wage and options. FBI and NSA headed up my investigation because I was foreign born of a non american citizen so the grilling was extra tough on me when I first got it. This is nearly as bad of a record to obtain in the states as being a federal criminal. You can't scrub that mark off at all and they're eventually going to find out if they dont at first. Losing my security clearance would disallow me from working in medical because of the HiPPA, any branch of government setcors, and most technical jobs because its part of both national and company security most of the time. Also anyonomous options? LOWL; you're talking about the same company that can nail an eve botter's unaffiliated alt account made under every precaution avoiding being associated with his bots at all. A simple browse through some of the botter forums is sometimes all the entertainment I need. So what really makes you think a simple human powered investigation would not reveal who the anon is? CCP's IA and Security is a rather scary team of people because I am familar with thier capabilities. Also I have to say your talks about how you would break the NDA means that likely you can kiss every and any chance of voulenteer work, ever running for anyting with CCP ever again. FInally we had thought and measured out the concequences instead of acting out of passionate knee jerking. Doing anything you suggested was measured to have the lowest or reversal of impact; and not helped anything move forward. There is no way you can convince me or the rest of the CPM at this point an time that NDA breaching would have ever resulting in anything good. and bottom line; there was about 6 people who claimed to have come across evidence of legion's nature. Not a single one was listened to. Free beers amongst them. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2206	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:48:00 - [71] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would like to add that in retrospec resigning back then as a whole would have probably been the most shelfish and probably cowardly thing the cpm could have done. Took a bit of convincing internally to keep what we could onboard. Caz was an unfourtunate loss I would have loved to continued to work with him on the transition. I mean if we all quit back then who would be doing the reality checks on ccp's pr campaign today??? Anyways more words to be had tommrow at the full scheduled summit. Minutes processing is.... going to be a learning exercise unfourutunately for the CPM and CCP Shanghai as it will be the first ever done. Rolling on the fuckin floor laughing my fuckin ass out ! Not like many good seems to have been done. Oh god, if only i could talk about everything. Oh god, i even hadnt seen the last post Bucket of BS served directly in IV This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : Dont. "Flee, you fools"
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 146	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:52:00 - [72] - Quote Yeah, to be honest, your discussing Caz's involvement like that is pretty inappropriate, given the power dynamic created by the NDA and your continued involvement with CCP.
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 344	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:53:00 - [73] - Quote Free ticket to a party in Europe trumps the dust community apparently.
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 146	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:54:00 - [74] - Quote WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: Yeah, to be honest, your discussing Caz's involvement like that is pretty inappropriate, given the power dynamic created by the NDA and your continued involvement with CCP. Like, there are contractual obligations limiting his right of reply, yeah?
lron Wolf Saber Commando Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:01:00 - [75] - Quote WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: Yeah, to be honest, your discussing Caz's involvement like that is pretty inappropriate, given the power dynamic created by the NDA and your continued involvement with CCP. Like, there are contractual obligations limiting his right of reply, yeah? Yes but what you're forgetting is that I'm a total fucking scrotum.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2206	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:04:00 - [76] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You also have to realize I cannot go around breaking NDA contracts; that would lead to my own loss of my own top secret clearance. FBI takes that ** seriously. Also if the NDA was that insignificant why didnt Caz spill the beans? he resigned and yet didn't say anything. I dont think that makes him hero material either. Oh and i missed that one as well ! You can seriously bite me dude especially as you're the absolute prototype of the "being CPM strokes my epeen" kind of guy. Yes NDA are serious *, no i didnt break it and go public. There's a limit to what i'll risk regarding a videogame involvment. Yet, i didnt just do nothing. Not like what seems to have been happening since i left CPM. The most i was able to do, i DID. Not for ego, not for the look of it, but because that felt right. FYI, i even checked with a lawyer if NDA was something i could just override. Turned out it wasnt. I'm absolutely shocked that you even dare open your mouth on this or even make a comment about me. This post is the perfect example of your state of mind and how\why you do things. You talk hero material ? Who said that ? Not me. Not anyone. But the simple fact ppl may find someone else's action better than your seems to always make you tilt. Bottom line : Get Life and dont ever mention me again. This Char i only use on the forum.* To contact me : Dont. "Flee, you fools"
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2214	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:19:00 - [77] - Quote Oh i'm getting likes. Well it's not 14K but at least they're genuine. "Oh no he didnt !" He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14720	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:31:00 - [78] - Quote Caz there people are asking for the whole ass you only did half of the ass and you and I both know that there was no way in hell any of us could deliver on the whole ass. Also thank you for disputing Garret's claim on how useless the NDA and proving my point it was something we couldn't just break on a whim. Also measuring likes is like measuring KDR nearly effing useless as the video game stats. As for the getting a life advise I suggest you follow it much more closely; you're obsessing over this a bit too much. I told you as a friend to not hurt yourself over this and you are doing just that. Don't hurt yourself any further. Because I was fine not mentioning you at all until you started attacking me on various outlets. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2068	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:33:00 - [79] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caz there people are asking for the whole ass you only did half of the ass and you and I both know that there was no way in hell any of us could deliver on the whole ass. And some of us didn't want you to break NDA, but simply resign. You were representing the Dust players, not the Legion players. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2216	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:34:00 - [80] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caz there people are asking for the whole ass you only did half of the ass and you and I both know that there was no way in hell any of us could deliver on the whole ass. Also thank you for disputing Garret's claim on how useless the NDA and proving my point it was something we couldn't just break on a whim. Also measuring likes is like measuring KDR. You missed the shut it, dont ever mention me again did you ? And for that ? oooooooooooooooooook He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising

Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2216	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:37:00 - [81] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caz there people are asking for the whole ass you only did half of the ass and you and I both know that there was no way in hell any of us could deliver on the whole ass. And some of us didn't want you to break NDA, but simply resign. You were representing the Dust players, not the Legion players. that + 10 millions. I suppose keeping the possibility to stroke epeen some more in the future was more interesting than doing even the tiniest thing to mark solidarity with the poor actual player, poor buggers situation. But hey, CPM0 was basically 100% PC eve players. So surprise much ? He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14721	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:39:00 - [82] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caz there people are asking for the whole ass you only did half of the ass and you and I both know that there was no way in hell any of us could deliver on the whole ass. Also thank you for disputing Garret's claim on how useless the NDA and proving my point it was something we couldn't just break on a whim. Also measuring likes is like measuring KDR. You missed the shut it, dont ever mention me again did you ? And for that ? oooooooooooooooooook No; Garret's point cant be hit by the person he's aiming at. It can only be hit by people who side with him. So thank you for proving how stupid this whole conversation is. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2217	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:43:00 - [83] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caz there people are asking for the whole ass you only did half of the ass and you and I both know that there was no way in hell any of us could deliver on the whole ass. Also thank you for disputing Garret's claim on how useless the NDA and proving my point it was something we couldn't just break on a whim. Also measuring likes is like measuring KDR. You missed the shut it, dont ever mention me again did you ? And for that ? oooooooooooooooooook No; Garret's point cant be hit by the person he's aiming at. It can only be hit by people who side with him. So thank you for proving how stupid this whole conversation is. You only see what pleases you dont you ? So the whole point here is about NDA ? I really dont think so. Nor does 99% of the people out there. But hey, keep living the dream, one day you'll be praised for your action coz damn u deserv it girl ! He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 150	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:45:00 - [84] - Quote IWS: There is -nobody- in your corner. Does your total lack of social awareness blind you to that? You are basically sitting in a room full of people glaring at you, merrily chortling about how right you are as if someone there supports you.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2217	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:46:00 - [85] - Quote WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: IWS: There is -nobody- in your corner. Does your total lack of social awareness blind you to that? You are basically sitting in a room full of people glaring at you, merrily chortling about how right you are as if someone there supports you. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH ! He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 150	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:47:00 - [86] - Quote Your legacy isn't going to be your investment in taking notes at meetings or engaging with the playerbase, it's going to be walking into hostile situations and just shitting everywhere because you're just fundamentally broken as a person.
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 151	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:49:00 - [87] - Quote "Hey remember that time that the playerbase was really upset and digesting information it had just been slammed by and what was his name? IWS. IWS started a thread, not even responding to existing threads, just started a thread to engage in hostilities with the players? What the hell?"
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2219	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:49:00 - [88] - Quote WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: Your legacy isn't going to be your investment in taking notes at meetings or engaging with the playerbase, it's going to be walking into hostile situations and just shitting everywhere because you're just fundamentally broken as a person. But dude ! he has 14K likes ! And he frakin knows DEVS !!! He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 151	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:51:00 - [89] - Quote "Hey remember when Caz stuck to the NDA but couldn't abide by certain CCP decisions so walked away and IWS decided it was a good time to blurt out 'HE'S NO HERO, HE'S A QUITTER' or similar, knowing that Caz's right of reply was diminished by the NDA. WHAT A STAND UP FELLOW."
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14722	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:54:00 - [90] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caz there people are asking for the whole ass you only did half of the ass and you and I both know that there was no way in hell any of us could deliver on the whole ass. Also thank you for disputing Garret's claim on how useless the NDA and proving my point it was something we couldn't just break on a whim. Also measuring likes is like measuring KDR. You missed the shut it, dont ever mention me again did you ? And for that ? oooooooooooooooooook No; Garret's point cant be hit by the person he's aiming at. It can only be hit by people who side with him. So thank you for proving how stupid this whole conversation is. You only see what pleases you dont you ? So the whole point here is about NDA ? I really dont think so. Nor does 99% of the people out there. But hey, keep living the dream, one day you'll be praised for your action coz damn u deserv it girl ! You only see what pleases you human. Seeing the forums in turmoil; licking up the tears like some basalisk and stroking your own self inflicted ego at every negative post about dust 514 that crops up and your only goal is to intice more tears because it is how you fester. You're no hero, you're no saviour, you're no messiah so stop selling yourself so high becuase when that evaporates the fall is pretty hard. Also don't do anything stupid. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked



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