its debatable.

Integredity is doing the right thing when nobody is looking.

In analogy the cpm is holding on the rope between the community and a bottomless pit and I can never forgive myself if I let go of that rope of my own voilation.

As ex military I have seen far too many folks ways of life ending because the lack of integredity; sometimes a job, sometimes a limb, somtimes a life all because they or somone else did not do that one extra step; not standing that post; and not seeing something through to completion.

Skipping steps; quitting post, and abandoning supervision is simply not my style.

The cancelation of DUST PS3 development is not only CCPs failure but also CPM0s failure. Nova Knife attests that he was so mad when he heard the knews that we all heard at fanfest. So mad he did absolutely nothing to save the friends and fellow players of DUST for months. He coward in the shadows afraid to lose his position of being lap dog to CCP.

Easy, they should have all stepped down.

This is the only possible course of action they could have taken because:

A. It would not break the NDA

and

B. IT would be an unmistakable signal to the playerbase that something was wrong.

Instead they did nothing, and became complicit in the theft of real life money that has been perpetrated over the last 6 months. CPM are just as much thieves in their in-action as the developers who misrepresented the future of the game to increase profits.

"Integrity is doing the right thing when nobody is looking." (corrected spelling)

When we didn't know about the MASSIVE change in direction that Legion is going to be, and you did, we "weren't looking" at what you were doing. When CCP knowingly encouraged players to help fund the vision we had previously been told about WHILE KNOWING IT WAS NO LONGER PART OF THE PLAN, we "weren't looking" for you to step forward with your information.

We, the people you were supposed to be representing, NEEDED YOU TO "DO THE RIGHT THING" AND TELL US WE WERE BEING DECEIVED.

You did NOTHING.

By your own definition, you DID NOT act with integrity in this case.

Clear, unambiguous statement: "If you don't either cancel/reverse the sale or go public with Legion IMMEDIATELY, I'm breaking NDA"

Follow through if change doesn't happen.

CPM failed us. It's that simple.

*grinds the palms of his hands into this face yet again*
Can you all stop? Seriously?

Are there any adults on these forums? I was under the impression that teenagers were in the minority here.

Yes, okay, the reveal of Legion was about as bad a ****-up as BP's public relations after the Gulf oil spill, and I don't feel like I'm exaggerating when I say that.

There is no conspiracy.

There is no evil plot.

It's time to stop the rumormongering and get back to reality. I would be less inclined to respect CPM0 if they all just left because they didn't like CCP's plan for the reveal.

I'm glad they stayed where they were and kept trying to convince CCP to change their minds. Bailing out is a cheap move.

So. You would break legal contract over that? I'm sorry but that's not legit. People aren't dying. The government isn't issuing some conspiracy. There's no schools burning. They had other ways to try to get them to listen. They could've just resigned like someone else said. If it was as simple as the NDA that they gave us back in closed beta, then sure, but I'm more than sure there's some actual heavy penalties here.

So. You would break legal contract over that? I'm sorry but that's not legit. People aren't dying. The government isn't issuing some conspiracy. There's no schools burning. They had other ways to try to get them to listen. They could've just resigned like someone else said. If it was as simple as the NDA that they gave us back in closed beta, then sure, but I'm more than sure there's some actual heavy penalties here.

I'd break NDA over someone directly and willfully ripping people off when I'm meant to be representing those people, yes.

And I'd have solid legal grounds to argue against any penalties they tried to enforce too. The recent Aurum sales were using false advertising because they were still promoting the game as having new content coming to PS3, and they were still maintaining the promises made at E3 for DUST to be coming to PS4 through lies of omission. They told us what was going to happen, went back on their plans and started work on something different, and actively avoided telling us so they could gouge people for more money. The fact that Sony have been refunding people for purchases made in those sales supports this argument as well.

That fact makes any enforcement of the NDA on those intentional lies of omission illegal. You can't enforce a contract which requires a person to break other laws to satisfy its conditions. The contract is null and void at that point, unless it includes a clause that maintains the contract EXCEPT THE PART WHICH WOULD BE ILLEGAL. So even if they included such a clause, the NDA would only apply to things which aren't required in order to reveal that CCP were trying to gouge us for money.

So yes, I would have absolutely no reservations in "breaking" a no-longer-legally-binding contract. None at all.

The lack of information is disturbing with this one. Twitter, Dev Trackers, IRC, pod casts, and some social circles are your best friends.

Can't be arsed to do a summary though Ill let a blue explain it all.

Ill put it this way

100% of your claims are generated by your own fear and not facts and rather the lack of facts that most of which are still fomulating. There are facts out there pay attention to those in the comming weeks before you decide to throw everything under the bus.

Are you dumb? Breaking NDA isn't the end of the world - it's a player to gaming company agreement. He's not going to federal prison, he'll be removed from a ******* game for standing up to a piece of **** company.

NDA does not cover a companies responsibilities.
Just yours.

You hear from CCP about PC version; you spill the beans on the forums and quit (or you get blackslited; order doesnt matter most likely your post would have been instantly sanitized)

Chances are you're going to be positing in a highly similar manner as you are today; in this rather enraged state of being betrayed.

Community Rages.

CCP comes out with more offical and more up to date details and makes you look stupid as part of thier damage control and they would do it.

And at that point watch how quickly the community turns on you

Watch the developers abandon the entire community at all levels as you broke thier trsut

And after you destroyed the cpm; any future elections; councils; or isd programs; and the game in one feel swoop as likely any future game cannot seem to surivive well without developers trusting the playerbase.

NDA does not cover a companies responsibilities.
Just yours.

So lets rewind and play this out.

You hear from CCP about PC version; you spill the beans on the forums and quit (or you get blackslited; order doesnt matter most likely your post would have been instantly sanitized)

Chances are you're going to be positing in a highly similar manner as you are today; in this rather enraged state of being betrayed.

Community Rages.

CCP comes out with more offical and more up to date details and makes you look stupid as part of thier damage control and they would do it.

And at that point watch how quickly the community turns on you

Watch the developers abandon the entire community at all levels as you broke thier trsut

And after you destroyed the cpm; any future elections; councils; or isd programs; and the game in one feel swoop as likely any future game cannot seem to surivive well without developers trusting the playerbase.

I'd break NDA over someone directly and willfully ripping people off when I'm meant to be representing those people, yes.

And I'd have solid legal grounds to argue against any penalties they tried to enforce too. The recent Aurum sales were using false advertising because they were still promoting the game as having new content coming to PS3, and they were still maintaining the promises made at E3 for DUST to be coming to PS4 through lies of omission. They told us what was going to happen, went back on their plans and started work on something different, and actively avoided telling us so they could gouge people for more money. The fact that Sony have been refunding people for purchases made in those sales supports this argument as well.

That fact makes any enforcement of the NDA on those intentional lies of omission illegal. You can't enforce a contract which requires a person to break other laws to satisfy its conditions. The contract is null and void at that point, unless it includes a clause that maintains the contract EXCEPT THE PART WHICH WOULD BE ILLEGAL. So even if they included such a clause, the NDA would only apply to things which aren't required in order to reveal that CCP were trying to gouge us for money.

So yes, I would have absolutely no reservations in "breaking" a no-longer-legally-binding contract. None at all.

Would you be able to actually argue that in court? I'm actually in belief of what you say but I HIGHLY doubt that a team of lawyers wouldn't be able to get them out of it and put the blame on you.

Of the players. For the players... Or not.

The audacity to consider their self-importance so great as to throw all loyal Dust fans under the bus and allow us to waste real life money on a game they knew was going to die months before even some Devs knew. Their involvement in the development of this game has been detrimental at best since the beginning as they help sowed the seeds of its demise.

The cancelation of DUST PS3 development is not only CCPs failure but also CPM0s failure. Nova Knife attests that he was so mad when he heard the knews that we all heard at fanfest. So mad he did absolutely nothing to save the friends and fellow players of DUST for months. He coward in the shadows afraid to lose his position of being lap dog to CCP.

It's easy for him to talk a big game now and pretend to side with all of us when in reality he is no better than the developers that threw us under the bus. I find the complete lack of character disgusting, no one had the guts to stand up and say enough is enough or resign to make a point.

They chose to obey rather than represent us. I am more disappointed with the CPM than CCP because I can understand at least that CCP operates as a business for profit reasons. CPM was here to help us, the players and CCP to realize the dream that was DUST514.

CPM did nothing of the kind. Seriously, what power does the CPM has? CCP makes the final call. They can suggest ideas, public opinion and what's best all they want to. If CCP wants to do something, they will do it.

To even think that is nonsensical. Betrayed? Ha! Betrayed. Yea okay.

Those who've never dealt with CAs/NDAs are lucky.
They fckuing suck.
On the plus side it makes me very attractive to be a corporate espionage target.

The frenchy resigning from CPM proves they work :/

You also have to realize I cannot go around breaking NDA contracts; that would lead to my own loss of my own top secret clearance. FBI takes that **** seriously.

Also if the NDA was that insignificant why didnt Caz spill the beans? he resigned and yet didn't say anything. I dont think that makes him hero material either.

Whether I care about IWS's FBI claim or not, he's right in that breaching even a 'trivial' NDA will have consequences outside of the domain it existed in. I ain't giving roles involving confidentiality to anyone who was contractually bound to one thing and did another.

They continue to be silent which only serves to hurt us more. Some honesty would go a long way right now but they won't even do that. They really need to look into how they treat their customers and fans because to put it mildly it is crap.

All I had was an offhand mention of the grass turning brown and drying up.

But the CPM0 knew! they KNEW!!
And remained silent.

Those who know about a crime and remain silent are the same scum as those who did the crime.

There was no excuse to remain silent since in todays world of deletable emails, free websites and inquisitive reporters all that was needed was a simple speculative post on a free website to get news hungry reporters after CCP demanding details.

The CPM knew about PC before it came out. They KNEW!

So what are you saying? The CPM has done nothing different than what they have been doing and what they should be doing. In their position they did what was agreed upon as part of signing.

You guys continously pointing fingers instead of acting like mature adults and understanding the other side of the coin aka placing yourself in other people's shoes to come to an understanding.

It's impossible to even reason with some of you. You didn't get what you want so feel you just been wronged. That's bratty.