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TheGoebel
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:12:00 -
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I couldn't sleep, this thread is bothering me and I have yet to post anything on any forum related to this issue but I couldn't shake this.
I am happy the CPM didn't break NDA. The NDA is an integral part of what makes a construction like the CPM/CSM work.
That being said, I think if the whole of CPM resigned at the same time. namely after being shown legion, no NDA would be broken and the community would see the red flag. That's a bit sensationalist though, if the CPM resigned how could they help CCP do some community management, release news of this appropriately? I in no way believe CPM/CSM members had any hand in the Legion announcement being the Dust keynote.
But you know what you can do? You can resign now. As CPM. you haven't been listened to, there's no reason to believe you will be listened to and the most effective use of your position is to make a news story out of it. Its your call, but I can tell you from here, it would be the best thing for the current council members to do. |
TheGoebel
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:15:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote: You guys are meant to be representing the community. Part of the problem was probably that CCP made it hard for you to meet that responsibility. There was probably also something you could have done but didn't see at the time. I don't know how significant either side of that was. That's for you to know, and live with.
Iron Wolf Saber wrote: We went through the same thought processes and discussed options with concequences of their future impacts and we knew that quitting back then would have probably made cpm 0 the last cpm and that would not be absolutely fair to the rest of the community. Also we realized we probably overplayed the 'we are going to quit card.' A card we mostly played over 'why even have a cpm' in the past when cpm was at its weakest state which has probably caused a level of mistrust between the cpm and various members of the company. Just like in real life politics every person has thier own opininion and even if you convince the people you think are in charge, the people in the majority it only takes a very few folks to override the best laid out plans.
CPM is in that very weird position where saying 'we told you so' in a rather immature manner is so tempting but the CPM realizes we're at the critical point of being legitimized as a needed organization. We had a half day summit yesterday and you cannot belive how much progress was made for empowering the community. If those talks turn into green lights you will see the impact soon enough and we're having another full day summit today.
The fact we didnt quit as allowed us to help shape things up for legion and possibly and fallback for dust as well such as the ewn progression system was made under advisement of the CPM as the original model presented to teh cpm would have infurated everyone including the most die hard of fanboys for the game
I don't quite understand the word 'possibly' here. I think its because I don't have trust in CCP. Anything that hasn't happened yet can not be predicted. The effort IWS and CPM have put in, have they beared product? Do we have tangible evidence that the CPM has been any sort of guiding force for CCP? Please don't cite any of the reactionary movements from over this weekend as I feel 5000 people have participated in those actions, not just CPM.
You've fought for the expansion of the powers of CPM. But right now, does that matter? Dust will still need player feedback while it sits on the back burner. I would hazard to say that CPM doesn't need to exist for that. CPM could be helpful in Legion but it wouldn't be elected by the playerbase from that game.
Why then, should the CPM continue? |
TheGoebel
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:TheGoebel wrote:I don't quite understand the word 'possibly' here. I think its because I don't have trust in CCP. Anything that hasn't happened yet can not be predicted. The effort IWS and CPM have put in, have they beared product? Do we have tangible evidence that the CPM has been any sort of guiding force for CCP? Please don't cite any of the reactionary movements from over this weekend as I feel 5000 people have participated in those actions, not just CPM.
You've fought for the expansion of the powers of CPM. But right now, does that matter? Dust will still need player feedback while it sits on the back burner. I would hazard to say that CPM doesn't need to exist for that. CPM could be helpful in Legion but it wouldn't be elected by the playerbase from that game.
Why then, should the CPM continue? Becuase nothing is gauranteed at this time. I dont want to say anything that basically confirms anything and its so easy to use grey words that reader base can translate to white or black if you get the drift. Legion for all I know could get red light instead of green lit. I cannot comment on the chances because I am not in those frevrent flurry of meetings. And despite Legion being out in the open the closed doors is NDAing any and every speculation so it does me or any of you any good to declare Legion's state. It is best to let CCP do that. As for the CPM perception of power its very skewed and the only thing I will cite is that the CSM took 5 years to get where it is. The expectations of doing that in a year is massively rediculous with both Uprising 1.0 and Legion thrown on top of the current members. CPM expansion of responsibility is not a fight done alone; members of CCP have been participating as much as they could. Ultimately the CPM should continue because Dust 514 is still running; there are players still playing and there are no plans to shut dust 514 anytime soon. An election for fresh members is certainly needed. They are still the best link between players and developers, they are still the best reality check CCP has well before the idea explodes on the community like it has, and they are still the best voices of the players when CCP needs it the most.
First, lets again be clear. No one is breaking a legal document to whistleblow on a video game. This boggles my mind.
Second, I don't need to know what's going on behind closed doors, or what information you can't infer to me to know legions quality. It's simply understanding my relationship with CCP is abusive. And they can come to me with roses saying, "no baby, this time we're going to add all those features. I know I've promised them before but it was too hard, babe. You know how it gets, I get so frustrated and then move platforms. This time will be different, I promise."
This time will not be different.
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TheGoebel
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Posted - 2014.05.06 04:25:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:TheGoebel wrote:
First, lets again be clear. I have no actual idea how serious breaking a CA/NDA is.
You're not really good at grasping the concept of: Corporate Espionage Conflict of Interests Breach of Contracts. IWS is still ****, but CA/NDAs are serious business. And yes IWS, you could have been a "Conscious Objector" but no, you didn't.
I didn't phrase that right. I meant to say that it boggles my mind that people would think that's ok. to break the NDA. No reason to face those legal consequences for this particular instance. Now if CCP was bathing in the blood of orphans to stay young, well okay. |
TheGoebel
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Posted - 2014.05.06 04:30:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:much better, sorry for being crass, i deal with CA/NDAs everyday of my life.
******* blows, but yay inside knowledge?
I've stated it before in this thread. But NDA's are a necessary to get a CPM/CSM thing to work. But now it seems pretty useless to have a CPM, NDA's or not. |
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