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SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 507	Posted - 2014.05.02 14:58:00 - [1] - Quote I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right?
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 564	Posted - 2014.05.02 14:59:00 - [2] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? I completely agree, whilst i can understand an ISK wipe (still not pleased about it) SP HAS TO COME OVER Gÿé Syeven 514 Twitter: MajLagSpike Application for CPM1
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2511	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:00:00 - [3] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? I completely agree, whilst i can understand an ISK wipe (still not pleased about it) SP HAS TO COME OVER Agreed. I'm not on the scale of the OP, but I did spend $150 (Elite + veteran packs). Nerdier than thou
aden slayer Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 624	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:00:00 - [4] - Quote This is their plan. Create a new version of dust and Nerf the vets of the old version by not allowing a stats transfer.
Jimbo Boilstaff THE MASSIVE DYNAMIC 118	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:01:00 - [5] - Quote No chance, that's the big betrayal here....... New game..... New characters.... From their point of view they dont want 5,000 (at most) have a major advantage over the rest of the playerbase (presumably wanting it to be a much higher number than the PS3 managed)
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 827	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:02:00 - [6] - Quote All Saberwing has responded to on Twitter are these questions... They don't know what they'll do currently. Beyond what people think, yea, CCP has the data.. But how can you get new players when you transfer 50 to 60 million SP characters to a new game? xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
ContraBanJoe Bob Loblaw Space Attorneys FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 349	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:03:00 - [7] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? I don't trust anything they say after today. FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE Planetary Response Organisation / Faction Warfare Army / Good Luck Or At least Try
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2285	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:03:00 - [8] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? I hope so too. I don't care as much about the ISK. I have about 140 Million. But ** that. If they tell me they can't bring so many ISK over for the sake of the market then ok. But my SP. These are ***** important to me. As long as I can bring my char over with only SP I would be ok with it. Would not be exactly the best case scenario, but it would be something I could live with. If they don't allow us to port our chars over to the game they said we will get on the PS3 sooner or later then I want my money back in full. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2285	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:04:00 - [9] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: All Saberwing has responded to on Twitter are these questions... They don't know what they'll do currently. Beyond what people think, yea, CCP has the data.. But how can you get new players when you transfer 50 to 60 million SP characters to a new game? The same way Eve Online still gets new players. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 507	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:04:00 - [10] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: All Saberwing has responded to on Twitter are these questions... They don't know what they'll do currently. Beyond what people think, yea, CCP has the data.. But how can you get new players when you transfer 50 to 60 million SP characters to a new game? $600. That's how.

Hecarim Van Hohen 1264	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:05:00 - [11] - Quote it's a separate game so they'll do a full reset "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro t¢«
Maximus Tarashara Red Star. EoN. 42	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:07:00 - [12] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? There's no guarantee, but if you need a hug am here Also known as the pet shop owner of Red Star.
DARK - IMPULSE Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:07:00 - [13] - Quote How will CCP will take care of us? Are you calling for a orgy in your behind? because they already f***d us hard.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3268	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:11:00 - [14] - Quote It's not just the money, it's the hundreds of hours we put in grinding away for SP. Those of us who experienced 5-6 character wipes since closed beta were promised that we would never again have to start from scratch. Since then we invested a huge number of hours to gain SP for progression. Take all that away and there is little incentive to start all over again. it would break the promise (I don't care if you call it a "new game", it's the replacement for DUST), and it would be the last broken promise for me.
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 283	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:13:00 - [15] - Quote Skihids wrote: It's not just the money, it's the hundreds of hours we put in grinding away for SP. Those of us who experienced 5-6 character wipes since closed beta were promised that we would never again have to start from scratch. That's why it's called Legion. You've been promised no resets in Dust, and as Dust is not being ported over only a new game called Legion is being created then they essentially didn't lie.
Bax Zanith 132	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:14:00 - [16] - Quote The real question is; will it still be free, or will CCP put a subscription fee on it? (Sorry for asking if they already answered my question, I am unable to see any of the streams thanks to time zones and time constraints.) I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 566	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:14:00 - [17] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? I completely agree, whilst i can understand an ISK wipe (still not pleased about it) SP HAS TO COME OVER Agreed. I'm not on the scale of the OP, but I did spend $150 (Elite + veteran packs). Me too dude, I got all the BPO pack when i could + the collectors edition Gÿé Syeven 514 Twitter: MajLagSpike Application for CPM1
Skihids Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3268	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:15:00 - [18] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: Skihids wrote: It's not just the money, it's the hundreds of hours we put in grinding away for SP. Those of us who experienced 5-6 character wipes since closed beta were promised that we would never again have to start from scratch. That's why it's called Legion. You've been promised no resets in Dust, and as Dust is not being ported over only a new game called Legion is being created then they essentially didn't lie. Project Legion is a code word, a working title. It's the DUST replacement in spirit if not in name. Remember, they count DUST as a release quality game too.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 829	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:16:00 - [19] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: All Saberwing has responded to on Twitter are these questions... They don't know what they'll do currently. Beyond what people think, yea, CCP has the data.. But how can you get new players when you transfer 50 to 60 million SP characters to a new game? The same way Eve Online still gets new players. No, this is a new game. People expect to be on even playing fields when a game comes out... xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2512	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:17:00 - [20] - Quote Skihids wrote: It's not just the money, it's the hundreds of hours we put in grinding away for SP. Those of us who experienced 5-6 character wipes since closed beta were promised that we would never again have to start from scratch. Since then we invested a huge number of hours to gain SP for progression. Take all that away and there is little incentive to start all over again. it would break the promise (I don't care if you call it a "new game", it's the replacement for DUST), and it would be the last broken promise for me. Agreed. It has a rail rifle. It has a HMG. It has a Madrugar. We have clones that can use those things. Character transfers or infinite rage! Nerdier than thou

Uncle AWOL Protheans BetaMax. 69	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:17:00 - [21] - Quote In order of importance: Aurum/ packs/ items that we have obtained over the life of the game (only special event items and pack items) Skill points (it's understandable if they don't want this but it will eventually reach its current point on PC anyway so who cares) ISK. (Most understandable for them to reset for market purposes but refer to the above as to why it doesn't matter) Essentially: people NEED to have at the very least their aurum transferred or refunded.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 977	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:17:00 - [22] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? Lol To expand on that... kiss all of your stuff goodbye, there is a reason why they are seperate games. Fixing swarms
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death Final Resolution. 3243	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:19:00 - [23] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? You realise, fo course, that this is New Eden, and you are responsible for your decisions. Like trusting CCP. FUCKING BAN ME ALREADY YOU BUNCH OF LIMPDICKED COCKSUCKERS
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2973	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:19:00 - [24] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? Excuse me? Who sayd that our charachters actually move onto PC? They could just start from scratch and abandon us. They just took your money and sayd "screw you now go and buy more AUR twatt!" Dust getting orted to PC. Stop playing now and dont feed CCP any more money!
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 122	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:21:00 - [25] - Quote SirManBoy, You know I love you bro, but I dont expect anything from Dust to be transfered to Legion. It's a "NEW" Game in the image of Dust. I highly doubt that we'll be bringing our characters / sp / isk over Don't get me wrong, I'd loved to be surprised, but I don't expect to be.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4242	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:25:00 - [26] - Quote Wow, I see some names I haven't seen before. Well this is interesting, is it not? Is it possible that the Dust we want can't be done on limited hardware of the consoles? My first thought, honestly, when I saw it...I said to my sweetheart who watched with me, "I'm going have to get a decent PC" Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3602	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:26:00 - [27] - Quote ContraBanJoe wrote: SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? I don't trust anything they say after today. How could you? I mean they LIED about the Dust Keynote being about Dust. They KNEW they were killing Dust. There are people who spent thousands of dollars going to Iceland because of a game they knew they were killing. This sounds hyperbolic, but they are deceitful and there is no other way to put it. They could have saved people real world dollars by being upfront about this. I'll never be able to forgive CCP for that. Not to mention the dollars I've spent on this game. And Legion is a different game, the AUR issue is null and void as well as any problem they might have had with the BPO reimbursement. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4242	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:28:00 - [28] - Quote Remember guys, its just a video game Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3603	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:32:00 - [29] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Remember guys, its just a video game I've spent more on this game than Sir Man Boy has. And I did that based on the history of CCP and a long development cycle. If I was deceived as a customer in any transaction I'd be upset. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 440	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:49:00 - [30] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Remember guys, its just a video game True, but we were sold a vision and a promise... A big character reset is what you would expect from the BF and CoD games any time there's a new version or platform. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]

Skihids Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3269	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:07:00 - [31] - Quote DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6929	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:12:00 - [32] - Quote Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)

Luny Homega warravens Final Resolution. 1	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:15:00 - [33] - Quote by the god, TRY, try at it with everything you got, Please,
Stan Kattel Expert Intervention Caldari State 37	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:16:00 - [34] - Quote Luny Homega wrote: by the god, TRY, try at it with everything you got, Please, They will not even bother.
Autoaim Bot514 The Hetairoi 152	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:16:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. You better do this.
Stalken Pathfinder Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 72	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:16:00 - [36] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? lol they have already stiffed us you just haven't realized it yet
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3610	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:17:00 - [37] - Quote I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters Level 3 Forum Warrior
Beartrocity TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 16	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:18:00 - [38] - Quote Well. They can carry over my **** or delay their precious game by refunding everyone the countless dollars spent on their old one. Kota's Tank Rager
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2303	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:18:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... this game makes me sad....

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6935	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:18:00 - [40] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)


ForgeGun Blap Blap PEN 15 CLUB 35	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:20:00 - [41] - Quote I can think of no good excuse to not convert over assets and character progression in some reasonably derived metric. For CCP's sake, they better come up with a good one.
Jessica Montoya Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 35	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:21:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. so there is a chance even colectors edition items in dust won't be xfered over? there goes my fav gear for my fav race. :(
LittleCuteBunny 456	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:22:00 - [43] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. In other words, we can't. Sony will dispute a transfer of players to a Planetside 2 competitor Dust and Legion are "different", but Legion uses all the ideas from Dust Technical restriction to just moving Skill Points from one place to another. Dust is dead, HTFU Graveyard 514 Project Legion is a different game, meaning nothing you do in Dust 514 will port to it.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1503	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:22:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. this is code for saying 'sorry'. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Meknow Intaki 168	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:22:00 - [45] - Quote CCP don't give a rats asz about us on PS3 any more!! They got there PC player base now:-/
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 223	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:22:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Normally I do not complain but this is needed. You went from being a great guy to becoming Electronic Arts in a heartbeat (I despise them). If DUST was already dead, why even spend the time space for a keynote? Why go though the trouble of locking post since DUST was just a prototype for Legion? What can the PS3 users do now since this was announced? People spent money in this game because they thought that this would get better only for you and the rest of CCP to spit in our faces. You guys knew about this. So the next question is this when is the last day we can play DUST? Keep in mind that yea Legion on PC will give a great player base but you lose the player base that paved the way for you in DUST. I will not be surprised if the player count were to dramatically drop by the end of the day. Open Beta (03/26/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
Khan Hun Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 99	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:22:00 - [47] - Quote I'm utterly amazed that you planned a keynote and a progress in dust presentation to give to a collection of dust players, without including any mention of carrying over progression or putting any spin into it to make the last two years of players supporting a game (that CCP itself clearly feels isn't worth DEV time) is anything but a massive waste of time and money. The only thing more amazing is that the most heat you got for it was some very underwhelmed clapping and a single question on the issue.
Zene Ren Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 68	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:23:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. did you noticed how he dodged your "charge" of weren't we promised new build for Dust514? that is not even funny Balance is the key to achieve knowledge and understanding
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13308	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:23:00 - [49] - Quote I really need to watch these videos, but glad to see I called it. DUST is DEAD hahahhahaha!!! I picked a glorious time to stop playing, it would seem. Biggest bait and switch in gaming history right here? My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Incubus, Gallente Proud
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 119	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:24:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. That's an elaborate way of saying no. Never has anyone made a statement of "we don't know..." and something positive came out of it.

fixitgd S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 133	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:24:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. HAHAHAH "trust" and "honesty" Come on
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 468	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:24:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you can't won't be able to confirm player form 514 and legion are the same players to allocate a certain amount of SP, even if they supply the same email address. Ballacks. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 1016	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:25:00 - [53] - Quote we have been royally screwed Nemo me impune lacessit
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3814	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:25:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. You haven't even built the game yet. The progression system can be literally anything you want to mold it into and the only reason your company would have to make it something that can't transfer over would be to double dip on the players who invested the most.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 624	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:25:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here?
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:26:00 - [56] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. If i was sony i wouldnt help. Id lay the carpet for their own shooter PS2. Trust is based on following throught with promises. Ive spent $120 on the game. Ive had my rages and fun. You are not making any promises about new content or transfer of characters. I also have no trust. It was said that today was a evolution in Dust. Instead it was a new game reveal. I honestly dont need a new pc. I was interested in a Dust ps4 cliet and PS2 and destiny. So whether the transfer occurs or not, its unlikely you will find me. Best regards
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 173	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:26:00 - [57] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: All Saberwing has responded to on Twitter are these questions... They don't know what they'll do currently. Beyond what people think, yea, CCP has the data.. But how can you get new players when you transfer 50 to 60 million SP characters to a new game? The same way Eve Online still gets new players. This. With a well balanced game with good matchmaking. But, y'know, thats what every 50mio stomper is scared about. That his comfy snugglepuff pond, where he is the big fish, just because he happens to be one of the beta vets. I dont care for SP. Take it. I care about a fun and deeply immersive SciFi game. And maybe I get it with Legion (hopefully next year or the year after next) and PVE. I spend about 50 bucks on Dust and I really got my moneys worth, so I am perfectly fine with it. I will enjoy playing it from time to time, cuz Legion is still far far away. If all the vets stop playing now, the better for me . The more fun I am going to have over the next year or two. Go ahead guys. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2875	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:27:00 - [58] - Quote Es CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. WITH THAT LOGIC, doesn't it imply that if you can transfer, you would. And if you can transfer, what will be the point of Dust? Which also implies that CCP has plans to kill dust!!! weRideNDie2getha since 2010
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2286	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:27:00 - [59] - Quote Jessica Montoya wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: [quote=Skihids]DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. so there is a chance even colectors edition items in dust won't be xfered over? there goes my fav gear for my fav race. :([/quot00e] Well... You still have the mystery code, don't lose hope.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6935	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:27:00 - [60] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you can't won't be able to confirm player form 514 and legion are the same players to allocate a certain amount of SP, even if they supply the same email address. Ballacks. SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)


Avallo Kantor Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 368	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:29:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Thank you. This answer has made me feel a lot better about everything that has happened today. In the case that you can not port over progress, will you have any fall back plans? Perhaps a code to all players beyond X SP that can be redeemed for Y SP in Legion? (With multiple SP levels and multiple codes) Assuming that does not interfere with legal issues?
drixon talaro Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 21	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:29:00 - [62] - Quote Logibro, with all due respect bro im pissed smooth off.... ive put 160 bucks in thsi damn game, god only knows how many man hours and instead of giving me what you all have talked about giving us, your putting it in another game, i loved this game even broken like it was, i made good freinds in my corp and if i had an hour to myself i put it into this game.... i for one dont play pc games, dont have a pc capable of running good games and im not going to buy one. im also not gonna buy a ps4 just to play your new game. you need to give me what you promised or give me my god damn money back.... you can have your damn collectors set back seeing as how i only bought it for the dust side bpo's.... you lied to me and you have taken my real money and used it towards the development of another game..... im not gonna be some ******* who says im gonna sue you but i will never play another game developed by your firm, and i will protest to others why they should not support you as well.... i hope you make this right with people and if you dont then so be it.....
Forlorn Destrier 2404	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:31:00 - [63] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here: 1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything. Other thoughts: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment)
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United Caps and Mercs 252	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:32:00 - [64] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. 1) sony already made their cut out of our transactions. 2) We dont care how much SP is carried over, some of it must, else we will stop playing the curent game. 3) If any equipment do not carry over (blueprints, officier weapons, ...) do you serisouly think we will keep buying AURUM ? if you do not simply pull the plug. 4) Remember we are Geek people, do not try to bullshit us too much with game design shenanigans or that you cant transfer this or that over, we know how databases work ! 5) Seriously, I would support you going over to Legion IF you bring over my stuff !
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 862	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:32:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. And I'll say right now, if you can't, I'm through. I spent a lot of time playing this game and EVE exclusively, above all others. Do you really want to tell me it was all for nothing? I can't imagine a bigger **** you to the player base because of technical limitations. I mean really, would you really do this to the people that have supported you all this time? Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 591	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:34:00 - [66] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Remember guys, its just a video game No, it is a product, that people invested in and in which they feel deceived. Because, that's why.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3270	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:34:00 - [67] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you can't won't be able to confirm player form 514 and legion are the same players to allocate a certain amount of SP, even if they supply the same email address. Ballacks. SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. So you admit you can scale our current SP total to match your ideas for character progression in Legion?
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United Caps and Mercs 252	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:35:00 - [68] - Quote There is no technical limitations nor limitations on items bought, you are not transfering virtual goods from Apple, to Android or vice versa, do not bullshit us !!!!!!
Be'e Po Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:35:00 - [69] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters Why are you surprised? And I'm not saying this to be bitter. I'm saying think of the difficulties. First off, every character in Dust is in Eve. I can't make a new eve pilot called Be'e Po. That name is taken. And in Eve, names are tied into a variaty of things such asyour corpse if you get podded, kill rights, bounties, and such. So if Legion is part of eve too, you can't have a Legion character with the same name or identity without changing a database of characters that maybe quite old. Then you have whole idea of skills... Is Legion a one to one port? Is there a combat rifle skill? What if not, how do you balance especially when you may not even be done planning out the skills in legion. What if the skills are more like eve where you have side arm, light, ahd heavy projectiles as 3 skills that cover all projectile weapons in each class, with specialization skills for each weapon. How do you match that up with Dust? And when do you make the transfer? Do you kill dust, tell people to get to legion and that's it? Or do you say the move is voluntary as dust and legion will exist side by side, and only allow the move once, or would you let people transfer back and forth? Also, what if CCP truly wants to keep Dust going, but as a stand alone FPS. You remove the eve, dust link, replacing it with legion, but give dust it's own, improved PC system and the game continues for 3+ years. When and do u let people transfer? Sorry, but until all details are worked out on how the games mesh or don't, character transfer just isn't an issue you can easily say will be done with any certainty.
LittleCuteBunny 456	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:35:00 - [70] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here? I'll answer you m8t. It is not worth playing Dust 514 anymore, since Dust's future is so limited now. There is no more PC 2.0, FW 2.0, Skirmish 3.0, PVE and Corporate Battles. No more relevant development and now that SoonTM turned into NeverTM, will you play a dead game? Graveyard 514 Project Legion is a different game, meaning nothing you do in Dust 514 will port to it.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3815	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:35:00 - [71] - Quote So I bought like 100 dollars worth of omega boosters because i thought it was a good investment for the future I believed in. I don't even see a need to use the rest of them now. You're honestly going to tell me that your company is ok with that kind of business practice that nullifies what I've purchased, when all of your advertisement has very specifically encouraged on spending large amounts of money on aurum and stocking up during special weekends? That Dust was going to have a 10 year plan with all of the features you just transferred over to Legion? You're really going to tell me that your management is undecided on this issue? You'd better get an official, solid answer out there fast. That's a lot of wasted money, and I know a lot of people who spent even more.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 602	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:36:00 - [72] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I've liked nearly every single one of your posts, but this is utter ****. If, as a developer, CCP are unable to hit a button or type a command such as "+22, 334, 114 SP to RINON114" then you might as well give up on Legion now.
Principus Shmoof Triariian Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services Armed-n-Hammered 119	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:37:00 - [73] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Logibro, tell Saberwing that Shmoof says "Fack off"
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United Caps and Mercs 252	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:37:00 - [74] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Remember guys, its just a video game No, it is a product, that people invested in and in which they feel deceived. Totally agree with you, if this was a business management software, it would be the equivalent of saying, ho we have this new version but the data you worked on for the last 2 years cannot be imported ! F2P model means in essence game as a service, and with a service there is at least a garantee of continuity. If its not the intended model than create a game, slap a fixed price and sell it as a standard 80$ game !
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 305	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:37:00 - [75] - Quote If anyone believes CCP cares . . . ahahahahahahahahaha. Glad I stopped spending money on this joke of a game, and joke of a company after the merc pack fiasco.
drixon talaro Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 23	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:40:00 - [76] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here: 1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything. Other thoughts: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment) good for you bro you dont mind losing money, maybe you have an awesome job and can wipe your ass with money or maybe mommy and daddy bought it for you idk, but i feel im entitled to a refund when there making a brand new game and its not even going to be released on the same console.... even if they let sp and isk get carried over im not gonna go spend 500 dollars on a ps4 or even more on a gaming pc..... if thats what there going to do they took from me.... i mean jeez spec ops the line came out like 3 years ago and you can still play that game and theres is still a decent player base but at least they didnt let me spend real money on it just to stop making it
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 174	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:40:00 - [77] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. Yes. How many Hours have you guys played in relation to how much you paid? You just divide the amount of money you paid through the amount of hours. There you have your entertainment value. Compare the number with a visit at the cinema, or a book you've read (Oops ... wrong community :P). There you see if you have a reason to feel cheated. I have paid 14 cents per hour. And I think thats totally fair. Waay better than your average movie or game. I think the only real reason to feel bad is that the vision laid out for us may not come true on PS3. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 894	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:40:00 - [78] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. What it sounds like is that you told the entire community to go ** ourselves A Brave New Eden Forge a new destiny**
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots 343	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:42:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Not even an attempt to say Dust will keep going. So can we take this to mean it's official, Dust 514 will be dropped? 1st April - 14: No more likes! Need it to stop at 333. 2nd April - 14: Ok, fezz up! Who gave the likes?!
Vect-r Vault of the Void 36	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:43:00 - [80] - Quote Face it guys, you were all guinea pigs. They took your money, shook you down, and stole your virginity too. As a man with sunglasses and pointy fingers would say..."DEAL WITH IT"! Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.

Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 284	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:44:00 - [81] - Quote There has to be something that carries over to Legion from the time and money I've put into Dust. Otherwise, I just won't play Legion. Nor Dust while Legion is being developed. Nor EVE. Period. It doesn't have to be all of my SP, all of my ISK or any gear whatsoever. But I need something to show for my double-digit hundreds of hours of play and the hundreds of dollars I've spent. And it needs to be substantial enough for me to feel I've already gained something that would take a lot of work in Legion to gain. It's not about being able to smack other people over the head with my skills or gear. I've been playing in advanced suits 99% of the time for the added challenge, I don't spawn camp and make the newb experience miserable, I don't exploit glitches etc. I want a fair game, and if Legion allows for more balanced and fair gameplay, I'm all for it. But, as already stated, I want something in Legion to show for all the time and money spent on Dust.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 313	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:44:00 - [82] - Quote There are only two things that seriously bother me: 1. Will Legion be Free To Play? I imagine there will be heavy logistical issues if the game doesn't have a bought subscription, due to aimbots and the lack of easy store access on PC. I, for example, would never utilize such a store because I don't have a credit card and neither do I have PayPal. (Also, Dust players NEED some kind of acknowledgment of their participation in Dust) I would never play a game with subscriptions. I wouldn't even buy it with a single payment, because it's a multiplayer FPS and this situation has shown that I can't trust it to survive long enough for my investment to be worthwhile. 2. Your business practice with selling Omega boosters shortly before the keynote. You knew that this would blow up. This is pure scam. Seriously, **** you for that. There is no other way to express my feelings on the matter.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3620	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:45:00 - [83] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: So I bought like 100 dollars worth of omega boosters because i thought it was a good investment for the future I believed in. I don't even see a need to use the rest of them now. You're honestly going to tell me that your company is ok with that kind of business practice that nullifies what I've purchased, when all of your advertisement has very specifically encouraged on spending large amounts of money on aurum and stocking up during special weekends? That Dust was going to have a 10 year plan with all of the features you just transferred over to Legion? You're really going to tell me that your management is undecided on this issue? You'd better get an official, solid answer out there fast. That's a lot of wasted money, and I know a lot of people who spent even more. This is where I'm at. And the fact that they've known about this for months while they put these items up for sale is ***** criminal. They are crooks and there is no other way to put it. Level 3 Forum Warrior**
Tallen Ellecon 1844	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:46:00 - [84] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I've invested far too much in $$$ in this games 10 year plan to let all of it (don't excuse the pun) turn to dust. Tallen is a character in the EVE universe, he has a story, he has a history, and if you kill him don't expect me to just start over on the PC, and I'm a PC gamer. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Davy Headhunter Pradox One Proficiency V. 34	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:47:00 - [85] - Quote I think that thes best approach would be find a formula that would convert the account (SP, ISK, ITEMS, TIME, everyting) into AUR, and then move the AUR to the new game. Something like every SP worth X AUR, every ISK worth Y AUR.... and the make it so players can move donate it to XXX caracter, both on eve, dust or even valky.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3823	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:50:00 - [86] - Quote Why the hell do they even have to change the progression system in the first place? It works.
Tallen Ellecon 1845	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:51:00 - [87] - Quote Davy Headhunter wrote: I think that thes best approach would be find a formula that would convert the account (SP, ISK, ITEMS, TIME, everyting) into AUR, and then move the AUR to the new game. Something like every SP worth X AUR, every ISK worth Y AUR.... and the make it so players can move donate it to XXX caracter, both on eve, dust or even valky. Like any sort of compensation would be fine in the name of balance. I'm in this crazy middleground. Legion is the game I wanted, I have the PC for, and it looks great. Dust is the game I was left with, invested in and made so many friends in, and nothing new was announced for it. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 176	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:51:00 - [88] - Quote Davy Headhunter wrote: I think that thes best approach would be find a formula that would convert the account (SP, ISK, ITEMS, TIME, everyting) into AUR, and then move the AUR to the new game. Something like every SP worth X AUR, every ISK worth Y AUR.... and the make it so players can move donate it to XXX caracter, both on eve, dust or even valky. Some good Ideas here. I think it could even be a vanity Item. Something unique and special. Like a pirate eye-patch printing for our specially badass colored dropsuits, that stands for the emotional scars and trauma we have lived through. Something cool we can tell the newberries about and laugh, like the old bastards we are I actually would be calmed by that, because it appeases my gamer-pride. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Tallen Ellecon 1845	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:52:00 - [89] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Why the hell do they even have to change the progression system in the first place? It works. I don't think they are limiting choices they are just rearranging it to make it more new player friendly. Then again I was expecting a DUST keynote, not a LEGION one. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
lordeh42 ideas not tolerated 21	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:53:00 - [90] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I think the issue isn`t anything apart from the simple fact that I doubt any DUST players will believe anything CCP or their representatives say again. It is nothing personal, its just the way it is. Legion may well turn out to be very good. However that does not mean a thing to the people who have spent literally years and real money on a dead game, that CCP knew was dead a long time ago

Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1213	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:53:00 - [91] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. A related question; If it was DUST 514 being ported to PC would it be legally problem free to give access to characters created on the PS3?
Forlorn Destrier 2409	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:55:00 - [92] - Quote drixon talaro wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here: 1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything. Other thoughts: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment) good for you bro you dont mind losing money, maybe you have an awesome job and can wipe your ass with money or maybe mommy and daddy bought it for you idk, but i feel im entitled to a refund when there making a brand new game and its not even going to be released on the same console.... even if they let sp and isk get carried over im not gonna go spend 500 dollars on a ps4 or even more on a gaming pc..... if thats what there going to do they took from me.... i mean jeez spec ops the line came out like 3 years ago and you can still play that game and theres is still a decent player base but at least they didnt let me spend real money on it just to stop making it I didn't lose money - it's not an investment. I purchased a service which I have enjoyed. And I'm not rich. I'm an adult who spent my own money because I made a choice to do so.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2974	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:58:00 - [93] - Quote I seriously hope CCP pulls another desaster like they did with WoD and goes bancrupt. For me im not spending a single cent for neither dust, eve or other games that CCP develop. You just bite the hand that feed you. Does CCP really think that any 1 with common sense believes this "we are still going to support PS3" propaganda? We had beeing promised alot of stuff including PVE which got scratched and now assigned to Legion and today they showed their true colours. This game wont see any significant improvments, there wont be true new content so all what ive dreamed, worked and payd money for is gone. And dont fking tell me to get Legion and start all over again! Im not going to ditch my 40 mil SP just so to start over again. I had enough off this bollocks dust was nothing else then just a big beta for legion. You collected money to fund the development for Legion from the Dust players. And recent presentation aswell confirmed it when the devs talked about this and that in Legion and when they had beeing asked about how much of that stuff is going to be in dust they went quiet. I wont care for this game anymore even if you pulled a event out of the hat with a gazillion SP to earn. Dust getting orted to PC. Stop playing now and dont feed CCP any more money!
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 148	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:59:00 - [94] - Quote I really can't see a wipe. They want to throw us in the sandbox. Meaning the few people with way to many SP should be spread over the entire universe. So you are less likely to run into overwhelming Vets. And with the expansion for eve that universe is going to get bigger. Pilots are going to be able to find new planets and will need our support to take/hold them. I personally think they might lose a lot of console gamers with the switch though. But hey at least the kb/m user will stop QQ. "It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1214	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:02:00 - [95] - Quote VonSpliff wrote: I really can't see a wipe. They want to throw us in the sandbox. Meaning the few people with way to many SP should be spread over the entire universe. So you are less likely to run into overwhelming Vets. And with the expansion for eve that universe is going to get bigger. Pilots are going to be able to find new planets and will need our support to take/hold them. I personally think they might lose a lot of console gamers with the switch though. But hey at least the kb/m user will stop QQ. Not been paying attention have you?...
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 167	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:02:00 - [96] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Hey CCP Logibro, is it such a difficult move to take dust to the PS4? It seems a logical answer with legion on the horizon. One would think Sony would be pushing for such a migration with the lack of titles currently on PS4. Dust514 is a perfect project for the PS4 with the new tech that they haven't even begin to use yet. Letting dust die would be absolutely foolish when you have the market cornered like this! I have a PS4 and I still play dust on PS3 while my wife uses the PS4 for movie watching! Sony and CCP need to see the potential in a migration to go along with legion, and the potential for really making eve and dust merge into cross console activity! With the PS4's video chat capabilities this would gain players from all genres both on PC and and console! Move the game, or watch it loose weight in the player interest department?! The cloaks didn't help player retention at all?! The dedicated and invested are the only ones still playing dust, by the way, if you haven't noticed?! I consistantly fight the same guys multiple times a day, from the same corps?! If we are to even talk well about dust to other potential players, the "harry potter" foolishness must go in this game?! This game is for the hardcore player no doubt. Right now lower lvl players are in constant isk grind mode with nothing coming their way in terms of events or new things like legion?! If dust isn't balanced and about battling as a unit by 2.0, with an active trade market, it's all but done?! Active trade market, open world pve, balance, fix cloaks, and work the PS4 migration part. Then this game will truly take off no question as you guys ideas and creativity can not be matched by the call of duty creators. They can't keep up. Thank you "Anybody order chaos?"
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2292	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:03:00 - [97] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you can't won't be able to confirm player form 514 and legion are the same players to allocate a certain amount of SP, even if they supply the same email address. Ballacks. SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. And our AUR? Collection edition suits? Skinweave closed beta suits?
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 254	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:03:00 - [98] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Skihids wrote: It's not just the money, it's the hundreds of hours we put in grinding away for SP. Those of us who experienced 5-6 character wipes since closed beta were promised that we would never again have to start from scratch. Since then we invested a huge number of hours to gain SP for progression. Take all that away and there is little incentive to start all over again. it would break the promise (I don't care if you call it a "new game", it's the replacement for DUST), and it would be the last broken promise for me. Agreed. It has a rail rifle. It has a HMG. It has a Madrugar. We have clones that can use those things, that theoretically exist "for real" in New Eden. Character transfers or infinite rage! assault (plasma) rifle confrimed as well, along with gallente assault. it's ******* dust. Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast. Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
137H4RGIC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 163	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:05:00 - [99] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. It's simple. Take data screenshots of each character of what they can use. Enable them to use it in Legion. I paid you guys over 500 dollars for my accounts. Make it happen, I have faith in you.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 581	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:06:00 - [100] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Make a public promise of character preservation and commit to it. Very simple. Anything less just projects a lack of drive to accomplish what is necessary to preserve CCP's reputation.

Jin no kami Valor Coalition Red Whines. 52	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:08:00 - [101] - Quote It was a money grab the event was to been saying for months now don't spend money on dust it felt like moh warfighter
Beartrocity TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 16	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:09:00 - [102] - Quote Next up! CCP will simply change the name of their company and move to another country! Kota's Tank Rager
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 597	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:10:00 - [103] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here: 1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything. Other thoughts: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment) I agree that refunds don't make sense. The way this was handled couldn't have been much worse though and the claims and advertising on Dust have been deceptive. If things simply didn't work out as planned with the PS3, I think almost everyone can understand, but there were no attempts to lower expectations or explain the limits thst were being bumped against and explain that there was a way forward, instead everything was done to deceive us that Dust was here for the long haul and that we should keep investing in it. That was wrong, that is why so many people are mad and so few happy about the prospect of the new game. Because, that's why.
Nelo Angel0 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 258	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:17:00 - [104] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here: 1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything. Other thoughts: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment) I agree that refunds don't make sense. The way this was handled couldn't have been much worse though and the claims and advertising on Dust have been deceptive. If things simply didn't work out as planned with the PS3, I think almost everyone can understand, but there were no attempts to lower expectations or explain the limits thst were being bumped against and explain that there was a way forward, instead everything was done to deceive us that Dust was here for the long haul and that we should keep investing in it. That was wrong, that is why so many people are mad and so few happy about the prospect of the new game. Let us all pray sony decides to hire a new studio for MAG2 on PS4 that way we'll never need a game like Dust. MAG was fun just lacked updates, under another studio with updates and more content a MAG2 would be freggin awesome. Let's not even kid ourselves the only reason we played Dust was because MAG died and Dust reminded everyone of MAG. ps. i sadi MAG so much that the word has lost meaning and now sounds weird
NAV HIV Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1705	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:18:00 - [105] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here? I'll try to fight you in Destiny... Hopefully you'll be a hunter there
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13333	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:19:00 - [106] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here? I'll try to fight you in Destiny... Hopefully you'll be a hunter there Will Destiny be for PC? My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Incubus, Gallente Proud
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2297	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:20:00 - [107] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here? I'll try to fight you in Destiny... Hopefully you'll be a hunter there Oh boy, 4v4 fps fun roll eyes I actually can't wait for Destiny, but it's no real loss Dust replacement.
NAV HIV Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1707	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:21:00 - [108] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you can't won't be able to confirm player form 514 and legion are the same players to allocate a certain amount of SP, even if they supply the same email address. Ballacks. SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. And our AUR? Collection edition suits? Skinweave closed beta suits? Dren suits ?! Which cost $100 per pack ? !
Your Absolut End The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 439	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:21:00 - [109] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. If theres no possibility in transferring a Dust char to eve legion, I hope you guys now that you cut your own flesh. You are developers in the gaming industry and players are not the non-vocal type of person. I am terribly sure, if theres no way to get my char into legion, I won't be the only guy doing my very best to disrupt eve:legion from the get go. Never ever declare your own community war.You will lose. another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
NAV HIV Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1707	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:22:00 - [110] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here? I'll try to fight you in Destiny... Hopefully you'll be a hunter there Oh boy, 4v4 fps fun roll eyes I actually can't wait for Destiny, but it's no real loss Dust replacement. PS2 is there too...

Jadek Menaheim Ancient Textiles. 2922	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:22:00 - [111] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I am very concerned this information was not prepared ahead of time for presentation at Eve Fanfest. That feels poorly calculated. I don't always fight dropships, but when I do... "A Møøse once bit my sister"
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2297	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:25:00 - [112] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I am very concerned this information was not prepared ahead of time for presentation at Eve Fanfest. That feels poorly calculated. So you finally noticed?
Jadek Menaheim Ancient Textiles. 2922	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:31:00 - [113] - Quote @crazy space 1 Getting through a lot of twitter responses at the moment. A better space to share information and frustration with circles beyond the game. I don't always fight dropships, but when I do... "A Møøse once bit my sister"
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1213	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:32:00 - [114] - Quote wait so let me get this straight, we've been playing this game for 2 years some have spent money on it and now all of a sudden its getting scrapped and turn into a pc game? what must i spend more cash to buy a high end gaming pc just to play dust? so in a sense CCP conned everyone into thinking that they are making a game for the ps3 and promising plenty of other things, then get players to spend cash on it and at FF announce that they want to get rid of it and put it on pc? i've never been so mad at CCP, i've stuck with dust through thick and thin and then BOOM keynotes its like CCP kicking us in the balls then robbing us. so well done CCP well done, the first game i played from you guys and this happens. well suffice to say that once your "legion: comes out and dust is dead, i'll never try any of your games just because you as a company are full of S-H-I-T. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
A recent Recruit Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 38	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:37:00 - [115] - Quote Characters transfers, refunds or a claw action lawsuit CCP, you have 3 choices, and I'm waiting on an answer.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3525	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:38:00 - [116] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: All Saberwing has responded to on Twitter are these questions... They don't know what they'll do currently. Beyond what people think, yea, CCP has the data.. But how can you get new players when you transfer 50 to 60 million SP characters to a new game? The impact wouldn't really be felt. The reason It is now is that the remnants of the player base mostly have high sp counts, which will be diluted with bigger player counts. The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game Caldari Scout // specialized tank destroyer
Ani X United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 86	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:44:00 - [117] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: ContraBanJoe wrote: SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? I don't trust anything they say after today. How could you? I mean they LIED about the Dust Keynote being about Dust. They KNEW they were killing Dust. There are people who spent thousands of dollars going to Iceland because of a game they knew they were killing. This sounds hyperbolic, but they are deceitful and there is no other way to put it. They could have saved people real world dollars by being upfront about this. I'll never be able to forgive CCP for that. Not to mention the dollars I've spent on this game. And Legion is a different game, the AUR issue is null and void as well as any problem they might have had with the BPO reimbursement. Quote for Truth!
Blood Immortal Bank of DUST 514 10	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:45:00 - [118] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Please stop treating us like we are idiots! Transferring us over is easy NOT hard! Let me spend oh 2 seconds thinking about it. 1) Char names easy add them to the new game first 2) isk transfer, convert and put in account and call it whatever isk , disk , l$ whatever, 3)SP same as isk convert and put in account, 4) loot a) convert to dust isk equivalent and then convert to new game isk b) convert to new game items 5) AUR same 6) BPO same if have in new game, if not convert to aur and then convert aur to new game. Now for code, ummm lets see oh I know lets us the scripts we use for respecs they work and poof everything is done! Now lets deal with Sony, if their truly is a policy question about who owns this stuff ccp vs sony (which I doubt their is) then ccp could still do all of the above except for item 1) and still be legal. Now lets see them try and tell us how hard this would be and see them double speak to us!
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1472	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:50:00 - [119] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you can't won't be able to confirm player form 514 and legion are the same players to allocate a certain amount of SP, even if they supply the same email address. Ballacks. SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. Work out what 1 year of progression in Legion is. For people with 1 year of progression in dust give them the equivalent in Legion. Adjust depending on SP. Would that be possible? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 610	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:54:00 - [120] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: All Saberwing has responded to on Twitter are these questions... They don't know what they'll do currently. Beyond what people think, yea, CCP has the data.. But how can you get new players when you transfer 50 to 60 million SP characters to a new game? the same way they get new players in eve even though 10yr vets (like me) have over 140m sp. SP isn't whats driving players away, its the broke a** game mechanics, matchmaking and new player experience (or lack thereof) thats driving new and old players away. to shaft the folk who supported DUST by buying merc packs and even the EVE collectors edition would be a really bad decision and the way things are going for CCP i dont think they can handle another hit due to 'bad decisions' Rolling with the punches

Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 610	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:57:00 - [121] - Quote oh and to be honest, the guys still putting up with dust are the guys who would be the ones spreadign the word for Legion to be successful. if we get shafted they're pretty much handing out nails to the coffin before th egames even released Rolling with the punches
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 204	Posted - 2014.05.02 17:58:00 - [122] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I've worked at the UN before, and this answer is one of the most confused, mysterious, and nonsensical public statements that I have ever seen. Even the documents I had to write were less esoteric than this. "Technical Questions and Restrictions" ---> Scaring people with things that they don't understand. What is a technical question when you're on TWO separate consoles. "SONY". ---> How is sony even REMOTELY involved in Project Legion. "We want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet." ---> What in the royal heck does that mean? You mean you're going to magically lose everyone's account info on Dust 514. You know what, if you were planning to drop this game, at least you should just have said it straight up. I'm not a super dedicated player, but as an individual with dignity, I'm going to say that you're screwing us over like Dice did with BF4, and that if you WANT TO WIPE THE SLATE, that you should JUST SAY SO RIGHT NOW, instead of giving everyone FALSE HOPES. ---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 612	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:01:00 - [123] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. It shouldn't come to this Locking Bro. You queers sit up there in Iceland and laugh at us PS3 players. You knew all along what direction this game was going. Yes I am bitter and hurt. The hours I've spent to only be told the game is going away. You'll get yours in the end. When CCP does get it, I will be the first one there pointing and laughing. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
freed bird Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 16	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:02:00 - [124] - Quote keno trader wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I've worked at the UN before, and this answer is one of the most confused, mysterious, and nonsensical public statements that I have ever seen. Even the documents I had to write were less esoteric than this. "Technical Questions and Restrictions" ---> Scaring people with things that they don't understand. What is a technical question when you're on TWO separate consoles. "SONY". ---> How is sony even REMOTELY involved in Project Legion. "We want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet." ---> What in the royal heck does that mean? You mean you're going to magically lose everyone's account info on Dust 514. You know what, if you were planning to drop this game, at least you should just have said it straight up. I'm not a super dedicated player, but as an individual with dignity, I'm going to say that you're screwing us over like Dice did with BF4, and that if you WANT TO WIPE THE SLATE, that you should JUST SAY SO RIGHT NOW, instead of giving everyone FALSE HOPES. Exactly.
The Jungian Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:04:00 - [125] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Remember guys, its just a video game Thats one hell of a thing for you to say. Go write a DUST poem about this move by CCP pls.
alten hilt DUST University Ivy League 242	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:12:00 - [126] - Quote CCP, I respect your desire to get player feedback and make Project Legion the sandbox shooter we've all wanted... However, I wonder why you've chosen to reveal Project Legion now. Rebooting seemed inevitable to me, even 6 months ago, but Legion looks to be 1 - 2 years in the future. You've alienated players simply because so many details haven't even been worked out!! Without a clear vision of the future, players are making up their own, and in the process are feeling abandoned and betrayed. I understand people's rage. I started playing (and paying for) DUST because it promised a "Sandbox shooter". A promise it has consistently failed to achieve, and I've felt rage at this betrayal. I stopped spending money when I realized DUST 514 would not be able to fulfill that vision, Legion feels like a return to the original idea, but considering the state of your first promise of a sandbox shooter, why should I believe you when you say Project Legion will fulfill that vision? If DUST is your evidence, why are you creating a "different project, with different development tracks"? This I think, is the core of player's complaints/tears/rage/concerns, and this is the elephant in the room that you need to clearly address with your players. You have an uphill battle ahead of you, and I don't envy your position; no matter what you say, you're going to lose players, even if what project Legion offers is what they always wanted. Personally, I'm committed to the Sandbox Shooter dream, and will be here offering ideas, suggestions and comments. However, I will likely be more reserved with my wallet this time around, until you clearly demonstrate a product that fulfills my Sandbox Dream (CCP, follow the link for ideas on how to better implement a Sandbox shooter. ) Making DUST 514 a Sandbox Shooter
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2301	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:14:00 - [127] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: @crazy space 1 Getting through a lot of twitter responses at the moment. A better space to share information and frustration with circles beyond the game. I actually meant since skirmish 1.0 was shown off in 2012 at fanfest then as "one of the smaller gamemodes"
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization 217	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:19:00 - [128] - Quote All I want is my name and stats (KD, Wins, etc.) everything else can be erased but maybe give Dust players a boost (a set amount of bonus SP/Isk) we did waste time (and money) into this Spademan wrote: SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. Work out what 1 year of progression in Legion is. For people with 1 year of progression in dust give them the equivalent in Legion. Adjust depending on SP. Would that be possible? [/quote] This is acceptable and probably doable I approve and when they catch you, they will kill you. but first they must catch you Minmatar are the Macguyvers of New Eden CBV
Yan Darn Science For Death Final Resolution. 760	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:21:00 - [129] - Quote alten hilt wrote: CCP, I respect your desire to get player feedback and make Project Legion the sandbox shooter we've all wanted... However, I wonder why you've chosen to reveal Project Legion now. Rebooting seemed inevitable to me, even 6 months ago, but Legion looks to be 1 - 2 years in the future. You've alienated players simply because so many details haven't even been worked out!! Without a clear vision of the future, players are making up their own, and in the process are feeling abandoned and betrayed. I understand people's rage. I started playing (and paying for) DUST because it promised a "Sandbox shooter". A promise it has consistently failed to achieve, and I've felt rage at this betrayal. I stopped spending money when I realized DUST 514 would not be able to fulfill that vision, Legion feels like a return to the original idea, but considering the state of your first promise of a sandbox shooter, why should I believe you when you say Project Legion will fulfill that vision? If DUST is your evidence, why are you creating a "different project, with different development tracks"? This I think, is the core of player's complaints/tears/rage/concerns, and this is the elephant in the room that you need to clearly address with your players. You have an uphill battle ahead of you, and I don't envy your position; no matter what you say, you're going to lose players, even if what project Legion offers is what they always wanted. Personally, I'm committed to the Sandbox Shooter dream, and will be here offering ideas, suggestions and comments. However, I will likely be more reserved with my wallet this time around, until you clearly demonstrate a product that fulfills my Sandbox Dream (CCP, follow the link for ideas on how to better implement a Sandbox shooter. ) I apologise for quoting such a long post. However I could not have expressed myself any better than this. The Ghost of Bravo
Bat Cow Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:21:00 - [130] - Quote alten hilt wrote: CCP, I respect your desire to get player feedback and make Project Legion the sandbox shooter we've all wanted... However, I wonder why you've chosen to reveal Project Legion now. Rebooting seemed inevitable to me, even 6 months ago, but Legion looks to be 1 - 2 years in the future. You've alienated players simply because so many details haven't even been worked out!! Without a clear vision of the future, players are making up their own, and in the process are feeling abandoned and betrayed. They announced it now because the sooner Dust dies off, the more people they can divert to Legion. Moo.

iliel Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 39	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:21:00 - [131] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Uh, isn't it as easy as so and so has an account with X lifetime SP in Dust. X lifetime X SP = Y lifetime SP in Legion. Thus so and so starts off with Y lifetime SP in Legion.
Pr0phetzReck0ning KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 204	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:23:00 - [132] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? LOL now THATS A TRYHARD FOLKS. Spendin $600 on this BETA only to get dooped in the butt. I feel sorry for you, sir. But you deserve a slow clap, atleast for your commitment. slow fukin clap
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 411	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:24:00 - [133] - Quote New Eden, When your choices really matter.. except if you play Dust where we are gonna @#$@ you over for some French guys BS. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Pr0phetzReck0ning KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 204	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:26:00 - [134] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you respond to whether character transfers can/will/may/may not happen but NOT that Dust is dead huh? Guess you agree that Dust is in fact dead. You're a doodlebutt
Jimmy McNaulty NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 90	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:26:00 - [135] - Quote This.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7615	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:28:00 - [136] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Couldn't you simply copy & paste the data over manually? I know you have the ability to read/write Character info. Would it not be possible to have people simply file a help ticket with their PSN information, view the info from a DUST 514 Character, and then edit the same info an EVE: Legion character of their choice? CCP Rouge (Crowd Control Productions - EVE: Legion) DUST 514 Kills: 6,186,300 \| Deaths: 0
Corban Lahnder SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 163	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:34:00 - [137] - Quote I have been playing dust since build one. So I have to ask the devs a question I would like them to answer thoughtfully. Why should I or anyone else continue playing dust? Logibros comments indicate that they simply don't know enough about Legacy at this point to say weather or not we will be able to transition over from dust. From my point of view the whole fun of dust is the community and the mmo fun of leveling your character. If you don't know how or if we will be able to transfer over to legacy with sp and assets why should we continue playing? Im not saying this from a, "GRRR I'm mad at you!" point of view, but from a, "logic would dictate," point of view. If I don't know my merc will have any impact on the eve universe other then the current back and forth of FW,(which I do for the gear, not the story line, which could also could be nullified if there's no character asset transfer), I would simply stop playing until I knew more, or essentially I would be wasting my time. To be perfectly honest "We simply don't know," Is probably worse then just, No or Yes, simply because it de-incentivizes any ones reason to play until they do know what would happen. I'm going to have to check with my corpies to see if they share my sentiments. I want to continue work with my corporation because we've had some fun times together, but if anyone of them hung up there dropsuits because of this announcement, honestly, I couldn't hold it against them. I look forward to your response.
pseudosnipre 711	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:38:00 - [138] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. I hope you're sponsored by Revlon...good lipstick is expensive! Seriously though, best of luck retaining customers. Looking forward to CCP's "official" plan for calming everyone down after concurrently lowering the price of Omega boosters and having 2x/3x SP events leading up to FanFest. I'm just hoping Sony doesn't hold our account data hostage until you repay all the refund requests Sony is going to be wading through. I have faith in you guys, but your track record indicates that you are more interested in customer acquisition than retention... Although I do like that Legion looks like the game we have been describing on the forums. Not sure any othe firm has found a way to get consultants to PAY for the opportunity to provide good ideas. Well played, New Eden. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven 241	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:39:00 - [139] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Ya **** you DEV & justice for all
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3658	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:43:00 - [140] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? LOL now THATS A TRYHARD FOLKS. Spendin $600 on this BETA only to get dooped in the butt. I feel sorry for you, sir. But you deserve a slow clap, atleast for your commitment. slow fukin clap Or maybe just a grown up with disposable income that he decided to use on something that he enjoys. Level 3 Forum Warrior

Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 898	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:43:00 - [141] - Quote alten hilt wrote: CCP, I respect your desire to get player feedback and make Project Legion the sandbox shooter we've all wanted... However, I wonder why you've chosen to reveal Project Legion now. Rebooting seemed inevitable to me, even 6 months ago, but Legion looks to be 1 - 2 years in the future. You've alienated players simply because so many details haven't even been worked out!! Without a clear vision of the future, players are making up their own, and in the process are feeling abandoned and betrayed. I understand people's rage. I started playing (and paying for) DUST because it promised a "Sandbox shooter". A promise it has consistently failed to achieve, and I've felt rage at this betrayal. I stopped spending money when I realized DUST 514 would not be able to fulfill that vision, Legion feels like a return to the original idea, but considering the state of your first promise of a sandbox shooter, why should I believe you when you say Project Legion will fulfill that vision? If DUST is your evidence, why are you creating a "different project, with different development tracks"? This I think, is the core of player's complaints/tears/rage/concerns, and this is the elephant in the room that you need to clearly address with your players. You have an uphill battle ahead of you, and I don't envy your position; no matter what you say, you're going to lose players, even if what project Legion offers is what they always wanted. Personally, I'm committed to the Sandbox Shooter dream, and will be here offering ideas, suggestions and comments. However, I will likely be more reserved with my wallet this time around, until you clearly demonstrate a product that fulfills my Sandbox Dream (CCP, follow the link for ideas on how to better implement a Sandbox shooter. ) I have a feeling that this is the reason we have seen no CPM1 voting or any attempt to actually finish Dust by CCP. You have hit the nail on the head Sir. Thank-you, I am down to one controller from 4 this morning due to my displeasure with the announcement. CCP should respond but we all know how often they look at the Dust forums, anyone have a link to the Legion forums? A Brave New Eden Forge a new destiny
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3658	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:45:00 - [142] - Quote Corban Lahnder wrote: I have been playing dust since build one. So I have to ask the devs a question I would like them to answer thoughtfully. Why should I or anyone else continue playing dust? Logibros comments indicate that they simply don't know enough about Legacy at this point to say weather or not we will be able to transition over from dust. From my point of view the whole fun of dust is the community and the mmo fun of leveling your character. If you don't know how or if we will be able to transfer over to legacy with sp and assets why should we continue playing? Im not saying this from a, "GRRR I'm mad at you!" point of view, but from a, "logic would dictate," point of view. If I don't know my merc will have any impact on the eve universe other then the current back and forth of FW,(which I do for the gear, not the story line, which could also be nullified if there's no character asset transfer), I would simply stop playing until I knew more, or essentially I would be wasting my time. To be perfectly honest "We simply don't know," Is probably worse then just, No or Yes, simply because it de-incentivizes any ones reason to play until they do know what would happen. I'm going to have to check with my corpies to see if they share my sentiments. I want to continue work with my corporation because we've had some fun times together, but if anyone of them hung up there dropsuits because of this announcement, honestly, I couldn't hold it against them. I look forward to your response. They didn't mind misleading Dust players into buying plane tickets to Iceland. Why not just make up a bunch of other stuff about Legion? We'll give you all your SP and assets and you'll get to have dinner with the hot chick that's doing the voice for Valkerie Level 3 Forum Warrior
The Jungian Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:53:00 - [143] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: They didn't mind misleading Dust players into buying plane tickets to Iceland. Why not just make up a bunch of other stuff about Legion? Valid point. I guess they will get satisfaction of watching some CCP devs get beat up tho. But then again, I bet that was just a lie to make a lot of regretful customers happy.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 269	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:54:00 - [144] - Quote Port to PS4? No Keep your stuff on PC? No CCP- Welcome to New Eden
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 613	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:56:00 - [145] - Quote Atiim wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Couldn't you simply copy & paste the data over manually? I know you have the ability to read/write Character info. Would it not be possible to have people simply file a help ticket with their PSN information, view the info from a DUST 514 Character, and then edit the same info an EVE: Legion character of their choice? character data is all tranq side. just as we can see and view and chat with peopel in eve, so i sall out data and its also why i cant name a character in dust the same as one in eve. they're all in the same data tables. the ps3 client holds the stuff ps3 needs. its the way EVE can run on macs and pc's of different specs. you just need a client to access tranquility. all this talk of moving chars over is pure BS personally. i can fire up any ps3 in the world that has dust on it. enter my psn details and my char is there without any save game on the ps3. just as i can log in to eve on any pc or mac and my char will be there. don't be fooled by dismissive comments about "its difficult to move them over" the data for the char is already there Rolling with the punches
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United Caps and Mercs 263	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:00:00 - [146] - Quote Some of us are professionnal Game developper and understand the burden of platform migration for whatever the political reason higher management has decided with the real numbers in hands. You should not have released this information at fanfest, I can only think of how the duster that went there feel right now. Even if there is a ratio of SP given to character transfer, Dust atm, is only that, we do not play to play, we farm most of the time. While doing this we stick with friends (the real reason to stick around). If too much people feel that there is no reason to farm anymore because there is no long term goal anymore and you drop our character in the void, people will flee and you will keep this stigmatae with the next product. What garantee will we have you do not do it again ? The customer trust right now is in jeopardy, tell the upper management not to repeat the mistake they did in Eve, so that some heads do not roll on the floor like last time !
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:06:00 - [147] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. The answer is you made it diffrent so you wouldnt have to, I hope all you ***** ass devs lose your jobs... You are part of the betryal as well.
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 138	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:12:00 - [148] - Quote Well, it turns out Zipper Interactive wasnt sucha bad developer after all, after taking part of these news, CCP... I aint buying a PC (its a working station for me, nothing for gaming) just to start over. You've absolutely lost yourself a player here if this is really what's happening and yes, I too have spent alot of time and money on this....
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3664	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:18:00 - [149] - Quote J0hlss0n wrote: Well, it turns out Zipper Interactive wasnt sucha bad developer after all, after taking part of these news, CCP... I aint buying a PC (its a working station for me, nothing for gaming) just to start over. You've absolutely lost yourself a player here if this is really what's happening and yes, I too have spent alot of time and money on this.... Just make sure I know which game you'll be playing. I don't want to be against you! Level 3 Forum Warrior
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:22:00 - [150] - Quote ... I read SOME Gamer/PC websites' interviews with Legion's "Producer" Jean-Charles Gaudechon. I understand he's new on the job, and comes from EA's mindset on shooter games and PC games... but he speaks almost back-handedly about Dust 514 like a kid talking about his "grandparents"....(you know, "I luv them, but they're the PAST and they were just the wrong people to do this right"). Someone thinking like he does CAN'T successfully build Dust's full identity. To do that, the devs were right---you HAD to pull it off of PC and format it in the viscreral console-gamer atmosphere. Yes, there will be a river of underlying contemptuous-cracks, even inside CCP's studios, about how Legion will be Dust 514 finally built as intended. ....I just don't think PC nor the mindset of Legion's producer is going to make that happen. If Legion does become a happy release (at least 6 months away before we know anything), it is likely to be a Capsuleer game, only in a SUIT instead of a Spaceship. That's not what Dust 514 was intended to be or was developing into. Dust was to produce a realm of Fighting-Mercenaries. You contract via Capsuleers to help them take or defend owned districts (even PvE add-ons of this were going to be based around an owned or sought-after district.), and THAT is your business. The contract-theme never conceptualized a combat-merc prospecting around on her own.... there's no way for her to be transported from one planet to another except as cattle on a warbarge during a Capsuleer's Contract. Legion sounds like it primary goal is building that "sandbox" for us. CELESTA is on her own, hanging out at 'home', wants some ISK or gear, (why can't she buy it on the markeplaces from the comfort of her sofa like in Dust, forgot her userID?), visits planet surfaces by way of a warp-teleport unit of some sort, combs for stuff sticking out of the ground, bumps into or finds out about (via a starmap-search-engine device) dangerous drones or other players to compete against. Maybe hears about a fight going on somewhere, and joins in to have some kill-fun. Maybe just an explorer's career path of scavenging for stuff.... THAT's being a "character" from EVE ONline, not being a character from Dust 514. It's not the military-merc who's rigid business is slay-on-hire, war-on-contract, pay my price and I'll burn whole moons! Legion reads like Eve's privateer aspect getting it's own title, it's NOT Dust 514's function finally somehow being accomplished via PC. Sounds like Eve Online's gameplay component is being slipped out of a Pod and into a Surface Suit. And good for them. It's about fun. But it's being a privateer. Privateering is cool, and it's what Eve Online allowed with spaceships, but I don't find the walking around danger zones prospecting for my profit appealing enough to want to pay their game. I'm a true merc, and I don't do "miner's digging" for the pot of gold I seek... I want to to get paid for killing and snatching....in bulk wholesale (OMG, that sounds evil). Dust isn't there yet, but that's the objective. Privateer/scavenger/exploring in an environmental suit (...if I'm not using it for the sole purpose of COMBAT, is it a combat "dropsuit" anymore?), I don't think my Dust SP, killing-only equipment, and bonuses will be very applicable, would it?.... So Legion likely won't be for me, and I won't need my account transferred. If Dust 514 expires in the future (and I KNOW expiration is not going to happen any time in the next few years), I'm having a basket-load of fun in this experiment, and I'll be watching (and participating) in what comes next with Gallente-merc grin!

Jack Kittinger Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 220	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:24:00 - [151] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Port to PS4? No Keep your stuff on PC? No You are now leaving New Eden fixed it XD Proud winner of the 'Templar BPO Raffle' by Castor Crave!! Lucky Number 29
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 332	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:25:00 - [152] - Quote I think we should be allowed to carry over some of our SP, maybe up to some limit, like 10 million, and the rest could be converted into rewards that players can choose, such as unique supercharged passive and active boosters, or the equivalent. I also think there should be some kind of carryover rewards for players based on how much real money they put into Dust.
The Jungian Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:26:00 - [153] - Quote J0hlss0n wrote: Well, it turns out Zipper Interactive wasnt sucha bad developer after all, after taking part of these news, CCP... I aint buying a PC (its a working station for me, nothing for gaming) just to start over. You've absolutely lost yourself a player here if this is really what's happening and yes, I too have spent alot of time and money on this.... CCP wont bother. For every dedicated player/vet that leaves DUST, +20 COD/BF players will be joining in.
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 819	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:26:00 - [154] - Quote if anyone has said logibro specifically stated they wont be doing it at all theyre lying. i was there when he spoke about the issue because i was the one who requested a dev presence for an official response. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 333	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:29:00 - [155] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: Privateering is cool, and it's what Eve Online allowed with spaceships, but I don't find the walking around danger zones prospecting for my profit appealing enough to want to pay their game. I'm a true merc, and I don't do "miner's digging" for the pot of gold I seek... I want to to get paid for killing and snatching....in bulk wholesale (OMG, that sounds evil). Dust isn't there yet, but that's the objective. Privateer/scavenger/exploring in an environmental suit (...if I'm not using it for the sole purpose of COMBAT, is it a combat "dropsuit" anymore?), I don't think my Dust SP, killing-only equipment, and bonuses will be very applicable, would it?.... So Legion likely won't be for me, and I won't need my account transferred. If Dust 514 expires in the future (and I KNOW expiration is not going to happen any time in the next few years), I'm having a basket-load of fun in this experiment, and I'll be watching (and participating) in what comes next with Gallente-merc grin! I'm sure there will continue to be contracts, factional warfare, and PC or the equivalent (hopefully all much more fully realized) so need to hang up the dropsuit. There will be plenty of opportunities for pure merc play.
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 35	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:31:00 - [156] - Quote all our money wasted so they can put dust514 on the pc ... lot of dust514 fans got disappointed on this news... some are interested but there's mor disappointed fans
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 60	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:36:00 - [157] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. Then make sure it happens.
Big Burns Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 152	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:41:00 - [158] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. THEN PUT IT ON THE PS4 dumba**es! Possibly the best around.
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:46:00 - [159] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So yall have been working on this for months behind closed doors but did not have the forethought to know this would be a big question? I find that hard to believe.
Detective Scroats OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:52:00 - [160] - Quote All these people want is for their characters to be more powerful than the other people that play Legion starting out. You have done a damn fine job of making Dust tangibly irrelevant to Eve while convincing every single Dust player that this would change. Those numbers at the beginning of the Keynote were meaningless. It is not hard to understand that the Isk in Dust and the Isk in Eve were not combined for a good reason.....because they simply weren't the same money. Isk in name only for the poor economic juggernaut dreamers. There aren't that many Dust players, this shouldn't even be an issue. Otherwise you just lied and coerced your way through two years of beta tests for your new Legion game. Not to mention all the "real actual money" that was spent for this pea shooter that doesn't even measure up to anything resembling a "AAA" experience. This Legion is exactly what you promised, without holding yourselves to the promise of persistence. That same persistence that is the supreme selling point of Crowd Control Productions. Different game my ass, that was a familiar rail rifle. Your next steps may seem to be not very consequential considering how few of us dusters really exist. But I sure hope your really despicable treatment of the small dedicated group of people does not go unnoticed to the Eve players and prospective Eve subscribers. Whom you very much rely on. I feel only with the shear will of everyone who gives CCP their time and their dime, will this injustice be rectified. SP is a design question no doubt. Doesn't mean that it is not a pathetic excuse and deflecting. But what about all the design questions that were figured out by us? By admitting that giving us our SP is a design issue means that it can be fixed without real monetary/legal loss. But above all don't play stupid with us. Dust keynote = nothing but legion reveal? It is a new product. If Legion is fun then it should not be a big deal giving us few hundred/thousand Diehards a leg up on the next race. How much should be scaled based on how much time was put into playing dust. simple as that, it doesn't even have to be a very big head start. P.S. We have played for two years on about 10 maps. Can you guys at least do those poor suckers who gave you their money a solid and make more places to fight our irrelevant war? Your entire company was based on persistence, that's how you created a crowd to control and monetize. You did your company a huge solid by parting ways with sony, now do us one by making the right choices and making Legion the game to play over destiny, halo, battlefront. you can do it now, but don't throw so many huge fans under the bus... Don't do it, Im super serial guys

Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 274	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:55:00 - [161] - Quote Well they'll tell us they have a surprise in the forest and walk us out there, tell us to look at the pretty flowers and then Bam! PvE 2014
Big Burns Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 154	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:57:00 - [162] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. How can you even show your face on the forums? You betrayed us! Fancy it up all you like, you know this is BS. YOU KNOW! Possibly the best around.
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 1256	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:03:00 - [163] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. I can't speak for everyone, but all I care about is SP transfer. Assets I can accrue again quickly, but SP takes time, and I have invested aurum (thus, real world money) into boosters to have a decent rate of progression, and I want my money's worth. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Top Men. 121	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:03:00 - [164] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. CCP collects data on eveyr single player, even EVE side i can ook up my dust merc. Figure out your new skill tree, which i assume to be identical, and let people file a ticket, claim thier character and you give them the equivaent isk/ SP. Its not rocket science, and its the least we deserve for being guniea pigs. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 35	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:05:00 - [165] - Quote here what happen ccp use sony to get our money and move back to microsoft..
Sergeant Sazu SINISTER DEATH SQUAD 42	Posted - 2014.05.02 22:01:00 - [166] - Quote I personally don't mind if they reset the ISK and SP. ISK is easily recovered, and I've made some mistakes with my SP, so I wouldn't mind a reset for that. Plus, an SP reset might be necessary, as transferring it would once again contradict our "improve the new player experience" motto, since it would create the same stomping situation by dropping people in Legion with 50 million SP. I've only bought the $20 Mercenary Pack long ago, I'll let that slide. For those who greatly invested only to receive a surprise-invalidation of their money, that's far from okay. I'm pretty sure there are some laws against giving out misleading information when it comes to products. Although there's this Sony Terms of Use thing that says they can alter the product as they please and it's at the consumer's own risk or something like that. This is a special situation that may or may not be lawsuit worthy. CCP could say that it was to fund Legion, however few or no one would consider that a justification. But then again, they're not altering the product, they're taking it away and offering a new one. The morality and semantics of this complex situation could be argued for days. Regardless of how justified or necessary any of this is, one thing is certain: It should not have been a surprise. It should have been communicated as a possibility when they started on it however many months ago. Kind of a "Hey, we're thinking about doing this, we'll work on it and see how it goes." But as usual, CCP doesn't communicate to the community nearly as much as they should. About a month or two ago, Planetside 2 was having a problem with their servers in Australia. So you know what happened? The community manager made an 8 or so paragraph post explaining the details of the problem, what they've tried to do to fix it, what they're going to try, and thanked everyone for being patient. That post was followed by at least 50 thank-yous from players, keep up the good work, and some technologically knowledgeable guys even suggested solutions. And that, is a good community. As for CCP, I don't know if there is a language barrier, or they simply don't want to tell us stuff. Which is understandable, I'd rather not deal with 5000 angry teenagers. But not trying is what brings us to today. Not having a clue what they're up to. Pondering whether or not they know what they're up to. Even going as low as to throw insults at CCP Logibro here, he's been good to us. Even if what they're doing at CCP HQ is aggravating, he's been a cool dude. Also remember we're not getting all the information, and a lot of the rage directed towards CCP is due to not knowing what's going on and being forced to make speculation. If everyone's time and effort is truly being invalidated, people have every right to be mad. However blatant insults don't help (they're also against the forum rules). Let's cool off a little. I find PC to be the superior gaming format. ...Under the right circumstances. I don't have a gaming PC, and I get around 25-35 FPS in Planetside 2 on medium graphics setting. With that performance, I can play, just not effectively. I don't know if Legion will be any better with performance, but I doubt I'll get anything good. But with the switch to PC, the playerbase could decrease because of everyone that can't or won't play. I'll try Legion, but if it's subscription, I can't. This 16 year old doesn't get paychecks or an allowance. The real question is, what will happen to the game we all love and despise? Considering Mr. Logibro spoke about matters of character transfer, that could imply that Dust will shut down. Or it will just be a one-time optional operation. It's best not to jump to conclusions. Will Dust become the guinea pig for balance changes in Legion? Test it in Dust, see if it works, put it in Legion? We'll have to see. I'm not deeply affected by this change other than an incapable PC. The console change is probably necessary for this first person shooter of New Eden to succeed, but I'm not equipped for it. Overall CCP, you hold consumers in your hand. Try not to drop them. While some people have no more than an emotional attachment AKA addiction to Dust, many have things on the line such as purchases and a lot of progress (ISK and SP). Being CEO of a small corp with some really cool people to laugh and rage with has made Dust much better for me lately. I'd hate to lose that if something doesn't go well. This is a huge change, and I hope it goes well. And there's my opinion, like it or not. -Grabs dual Assault Rifle Gallente Commando- You know what time it is. [SDS CEO]
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 663	Posted - 2014.05.02 22:27:00 - [167] - Quote The issue of whether or not progress(SP, ISK, AUR, items) will carry over is important. Should I keep building up my character because my progress won't carry over or should I just play for fun because no progress will be carried over? Should I keep purchasing AUR? This is one of those questions that players need a definite right now. I supported CCP vision for Dust514 by spending money on it. I'm happy that this vision is being slowly being realized in EVE: Legion. But I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be a little upset or sad if my contribution didn't get me anything extra. Medium frame EHP is not medium
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2332	Posted - 2014.05.02 22:32:00 - [168] - Quote medomai grey wrote: The issue of whether or not progress(SP, ISK, AUR, items) will carry over is important. Should I keep building up my character because my progress won't carry over or should I just play for fun because no progress will be carried over? Should I keep purchasing AUR? This is one of those questions that players need a definite right now. I supported CCP vision for Dust514 by spending money on it. I'm happy that this vision is being slowly being realized in EVE: Legion. But I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be a little upset or sad if my contribution didn't get me anything extra. Both games with run side by side mate. How could they bring over your stuff? They even keep sorta hinting that Legion might never be released! 1-800-345-SONY Press 2, then 2 again for PSN support. Get your refund today, be polite, they want to refund you.
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 665	Posted - 2014.05.02 22:44:00 - [169] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: medomai grey wrote: The issue of whether or not progress(SP, ISK, AUR, items) will carry over is important. Should I keep building up my character because my progress won't carry over or should I just play for fun because no progress will be carried over? Should I keep purchasing AUR? This is one of those questions that players need a definite right now. I supported CCP vision for Dust514 by spending money on it. I'm happy that this vision is being slowly being realized in EVE: Legion. But I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be a little upset or sad if my contribution didn't get me anything extra. Both games with run side by side mate. How could they bring over your stuff? They even keep sorta hinting that Legion might never be released! The future of Dust514, if Legion ever gets released will be in Legion. Dust514 would be on its death bed if it isn't already. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 327	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:07:00 - [170] - Quote Hey folks look on the bright side maybe they'll let us beta test the new game. And since Logibro says sp, items and isk work differently I imagine it's farther along than we're being told (or didn't anyone else notice that?) Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United Caps and Mercs 270	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:14:00 - [171] - Quote cant believe balance is done else would have been reflected in Dust... bull !
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2175	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:16:00 - [172] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. This matters. Please make sure you do what you can. You own the characters and stats, etc. Make it happen.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2176	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:19:00 - [173] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Lol, how so? Did they somehow not give you what you bought? I don't think "never going to PC" was ever part of the agreement.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3739	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:31:00 - [174] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. I can't speak for everyone, but all I care about is SP transfer. Assets I can accrue again quickly, but SP takes time, and I have invested aurum (thus, real world money) into boosters to have a decent rate of progression, and I want my money's worth. This, I am willing to learn how to play with a m/kb Level 3 Forum Warrior
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 362	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:32:00 - [175] - Quote It would be slightly unfair for us to all take our mountains of SP into a brand new game right off the bat so what they should do is convert your SP into AUR, allowing you to buy special DUST514-players-only boosters so you can get up to where you currently are, much faster than the other players of Legion who never played Dust. Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 149	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:33:00 - [176] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: VonSpliff wrote: I really can't see a wipe. They want to throw us in the sandbox. Meaning the few people with way to many SP should be spread over the entire universe. So you are less likely to run into overwhelming Vets. And with the expansion for eve that universe is going to get bigger. Pilots are going to be able to find new planets and will need our support to take/hold them. I personally think they might lose a lot of console gamers with the switch though. But hey at least the kb/m user will stop QQ. Not been paying attention have you?... What? You got the same info as everyone else. Yes the say its diffacult but not impossible. And they have as much to lose as we do with no transfer. But there is no black and white here, so STFU unless you are adding to the conversation. "It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
Eko Sol Strange Playings 240	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:34:00 - [177] - Quote I pride myself in always looking at evidence but giving the benefit of the doubt to certain people I trust. Evidence indicates the following. CCP is welcome to correct me: 1) The game was advertised with elements that were not nor ever will be inside DUST 2) The game design leadership indicated continuous progress would be made toward improving DUST and making it a better game. Clearly that has ended and not to mention we got things nobody cared to have or even wanted while not fixing the things we did. 3) The game has bugs and elements that were never fixed. I know why this is because I have personal experience (not in CCP). 4) Continuous participation asking questions from the player base in the forums has bread very few acceptable changes in the game from the player bases perspective. In short, we didn't get things promised OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I can promise you, this team follows no standardized model for developing a game. They will make the same EXACT mistakes with Legion they made with this one. They will outsource and get compiled code....AGAIN. They will fail to implement a proper database system to allow for easy changes to metrics and mechanics of the game....AGAIN. They will continue to add new content and fail to fix bugs or balance other things....AGAIN. If you buy Aur and purchase a product they will then change that product in future updates and there is nothing you can do about it....AGAIN. (Actually, this one is viable for a class action law suit but that is neither here nor there). They will not develop a game that we will enjoy. DUST514 was enjoyable simply because of the people. It was fun playing with most of these people. The next game they make will likely only have that element. If you want to be the sucker that goes over there b/c they will transfer your SP then by all means do it. But don't think for two seconds it's going to be a game done better than dust. The evidence has presented itself that they CANNOT develop a game properly. Eve was a lucky accident. Either they know this or they don't and are delusional. Everything else they put out will be limited by the poor leadership and management and failure to follow existing models for developing successful games. Join the "Keep It Strange" channel We're recruiting, Contests and weekly ISK Giveaways for top dogs Play Strange
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 238	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:34:00 - [178] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? I hope so too. I don't care as much about the ISK. I have about 140 Million. But ** that. If they tell me they can't bring so many ISK over for the sake of the market then ok. But my SP. These are ***** important to me. As long as I can bring my char over with only SP I would be ok with it. Would not be exactly the best case scenario, but it would be something I could live with. If they don't allow us to port our chars over to the game they said we will get on the PS3 sooner or later then I want my money back in full. Daft, mate. You paid, and played. That's always been the deal. No returnsies. I'm out, I think. I don't need another new grind. /fades away
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3739	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:35:00 - [179] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Lol, how so? Did they somehow not give you what you bought? I don't think "never going to PC" was ever part of the agreement. Up until they knew they wouldn't continue developing Dust 514 they did deliver. Everything should have been centered around Dust players getting ported over for a year plus of support and in many cases in a financial sense in addition to many hours of beta testing for them. They should have told us about it and made Fan Fest about selling this new project. By then the fury would have died down and they could have sold us on it. I honestly can't think of a way they could have handled this more poorly. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United Caps and Mercs 270	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:38:00 - [180] - Quote Indeed, they should have kept the player base and ported us all over to the other game, hell I would have continued to throw money into dust for getting SP forward into Legion....

Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 240	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:41:00 - [181] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I can see the truth of this statement, to a certain extent. However...fact is, Dust is tacitly and, with your statement, openly, been let go of. I don't think that CCP was fair, or particularly honest, in how it handled this. I enjoyed the game while it lasted. I'll play another month and then I'm off to play Wildstar, an actual MMO with elements of a shooter. I'm distressed that you have handled this community this way--I'll be avoiding future CCP products. Dammit. I had such hopes for this. I even have boosters going through, like, August or September. I put my money down on this bet and lost. Bummer. It's been a good ride. (When I wasn't being destroyed by random pixels, hit by jihad jeeps, annihilated by another tank, protostomped while learning how to use an item, screamed at by teammates who "knew better", mashed because I spawned on a point that wouldn't let me move.....etc.) /fades away
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2378	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:42:00 - [182] - Quote Seeth Mensch wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I can see the truth of this statement, to a certain extent. However...fact is, Dust is tacitly and, with your statement, openly, been let go of. I don't think that CCP was fair, or particularly honest, in how it handled this. I enjoyed the game while it lasted. I'll play another month and then I'm off to play Wildstar, an actual MMO with elements of a shooter. I'm distressed that you have handled this community this way--I'll be avoiding future CCP products. Dammit. I had such hopes for this. I even have boosters going through, like, August or September. I put my money down on this bet and lost. Bummer. It's been a good ride. (When I wasn't being destroyed by random pixels, hit by jihad jeeps, annihilated by another tank, protostomped while learning how to use an item, screamed at by teammates who "knew better", mashed because I spawned on a point that wouldn't let me move.....etc.) Get a refund for all those boosters 1-800-345-SONY Press 2, then 2 again for PSN support. Get your refund today, be polite, they want to refund you.
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 19	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:46:00 - [183] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Any policy issues should have been resolved months before Legion was announced. We need a guarantee from CCP that player progression (lifetime SP) will be somehow equated to Legion. ISK be dammed. I would also would like to hear that Legion development will be following TDD. Many of the bugs in DUST, especially in 1.8, feels like this wasn't the case in the past.
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 240	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:47:00 - [184] - Quote ] Seeth Mensch wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: [quote=Skihids]DUST is dead, long live Legion. T I can see the truth of this statement, to a certain extent. However...fact is, Dust is tacitly and, with your statement, openly, been let go of. I don't think that CCP was fair, or particularly honest, in how it handled this. I enjoyed the game while it lasted. I'll play another month and then I'm off to play Wildstar, an actual MMO with elements of a shooter. I'm distressed that you have handled this community this way--I'll be avoiding future CCP products. Dammit. I had such hopes for this. I even have boosters going through, like, August or September. I put my money down on this bet and lost. Bummer. It's been a good ride. (When I wasn't being destroyed by random pixels, hit by jihad jeeps, annihilated by another tank, protostomped while learning how to use an item, screamed at by teammates who "knew better", mashed because I spawned on a point that wouldn't let me move.....etc.) Get a refund for all those boosters Eh, I played for $200 since last July. That's a pretty damned reasonable return on my investment already. Frankly, I'm just tired of seeing how their customers are handled, and I will deal with it the old fashioned way. Leave. /fades away
Kevkahn WarRavens Final Resolution. 0	Posted - 2014.05.03 03:07:00 - [185] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Basically I want to say that I know our game can go away at any time and I am just a player. As a person whose family has 4 Dren sets, at least 7 Raven suits, at least 7 Covenant Sets, at least 7 Sever suits, and uncounted amount of Aurum for boosters on all the different characters; I put money into this game. How can I trust you to put as much investment into the game as I have when you are jumping ship to a separate gane? Even worse, it seems to be the same game just on a different server. Until you earn back my faith, you will not see another dime of my vast recreational funds.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 186	Posted - 2014.05.03 03:10:00 - [186] - Quote If they let people transfer from Dust to Legion, it will just mean Legion will be starting out with the lack of balance Dust has... Everything should be new... If you spent $600 on this, well you wasted your money... Everyone wastes money on something at some point of their life, congrats you wont do it again, lol.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 297	Posted - 2014.05.03 03:12:00 - [187] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. And if you can't - What is Plan B? How about that - Can you give us a ....." If we can't we will do this"
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 544	Posted - 2014.05.03 03:14:00 - [188] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: If they let people transfer from Dust to Legion, it will just mean Legion will be starting out with the lack of balance Dust has... Everything should be new... If you spent $600 on this, well you wasted your money... Everyone wastes money on something at some point of their life, congrats you wont do it again, lol. You are an idiot.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 298	Posted - 2014.05.03 03:24:00 - [189] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Question: Why does the progression system, items and Isk all have to work differently? Just because the new director wants everything different?
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2460	Posted - 2014.05.03 03:29:00 - [190] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Question: Why does the progression system, items and Isk all have to work differently? Just because the new director wants everything different? RIGHT? It sounds like legion could be done in half the time, but they don't care about player feedback, it's so stupid. 1-800-345-SONY Press 2, then 2 again for PSN support. Get your refund today, be polite, they want to refund you.

Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 299	Posted - 2014.05.03 03:33:00 - [191] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Question: Why does the progression system, items and Isk all have to work differently? Just because the new director wants everything different? RIGHT? It sounds like legion could be done in half the time, but they don't care about player feedback, it's so stupid. They used Dust as a pilot and made some money doing it. Smart no? just not friendly to player base.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2460	Posted - 2014.05.03 03:36:00 - [192] - Quote but why change everything? 1-800-345-SONY Press 2, then 2 again for PSN support. Get your refund today, be polite, they want to refund you.
Bulldozza Smash Ultramarine Corp 29	Posted - 2014.05.03 04:26:00 - [193] - Quote Well this is ***** BS.... To all those DUSTies like me that stuck by CCP why they tuned this game, and waited with high hopes for a FPS to dominate the console world with its great ideas and vast options.... WE HAVE BEEN SHAFTED! CCP go on about loving our feedback and giving the community a great game (while taking all our money in the process). To just turn around and us over... I am beyond *** pissed off I seen CCP called crooks in this topic, I agree. I think a speak for most (if not all) console games... CCP if your going to ** us at least buy us dinner first you cheap assholes Bulldozza Smash CEO Ultramarine Corp
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2343	Posted - 2014.05.03 04:37:00 - [194] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. that youre a crook? this game makes me sad....
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2343	Posted - 2014.05.03 04:41:00 - [195] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here: 1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything. Other thoughts: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment) I don't understand why after all the crap ccp has pulled on us with dust you fanbois still swing your d*cks for them.... how much backstabbing and lying and utter bullshite will you fanbois put up with before you wake the hell up and realize your ccp gods are just smooth talking thieves? this game makes me sad....
RolyatDerTeufel 1763	Posted - 2014.05.03 04:47:00 - [196] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Why was this NOT thought of from the get go ? Twitch.TV Live Stream YouTube Channel
Charon B SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 12	Posted - 2014.05.03 05:03:00 - [197] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. shut up DEV. Nobody wants to hear your crap. 90 Day AUR Refunds! Call 1-800-345-SONY
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2346	Posted - 2014.05.03 05:04:00 - [198] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Why was this NOT thought of from the get go ? exactly.... this game makes me sad....
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 571	Posted - 2014.05.03 05:06:00 - [199] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. "Trust me", "Trust me". I wont trust you. PSN:MWsRAGE_5
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 42	Posted - 2014.05.03 05:08:00 - [200] - Quote i saw the legion vid the ps3 and ps4 can handle that grapics its like killzone 3 grapics i'll be proud if the grapics is like killzone shadowfall but its not its still the same they just add little effects and new map thats there promise to us last fanfest

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 775	Posted - 2014.05.03 05:38:00 - [201] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Convert experience by taking a record of all isk and SP earned under a batch text file, run that through the system to chart over the characters, then switch over the character titles to the newly created files. Hand out ID#'s to players so you can more reliably connect them across the media without having to directly link the two. If someone wants to transfer, they simply enter their ID to create a character via a web page and it reads from the batch file. The experience system if SP is to be implemented would then be scaled by %, and no need to really change the ISK, you could have it as an alternate currency and call it KSI or something, which would then be convertible to normal currency within a few weeks. Red5 a very new company already did transfers like this, complete with a currency overhaul AND conversion to the new system, and they did them well. CCP is MUCH larger than Red5 and so this should be simplistic. Items held that are extras would be converted to ISK directly, except for special items like BPO's which could be turned into redemption coupons so that one could regain the BPO in it's new form when it becomes available... The only actual boundary is legal spacing between Sony and the character titles. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Cotsy The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 68	Posted - 2014.05.03 05:40:00 - [202] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform. They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? Maybe i already answered but song owns the rights to the data. CCP cannot transfer anything or take any info over because it doesn't belong to them. You don't get stuff refunded or any sort of bonus because they won't be allowed or they will get sued. Logi bro stated it and its been discussed. Sony owns the data
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 267	Posted - 2014.05.03 05:48:00 - [203] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Just remember, in New Eden we aren't just players. We are soldiers, and many of us are veterans of major conflicts and bared witness to some of the greatest battles yet seen. If you don't let these characters transfer, you are killing off an entire generation of history. *Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!*
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 11	Posted - 2014.05.03 05:49:00 - [204] - Quote I dunno, does CCP want a bunch of uber's in their game they're trying to sell to brand new players? Does anybody else feel like they found poo in their cereal box instead of a toy? Surprise!
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 776	Posted - 2014.05.03 07:29:00 - [205] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: I dunno, does CCP want a bunch of uber's in their game they're trying to sell to brand new players? Like how they try to sell EVE Online to new players? I truly doubt that they care about experienced players being inside the game, because eventually that is what you'll have to face every day. A bigger concern is how to integrate new players into the population with high level players everywhere. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2480	Posted - 2014.05.03 08:09:00 - [206] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Harold Junk wrote: I dunno, does CCP want a bunch of uber's in their game they're trying to sell to brand new players? Like how they try to sell EVE Online to new players? I truly doubt that they care about experienced players being inside the game, because eventually that is what you'll have to face every day. A bigger concern is how to integrate new players into the population with high level players everywhere. Exactly. Dust is suppose to be designed to last 10 years. Having a starting point with high level and low level players would be the best way to start the game... Think about it. It's the best way to start off with real balance. We won't need to go through growing pains 2 years into legion when the game has a problem bring in newer players while there are a ton of vets. Starting off the game with vets means less dev time wasted. We can avoid the problem altogether and get the balance between newplayers and vets right from the start. 1-800-345-SONY Press 2, then 2 again for PSN support. Get your refund today, be polite, they want to refund you.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 190	Posted - 2014.05.03 08:10:00 - [207] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Harold Junk wrote: I dunno, does CCP want a bunch of uber's in their game they're trying to sell to brand new players? Like how they try to sell EVE Online to new players? I truly doubt that they care about experienced players being inside the game, because eventually that is what you'll have to face every day. A bigger concern is how to integrate new players into the population with high level players everywhere. With good matchmaking and PVE content this shouldnt be a problem. Has WOW had new player problems, just because it had the first masses of lvl 60 guys after the first few weeks? No it hadnt. It ran for many more years successfully. Most here seem to think in terms of Dust, as it is now. Dust as it is doesnt allow for more players than the rock-bottom state it has had for its lifetime. Turning it down wont cause high losses (cause there hasnt been many profits to begin with). Letting it stand in the way of a new better game would. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2480	Posted - 2014.05.03 08:15:00 - [208] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Harold Junk wrote: I dunno, does CCP want a bunch of uber's in their game they're trying to sell to brand new players? Like how they try to sell EVE Online to new players? I truly doubt that they care about experienced players being inside the game, because eventually that is what you'll have to face every day. A bigger concern is how to integrate new players into the population with high level players everywhere. With good matchmaking and PVE content this shouldnt be a problem. Has WOW had new player problems, just because it had the first masses of lvl 60 guys after the first few weeks? No it hadnt. It ran for many more years successfully. Most here seem to think in terms of Dust, as it is now. Dust as it is doesnt allow for more players than the rock-bottom state it has had for its lifetime. Turning it down wont cause high losses (cause there hasnt been many profits to begin with). Letting it stand in the way of a new better game would. Dust needs to be released on PC, NOT LEGION. Let us have Dust 514 on Ps3 for a year, and then close it down and port dust 514 to PC. Don't throw away all of the work you've done, it's still unreal 3. People invested in a game that will last forever, this sets a terrible example... Before today I would never of said that something like, EvE 2.0 as a seperate 2nd MMO would come out and run aside the original. Like EverQuest and Everquest2. But here we are, 1 year into Dust and the game is getting a spinoff... So why not, Eve online 2.0! You can still play the old Eve Online, or you can play the new super awesome Eve Online, but you have to start over from level 1. JUST NO. I can't believe my EvE brothers aren't seeing the issue here... Also what's stopping legion from being replaced again in 4 years? Having a wipe 4 years from now does no get me interested in Legion... 1-800-345-SONY Press 2, then 2 again for PSN support. Get your refund today, be polite, they want to refund you.
Waruiko DUST G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 155	Posted - 2014.05.03 08:15:00 - [209] - Quote Dust Isk isn't so important in reguards to transfer I think. Awarded items like the Black Eagle suits, and anything thats worth AUR can either be transferred in some capacity even if only as a placeholder token to keep track of the fact that you had it, while AUR items can be refunded for their value. It would be a good time to get rid of all those AUR BPOs CCP seems to hate. If blood and sweat don't teach them perhaps time will
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2481	Posted - 2014.05.03 08:27:00 - [210] - Quote I want my Skinweave suits, and my Dragonfly suit... What if 1 year into eve they were like "Hey you know those closed beta golden and sliver magnates we gave you? Well eve is being abandoned for a new game that is exactly the same! The only difference is, you won't have your rewards for being with us since there were only 100 people on at a time.... >.> Come on CCP ;_; Being part of Mordo's trials was suppose to mean something... Don't pull a NGE... ;_; don't revamp the sill system, go back to skrimish 1.0 when dust had the same eve system as Eve online. If it's going to be on PC don't use the dumb console SP progression system! GIVE US DUST ON PC. I can't believe Legion won't even have levels1-5, just unlockable nodes. sigh That's not the game I signed up for as an eve player when you got me in CCP... Bring back the closed beta skill progression system, it was simple, no one was confused. 1-800-345-SONY Press 2, then 2 again for PSN support. Get your refund today, be polite, they want to refund you.

Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 543	Posted - 2014.05.03 08:40:00 - [211] - Quote Logibro are you for real dude ? I think we al understand that the rerelease of dust have some issues. We also understand that the economiy of the game can never progress if you don't do dramatic changes to it with al the accumulated crap we al have. But the how you guys did this is a god dam joke. What about the fu+ºking ppl that went to island? Or the sale of stuff just days before this? About isk transfers and item transfers it would have been way more honest to say somthing like this. Due to the fact that that the economiy have been broken so long we don't c any way to transfer that to dust 2,0 ( legion ) About the SP We don't know how the transfer of SP is going to work sence this is going to be somthing TOTALY new, maybee not a strait sp transfer but given a higher "lvl" start based on your curent sp. Yeah have a open and honest dabate with your players insted of giving then the middle finger Soory for any bad English I can't be asked to be botherd War never changes
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2481	Posted - 2014.05.03 08:42:00 - [212] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Logibro are you for real dude ? I think we al understand that the rerelease of dust have some issues. We also understand that the economiy of the game can never progress if you don't do dramatic changes to it with al the accumulated crap we al have. But the how you guys did this is a god dam joke. What about the fu+ºking ppl that went to island? Or the sale of stuff just days before this? About isk transfers and item transfers it would have been way more honest to say somthing like this. Due to the fact that that the economiy have been broken so long we don't c any way to transfer that to dust 2,0 ( legion ) About the SP We don't know how the transfer of SP is going to work sence this is going to be somthing TOTALY new, maybee not a strait sp transfer but given a higher "lvl" start based on your curent sp. Yeah have a open and honest dabate with your players Reposting censored incase a mod is feeling frisky. 1-800-345-SONY Press 2, then 2 again for PSN support. Get your refund today, be polite, they want to refund you.
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 502	Posted - 2014.05.03 08:57:00 - [213] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Really, I am thinking that SP is the only real aspect of what people are hoping not to lose. A years worth of grinding out SP, spending IRL money to boost it. It is a lot of investment. Compensation in the form of Unallocated SP to Eve Legion seems like a reasonable request. That way it is just a issue of SP value not having to assign SP to specific skill trees for each and every character. This can be done by just referencing that character's total SP when the name is transferred over. Create a Eve Legion account using the same Email as your PSN account > Select which character you want to transfer > Character Name and Total SP value of the character is transferred to the new platform. Seems pretty easy to me. Director, Dust University R.I.P. Dust 514
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2482	Posted - 2014.05.03 09:00:00 - [214] - Quote Also At least give us our officer gear... We've been saving it for the market ... There is stuff we don't have the skills to use and we can't trash them... 1-800-345-SONY Press 2, then 2 again for PSN support. Get your refund today, be polite, they want to refund you.
negative49er Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 569	Posted - 2014.05.03 12:23:00 - [215] - Quote I only see character transfer possible if legion is ported onto the ps4 because our dust accounts are connected to our PSN Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
drixon talaro Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 32	Posted - 2014.05.03 12:24:00 - [216] - Quote You know what I like.... The fact that logo to was posting in here heavy yesterday until right abt the time I made my first post..... The real questions start flying and poof, no more dev posts.... Thanks for making me understand that y'all don't care at all logibro
Balamob SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 28	Posted - 2014.05.03 14:54:00 - [217] - Quote I will miss my "Templar" blue print stuff :( Being a Templar is a vow for life.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4212	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:18:00 - [218] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" No, it's actually a matter of can we. You know what? I don't think I believe you. At best I think that statement is only true on a technicality. Sure, why the f*ck not?
KILLER 20965 Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 3	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:32:00 - [219] - Quote ** YOU CCP!!! *** BULLSHIT BITCHES CAN SUCK MY !!! GÇÿCLOSED BETAGÇÖ Player Mk.0 support Logistics** Learn about how logi's work.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13771	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:35:00 - [220] - Quote negative49er wrote: I only see character transfer possible if legion is ported onto the ps4 because our dust accounts are connected to our PSN Yet that information is stored on CCPs servers..... Our PSN accounts =/= our in game Characters. DUST is DEAD Quit?

Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 216	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:50:00 - [221] - Quote Never heard of such a catastrophe since Aliens: Colonial Marines. What a bunch of bull. "When it is done, and New Eden is...ashes, you have my permission to die." ~ CCP Board
Jvnx Nightchill Tripoint Mercetile Rimrunners Universal Rockstars 2	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:51:00 - [222] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. LOL, hmm, the special agreement with Sony that made DUST514 possible means all but the PSN id linked to an account should be on CCP servers, granted that would cause significant issues. Most apparent fallout of this is people will and already are leaving DUST, followed by Sony not offering the rapid deployment that DUST enjoyed so CCP not only screwed us the players but future developers. CCP was given every possible advantage possible to make DUST514 succeed, how tragic... My son as well as myself do not play FPS games on PC never will, so Legion is a non-starter for us.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 583	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:08:00 - [223] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) All character borned and stored onto ccp servers Don't Tell me that I'm wrong and this site is monitoring Sony servers. ...sorry for bad English =)
Reaper Alim highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 14	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:22:00 - [224] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: CCP don't give a rats asz about us on PS3 any more!! They got there PC player base now:-/ And I'll be there! :) It's not that CCP dosn't care it's just that sony keeps limiting them. Which is why they are moving back to the PC (Master Gaming Machines) to be free of all the restrictions that Sony keep putting on them. The vastness that is CCP needs to be on PC. Now watch the difference between DUST and Legion.
Reaper Alim highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 15	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:31:00 - [225] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: I dunno, does CCP want a bunch of uber's in their game they're trying to sell to brand new players? I agree with you and the answer is probley no. What new player is going to want to enter a game where they'll have no chance for 6 to 8 months? I know I wouldn't not a game like Dust where you are punished badly for being killed and the lack of currency you have in-game makes life even harder. I say fresh restart CCP might lose the 1500 vets they got from Dust but will gain atleast 5 to 15 times more in new blood that'll stay with the game cause it is enjoyable.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4266	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:45:00 - [226] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Remember guys, its just a video game I've spent more on this game than Sir Man Boy has. And I did that based on the history of CCP and a long development cycle. If I was deceived as a customer in any transaction I'd be upset. I don't care myself. It's just a video game and like any video game I've played these past few years, I've paid money for the entertainment factor. I got what I paid for here. Life is too good to have this small situation upset me. I'll just move on to Destiny or any other game I appreciate and will forget about this And honestly, the community screwed this over too. So some of that money loss is on the blame of the community as well. No one wants to say or see that though. But that is true. We hacked this game with a meat cleaver sending ideas into a whirlwind. I'm just going to crack open a beer, smoke a bowl and move on. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 41	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:47:00 - [227] - Quote Reaper Alim wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: CCP don't give a rats asz about us on PS3 any more!! They got there PC player base now:-/ And I'll be there! :) It's not that CCP dosn't care it's just that sony keeps limiting them. Which is why they are moving back to the PC (Master Gaming Machines) to be free of all the restrictions that Sony keep putting on them. The vastness that is CCP needs to be on PC. Now watch the difference between DUST and Legion. what? Im sure the only problen there is its that to log in into our D514 characters we go across the PSN, which say if we are the owners or not of that character, and I suppose CCP cant take that data about accounts from Sony... but anyways market, characters and mail its on the CCPs side. They can easily make a web page special for this, and send to every D514 character a Ingame message with a link that identifies that user and links he to the web to later continue the steps to "recover" the account, same way a lot of games do to recover passwords using the mail, just that 4 this I mean using D514 mail, not other real ones (Hotmail, yahoo, etc..) *Soz for my bad english, hope you can understand it.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 690	Posted - 2014.05.03 16:57:00 - [228] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skihids wrote: DUST is dead, long live Legion. That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that? CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level. CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die. My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. How the ** can you say, "trust me" with a straight ***** face Logibro? Are you kidding man? You guys must be getting some good laughs. I can't wait until you all are looking for jobs. I will celebrate like it is my birthday. "Trust me"...LMAO....I wouldn't trust CCP with the task of putting color in the game Pong. While you're at it CCP, suck the middle of my dick!
The Jungian Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2014.05.03 19:03:00 - [229] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I don't care myself. It's just a video game and like any video game I've played these past few years, I've paid money for the entertainment factor. I got what I paid for here. Life is too good to have this small situation upset me. I'll just move on to Destiny or any other game I appreciate and will forget about this Such typical apologist stuff. Expected more from you. My mistake. Life is the longest thing we all will ever do, and its too long to not fight some against the tyranny while in it. Michael Arck wrote: And honestly, the community screwed this over too. So some of that money loss is on the blame of the community as well. No one wants to say or see that though. But that is true. We hacked this game with a meat cleaver sending ideas into a whirlwind. Honestly? Nothing in comparison to how the cpms and ccp has been running things, especially when it comes to spending months removing game breaking bugs and meanwhile defending those descisions. The sourness of the community is a pure reflection of what ccp has been giving us. And lets not get into how many players have left the game over time. And lets not get into the DUST keynote which happened to not be about DUST at all. *"We're not killing it now, but we're killing it someday. Keep playing it, though!"*


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