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Avallo Kantor
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:29:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
Thank you. This answer has made me feel a lot better about everything that has happened today.
In the case that you can not port over progress, will you have any fall back plans? Perhaps a code to all players beyond X SP that can be redeemed for Y SP in Legion? (With multiple SP levels and multiple codes) Assuming that does not interfere with legal issues? |
drixon talaro
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
21
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:29:00 -
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Logibro, with all due respect bro im pissed smooth off.... ive put 160 bucks in thsi damn game, god only knows how many man hours and instead of giving me what you all have talked about giving us, your putting it in another game, i loved this game even broken like it was, i made good freinds in my corp and if i had an hour to myself i put it into this game.... i for one dont play pc games, dont have a pc capable of running good games and im not going to buy one. im also not gonna buy a ps4 just to play your new game. you need to give me what you promised or give me my god damn money back.... you can have your damn collectors set back seeing as how i only bought it for the dust side bpo's.... you lied to me and you have taken my real money and used it towards the development of another game..... im not gonna be some ******* who says im gonna sue you but i will never play another game developed by your firm, and i will protest to others why they should not support you as well.... i hope you make this right with people and if you dont then so be it..... |
Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:31:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks....
Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here:
1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased
Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything.
Other thoughts:
1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept).
I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again.
And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment) |
Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United Caps and Mercs
252
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:32:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
1) sony already made their cut out of our transactions. 2) We dont care how much SP is carried over, some of it must, else we will stop playing the curent game. 3) If any equipment do not carry over (blueprints, officier weapons, ...) do you serisouly think we will keep buying AURUM ? if you do not simply pull the plug. 4) Remember we are Geek people, do not try to bullshit us too much with game design shenanigans or that you cant transfer this or that over, we know how databases work ! 5) Seriously, I would support you going over to Legion IF you bring over my stuff ! |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad.
862
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:32:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
And I'll say right now, if you can't, I'm through. I spent a lot of time playing this game and EVE exclusively, above all others. Do you really want to tell me it was all for nothing?
I can't imagine a bigger **** you to the player base because of technical limitations. I mean really, would you really do this to the people that have supported you all this time?
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
591
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:34:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Remember guys, its just a video game
No, it is a product, that people invested in and in which they feel deceived.
Because, that's why.
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
3270
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:34:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you can't won't be able to confirm player form 514 and legion are the same players to allocate a certain amount of SP, even if they supply the same email address. Ballacks. SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes.
So you admit you can scale our current SP total to match your ideas for character progression in Legion?
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United Caps and Mercs
252
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:35:00 -
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There is no technical limitations nor limitations on items bought, you are not transfering virtual goods from Apple, to Android or vice versa, do not bullshit us !!!!!! |
Be'e Po
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:35:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters
Why are you surprised? And I'm not saying this to be bitter. I'm saying think of the difficulties. First off, every character in Dust is in Eve. I can't make a new eve pilot called Be'e Po. That name is taken. And in Eve, names are tied into a variaty of things such asyour corpse if you get podded, kill rights, bounties, and such. So if Legion is part of eve too, you can't have a Legion character with the same name or identity without changing a database of characters that maybe quite old.
Then you have whole idea of skills... Is Legion a one to one port? Is there a combat rifle skill? What if not, how do you balance especially when you may not even be done planning out the skills in legion. What if the skills are more like eve where you have side arm, light, ahd heavy projectiles as 3 skills that cover all projectile weapons in each class, with specialization skills for each weapon. How do you match that up with Dust?
And when do you make the transfer? Do you kill dust, tell people to get to legion and that's it? Or do you say the move is voluntary as dust and legion will exist side by side, and only allow the move once, or would you let people transfer back and forth?
Also, what if CCP truly wants to keep Dust going, but as a stand alone FPS. You remove the eve, dust link, replacing it with legion, but give dust it's own, improved PC system and the game continues for 3+ years. When and do u let people transfer?
Sorry, but until all details are worked out on how the games mesh or don't, character transfer just isn't an issue you can easily say will be done with any certainty. |
LittleCuteBunny
456
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:35:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters
People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here?
I'll answer you m8t.
It is not worth playing Dust 514 anymore, since Dust's future is so limited now. There is no more PC 2.0, FW 2.0, Skirmish 3.0, PVE and Corporate Battles.
No more relevant development and now that SoonTM turned into NeverTM, will you play a dead game?
Graveyard 514
Project Legion is a different game, meaning nothing you do in Dust 514 will port to it.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
3815
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:35:00 -
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So I bought like 100 dollars worth of omega boosters because i thought it was a good investment for the future I believed in. I don't even see a need to use the rest of them now.
You're honestly going to tell me that your company is ok with that kind of business practice that nullifies what I've purchased, when all of your advertisement has very specifically encouraged on spending large amounts of money on aurum and stocking up during special weekends? That Dust was going to have a 10 year plan with all of the features you just transferred over to Legion?
You're really going to tell me that your management is undecided on this issue?
You'd better get an official, solid answer out there fast. That's a lot of wasted money, and I know a lot of people who spent even more. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
602
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:36:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I've liked nearly every single one of your posts, but this is utter ****.
If, as a developer, CCP are unable to hit a button or type a command such as "+22, 334, 114 SP to RINON114" then you might as well give up on Legion now. |
Principus Shmoof Triariian
Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services Armed-n-Hammered
119
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:37:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. Logibro, tell Saberwing that Shmoof says "Fack off" |
Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United Caps and Mercs
252
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:37:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Remember guys, its just a video game No, it is a product, that people invested in and in which they feel deceived.
Totally agree with you, if this was a business management software, it would be the equivalent of saying, ho we have this new version but the data you worked on for the last 2 years cannot be imported !
F2P model means in essence game as a service, and with a service there is at least a garantee of continuity. If its not the intended model than create a game, slap a fixed price and sell it as a standard 80$ game ! |
Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
305
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:37:00 -
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If anyone believes CCP cares . . . ahahahahahahahahaha. Glad I stopped spending money on this joke of a game, and joke of a company after the merc pack fiasco. |
drixon talaro
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
23
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:40:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here: 1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything. Other thoughts: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment)
good for you bro you dont mind losing money, maybe you have an awesome job and can wipe your ass with money or maybe mommy and daddy bought it for you idk, but i feel im entitled to a refund when there making a brand new game and its not even going to be released on the same console.... even if they let sp and isk get carried over im not gonna go spend 500 dollars on a ps4 or even more on a gaming pc..... if thats what there going to do they took from me.... i mean jeez spec ops the line came out like 3 years ago and you can still play that game and theres is still a decent player base but at least they didnt let me spend real money on it just to stop making it |
Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
174
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:40:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept).
I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again.
Yes. How many Hours have you guys played in relation to how much you paid? You just divide the amount of money you paid through the amount of hours. There you have your entertainment value. Compare the number with a visit at the cinema, or a book you've read (Oops ... wrong community :P). There you see if you have a reason to feel cheated.
I have paid 14 cents per hour. And I think thats totally fair. Waay better than your average movie or game.
I think the only real reason to feel bad is that the vision laid out for us may not come true on PS3.
The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always.
NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Casual solo
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
894
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:40:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. What it sounds like is that you told the entire community to go **** ourselves
A Brave New Eden
Forge a new destiny
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Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots
343
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:42:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios).
When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
Not even an attempt to say Dust will keep going. So can we take this to mean it's official, Dust 514 will be dropped?
1st April - 14: No more likes! Need it to stop at 333.
2nd April - 14: Ok, fezz up! Who gave the likes?!
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Vect-r
Vault of the Void
36
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:43:00 -
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Face it guys, you were all guinea pigs. They took your money, shook you down, and stole your virginity too. As a man with sunglasses and pointy fingers would say..."DEAL WITH IT"!
Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.
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Protected Void
Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
284
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:44:00 -
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There has to be something that carries over to Legion from the time and money I've put into Dust. Otherwise, I just won't play Legion. Nor Dust while Legion is being developed. Nor EVE. Period.
It doesn't have to be all of my SP, all of my ISK or any gear whatsoever. But I need something to show for my double-digit hundreds of hours of play and the hundreds of dollars I've spent. And it needs to be substantial enough for me to feel I've already gained something that would take a lot of work in Legion to gain.
It's not about being able to smack other people over the head with my skills or gear. I've been playing in advanced suits 99% of the time for the added challenge, I don't spawn camp and make the newb experience miserable, I don't exploit glitches etc. I want a fair game, and if Legion allows for more balanced and fair gameplay, I'm all for it. But, as already stated, I want something in Legion to show for all the time and money spent on Dust. |
Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
313
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:44:00 -
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There are only two things that seriously bother me:
1. Will Legion be Free To Play? I imagine there will be heavy logistical issues if the game doesn't have a bought subscription, due to aimbots and the lack of easy store access on PC. I, for example, would never utilize such a store because I don't have a credit card and neither do I have PayPal. (Also, Dust players NEED some kind of acknowledgment of their participation in Dust) I would never play a game with subscriptions. I wouldn't even buy it with a single payment, because it's a multiplayer FPS and this situation has shown that I can't trust it to survive long enough for my investment to be worthwhile.
2. Your business practice with selling Omega boosters shortly before the keynote. You knew that this would blow up. This is pure scam. Seriously, **** you for that. There is no other way to express my feelings on the matter. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3620
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:45:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:So I bought like 100 dollars worth of omega boosters because i thought it was a good investment for the future I believed in. I don't even see a need to use the rest of them now.
You're honestly going to tell me that your company is ok with that kind of business practice that nullifies what I've purchased, when all of your advertisement has very specifically encouraged on spending large amounts of money on aurum and stocking up during special weekends? That Dust was going to have a 10 year plan with all of the features you just transferred over to Legion?
You're really going to tell me that your management is undecided on this issue?
You'd better get an official, solid answer out there fast. That's a lot of wasted money, and I know a lot of people who spent even more.
This is where I'm at. And the fact that they've known about this for months while they put these items up for sale is ******* criminal.
They are crooks and there is no other way to put it.
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Tallen Ellecon
1844
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:46:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
I've invested far too much in $$$ in this games 10 year plan to let all of it (don't excuse the pun) turn to dust. Tallen is a character in the EVE universe, he has a story, he has a history, and if you kill him don't expect me to just start over on the PC, and I'm a PC gamer.
Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
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Davy Headhunter
Pradox One Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:47:00 -
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I think that thes best approach would be find a formula that would convert the account (SP, ISK, ITEMS, TIME, everyting) into AUR, and then move the AUR to the new game. Something like every SP worth X AUR, every ISK worth Y AUR.... and the make it so players can move donate it to XXX caracter, both on eve, dust or even valky. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:50:00 -
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Why the hell do they even have to change the progression system in the first place?
It works. |
Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:51:00 -
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Davy Headhunter wrote:I think that thes best approach would be find a formula that would convert the account (SP, ISK, ITEMS, TIME, everyting) into AUR, and then move the AUR to the new game. Something like every SP worth X AUR, every ISK worth Y AUR.... and the make it so players can move donate it to XXX caracter, both on eve, dust or even valky.
Like any sort of compensation would be fine in the name of balance. I'm in this crazy middleground. Legion is the game I wanted, I have the PC for, and it looks great. Dust is the game I was left with, invested in and made so many friends in, and nothing new was announced for it.
Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
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Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:51:00 -
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Davy Headhunter wrote:I think that thes best approach would be find a formula that would convert the account (SP, ISK, ITEMS, TIME, everyting) into AUR, and then move the AUR to the new game. Something like every SP worth X AUR, every ISK worth Y AUR.... and the make it so players can move donate it to XXX caracter, both on eve, dust or even valky.
Some good Ideas here. I think it could even be a vanity Item. Something unique and special. Like a pirate eye-patch printing for our specially badass colored dropsuits, that stands for the emotional scars and trauma we have lived through. Something cool we can tell the newberries about and laugh, like the old bastards we are
I actually would be calmed by that, because it appeases my gamer-pride.
The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always.
NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Casual solo
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Tallen Ellecon
1845
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:52:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Why the hell do they even have to change the progression system in the first place?
It works.
I don't think they are limiting choices they are just rearranging it to make it more new player friendly. Then again I was expecting a DUST keynote, not a LEGION one.
Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
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lordeh42
ideas not tolerated
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:53:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
I think the issue isn`t anything apart from the simple fact that I doubt any DUST players will believe anything CCP or their representatives say again.
It is nothing personal, its just the way it is. Legion may well turn out to be very good. However that does not mean a thing to the people who have spent literally years and real money on a dead game, that CCP knew was dead a long time ago |
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