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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:53:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios).
When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. A related question; If it was DUST 514 being ported to PC would it be legally problem free to give access to characters created on the PS3? |
Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:55:00 -
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drixon talaro wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here: 1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything. Other thoughts: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment) good for you bro you dont mind losing money, maybe you have an awesome job and can wipe your ass with money or maybe mommy and daddy bought it for you idk, but i feel im entitled to a refund when there making a brand new game and its not even going to be released on the same console.... even if they let sp and isk get carried over im not gonna go spend 500 dollars on a ps4 or even more on a gaming pc..... if thats what there going to do they took from me.... i mean jeez spec ops the line came out like 3 years ago and you can still play that game and theres is still a decent player base but at least they didnt let me spend real money on it just to stop making it
I didn't lose money - it's not an investment. I purchased a service which I have enjoyed. And I'm not rich. I'm an adult who spent my own money because I made a choice to do so. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:58:00 -
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I seriously hope CCP pulls another desaster like they did with WoD and goes bancrupt. For me im not spending a single cent for neither dust, eve or other games that CCP develop. You just bite the hand that feed you. Does CCP really think that any 1 with common sense believes this "we are still going to support PS3" propaganda? We had beeing promised alot of stuff including PVE which got scratched and now assigned to Legion and today they showed their true colours.
This game wont see any significant improvments, there wont be true new content so all what ive dreamed, worked and payd money for is gone. And dont fking tell me to get Legion and start all over again! Im not going to ditch my 40 mil SP just so to start over again. I had enough off this bollocks dust was nothing else then just a big beta for legion. You collected money to fund the development for Legion from the Dust players.
And recent presentation aswell confirmed it when the devs talked about this and that in Legion and when they had beeing asked about how much of that stuff is going to be in dust they went quiet. I wont care for this game anymore even if you pulled a event out of the hat with a gazillion SP to earn.
Dust getting orted to PC. Stop playing now and dont feed CCP any more money!
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VonSpliff
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
148
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:59:00 -
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I really can't see a wipe. They want to throw us in the sandbox. Meaning the few people with way to many SP should be spread over the entire universe. So you are less likely to run into overwhelming Vets. And with the expansion for eve that universe is going to get bigger. Pilots are going to be able to find new planets and will need our support to take/hold them. I personally think they might lose a lot of console gamers with the switch though. But hey at least the kb/m user will stop QQ.
"It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1214
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:02:00 -
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VonSpliff wrote:I really can't see a wipe. They want to throw us in the sandbox. Meaning the few people with way to many SP should be spread over the entire universe. So you are less likely to run into overwhelming Vets. And with the expansion for eve that universe is going to get bigger. Pilots are going to be able to find new planets and will need our support to take/hold them. I personally think they might lose a lot of console gamers with the switch though. But hey at least the kb/m user will stop QQ. Not been paying attention have you?... |
Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
167
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:02:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters
People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC.
Hey CCP Logibro, is it such a difficult move to take dust to the PS4? It seems a logical answer with legion on the horizon. One would think Sony would be pushing for such a migration with the lack of titles currently on PS4. Dust514 is a perfect project for the PS4 with the new tech that they haven't even begin to use yet. Letting dust die would be absolutely foolish when you have the market cornered like this! I have a PS4 and I still play dust on PS3 while my wife uses the PS4 for movie watching! Sony and CCP need to see the potential in a migration to go along with legion, and the potential for really making eve and dust merge into cross console activity! With the PS4's video chat capabilities this would gain players from all genres both on PC and and console!
Move the game, or watch it loose weight in the player interest department?! The cloaks didn't help player retention at all?! The dedicated and invested are the only ones still playing dust, by the way, if you haven't noticed?! I consistantly fight the same guys multiple times a day, from the same corps?! If we are to even talk well about dust to other potential players, the "harry potter" foolishness must go in this game?! This game is for the hardcore player no doubt. Right now lower lvl players are in constant isk grind mode with nothing coming their way in terms of events or new things like legion?! If dust isn't balanced and about battling as a unit by 2.0, with an active trade market, it's all but done?!
Active trade market, open world pve, balance, fix cloaks, and work the PS4 migration part. Then this game will truly take off no question as you guys ideas and creativity can not be matched by the call of duty creators. They can't keep up. Thank you
"Anybody order chaos?"
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:03:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you can't won't be able to confirm player form 514 and legion are the same players to allocate a certain amount of SP, even if they supply the same email address. Ballacks. SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. And our AUR? Collection edition suits? Skinweave closed beta suits? |
Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
254
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:03:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Skihids wrote:It's not just the money, it's the hundreds of hours we put in grinding away for SP. Those of us who experienced 5-6 character wipes since closed beta were promised that we would never again have to start from scratch.
Since then we invested a huge number of hours to gain SP for progression. Take all that away and there is little incentive to start all over again. it would break the promise (I don't care if you call it a "new game", it's the replacement for DUST), and it would be the last broken promise for me. Agreed. It has a rail rifle. It has a HMG. It has a Madrugar. We have clones that can use those things, that theoretically exist "for real" in New Eden. Character transfers or infinite rage!
assault (plasma) rifle confrimed as well, along with gallente assault. it's ******* dust.
Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast.
Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
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137H4RGIC
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
163
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:05:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. It's simple. Take data screenshots of each character of what they can use. Enable them to use it in Legion. I paid you guys over 500 dollars for my accounts. Make it happen, I have faith in you. |
KA24DERT
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
581
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:06:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
Make a public promise of character preservation and commit to it.
Very simple.
Anything less just projects a lack of drive to accomplish what is necessary to preserve CCP's reputation. |
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Jin no kami
Valor Coalition Red Whines.
52
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:08:00 -
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It was a money grab the event was to been saying for months now don't spend money on dust it felt like moh warfighter |
Beartrocity
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
16
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:09:00 -
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Next up! CCP will simply change the name of their company and move to another country!
Kota's Tank Rager
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
597
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:10:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here: 1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything. Other thoughts: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment)
I agree that refunds don't make sense. The way this was handled couldn't have been much worse though and the claims and advertising on Dust have been deceptive. If things simply didn't work out as planned with the PS3, I think almost everyone can understand, but there were no attempts to lower expectations or explain the limits thst were being bumped against and explain that there was a way forward, instead everything was done to deceive us that Dust was here for the long haul and that we should keep investing in it. That was wrong, that is why so many people are mad and so few happy about the prospect of the new game.
Because, that's why.
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Nelo Angel0
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
258
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:17:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. you owe us refunds.... crooks.... Why, exactly? There are two possibilities here: 1. Project Legion is considered a completely new game 2. Project Legion is an extension of Dust514 and they transfer over items you purchased Either way, how is a refund relevant? If it's a new game, then it's a new game. If it's the same game and they transfer what you bought (or giving you comparable deliverables if an exact one for one transfer is not available), then you aren't loosing anything. Other thoughts: 1. There is no release date for this new project. There could be years until this comes out. 2. If you get value for the service purchased, then a refund is more akin to gettting paid to play the game. The purpose of a refund is when you get no value. I cannot imagine you would put in money into something repeatedly if you got no value for it (if you make only one purchase, then that is the exception to this concept). I have spent a few hundred dollars as well. I enjoyed what I got from my purchases. I don't see a need for a refund, and won't be asking for one. Being upset is fine - you are entitled to your emotions. Once those have run their course, I would suggest looking back again. And for those that have verbally attacked people over this, shame on you. (not in reference to anyone specifically, just a general comment) I agree that refunds don't make sense. The way this was handled couldn't have been much worse though and the claims and advertising on Dust have been deceptive. If things simply didn't work out as planned with the PS3, I think almost everyone can understand, but there were no attempts to lower expectations or explain the limits thst were being bumped against and explain that there was a way forward, instead everything was done to deceive us that Dust was here for the long haul and that we should keep investing in it. That was wrong, that is why so many people are mad and so few happy about the prospect of the new game.
Let us all pray sony decides to hire a new studio for MAG2 on PS4 that way we'll never need a game like Dust. MAG was fun just lacked updates, under another studio with updates and more content a MAG2 would be freggin awesome. Let's not even kid ourselves the only reason we played Dust was because MAG died and Dust reminded everyone of MAG.
ps. i sadi MAG so much that the word has lost meaning and now sounds weird |
NAV HIV
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
1705
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:18:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters
People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here?
I'll try to fight you in Destiny... Hopefully you'll be a hunter there |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
13333
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:19:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters
People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here? I'll try to fight you in Destiny... Hopefully you'll be a hunter there Will Destiny be for PC?
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
2297
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:20:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters
People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here? I'll try to fight you in Destiny... Hopefully you'll be a hunter there
Oh boy, 4v4 fps fun *roll eyes*
I actually can't wait for Destiny, but it's no real loss Dust replacement. |
NAV HIV
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
1707
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:21:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you can't won't be able to confirm player form 514 and legion are the same players to allocate a certain amount of SP, even if they supply the same email address. Ballacks. SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes. And our AUR? Collection edition suits? Skinweave closed beta suits?
Dren suits ?! Which cost $100 per pack ? ! |
Your Absolut End
The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad.
439
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:21:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
If theres no possibility in transferring a Dust char to eve legion, I hope you guys now that you cut your own flesh.
You are developers in the gaming industry and players are not the non-vocal type of person. I am terribly sure, if theres no way to get my char into legion, I won't be the only guy doing my very best to disrupt eve:legion from the get go.
Never ever declare your own community war.You will lose.
another one bites the Dust...
Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
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NAV HIV
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
1707
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:22:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters
People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. Just be straight up honest CCP Logibro, is it worth our while or not? We DUST players are on PS3, Legion is PC. What benefit is it for us to be on here? I'll try to fight you in Destiny... Hopefully you'll be a hunter there Oh boy, 4v4 fps fun *roll eyes* I actually can't wait for Destiny, but it's no real loss Dust replacement.
PS2 is there too... |
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Jadek Menaheim
Ancient Textiles.
2922
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:22:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I am very concerned this information was not prepared ahead of time for presentation at Eve Fanfest. That feels poorly calculated.
I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:25:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I am very concerned this information was not prepared ahead of time for presentation at Eve Fanfest. That feels poorly calculated.
So you finally noticed?
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Jadek Menaheim
Ancient Textiles.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:31:00 -
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@crazy space 1
Getting through a lot of twitter responses at the moment. A better space to share information and frustration with circles beyond the game.
I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
"A Møøse once bit my sister"
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Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1213
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:32:00 -
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wait so let me get this straight, we've been playing this game for 2 years some have spent money on it and now all of a sudden its getting scrapped and turn into a pc game? what must i spend more cash to buy a high end gaming pc just to play dust?
so in a sense CCP conned everyone into thinking that they are making a game for the ps3 and promising plenty of other things, then get players to spend cash on it and at FF announce that they want to get rid of it and put it on pc?
i've never been so mad at CCP, i've stuck with dust through thick and thin and then BOOM keynotes its like CCP kicking us in the balls then robbing us. so well done CCP well done, the first game i played from you guys and this happens. well suffice to say that once your "legion: comes out and dust is dead, i'll never try any of your games just because you as a company are full of S-H-I-T.
YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!!
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A recent Recruit
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:37:00 -
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Characters transfers, refunds or a claw action lawsuit CCP, you have 3 choices, and I'm waiting on an answer. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:38:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:All Saberwing has responded to on Twitter are these questions... They don't know what they'll do currently.
Beyond what people think, yea, CCP has the data.. But how can you get new players when you transfer 50 to 60 million SP characters to a new game? The impact wouldn't really be felt. The reason It is now is that the remnants of the player base mostly have high sp counts, which will be diluted with bigger player counts.
The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game
Caldari Scout // specialized tank destroyer
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Ani X
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
86
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:44:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:ContraBanJoe wrote:SirManBoy wrote:I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform.
They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? I don't trust anything they say after today. How could you? I mean they LIED about the Dust Keynote being about Dust. They KNEW they were killing Dust. There are people who spent thousands of dollars going to Iceland because of a game they knew they were killing. This sounds hyperbolic, but they are deceitful and there is no other way to put it. They could have saved people real world dollars by being upfront about this. I'll never be able to forgive CCP for that. Not to mention the dollars I've spent on this game. And Legion is a different game, the AUR issue is null and void as well as any problem they might have had with the BPO reimbursement.
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Blood Immortal
Bank of DUST 514
10
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:45:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
Please stop treating us like we are idiots! Transferring us over is easy NOT hard! Let me spend oh 2 seconds thinking about it. 1) Char names easy add them to the new game first 2) isk transfer, convert and put in account and call it whatever isk , disk , l$ whatever, 3)SP same as isk convert and put in account, 4) loot a) convert to dust isk equivalent and then convert to new game isk b) convert to new game items 5) AUR same 6) BPO same if have in new game, if not convert to aur and then convert aur to new game.
Now for code, ummm lets see oh I know lets us the scripts we use for respecs they work and poof everything is done!
Now lets deal with Sony, if their truly is a policy question about who owns this stuff ccp vs sony (which I doubt their is) then ccp could still do all of the above except for item 1) and still be legal.
Now lets see them try and tell us how hard this would be and see them double speak to us!
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1472
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:50:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. So you can't won't be able to confirm player form 514 and legion are the same players to allocate a certain amount of SP, even if they supply the same email address. Ballacks. SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes.
Work out what 1 year of progression in Legion is. For people with 1 year of progression in dust give them the equivalent in Legion. Adjust depending on SP.
Would that be possible?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
610
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:54:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:All Saberwing has responded to on Twitter are these questions... They don't know what they'll do currently.
Beyond what people think, yea, CCP has the data.. But how can you get new players when you transfer 50 to 60 million SP characters to a new game?
the same way they get new players in eve even though 10yr vets (like me) have over 140m sp. SP isn't whats driving players away, its the broke a** game mechanics, matchmaking and new player experience (or lack thereof) thats driving new and old players away.
to shaft the folk who supported DUST by buying merc packs and even the EVE collectors edition would be a really bad decision and the way things are going for CCP i dont think they can handle another hit due to 'bad decisions'
Rolling with the punches
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