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Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:57:00 -
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oh and to be honest, the guys still putting up with dust are the guys who would be the ones spreadign the word for Legion to be successful. if we get shafted they're pretty much handing out nails to the coffin before th egames even released
Rolling with the punches
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
204
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:58:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
I've worked at the UN before, and this answer is one of the most confused, mysterious, and nonsensical public statements that I have ever seen. Even the documents I had to write were less esoteric than this.
"Technical Questions and Restrictions" ---> Scaring people with things that they don't understand. What is a technical question when you're on TWO separate consoles.
"SONY". ---> How is sony even REMOTELY involved in Project Legion.
"We want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet." ---> What in the royal heck does that mean? You mean you're going to magically lose everyone's account info on Dust 514.
You know what, if you were planning to drop this game, at least you should just have said it straight up.
I'm not a super dedicated player, but as an individual with dignity, I'm going to say that you're screwing us over like Dice did with BF4, and that if you WANT TO WIPE THE SLATE, that you should JUST SAY SO RIGHT NOW, instead of giving everyone FALSE HOPES.
---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
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bigolenuts
Dirt Nap Squad.
612
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:01:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
It shouldn't come to this Locking Bro. You queers sit up there in Iceland and laugh at us PS3 players. You knew all along what direction this game was going. Yes I am bitter and hurt. The hours I've spent to only be told the game is going away. You'll get yours in the end. When CCP does get it, I will be the first one there pointing and laughing.
"I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
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freed bird
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:02:00 -
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keno trader wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. I've worked at the UN before, and this answer is one of the most confused, mysterious, and nonsensical public statements that I have ever seen.Even the documents I had to write were less esoteric than this. "Technical Questions and Restrictions" ---> Scaring people with things that they don't understand. What is a technical question when you're on TWO separate consoles. "SONY". ---> How is sony even REMOTELY involved in Project Legion. "We want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet." ---> What in the royal heck does that mean? You mean you're going to magically lose everyone's account info on Dust 514. You know what, if you were planning to drop this game, at least you should just have said it straight up. I'm not a super dedicated player, but as an individual with dignity, I'm going to say that you're screwing us over like Dice did with BF4, and that if you WANT TO WIPE THE SLATE, that you should JUST SAY SO RIGHT NOW, instead of giving everyone FALSE HOPES.
Exactly. |
The Jungian
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:04:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Remember guys, its just a video game
Thats one hell of a thing for you to say. Go write a DUST poem about this move by CCP pls. |
alten hilt
DUST University Ivy League
242
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:12:00 -
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CCP, I respect your desire to get player feedback and make Project Legion the sandbox shooter we've all wanted... However, I wonder why you've chosen to reveal Project Legion now. Rebooting seemed inevitable to me, even 6 months ago, but Legion looks to be 1 - 2 years in the future. You've alienated players simply because so many details haven't even been worked out!! Without a clear vision of the future, players are making up their own, and in the process are feeling abandoned and betrayed.
I understand people's rage. I started playing (and paying for) DUST because it promised a "Sandbox shooter". A promise it has consistently failed to achieve, and I've felt rage at this betrayal. I stopped spending money when I realized DUST 514 would not be able to fulfill that vision, Legion feels like a return to the original idea, but considering the state of your first promise of a sandbox shooter, why should I believe you when you say Project Legion will fulfill that vision? If DUST is your evidence, why are you creating a "different project, with different development tracks"? This I think, is the core of player's complaints/tears/rage/concerns, and this is the elephant in the room that you need to clearly address with your players.
You have an uphill battle ahead of you, and I don't envy your position; no matter what you say, you're going to lose players, even if what project Legion offers is what they always wanted. Personally, I'm committed to the Sandbox Shooter dream, and will be here offering ideas, suggestions and comments. However, I will likely be more reserved with my wallet this time around, until you clearly demonstrate a product that fulfills my Sandbox Dream (CCP, follow the link for ideas on how to better implement a Sandbox shooter. )
Making DUST 514 a Sandbox Shooter
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
2301
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:14:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:@crazy space 1
Getting through a lot of twitter responses at the moment. A better space to share information and frustration with circles beyond the game.
I actually meant since skirmish 1.0 was shown off in 2012 at fanfest then as "one of the smaller gamemodes" |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization
217
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:19:00 -
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All I want is my name and stats (KD, Wins, etc.) everything else can be erased
but maybe give Dust players a boost (a set amount of bonus SP/Isk) we did waste time (and money) into this
Spademan wrote:
SP is technically easier. SP is more a design question, tied into how the progression system changes.
Work out what 1 year of progression in Legion is. For people with 1 year of progression in dust give them the equivalent in Legion. Adjust depending on SP.
Would that be possible? [/quote]
This is acceptable and probably doable
I approve
and when they catch you, they will kill you. but first they must catch you
Minmatar are the Macguyvers of New Eden
CBV
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Yan Darn
Science For Death Final Resolution.
760
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:21:00 -
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alten hilt wrote:CCP, I respect your desire to get player feedback and make Project Legion the sandbox shooter we've all wanted... However, I wonder why you've chosen to reveal Project Legion now. Rebooting seemed inevitable to me, even 6 months ago, but Legion looks to be 1 - 2 years in the future. You've alienated players simply because so many details haven't even been worked out!! Without a clear vision of the future, players are making up their own, and in the process are feeling abandoned and betrayed. I understand people's rage. I started playing (and paying for) DUST because it promised a "Sandbox shooter". A promise it has consistently failed to achieve, and I've felt rage at this betrayal. I stopped spending money when I realized DUST 514 would not be able to fulfill that vision, Legion feels like a return to the original idea, but considering the state of your first promise of a sandbox shooter, why should I believe you when you say Project Legion will fulfill that vision? If DUST is your evidence, why are you creating a "different project, with different development tracks"? This I think, is the core of player's complaints/tears/rage/concerns, and this is the elephant in the room that you need to clearly address with your players. You have an uphill battle ahead of you, and I don't envy your position; no matter what you say, you're going to lose players, even if what project Legion offers is what they always wanted. Personally, I'm committed to the Sandbox Shooter dream, and will be here offering ideas, suggestions and comments. However, I will likely be more reserved with my wallet this time around, until you clearly demonstrate a product that fulfills my Sandbox Dream (CCP, follow the link for ideas on how to better implement a Sandbox shooter. )
I apologise for quoting such a long post. However I could not have expressed myself any better than this.
The Ghost of Bravo
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Bat Cow
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:21:00 -
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alten hilt wrote:CCP, I respect your desire to get player feedback and make Project Legion the sandbox shooter we've all wanted... However, I wonder why you've chosen to reveal Project Legion now. Rebooting seemed inevitable to me, even 6 months ago, but Legion looks to be 1 - 2 years in the future. You've alienated players simply because so many details haven't even been worked out!! Without a clear vision of the future, players are making up their own, and in the process are feeling abandoned and betrayed.
They announced it now because the sooner Dust dies off, the more people they can divert to Legion.
Moo.
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iliel
Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad.
39
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:21:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
Uh, isn't it as easy as so and so has an account with X lifetime SP in Dust.
X lifetime X SP = Y lifetime SP in Legion.
Thus so and so starts off with Y lifetime SP in Legion.
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Pr0phetzReck0ning
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn
204
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:23:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform.
They wouldn't dare stiff us, right?
LOL now THATS A TRYHARD FOLKS. Spendin $600 on this BETA only to get dooped in the butt. I feel sorry for you, sir.
But you deserve a slow clap, atleast for your commitment.
*slow fukin clap* |
NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
411
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:24:00 -
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New Eden, When your choices really matter.. except if you play Dust where we are gonna @#$@ you over for some French guys BS.
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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Pr0phetzReck0ning
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn
204
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:26:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
So you respond to whether character transfers can/will/may/may not happen but NOT that Dust is dead huh? Guess you agree that Dust is in fact dead. You're a doodlebutt |
Jimmy McNaulty
NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs
90
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:26:00 -
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This. |
Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
7615
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:28:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote: No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios).
When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
Couldn't you simply copy & paste the data over manually?
I know you have the ability to read/write Character info. Would it not be possible to have people simply file a help ticket with their PSN information, view the info from a DUST 514 Character, and then edit the same info an EVE: Legion character of their choice?
CCP Rouge (Crowd Control Productions - EVE: Legion) DUST 514
Kills: 6,186,300 | Deaths: 0
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Corban Lahnder
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
163
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:34:00 -
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I have been playing dust since build one. So I have to ask the devs a question I would like them to answer thoughtfully.
Why should I or anyone else continue playing dust?
Logibros comments indicate that they simply don't know enough about Legacy at this point to say weather or not we will be able to transition over from dust.
From my point of view the whole fun of dust is the community and the mmo fun of leveling your character. If you don't know how or if we will be able to transfer over to legacy with sp and assets why should we continue playing?
Im not saying this from a, "GRRR I'm mad at you!" point of view, but from a, "logic would dictate," point of view. If I don't know my merc will have any impact on the eve universe other then the current back and forth of FW,(which I do for the gear, not the story line, which could also could be nullified if there's no character asset transfer), I would simply stop playing until I knew more, or essentially I would be wasting my time.
To be perfectly honest "We simply don't know," Is probably worse then just, No or Yes, simply because it de-incentivizes any ones reason to play until they do know what would happen.
I'm going to have to check with my corpies to see if they share my sentiments. I want to continue work with my corporation because we've had some fun times together, but if anyone of them hung up there dropsuits because of this announcement, honestly, I couldn't hold it against them.
I look forward to your response. |
pseudosnipre
711
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:38:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm not on IRC but they are saying that Logibro just said they won't be transferring characters
People misquoting me, I said exactly the same thing as I said here on IRC. I hope you're sponsored by Revlon...good lipstick is expensive!
Seriously though, best of luck retaining customers. Looking forward to CCP's "official" plan for calming everyone down after concurrently lowering the price of Omega boosters and having 2x/3x SP events leading up to FanFest.
I'm just hoping Sony doesn't hold our account data hostage until you repay all the refund requests Sony is going to be wading through.
I have faith in you guys, but your track record indicates that you are more interested in customer acquisition than retention...
Although I do like that Legion looks like the game we have been describing on the forums. Not sure any othe firm has found a way to get consultants to PAY for the opportunity to provide good ideas.
Well played, New Eden.
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
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Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
241
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:39:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
Ya **** you DEV
& justice for all
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3658
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:43:00 -
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Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote:SirManBoy wrote:I have spent well over $600 supporting this game and my character has nearly 50 millions SP and over 400 million ISK. Personally, I think it would be unforgivable if CCP didn't allow Dust mercs to bring their skills and spoils with them to the new platform.
They wouldn't dare stiff us, right? LOL now THATS A TRYHARD FOLKS. Spendin $600 on this BETA only to get dooped in the butt. I feel sorry for you, sir. But you deserve a slow clap, atleast for your commitment. *slow fukin clap*
Or maybe just a grown up with disposable income that he decided to use on something that he enjoys.
Level 3 Forum Warrior
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
898
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:43:00 -
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alten hilt wrote:CCP, I respect your desire to get player feedback and make Project Legion the sandbox shooter we've all wanted... However, I wonder why you've chosen to reveal Project Legion now. Rebooting seemed inevitable to me, even 6 months ago, but Legion looks to be 1 - 2 years in the future. You've alienated players simply because so many details haven't even been worked out!! Without a clear vision of the future, players are making up their own, and in the process are feeling abandoned and betrayed. I understand people's rage. I started playing (and paying for) DUST because it promised a "Sandbox shooter". A promise it has consistently failed to achieve, and I've felt rage at this betrayal. I stopped spending money when I realized DUST 514 would not be able to fulfill that vision, Legion feels like a return to the original idea, but considering the state of your first promise of a sandbox shooter, why should I believe you when you say Project Legion will fulfill that vision? If DUST is your evidence, why are you creating a "different project, with different development tracks"? This I think, is the core of player's complaints/tears/rage/concerns, and this is the elephant in the room that you need to clearly address with your players. You have an uphill battle ahead of you, and I don't envy your position; no matter what you say, you're going to lose players, even if what project Legion offers is what they always wanted. Personally, I'm committed to the Sandbox Shooter dream, and will be here offering ideas, suggestions and comments. However, I will likely be more reserved with my wallet this time around, until you clearly demonstrate a product that fulfills my Sandbox Dream (CCP, follow the link for ideas on how to better implement a Sandbox shooter. ) I have a feeling that this is the reason we have seen no CPM1 voting or any attempt to actually finish Dust by CCP. You have hit the nail on the head Sir. Thank-you, I am down to one controller from 4 this morning due to my displeasure with the announcement. CCP should respond but we all know how often they look at the Dust forums, anyone have a link to the Legion forums?
A Brave New Eden
Forge a new destiny
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3658
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:45:00 -
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Corban Lahnder wrote:I have been playing dust since build one. So I have to ask the devs a question I would like them to answer thoughtfully.
Why should I or anyone else continue playing dust?
Logibros comments indicate that they simply don't know enough about Legacy at this point to say weather or not we will be able to transition over from dust.
From my point of view the whole fun of dust is the community and the mmo fun of leveling your character. If you don't know how or if we will be able to transfer over to legacy with sp and assets why should we continue playing?
Im not saying this from a, "GRRR I'm mad at you!" point of view, but from a, "logic would dictate," point of view. If I don't know my merc will have any impact on the eve universe other then the current back and forth of FW,(which I do for the gear, not the story line, which could also be nullified if there's no character asset transfer), I would simply stop playing until I knew more, or essentially I would be wasting my time.
To be perfectly honest "We simply don't know," Is probably worse then just, No or Yes, simply because it de-incentivizes any ones reason to play until they do know what would happen.
I'm going to have to check with my corpies to see if they share my sentiments. I want to continue work with my corporation because we've had some fun times together, but if anyone of them hung up there dropsuits because of this announcement, honestly, I couldn't hold it against them.
I look forward to your response. They didn't mind misleading Dust players into buying plane tickets to Iceland. Why not just make up a bunch of other stuff about Legion?
We'll give you all your SP and assets and you'll get to have dinner with the hot chick that's doing the voice for Valkerie
Level 3 Forum Warrior
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The Jungian
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:53:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:They didn't mind misleading Dust players into buying plane tickets to Iceland. Why not just make up a bunch of other stuff about Legion?
Valid point. I guess they will get satisfaction of watching some CCP devs get beat up tho. But then again, I bet that was just a lie to make a lot of regretful customers happy. |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day
269
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:54:00 -
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Port to PS4? No
Keep your stuff on PC? No
CCP- Welcome to New Eden
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Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
613
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:56:00 -
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Atiim wrote:CCP Logibro wrote: No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios).
When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet.
Couldn't you simply copy & paste the data over manually? I know you have the ability to read/write Character info. Would it not be possible to have people simply file a help ticket with their PSN information, view the info from a DUST 514 Character, and then edit the same info an EVE: Legion character of their choice?
character data is all tranq side. just as we can see and view and chat with peopel in eve, so i sall out data and its also why i cant name a character in dust the same as one in eve. they're all in the same data tables. the ps3 client holds the stuff ps3 needs. its the way EVE can run on macs and pc's of different specs. you just need a client to access tranquility. all this talk of moving chars over is pure BS personally. i can fire up any ps3 in the world that has dust on it. enter my psn details and my char is there without any save game on the ps3. just as i can log in to eve on any pc or mac and my char will be there. don't be fooled by dismissive comments about "its difficult to move them over" the data for the char is already there
Rolling with the punches
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United Caps and Mercs
263
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:00:00 -
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Some of us are professionnal Game developper and understand the burden of platform migration for whatever the political reason higher management has decided with the real numbers in hands.
You should not have released this information at fanfest, I can only think of how the duster that went there feel right now. Even if there is a ratio of SP given to character transfer, Dust atm, is only that, we do not play to play, we farm most of the time. While doing this we stick with friends (the real reason to stick around). If too much people feel that there is no reason to farm anymore because there is no long term goal anymore and you drop our character in the void, people will flee and you will keep this stigmatae with the next product. What garantee will we have you do not do it again ?
The customer trust right now is in jeopardy, tell the upper management not to repeat the mistake they did in Eve, so that some heads do not roll on the floor like last time ! |
NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:06:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Skihids wrote:DUST is dead, long live Legion.
That's what it sounds like with every DUST presentation being about Legion. Weren't we promised a new build we could actually play at FF? What happened to that?
CCP is hedging about character transfer, but it's not a question of "can they?". It's a matter of "do they want to?" As was pointed out EVE still gets new subscriptions with 10 year old characters in the game, so starting with high level players is either not a problem or it will kill the game inside two years regardless as new players gain the same level.
CCP really needs to admit their plans for transfer right now, or folks will have to assume they mean to let all your DUST toons die.
My assumption is that they aren't saying because they know that making the call to make DUST a dead end will turn it into a ghost town overnight. No, it's actually a matter of can we. There are technical questions and restrictions, policy questions (with Sony) and design questions (how do we convert experience when the progression system is different, items are different and ISK works in different ratios). When we can answer the questions above, we'll share with you. Trust me when we say we want to let people carry over progress. But we just honestly don't know if we can do so yet. The answer is you made it diffrent so you wouldnt have to, I hope all you ***** ass devs lose your jobs... You are part of the betryal as well.
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J0hlss0n
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Well, it turns out Zipper Interactive wasnt sucha bad developer after all, after taking part of these news, CCP... I aint buying a PC (its a working station for me, nothing for gaming) just to start over. You've absolutely lost yourself a player here if this is really what's happening and yes, I too have spent alot of time and money on this.... |
Thor Odinson42
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J0hlss0n wrote:Well, it turns out Zipper Interactive wasnt sucha bad developer after all, after taking part of these news, CCP... I aint buying a PC (its a working station for me, nothing for gaming) just to start over. You've absolutely lost yourself a player here if this is really what's happening and yes, I too have spent alot of time and money on this....
Just make sure I know which game you'll be playing. I don't want to be against you!
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CELESTA AUNGM
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:22:00 -
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I read SOME Gamer/PC websites' interviews with Legion's "Producer" Jean-Charles Gaudechon. I understand he's new on the job, and comes from EA's mindset on shooter games and PC games... but he speaks almost back-handedly about Dust 514 like a kid talking about his "grandparents"....(you know, "I luv them, but they're the PAST and they were just the wrong people to do this right"). Someone thinking like he does CAN'T successfully build Dust's full identity. To do that, the devs were right---you HAD to pull it off of PC and format it in the viscreral console-gamer atmosphere.
Yes, there will be a river of underlying contemptuous-cracks, even inside CCP's studios, about how Legion will be Dust 514 finally built as intended. ....I just don't think PC nor the mindset of Legion's producer is going to make that happen. If Legion does become a happy release (at least 6 months away before we know anything), it is likely to be a Capsuleer game, only in a SUIT instead of a Spaceship.
That's not what Dust 514 was intended to be or was developing into. Dust was to produce a realm of Fighting-Mercenaries. You contract via Capsuleers to help them take or defend owned districts (even PvE add-ons of this were going to be based around an owned or sought-after district.), and THAT is your business. The contract-theme never conceptualized a combat-merc prospecting around on her own.... there's no way for her to be transported from one planet to another except as cattle on a warbarge during a Capsuleer's Contract.
Legion sounds like it primary goal is building that "sandbox" for us. CELESTA is on her own, hanging out at 'home', wants some ISK or gear, (why can't she buy it on the markeplaces from the comfort of her sofa like in Dust, forgot her userID?), visits planet surfaces by way of a warp-teleport unit of some sort, combs for stuff sticking out of the ground, bumps into or finds out about (via a starmap-search-engine device) dangerous drones or other players to compete against. Maybe hears about a fight going on somewhere, and joins in to have some kill-fun. Maybe just an explorer's career path of scavenging for stuff....
THAT's being a "character" from EVE ONline, not being a character from Dust 514. It's not the military-merc who's rigid business is slay-on-hire, war-on-contract, pay my price and I'll burn whole moons!
Legion reads like Eve's privateer aspect getting it's own title, it's NOT Dust 514's function finally somehow being accomplished via PC. Sounds like Eve Online's gameplay component is being slipped out of a Pod and into a Surface Suit. And good for them. It's about fun.
But it's being a privateer. Privateering is cool, and it's what Eve Online allowed with spaceships, but I don't find the walking around danger zones prospecting for my profit appealing enough to want to pay their game. I'm a true merc, and I don't do "miner's digging" for the pot of gold I seek... I want to to get paid for killing and snatching....in bulk wholesale (OMG, that sounds evil). Dust isn't there yet, but that's the objective.
Privateer/scavenger/exploring in an environmental suit (...if I'm not using it for the sole purpose of COMBAT, is it a combat "dropsuit" anymore?), I don't think my Dust SP, killing-only equipment, and bonuses will be very applicable, would it?....
So Legion likely won't be for me, and I won't need my account transferred. If Dust 514 expires in the future (and I KNOW expiration is not going to happen any time in the next few years), I'm having a basket-load of fun in this experiment, and I'll be watching (and participating) in what comes next with Gallente-merc grin! |
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