I rather not make the proto stomp issue bigger than it really is by resorting to higher pay.

What you should be demanding is cheaper fits on the lower end.

Yea...either that...or make it easier for people to get into proto suits.

Frames 2x, Roles 4x. Or, if that's too low, 3x - 6x?

I rather not make the proto stomp issue bigger than it really is by resorting to higher pay.

What you should be demanding is cheaper fits on the lower end.

So you support CCP/Shanghai over players? Just asking.

I think you are completely wrong. No surprise right? Well the problem with the current ISK payout scheme is any below sixth place or so get the shaft. The further down you go the worse it is. Good ISK payout seems tied to destruction of equipment, at least that is what happened when my ISK rewards are at their highest.

One used to be able to make a profit if a decent strategy and play style could be developed. Since the first of the year CCP/Shanghai has significantly cut the ISK payout. Distinctly, directly and repeatedly.

The change on the battlefield is obvious. Many Mercs pull back once they have lost too much. Then the rest QQ about their Berries not doing anything. Well, duh! The more suits they lose means they will not only lose the battle but take a financial loss as well.

CCP/Shanghai choked off the ISK, probably because many from Beta had millions and PC Corps do as well. Now, this is the resulting change in game behavior. New Berries and those needing to grind in this grinder to end all grinders want to do it and still be able to buy the hugely over priced Skill Books. Because you cannot Skill into a branch of the skill tree without the original Skill Book.


Reap. Sow. You know the drill. Although, maybe CCP/Shanghai doesn't.

So how many officer fitted ships can you lose in a row?

I don't know how death is frequent in EVE but i'm sure that is less frequent than DUST.
Comparing a space RPG to a FPS have no sense.

Every FPS share the same basic concept, shoot to the enemy and kill him, so kills and deaths are occurring very often.

Generally in every FPS kills and deaths count only towards to your stats and have no impact on the way you play the game, but DUST is different, you have to pay for your assets (and i like this concept), but ISK payouts are not balanced to your effort.

Let me explain better with some examples:
My STD fits cost average is: 20k isk
My ADV fits cost average is: 60k isk
My PRO fits cost average is: 190k isk

My payout average is; 210k isk

This mean that i can die:
10 times in STD or
3 times in ADV + 1 STD or
1 time in PRO + 1STD.

In a game where deaths are frequent like a FPS you should be able to die with your best asset at least 2 times and still make profit.
I have had only a biref experience with EVE online, but i don't think that death occurrs as much as in DUST.

Let's assume a player with a 1.0 kd/r, he should be able to use 1 PRO, 3 ADV, 10 STD and gain some isk (not a lot but a decent amount), 16 kills and 16 deaths.

How?
I think there should be some kind of isk multipliers at the end of the match based on your WP score.
Each multiplier should be at 500 WP
Something like (random numbers):
500wp x 1.1
1000wp x 1.2
1500wp x 1.3
2000wp x 1.4
2500wp x 1.5
and so on till a cap of 2.
WInning team gain a +0.1 on all multipliers, losing team -0.1 on all multipliers.

In this way the game will pay your efforts and you will gain something more if you give something more.

Every FPS share the same basic concept, shoot to the enemy and kill him, so kills and deaths are occurring very often.

Generally in every FPS kills and deaths count only towards to your stats and have no impact on the way you play the game, but DUST is different, you have to pay for your assets (and i like this concept), but ISK payouts are not balanced to your effort.

Let me explain better with some examples:
My STD fits cost average is: 20k isk
My ADV fits cost average is: 60k isk
My PRO fits cost average is: 190k isk

My payout average is; 210k isk

This mean that i can die:
10 times in STD or
3 times in ADV + 1 STD or
1 time in PRO + 1STD.

In a game where deaths are frequent like a FPS you should be able to die with your best asset at least 2 times and still make profit.
I have had only a biref experience with EVE online, but i don't think that death occurrs as much as in DUST.

Let's assume a player with a 1.0 kd/r, he should be able to use 1 PRO, 3 ADV, 10 STD and gain some isk (not a lot but a decent amount), 16 kills and 16 deaths.

How?
I think there should be some kind of isk multipliers at the end of the match based on your WP score.
Each multiplier should be at 500 WP
Something like (random numbers):
500wp x 1.1
1000wp x 1.2
1500wp x 1.3
2000wp x 1.4
2500wp x 1.5
and so on till a cap of 2.
WInning team gain a +0.1 on all multipliers, losing team -0.1 on all multipliers.

In this way the game will pay your efforts and you will gain something more if you give something more.

I rather not make the proto stomp issue bigger than it really is by resorting to higher pay.

What you should be demanding is cheaper fits on the lower end.

Every FPS share the same basic concept, shoot to the enemy and kill him, so kills and deaths are occurring very often.

Generally in every FPS kills and deaths count only towards to your stats and have no impact on the way you play the game, but DUST is different, you have to pay for your assets (and i like this concept), but ISK payouts are not balanced to your effort.

Let me explain better with some examples:
My STD fits cost average is: 20k isk
My ADV fits cost average is: 60k isk
My PRO fits cost average is: 190k isk

My payout average is; 210k isk

This mean that i can die:
10 times in STD or
3 times in ADV + 1 STD or
1 time in PRO + 1STD.

In a game where deaths are frequent like a FPS you should be able to die with your best asset at least 2 times and still make profit.
I have had only a biref experience with EVE online, but i don't think that death occurrs as much as in DUST.

Let's assume a player with a 1.0 kd/r, he should be able to use 1 PRO, 3 ADV, 10 STD and gain some isk (not a lot but a decent amount), 16 kills and 16 deaths.

How?
I think there should be some kind of isk multipliers at the end of the match based on your WP score.
Each multiplier should be at 500 WP
Something like (random numbers):
500wp x 1.1
1000wp x 1.2
1500wp x 1.3
2000wp x 1.4
2500wp x 1.5
and so on till a cap of 2.
WInning team gain a +0.1 on all multipliers, losing team -0.1 on all multipliers.

In this way the game will pay your efforts and you will gain something more if you give something more.

No thanks.
When I run a proto suit I know I can only die once or risk losing more than I gain

But this also makes the game boring! Everyone fears to lose too many isk and the entire game solves into a giant camp fest.

Or

The few proto users will easily outmatch the others "poors"

Or

Sniping the entire match

I made 369K in one match last night, and the one guy I was running with made 420K. We wondered why our team was doing so badly then we realized that it was 5 vs 16. The rest had quit or gone afk. But him and I stayed, I started using my advanced suit after I lost my first proto and he only died once cause he is better at retreating then me.

Anyways for those that don't know, isk payout is based on the gear you're wearing vs the gear the enemy is, how many warpoints you get and where you place in the rankings. The cost of all the equipment and gear that the enemy team brings in is put against your and how well you do determines how much you get, that is why it's worth losing a couple of suicide militia fits with remote explosives to take out 2 or 3 protos.

The entire game is stacked against newbs but even when I had under 2 mil SP I still topped the leaderboard, it wasn't in kills like it is now (I usually did 0.86) it was smart placement of drop uplinks, staying to the outside and hacking objectives, picking off the lone guy here and there, sometimes I would rep and stay in the middle of a group but I could usually pull over 1000 warpoints a game. Use equalizers like remotes, it doesn't matter what suit they have if they walk into a bomb.