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shaman oga
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Posted - 2014.04.23 08:25:00 -
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Every FPS share the same basic concept, shoot to the enemy and kill him, so kills and deaths are occurring very often.
Generally in every FPS kills and deaths count only towards to your stats and have no impact on the way you play the game, but DUST is different, you have to pay for your assets (and i like this concept), but ISK payouts are not balanced to your effort.
Let me explain better with some examples:
My STD fits cost average is: 20k isk
My ADV fits cost average is: 60k isk
My PRO fits cost average is: 190k isk
My payout average is; 210k isk
This mean that i can die:
10 times in STD or
3 times in ADV + 1 STD or
1 time in PRO + 1STD.
In a game where deaths are frequent like a FPS you should be able to die with your best asset at least 2 times and still make profit.
I have had only a biref experience with EVE online, but i don't think that death occurrs as much as in DUST.
Let's assume a player with a 1.0 kd/r, he should be able to use 1 PRO, 3 ADV, 10 STD and gain some isk (not a lot but a decent amount), 16 kills and 16 deaths.
How?
I think there should be some kind of isk multipliers at the end of the match based on your WP score.
Each multiplier should be at 500 WP
Something like (random numbers):
500wp x 1.1
1000wp x 1.2
1500wp x 1.3
2000wp x 1.4
2500wp x 1.5
and so on till a cap of 2.
WInning team gain a +0.1 on all multipliers, losing team -0.1 on all multipliers.
In this way the game will pay your efforts and you will gain something more if you give something more.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.04.23 08:32:00 -
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There is no point running PRO over ADV if you are against an organized team, but at least if everyone have the possibility to use at least a couple of PRO suits, they should counter them better.
I must agree that ADV and STD suit cost too much.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.04.23 11:26:00 -
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The Eristic wrote:keno trader wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I rather not make the proto stomp issue bigger than it really is by resorting to higher pay.
What you should be demanding is cheaper fits on the lower end. Yea...either that...or make it easier for people to get into proto suits. Frames 2x, Roles 4x. Or, if that's too low, 3x - 6x?
SP are not the problem, sooner or later everybody can skill a pro suit, the problem is to use it, because it's expensive.
I don't think that with increased isk payouts there will be more protostomping, afterall who run proto 24/7 will still be running proto 24/7, at least if everybody will have the possibility to use a couple of pro suits and still make profit, the match would not be so easily onesided.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.04.23 11:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I rather not make the proto stomp issue bigger than it really is by resorting to higher pay.
What you should be demanding is cheaper fits on the lower end. So you support CCP/Shanghai over players? Just asking.  I think you are completely wrong. No surprise right? Well the problem with the current ISK payout scheme is any below sixth place or so get the shaft. The further down you go the worse it is. Good ISK payout seems tied to destruction of equipment, at least that is what happened when my ISK rewards are at their highest. One used to be able to make a profit if a decent strategy and play style could be developed. Since the first of the year CCP/Shanghai has significantly cut the ISK payout. Distinctly, directly and repeatedly. The change on the battlefield is obvious. Many Mercs pull back once they have lost too much. Then the rest QQ about their Berries not doing anything. Well, duh! The more suits they lose means they will not only lose the battle but take a financial loss as well. CCP/Shanghai choked off the ISK, probably because many from Beta had millions and PC Corps do as well. Now, this is the resulting change in game behavior. New Berries and those needing to grind in this grinder to end all grinders want to do it and still be able to buy the hugely over priced Skill Books. Because you cannot Skill into a branch of the skill tree without the original Skill Book. Reap. Sow. You know the drill. Although, maybe CCP/Shanghai doesn't.  So how many officer fitted ships can you lose in a row?
I don't know how death is frequent in EVE but i'm sure that is less frequent than DUST.
Comparing a space RPG to a FPS have no sense.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1925
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Posted - 2014.04.23 18:31:00 -
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The point of the whole thread was about the possibility for the average medium player to use TWO (not 10) proto suit in match and still have a LITTLE PROFIT.
KEY WORDS: TWO DEATHS IN PROTO (+deaths with lower tier suits) LITTLE PROFIT
More isk for everybody means that even players in non-PC corps will be able to gain a little more to counter proto with proto or just to play with a damn suit you need 2 months to unlock.
It's like having a Ferrari, but not have the money for the fuel, if you buy a Ferrari but you don't have money for the fuel, you'll feel a little.....
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1925
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Posted - 2014.04.23 18:38:00 -
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Sorry IWS, it's not always easy to express my opinion in a language different from mine, i have to use little tricks like underlinded words or caps lock.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1933
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Posted - 2014.04.23 23:22:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:What in the **** are you running?
My standard fits cost between 8K and 15K
My advanced are between 20k and 30k
Proto I can't really say because I rarely use them and save them for when money is no object.
I generally use the suit paired with the gun, STD suit with STD weapons and so on.
Modules and equipments are another story, i use modules and equipments to fill my PG/CPU, for most expensive equipments like pro hives and uplinks i have dedicated fittings and i usually put them where my team need them and then i switch fit.
But generally my fits cost like i have said, i play 90% of the matches with STD suits, i need versatility.
Some weapons also requires more than std hives.
I don't have isk problems for myself, i generally make profit, but i feel that isk payouts are a little too low.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1936
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:13:00 -
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wait reloading wrote:you dont need good gear to turn a profit, my primary suit I use cost me >10k and quite often near the top of the leaderboard. Someone posted that they make a couple of million a day - I make about 3 million in 2 hours running solo, I actually give isk away and still have more then when I started that day. Passive bonuses are very helpful but you need to follow through with something you start skilling into
I don't have isk problems, i gain isk every time i play, but i'm not the only one playing the game.
I'm not a great shooter but i can do my own, some people shoot better, but maybe they don't have tactical awareness, some people are worse than me at shooters and they die more often, isk payouts are too low imo, all the players should have the possibilty to use their better equip, die with it, but still have some profit, not a lot, but a little profit, i don't want to 10X isk payouts, i want to boost them a little to give the possibility to everyone to use their proto fit 1 time every match and gain something.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1937
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Posted - 2014.04.24 14:43:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:
Uprising is the build with the cheapest fits... EVER. If you're seriously having problems with ISK you have to get better at Dust.
Prices for items used to be 3 to 4 times higher than current ones and should've stayed that way so that PRO gear would usually be used when truly necessary. On Codex build or earlier, bringing in a PRO actually carried a big risk but now it's something that's affordable and can give you multiple kills, same goes for current tank fits (old price range: 1.5-2.5 million ISK)
It's not my problem, i have enough isk to run proto if i want, it's a general problem, probably you don't care, but if you place 1st in match there are 15 other players under you that gain less isk than you and other 16 on the other column that gain less isk than you, try to open your eyes and look the other results and not only yours, it would be too easy to judge only with your point of view.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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