Point on the doll where the heavy touched you....

1 grenade?
It takes three to take down a heavy, even before the explosive resistances, what are you smoking?

Good.

Pubs are full of stupid people who deserve to be melted. Do that.

lolno

The amount of times people would kill me while i'm full health with proto nades was stupid. I thought they were bugged, and even made a couple threads asking about it because proto nades was 1 shotting everything.

Considering I am using every class other than the logistics, I don't think this is just an assault problem.

No.

Heavies are supposed to be superior in direct combat.

Deal with it.

Hey guys, here's an idea, why don't we wait for the tweaks to medium suits before we all jump aboard the nerf train? what if they nerf heavy suits now, and then buff medium suits? all of a sudden, man... i sure wish we had more heavies to combat all these assault suits.

Also, lets not forget, more heavies = more forge guns. Or have we already forgotten what happened to all the logis? "Where are all the forge gunners?! these tanks are insane!"

Take a few steps back so you're out of their optimal. Or get behind partial cover. Than a heavy can't do anything to you, as more than 60% of his DPS is absorbed by the cover whether he aims perfectly or not.

If you're headbutting the heavy and expecting to live, you deserve to die. End of story.

That is not supposed to be a balanced engagement. You are not entitled to a fair fight in direct combat.

Deal with it.

Then he was a moron who couldn't aim and chance placed him in that situation, not intelligent thought.

Hey guys, here's an idea, why don't we wait for the tweaks to medium suits before we all jump aboard the nerf train? what if they nerf heavy suits now, and then buff medium suits? all of a sudden, man... i sure wish we had more heavies to combat all these assault suits.

Also, lets not forget, more heavies = more forge guns. Or have we already forgotten what happened to all the logis? "Where are all the forge gunners?! these tanks are insane!"

Assaulting an objective with heavies in it . Assaults have gnades, mass driver, flux nades, shotguns, re's, tanks (open objectives) proto small missiles from assault dropships, Plasma cannon......

lol dude shut up

Replace that heavy with, say, an assault, a scout, a logi, or a commando, and they are in even more trouble.

In all the situations you described aside from the PLC, the heavy can actually take the most beating and kill the most people before dying.

I run sentinel, min commando, assault, logi, and tank.


You might find it insane that I have no issue with any of these things. Probably because having access to everything gives one perspective as to its weaknesses and strengths.

Most people have access to only one or two things and do nothing but cry about everything they don't understand.

Cat should know better. It's a shame he doesn't.

Assaulting an objective with heavies in it . Assaults have gnades, mass driver, flux nades, shotguns, re's, tanks (open objectives) proto small missiles from assault dropships, Plasma cannon......

lol dude shut up

what a BS argument, heavies have grenades as well, heavies are resistant to explosives like MDs (and can also use them), heavies can use tanks as well, and assault dropships. on the subject of tanks, if something is OP, using something else OP to stop it doesn't make it less OP

. . . taking one down feels like a chore, there is no "Fun" in fighting a heavy . . .

Remote explosives - Most can survive them, and scouts/logis scanning around tend to get rid of them
Shotguns - Without cloaks they would be ****, even then a fully tanked heavy can take 5 shotgun shots
Nova Knives - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I can sit 30 meters out and flank the heavy, and he can still turn around and blap me after I unloaded 1/3rd of my clip into him.
Some heavies I literally can't take out with a full clip.
I have prof V and I still can't take them out with a full clip.
That's insane.

I find myself reloading all the time before I can bring them down to 1/5th armor.

I know the weakness of everything, but if I speak out about it, that means I don't think that weakness is big enough.

That's how I feel about heavies, I don't feel like they have much weakness.

Cat, you really don't have enough PC experience, especially high end, to have a relevant opinion on how heavies are in PC.

And if you wish to argue, feel free to share with me your experiences of heavies going 23/2 in PC over and over again consistently.

Keep your opinions to a pub level. :P

They have no real ability to use radar on their own, they have no ability to supply themselves, they have no ability to help the team with uplinks. They have to be babysat 24/7 in serious matches or they are worthless.

They can transition between objectives at a reasonable speed if they fit pure kincats, but it cripples their EHP levels and because they are incapable of strafing properly that means they will drop incredibly fast even with all of that HP as damage application against them is perfect.

They have one job, one job only, and that is direct combat superiority. Due to their crappy movement, this means a lot of point defense.

No.

Heavies are supposed to be superior in direct combat.

Deal with it.

Just speaking from my own experience here:


Taking one down should be a chore, just like constantly turning around every 5 seconds to make sure a cloaked scout is not sneaking up on you is a chore (I have no complaints about scouts by the way.)



RE's - I usually run a standard Caldari Sentinel with two shield rechargers in a high slots, but even with two complex shield extenders I've never survived a remote explosive. Does anyone know how many extenders are needed to tank an RE?

Shotguns - How many heavies have you come across that can tank 5 shotgun rounds at optimum range? I have CalSent skilled to 5 for 15% resistance to shotguns and I still go down in 3 rounds.

Nova Knives - I don't understand why you're laughing. From first hand experience, I know a Minmatar scout with charged NK's can one shot my suit. Other suits can finish me off with a regular slash.





What are you using? If I'm not careful, I get eaten by ADV CR's while waddling across the street.

At 30 meters, the TTK of a HMG is around 2 seconds against most medium suits. Slowdown effect notwithstanding, this is more than enough time to get back in cover and reposition. I ran dual Magsecs (skilled only to Operations 1) during the sidearm event and with 2 enhanced damage mods I was able to take down most heavies without having to reload or swap.

I do agree the slowdown effect should be removed; if a player is fast enough to react to being shot he should have the opportunity to get to cover.



The HMG Sentinel's durability and close-in DPS are requisite to its purpose as a short range brawler. It's literally the only thing it's good at.

If a nerf is necessary for the heavy, reduce its sprint speed. This will narrow the useful envelope of the suit without harming what it's supposed to be good at while it's in that envelope.

And if an HP nerf really is necessary, I suggest that it be done on a per race basis instead of a flat % across the board. Also, perhaps a reduction in HP of non-primary tank coupled with a smaller HP gain in primary tank (example: +100 to shields and - 200 to armor for the Caldari Sentinel) would help make using -- and fighting -- the different racial suits more interesting.