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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:19:00 -
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Problem with nerfing the heavies, is you risk sending them back to where they were a few updates ago. This is CCP.
The problem with nerfing turn speed, as someone mentioned, is tracking targets. When you slow down heavies, it'll make their CQC engagements useless. People argued "heavies are for CQC encounters, HMGs aren't suppose to be strong at range."... now people want to take away the CQC aspect by nerfing the ability to track.
I remember when assault players were orbiting heavies, it was a joke. Having a gun that shoots peas, plus not being able to track enemies in the heavies "kill zone".
Maybe scouts need to be more agile, but from what people are saying, scouts are strong as is. So buffing their speed might make them OP.
Thing with the heavy is that he turns the same speed with the HMG as he does with an SMG. There's no difference. You can argue that that shouldn't be the case, and maybe it shouldn't. Maybe different races could have different HMGs that don't weigh the same. Like the Minmitar's version of the HMG won't be big and clunky because they rely on speed no? But obviously it won't do as much dmg as the current HMG.
Maybe when all the races have their own version of the HMG (a year after fanfest maybe) then CCP can balance the weapons for their respective roles. If you want to turn fast, you'll use the Minmitar HMG... if you want to hold down a corridor and sacrifice turning speed, use the current one (Galente?)
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"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:25:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:Are you supposed to take a heavy down with 1 clip?
Funny enough, that's what he's saying. He wants to kill a heavy with 1 magazine. This is why heavies were such a joke a while back. Now heavies take a little more effort to kill, calls to nerf the HP.
It's as dumb as saying "I want to kill a tank with 1 FG mag! Nerf the tank's HP!" No 
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"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:32:00 -
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PO0KY wrote:I would fap to any heavy nerf.
Point on the doll where the heavy touched you....
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"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:38:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
Heavies were a joke because the HMG didn't work right.
They buffed the HMG, and they became badass.
I saw a healthy balance in PC, people brought heavies, but they weren't 50% of the enemy team.
Then the weapons nerf happened, proficiency nerfs, resistances buffs, and grenades nerfs, and suddenly heavies are 50% or more of the people in PC matches and are not fun to fight against, they feel like annoying roadblocks that you either have to go around or shoot at for 10 minutes until they go down.
Heavies were a joke NOT JUST because the HMG was poop. The turn speed was bad, the nade spam, MD spam, ARs being out of balance, AA...
You name it, heavies felt it worse because their huge hitbox and speed compounded every problem.
Heavies are SUPPOSE a problem to get rid of. Not just throw a nade at one or 1 magazine... like heavies were since Chromosome! A joke. Before Chromosome heavies were feared, and you respected their presence, as you should.
They have an actual TTK now, and that's a problem? I thought people wanted a better TTK?
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"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:42:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
I'm sorry but what?
When a role is 50% of the units you see in PC, that usually means something is wrong.
You mean like when Medium suits were 90% of the team a few updates back? It was fine then right?
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"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:43:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I'm sorry but that just means the heavy was fine before, and now it's too powerful.
Heavies were fine before? Before what? I'm asking before I give my opinion on that statement.
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"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:47:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
I'm sorry but what?
When a role is 50% of the units you see in PC, that usually means something is wrong.
You mean like when Medium suits were 90% of the team a few updates back? It was fine then right? No, no it wasn't. Get your head out of your ass, I'm looking for balance, not for dominance. I was using my Assault suit with AR today for fucks sake, that should tell you how much I care about being OP.
It was. I didn't see anybody complaining "THERE'S TOO MANY ASSAULTS!!!"... PC was DOMINATED by medium suits. Heavies were a novelty at one point, hell even I brought out my Galente Medium. Scouts?... lol... only certain people brought them out for the melee glitch.
Now a class actually has a role that trumps YOUR class in certain situations, and it's a bad thing. You want your cake and to eat it too.
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"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:53:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I'm sorry but that just means the heavy was fine before, and now it's too powerful. Heavies were fine before? Before what? I'm asking before I give my opinion on that statement. 1.7, after the HMG buff.
Heavies ALWAYS needed a resistance buff. ALWAYS. It was only a matter of time before they got it because lolnades in DUST. The explosive spam in this game was all PC was about. Killing a full health heavy, full armor, full shields with 1 proto nade IS A JOKE! I've had this happen to me MANY times in PC, WHILE having a logi on my ass.
Resistance to explosives was always needed. HMG buff was needed, turn speed was needed (maybe they buffed it too much? idk), HP buff was needed, TO A POINT. I'm not saying to make heavies God mode, but they're HEAVIES. They have a role, and so do you! Heavies need concentrated fire again, which is great! It means heavies are respected again for what they are, bloody heavies!
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 20:00:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
"Certain situations"
It trumps all classes at all situations.
Every single one.
Being a heavy is the most easy mode thing in the game right now, I got 20/0 while barely looking at the screen, talking to my sister.
Your argument is flawed. I'm not talking about the heavies wielding light weapons, that's a different argument altogether. My argument is heavy HMG users, playing in CQC situation. THAT'S THEIR ROLE.
I used to respect your opinions, I might not have agreed with them, but this argument you have for a heavy HP + turn speed nerf because you can't kill them with 1 mag, is the dumbest thing I've heard you say yet.
You hear yourself? You want to kill a heavy with 1 magazine... yet you want to say you're not biased?
Medium suits will ALWAYS be the easiest mode in this game, hence you see more medium suits than any other. People play DUST to challenge themselves? This game is about stomping everyone as easy as possible, which is what you're implying in your posts.
I'm done here. Your ignorance on the whole matter is baffling, but your biased opinions are glaring.
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"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 20:08:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
1 grenade?
It takes three to take down a heavy, even before the explosive resistances, what are you smoking?
lolno
The amount of times people would kill me while i'm full health with proto nades was stupid. I thought they were bugged, and even made a couple threads asking about it because proto nades was 1 shotting everything.
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"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2014.04.22 20:10:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
No.
Heavies are supposed to be superior in direct combat.
Deal with it.
YO!!!!! LOGIC???!!!!
GTFO man... logically thinking that heavies are better in direct combat does not belong in here! Heavies are suppose to die to 1 mag!
#DEALWITHIT
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