They seem to be fine against it's hard counters:

• Remote Explosives
• Shotguns
• Nova Knives

How about we solve the real problems and remove the HMG's snare effect, along with reducing it's turn speeds? Let's see what happens afterwards, and make further changes if necessary.

Along with that a 10% eHP reduction could easily make the Minmatar & Caldari heavies the worst options for Sentinel users.

Or just nerf the living **** out of the hmg, and buff cal and min heavies slightly and reduce thier armor.

Seems like the range on the HMGs is too far. I tend to keep my distance anyway, but there have been a handful of times where that heavy should not have been able to reach me. The assault scrambler on my Ammando works wonders on you heavy b*astards btw.

Even at optimal ranges?

Are you supposed to take a heavy down with 1 clip?

Funny enough, that's what he's saying. He wants to kill a heavy with 1 magazine. This is why heavies were such a joke a while back. Now heavies take a little more effort to kill, calls to nerf the HP.

It's as dumb as saying "I want to kill a tank with 1 FG mag! Nerf the tank's HP!" No

5 shotgun shots ???

You can't base your encounters off of facing prototype suits , that's just dangerous .

That's the problem with people that ask for an item to be nerfed .. they base that off of their encounters with prototype items and that's why this game is in the state that it is now and that's unbalanced .

I use a Caldari sentinel series and it takes three to four shotgun shots .

Heavies are fine, you can almost one shot a basic with a basic shotgun, if you are dying to higher tiered, well you have to use a higher tiered shotgun. This is coming from a scout who almost ONLY dies from heavies. I would like to see their turn speed decreased though, except for the minimatar heavy. That thing is gimped enough, and when I run into one that I can take down to 100 armor in one shotgun hit, then I DIE because I can't manage to hit him ONE MORE TIME, well hats off to putting kin kats on a heavy dude.

Likewise I think scouts are a little overpowered, I'll be the first to say that AS a scout. However, CCP has painted us into a corner, I can't really run without a cloak cause everyone has them and I can't see them even with double precision so my defense is to use a cloak myself, however, changing the delay of the cloak before firing means not even being able to react when two scouts run across each other unexpectedly. Honestly, if the cloak was to be taken away completely I wouldn't mind, I have learned to use it as a crutch.

Remove the slow on hit effect and change scouts profile/precision back to 45/40 like it was pre 1.8. Give ALL scouts the 5% dampening per level and you will see a balanced return, keep the scanners, widen them all to 60%, make it so you can't spin while using and reduce the recharge time. EWAR is fixed, speed tanking is fixed and with mediums coming back you won't get so many heavies.

I'd say give the mediums about double base health, they aren't going to be heavies but a sec of more survivability might get people using them again.

True ... so true .

Another attempt at killing someone's role and eventually the game .

Heavies were a joke NOT JUST because the HMG was poop. The turn speed was bad, the nade spam, MD spam, ARs being out of balance, AA...

You name it, heavies felt it worse because their huge hitbox and speed compounded every problem.

Heavies are SUPPOSE a problem to get rid of. Not just throw a nade at one or 1 magazine... like heavies were since Chromosome! A joke. Before Chromosome heavies were feared, and you respected their presence, as you should.

They have an actual TTK now, and that's a problem? I thought people wanted a better TTK?

This is why this game is crap right now is because of posts like these and the players who back them .

It's not even funny anymore and it's killing the desire to even play this game and even more to look on the forums to see such .

I wish they would just kill the forums already .

The amount of ignorance that comes out of this forum and some of these players mouths is just unmeasurable .

You mean like when Medium suits were 90% of the team a few updates back? It was fine then right?

Heavies were fine before? Before what? I'm asking before I give my opinion on that statement.

he has no point his agenda is he wants more parlor tricks to kill heavies
as if the sig the cloak Re's a shotgun and faster strafing speed wasnt enough

It was. I didn't see anybody complaining "THERE'S TOO MANY ASSAULTS!!!"... PC was DOMINATED by medium suits. Heavies were a novelty at one point, hell even I brought out my Galente Medium. Scouts?... lol... only certain people brought them out for the melee glitch.

Now a class actually has a role that trumps YOUR class in certain situations, and it's a bad thing. You want your cake and to eat it too.

Stop lying I've never once seen you in a heavy suit I played 3 matches with you yesterday .you were running scout shotgun

Like I said , assault suits are a non factor , so that means kill everything else ???

Why not propose ways to better the classes that are lacking instead of killing roles that are just beginning to actually have a place in the game .

That might just be too much like right .

my opinion of you is that you are in fact a biased idiot

Heavies ALWAYS needed a resistance buff. ALWAYS. It was only a matter of time before they got it because lolnades in DUST. The explosive spam in this game was all PC was about. Killing a full health heavy, full armor, full shields with 1 proto nade IS A JOKE! I've had this happen to me MANY times in PC, WHILE having a logi on my ass.

Resistance to explosives was always needed. HMG buff was needed, turn speed was needed (maybe they buffed it too much? idk), HP buff was needed, TO A POINT. I'm not saying to make heavies God mode, but they're HEAVIES. They have a role, and so do you! Heavies need concentrated fire again, which is great! It means heavies are respected again for what they are, bloody heavies!

Speak for yourself. I have no issues dropping heavies with laser rifle. Guess what kills me more often. Scouts. It's like rock scissor paper. And you're scissors going up against their rock, when you should be going after paper. Scouts aren't meant to be a solo class. Scouts are supposed to work together with the squad (think the moon orbiting the earth, ie the rest of the squad). Tell your squad there is a heavy and where he is located instead of trying to be the end all killer. The adjustments make plenty of sense to me. If you have a diverse squad with diverse weaponry, a heavies resistances aren't nearly powerful. Before you QQ more about heavies, try running as a squad scout instead of a solo scout and you might notice the new balances were intended to improve teamwork, not remove it from the game.

you're a liar ...plain and simple

I'm guessing the majority of peeps who want the heavy nerf are rifle users (any variant) and shotgun scouts. Lol. It's funny but a full proto rifle or shotgun can drop a Gallente proto sentinel in short time. Like less than 2 seconds. 3-4 shots from a proto shotgun, and and probably 1.5 seconds from the best rifles.

And the turn speed nerf? Lol. That's just plain stupid. Again, peeps who just want to solo everything their way and forget that hmg's and heavies rely on short distance engagements unless you're forging.

Don't you dare touch my commando.

Otherwise, fine.

they didnt buff it to much Lance we have to be able to hit vehicles like assault dropships when its time to forge.All vehicles move faster than infantry. Another reason why we need the speed

Your argument is flawed. I'm not talking about the heavies wielding light weapons, that's a different argument altogether. My argument is heavy HMG users, playing in CQC situation. THAT'S THEIR ROLE.

I used to respect your opinions, I might not have agreed with them, but this argument you have for a heavy HP + turn speed nerf because you can't kill them with 1 mag, is the dumbest thing I've heard you say yet.

You hear yourself? You want to kill a heavy with 1 magazine... yet you want to say you're not biased?

Medium suits will ALWAYS be the easiest mode in this game, hence you see more medium suits than any other. People play DUST to challenge themselves? This game is about stomping everyone as easy as possible, which is what you're implying in your posts.

I'm done here. Your ignorance on the whole matter is baffling, but your biased opinions are glaring.

No.

Heavies are supposed to be superior in direct combat.

Deal with it.

They already have Forge gunners. They aren't limited to CQC weaponry.

Good.

Pubs are full of stupid people who deserve to be melted. Do that.

lolno

The amount of times people would kill me while i'm full health with proto nades was stupid. I thought they were bugged, and even made a couple threads asking about it because proto nades was 1 shotting everything.

Hey guys, here's an idea, why don't we wait for the tweaks to medium suits before we all jump aboard the nerf train? what if they nerf heavy suits now, and then buff medium suits? all of a sudden, man... i sure wish we had more heavies to combat all these assault suits.

Also, lets not forget, more heavies = more forge guns. Or have we already forgotten what happened to all the logis? "Where are all the forge gunners?! these tanks are insane!"

Take a few steps back so you're out of their optimal. Or get behind partial cover. Than a heavy can't do anything to you, as more than 60% of his DPS is absorbed by the cover whether he aims perfectly or not.

If you're headbutting the heavy and expecting to live, you deserve to die. End of story.

That is not supposed to be a balanced engagement. You are not entitled to a fair fight in direct combat.

Deal with it.

Then he was a moron who couldn't aim and chance placed him in that situation, not intelligent thought.

Assaulting an objective with heavies in it . Assaults have gnades, mass driver, flux nades, shotguns, re's, tanks (open objectives) proto small missiles from assault dropships, Plasma cannon......

lol dude shut up

I run sentinel, min commando, assault, logi, and tank.


You might find it insane that I have no issue with any of these things. Probably because having access to everything gives one perspective as to its weaknesses and strengths.

Most people have access to only one or two things and do nothing but cry about everything they don't understand.

Cat should know better. It's a shame he doesn't.

Assaulting an objective with heavies in it . Assaults have gnades, mass driver, flux nades, shotguns, re's, tanks (open objectives) proto small missiles from assault dropships, Plasma cannon......

lol dude shut up

what a BS argument, heavies have grenades as well, heavies are resistant to explosives like MDs (and can also use them), heavies can use tanks as well, and assault dropships. on the subject of tanks, if something is OP, using something else OP to stop it doesn't make it less OP

Cat, you really don't have enough PC experience, especially high end, to have a relevant opinion on how heavies are in PC.

And if you wish to argue, feel free to share with me your experiences of heavies going 23/2 in PC over and over again consistently.

Keep your opinions to a pub level. :P

They have no real ability to use radar on their own, they have no ability to supply themselves, they have no ability to help the team with uplinks. They have to be babysat 24/7 in serious matches or they are worthless.

They can transition between objectives at a reasonable speed if they fit pure kincats, but it cripples their EHP levels and because they are incapable of strafing properly that means they will drop incredibly fast even with all of that HP as damage application against them is perfect.

They have one job, one job only, and that is direct combat superiority. Due to their crappy movement, this means a lot of point defense.

Just speaking from my own experience here:


Taking one down should be a chore, just like constantly turning around every 5 seconds to make sure a cloaked scout is not sneaking up on you is a chore (I have no complaints about scouts by the way.)



RE's - I usually run a standard Caldari Sentinel with two shield rechargers in a high slots, but even with two complex shield extenders I've never survived a remote explosive. Does anyone know how many extenders are needed to tank an RE?

Shotguns - How many heavies have you come across that can tank 5 shotgun rounds at optimum range? I have CalSent skilled to 5 for 15% resistance to shotguns and I still go down in 3 rounds.

Nova Knives - I don't understand why you're laughing. From first hand experience, I know a Minmatar scout with charged NK's can one shot my suit. Other suits can finish me off with a regular slash.





What are you using? If I'm not careful, I get eaten by ADV CR's while waddling across the street.

At 30 meters, the TTK of a HMG is around 2 seconds against most medium suits. Slowdown effect notwithstanding, this is more than enough time to get back in cover and reposition. I ran dual Magsecs (skilled only to Operations 1) during the sidearm event and with 2 enhanced damage mods I was able to take down most heavies without having to reload or swap.

I do agree the slowdown effect should be removed; if a player is fast enough to react to being shot he should have the opportunity to get to cover.



The HMG Sentinel's durability and close-in DPS are requisite to its purpose as a short range brawler. It's literally the only thing it's good at.

If a nerf is necessary for the heavy, reduce its sprint speed. This will narrow the useful envelope of the suit without harming what it's supposed to be good at while it's in that envelope.

And if an HP nerf really is necessary, I suggest that it be done on a per race basis instead of a flat % across the board. Also, perhaps a reduction in HP of non-primary tank coupled with a smaller HP gain in primary tank (example: +100 to shields and - 200 to armor for the Caldari Sentinel) would help make using -- and fighting -- the different racial suits more interesting.

I cant stand people like you that say it should take 5 or 6 guys to take down a tank with AV yet you feel you should be able to one mag solo a heavy in a closed objective thats standing in rep hives and has a logi on his back solo.

idiots

You love to look at unfit suit stats when making comparisons.

You will have terrible endurance compared to an assault, and you will be out of breath in no time. Then add three complex plates on top of that single kincat. Yea, you're gonna keep up with the rest of the squad? Good luck with that.

50% of your threads are anti-heavy. We are perfectly balanced, I know it takes skill to kill us. You are used to rolling over them like they nothing. stop the QQ

They removed the turn speed limiter on the Heavy suit so it could turn at the same speed as every other suit. One major reason was scouts and logis with kin cats (extremely popular at the time) could literally out strafe our turn speed with an HMG equipped. Needless to say it caused a great deal of frustration.

Weapon turn speeds, however, was never changed, with the HMG still having the slowest turn speed out of any gun in the game.

Also cat merc, back then if we had half our shields down a single grenade was death. Full shields, aye we could survive, but not the 4 AR bullets that immediately followed.

I really hope Ydubbs doesn't actually field you in battles.

[quote=Himiko Kuronaga]I really hope Ydubbs doesn't actually field you in battles.[/quote\

Played some Amarr FW with a Ar nd squad yesterday and he wasnt in it and we won all the matches and thankfully this nub wasnt there. I really stand this guy typing all day and pumping up his like with his alts

The amout of bull **** that say is overwhelming. *plugs nose*

You don't mix plates and kincats.


But thank you for reminding me of another important issue. We really need a record of fittings lost during fights so I know who to eject.

That's because you're a publord.

I've heard people talk about Lance tearing up the field. Of Alldin and Reg tearing up the field. Of Funkmaster tearing up the field. Of Tiberius ripping peoples heads off.


You know, I haven't heard the bards sing tales of Cat Merc The Whiny yet. I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

So if your team is getting tank stomped in Ambush and you need to run away so you can drop uplinks in a safe location it trumps the cloaked scout?

So if your squad is assaulting an objective and you need to relay enemy positions to them it trumps the Gal Logi or Cal Scout?

So if you or your team are in need of ammo and a supply depot is nowhere to be found it trumps any other suit that actually has an equipment slot?

Was i the only one that mentioned the removal of the sloth effect would possibly solve all issues related to the Heavy suit and HMG?