The reality is that the game won't be balanced as long as it takes a tank less time to kill me than for me to kill it, even if I spec specifically into the role of killing tanks. There shouldn't be anywhere vehicles "easily murder" other players. That's the thing. Vehicles don't have anywhere near the challenges that infantry face.

The reason this topic has gotten to a more general sense is this: In a game where vehicles are already the most protected, difficult to destroy assets on the field, what in the world is someone doing asking for a nerf for the single vulnerability that vehicles actually have? Every dedicated vehicle user should take a month off and play infantry. Very few of them will survive the month. It's agonizingly painful being mowed down by vehicles in every other match and having almost nothing you can do about it.

I can't fly a dropship even well enough to jihad it into an ADS, but if I could, I would. Because I have almost no other options. With Proficiency 4 into forge guns, I only get a kill when the ADS is being really really dumb. Because they have way too much opportunity to get away. And it's ridiculous that I have to die several times a match to an ADS, and dropship pilots believe that only dying once every three to five matches is balanced.

My favorite thing to do when there is a tank is go somewhere the tank isn't.

Sure. But the tank runs faster than you do, and sometimes there's nowhere to hide. It's crazy that I can spawn somewhere, and instadie to something I can't even damage.

And so, I avoid the tank's attention... no need to run from someone who doesn't know you're there.

Finn your a new pilot right? MSG me in game. I will MSG you the next time I am on. We can squad up and go over a few training drills I do as an ADS pilot.

no but you can bump ships out of alignment preventing them from warping, while your buddies blow him up

collision in eve has consequences as should collisions in dust.

I still haven't heard an actual reason from the OPQQer why it needs removal.

TELL US WHY VEHICLE COLLISION SHOULD BE REMOVED...

bump out of alignment doesn't equal complete and utter destruction. Try again.

When you say "this is Dust" are you implying "this is not EVE so we don't need all the same things?"

when you cant warp and you have a bunch of ships now scraming, webbing and shooting you....yeah... that bump equaled complete and utter destruction....1/2 out of 10 for troll... you're slippin'

Jihad jeeps can be done away with as soon as all hardeners and reppers are done away with as well.

Jihad jeeps are the sort of creative gameplay CCP wants. Learn to deal with them, they're here to stay.

Actually, they weren't intended... don't put words into their mouths.

And Soraya Xel didn't say they were intended, only that CCP wants creative gameplay

Exactly the point. CCP didn't intend jihad jeeps. But CCP did intend to create a game where players can invent their own tactics and strategies. And jihad jeeps embody the very soul of the game that CCP has told us they want to create. A sandbox.

Maybe they did though, intend to make jihad jeeps. If a bunch of kids (not saying you're all kids, but c'mon...) can think to use a fast vehicle as a murder device why couldn't CCP?

They didn't intend murder taxi's, so I find it highly doubtful that Jihad Jeeps were at all intended. They did state that Jihad's were unintended anyway...

Link?

I don't like it, just to be clear. I think many of the tactics that are embraced in EVE are horrible and make me not want to be associated with EVE Online, its multitude of nerds playing point and click in Spaaace nor the founders of Gankers R Us aka CCP.

As far as Dust goes it is worse, frankly. Because CCP/Shanghai has added some lame solution for nearly every release since 1.0, definitely since 1.4 onward. The first patches were just to get the game so it was marginally playable.

They finally determined that Murder Taxi by Team members was a bad idea and fixed that. Fine.
But the left the horrible OP LLAV as Murder Taxi by Red team members. Not fine.
The fixed some of the very broken physics related to vehicle vs clone ramming, finally.

Now where are we?
Still playing a broken game, but is has Invisi-Scouts with shotguns now. Whee! And jihad Jeeps because there was no other reason to let REs be attached to anything but the ground. Except for blowing up tanks, but to stick them to the Jihad Jeeps was only done because CCP/Shanghai support Murder Taxis so they must exist. As evident by the fact that there has been some form of it every since 1.0 was dropped.

What "This is Dust" means is you are hosed. Too bad. CCP/Shanghai only has one place to look to leadership and those guys releases video about HTFU while laughing when they cash the checks for those that just got ganked. Again (both checks and ganked).

What would you expect to happen when the people that sign their checks has that mind set?

Read my posts, this is a broken game. MMO that isn't. RPG that routinely rips character skill trees apart while not refunding SP or ISK even though the reason for spending either was just negated. FPS that has weapons that do not fire, target or can consistently hit targets. Wow, who would have thought that was a requirement? Not me that is for certain. But it must have been because Dust is still doing it nearly a year later!

Now we get to game play. Which has been fundamentally broken since Uprising 1.0, it just hasn't gotten better because they don't care ... or they don't realize that any FPS that works can fire their weapon and hit a target. Not to mention that the next day one might hope that the ISK/SP/AUR/LP that was spent wasn't hot fixed at UTC 11:00.


Welcome to Dust, somethings will never change. Those that do ... you will regret.

I blow up tanks, sometimes 3-4 in a match just by placing REs on tanks, glad to see they still stick to things other than the ground. Heck two days ago I blew up a Dropship the same way. Considering your displeasure with the FG not firing all the time would think this use of REs would please you. They are working as intended.

Fanfest is sure to have some interesting changes thrown at us, this game is more about adapting to a changing battlefield than learning one way to do things. Get smart, get S-Mart and really come on, CCP may not care but I would bet money on them wanting success out of a product that they have spent years working on.