I think if militia dropships can't ram advanced dropships successfully than militia shotguns shouldn't work on my proto heavy suit. It's just unfair that a cheaper weapon can kill me. How dare they. (And note, it really isn't any more or less effective than a proto shotgun. I'm dead either way, to be honest.)

My response is merely metered on the ridiculous claim that using collision as a tactic is somehow an "exploit" because it's one of the few ways to kill a vehicle with any modicum of success.

Dude, I've got 38 million skill points invested in infantry suits. If I run proto, I'm spending half as much as an ADS on one suit. And I guarantee you I'm more than twice as likely to lose my suit as your ADS. There's all sorts of completely bullkitten ways to die in DUST. You shouldn't be immune to that in the air either. This is an FPS. You should go into EVERY match, expecting to die. If you aren't losing your ADS every match, it's probably because you're overpowered.

There's a huge veteran/newbie disparity that is hurting the game. For an ADS pilot to go forth and cry that his skillpoints should make him immune to newbies is downright crazy.

Temias: I haven't seen a vehicle die to swarms since 1.6. Forge guns are functional now though. If you have Proficiency 4 in them or what have you anyways.

Cheap tactics, like it or not, belong in the game. I actually don't think dropships should dogfight, as we should have fighters for that. And that is coming at some point. Dropships should be flying bricks that are bad at aerial combat, but ramming is a good option for them if they need it.

It shouldn't require any more skill to kill a pilot than it requires to kill my dropsuit. Fact.

Cheap tactics are an integral part of the game. Unless you'd like to remove remote explosives, grenades, cloaks, forge guns, mass drivers, sniper rifles, and um... ADSes and tanks.

The idea that a proto heavy suit is more durable than a dropship is hilarious and ridiculous. It takes me... one shot to kill a heavy suit with my forge gun. Any heavy suit, by the way. No dropship dies in less than three. No dropship requires more than ONE shot before they're out of range to go heal back up. The ONLY time it's even possible to kill an ADS is when the ADS pilot isn't watching their health bar, and sticks around longer than they should've. If you're dying in an ADS, you should be reevaluating your playstyle. It takes like three seconds to outrange any AV weapon in the game.

Shotguns (with cloaks), sniper rifles, forge guns. Also tanks and ADSes, which you can rarely run from, and will definitely one-shot you. So... no, not like any suit.



My AV fit runs as much as 250,000 ISK a suit, and I lose four or five of them trying to kill one ADS. Please, shelve this complaint, it's really sad.



You should be dying at least once a game. This is a first-person shooter. There should not be someone who is nearly impossible to kill in any given game. This idea is downright ludicrous.

The reality is that the game won't be balanced as long as it takes a tank less time to kill me than for me to kill it, even if I spec specifically into the role of killing tanks. There shouldn't be anywhere vehicles "easily murder" other players. That's the thing. Vehicles don't have anywhere near the challenges that infantry face.

The reason this topic has gotten to a more general sense is this: In a game where vehicles are already the most protected, difficult to destroy assets on the field, what in the world is someone doing asking for a nerf for the single vulnerability that vehicles actually have? Every dedicated vehicle user should take a month off and play infantry. Very few of them will survive the month. It's agonizingly painful being mowed down by vehicles in every other match and having almost nothing you can do about it.

I can't fly a dropship even well enough to jihad it into an ADS, but if I could, I would. Because I have almost no other options. With Proficiency 4 into forge guns, I only get a kill when the ADS is being really really dumb. Because they have way too much opportunity to get away. And it's ridiculous that I have to die several times a match to an ADS, and dropship pilots believe that only dying once every three to five matches is balanced.

Jihad jeeps can be done away with as soon as all hardeners and reppers are done away with as well.

Jihad jeeps are the sort of creative gameplay CCP wants. Learn to deal with them, they're here to stay.

Maybe they did though, intend to make jihad jeeps. If a bunch of kids (not saying you're all kids, but c'mon...) can think to use a fast vehicle as a murder device why couldn't CCP?

Link?