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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:59:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I think if militia dropships can't ram advanced dropships successfully than militia shotguns shouldn't work on my proto heavy suit. It's just unfair that a cheaper weapon can kill me. How dare they. (And note, it really isn't any more or less effective than a proto shotgun. I'm dead either way, to be honest.)
I can agree with the sentiment...... but when it comes to ramming vehicles...... well it just strikes me as lazy gameplay.
In EVE, oh god not EVE again....., yes smaller vessels can beat down large vessels, but if a frigate could suicide into a Battleship and destroy that asset easily...... would you see any other kind of gameplay? No, because its cheaper to pick up a frigate than the ammo to fit a turret on a similarly sized ship.....
Now consider Dust. Free vehicles, Remotes, etc. Cheaper than a basic turret......
My simple question is how is this good gameplay? Answer is it is not. I personally am for collision mechanics, I feel ramming should be a thing.
However in the case of dropships I would support the bumping mechanics. Consider it the inertia units of the machines reacting instantly and pushing your vessel away from an encroaching one, however a set amount of damage is done to the vehicle.
I am a proponent/ all for the putting of power and utility back into AV, and IMO from and immersion standpoint, feel that's where ANTI Vehicle content should lie.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 02:47:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Dropships are roughly the same mass. Whether specced out with the best gear or not, they should be destructible by each other in collision, regardless of fitting. Meanwhile, with your frigate-to-battleship mechanic, I'd agree a dropship should not kill an MCC on collision.
Bear in mind, that a 1 mil ISK badly fit frigate CAN kill a 20 mil ISK frigate. The battleship/frigate example, to be blunt, was dumb. ;)
Air is big, dropship pilots should be mindful of things around them. If they can't adequately do that, I'd rather give them more tools to detect incoming threats, rather than take away suicide ships and jihad jeeps and the like. These are the sorts of tools that allow newbies to strike at veterans even without that massive pile of skill points.
True but I cannot fit tracking disruption, and a Microwarp Drive, and fly at 3 km per Second into the side of an Apocalpyse to insta gib it.....can I?
No.
I can appreciate that having some sort of physical reaction is a must..... but I...simply put find this to be an exploit that players either not competent in vehicles or AV can exploit to ruin the game play of those who are.....
If tanks massacring infantry ruins gameplay for infantry players is unacceptable, how is it acceptable to allow someone to simple fly/drive into my much better fit vehicle for an instant kill?
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 03:23:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:True Adamance wrote:I can appreciate that having some sort of physical reaction is a must..... but I...simply put find this to be an exploit that players either not competent in vehicles or AV can exploit to ruin the game play of those who are..... As current balance makes all vehicle use practically an exploit, you should really enjoy what you have before you get nerfed further. ;)
I am not asking this because I want to be more powerful. Hell I have been starting thread on discussion HAV vulnerability on and off for months now.... I want to feel vulnerable again..... but this is not the right kind of vulnerable.
Please don't lump me in with the crowd that actually suggests vehicle balance as it is now is fine. But using one unintentional mechanic to counter other unintentional mechanics is not something that promotes positive balance.
You are showing a particular bias that suggests to me you aren't looking at this mechanic objectively.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.04.25 09:53:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:when you cant warp and you have a bunch of ships now scraming, webbing and shooting you....yeah... that bump equaled complete and utter destruction....1/2 out of 10 for troll... you're slippin' 
Welp when I see an LAV bump me out of alignment for your AV to then follow up and destroy....then you might have a point....until then you are comparing two very different mechanics and twisting them to fit an agenda......
That's even worse of a troll.
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