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General John Ripper 20070	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:22:00 - [1] - Quote I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 757	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:26:00 - [2] - Quote Never been in PC ever. I've pretty much been lone-wolfing it for the year+ I've been playing Dust. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 493	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:28:00 - [3] - Quote I'm not sure how many I've played but if I had to guess 5 is about right. My corp pulled out of PC pretty early when it became clear ringing was the name of the game, only to dive back in when we initiated the FEC war. But after that fell through we become more dedicated to FW and now that's fallen through, too, due to ship-side politics. So, seems like I'm stuck in pubs forever unless someone wants me to ring for some reason. Omnia mutantur nihil interit FW lvl10 reward
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 187	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:28:00 - [4] - Quote I'm not an active PC player, but i've been in more than 5 games
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1940	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:29:00 - [5] - Quote i fall into the more then 5 catagory (alot more then 5) I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 404	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:30:00 - [6] - Quote I play PCs whenever the timers suit me, used to wake up in the middle of the night for PCs but it then struck me: this is just a game after all. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
Vulpes Dolosus Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1394	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:30:00 - [7] - Quote I've played more than 5 but I don't do so regularly. Mainly due to my roles (logistics and vehicleers market is very saturated), my IRL stuff (stupid schooling), and my general disinterest in PC (I don't get much from it, I make more/lose less money in pubs and I can't really merc myself because I'm not well known despite adequately skilled, at least for what I'm charging (only loss reimbursement, call me :) )). Me in my ADS: 1,2
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 726	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:30:00 - [8] - Quote played 5. maybe 6 boring lag matches with whiny little girls for squad leaders saying no dont do that listen to me and only me im squad leader! well to be fair only half were like that the other 3 were okay Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 771	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:33:00 - [9] - Quote Zero. DUST's "competitive side" is not worth my time.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 281	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:33:00 - [10] - Quote I don't think I've broken 5 personally yet. I've only been lightly interested in the potential for actually building stuff but that has yet to materialize. I don't really consider it a 'completive' experience. Corp battles were good, but PC is more for RTS fansGÇª The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.

Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1036	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:39:00 - [11] - Quote Never played PC. Up until 1.7 I was playing FW exclusively (4 months of FW only), but the loyalty store and inability for the Amarr to win a match has broken FW. So now it's just pubs. Knowledge is power
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 265	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:42:00 - [12] - Quote I've probably played about four PC matches in total. It's not that I haven't been able to join, rather a choice cause it's just a severely broken feature and you really can't do anything with your district other than harvest it for isk which I don't need. besides, proto suits and guns are boring. More of a challenge using basic and advanced. Noobasaures: "Rawr" STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle. Owner of a "Insta Bacon Machine" called STINGY
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 404	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:42:00 - [13] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: played 5. maybe 6 boring lag matches with whiny little girls for squad leaders saying no dont do that listen to me and only me im squad leader! well to be fair only half were like that the other 3 were okay Wait wait wait... You don't listen to your leaders? o.O Well, there's your problem. Whenever I'm missing tank leadership in PC it's either very close call or it all goes to hell, but when we have that leadership, it all goes smooth. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1598	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:42:00 - [14] - Quote I've only participated in one match and it was towards the launch of Uprising. I may decide to give it another try come summer... that is, if not all of the districts are locked and PC becomes stagnant. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 566	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:44:00 - [15] - Quote I played a few before the days of DNS and there locking habits closed beta Vet "The mashed up corpses of red Berrys make for great track lube"
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 404	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:44:00 - [16] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: I don't think I've broken 5 personally yet. I've only been lightly interested in the potential for actually building stuff but that has yet to materialize. I don't really consider it a 'completive' experience. Corp battles were good, but PC is more for RTS fansGÇª Teamwork = RTS? Care to explain? Or are you one of those every man for himself CoD players? R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 99	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:47:00 - [17] - Quote More than like alot havent even touched a PC battle like me....although i do want to be in one to see what its like -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:49:00 - [18] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: I played a few before the days of DNS and there locking habits uhhhh, DNS had nothing to do with locking. The corps were in previous alliances before doing so.. so yeah......... They did lock before joining DNS, I'll give you that.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 281	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:52:00 - [19] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Denn Maell wrote: I don't think I've broken 5 personally yet. I've only been lightly interested in the potential for actually building stuff but that has yet to materialize. I don't really consider it a 'completive' experience. Corp battles were good, but PC is more for RTS fansGÇª Teamwork = RTS? Care to explain? Or are you one of those every man for himself CoD players? No, maybe RTS isn't exactly the right term. Its more like Risk (or I thought it should be) where you move pieces around the board and strategically plan out coordinated offensives with other player corps. I liked old school corp battles, and Merc Contracts. But now you have to invade to take a square or nothingGÇªI don't know it seems like its less about skill of individual players perse and more about a team's ability to bleed an enemy before the MCC goes out. Which can be cool at times. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 404	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:57:00 - [20] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Denn Maell wrote: I don't think I've broken 5 personally yet. I've only been lightly interested in the potential for actually building stuff but that has yet to materialize. I don't really consider it a 'completive' experience. Corp battles were good, but PC is more for RTS fansGÇª Teamwork = RTS? Care to explain? Or are you one of those every man for himself CoD players? No, maybe RTS isn't exactly the right term. Its more like Risk (or I thought it should be) where you move pieces around the board and strategically plan out coordinated offensives with other player corps. I liked old school corp battles, and Merc Contracts. But now you have to invade to take a square or nothingGÇªI don't know it seems like its less about skill of individual players perse and more about a team's ability to bleed an enemy before the MCC goes out. Which can be cool at times. I do admit the matches themselves are just skirmish matches with more skilled people and payout only for the winner. And maybe there is a little bit of Risk in moving those clones around, but only very tiny little bit. Anyway, the way I see it, corporations fighting against each other should never come down to any indivitual soldiers ability, but more to the ability of the leaders. That's just how I see it. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.

HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4576	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:06:00 - [21] - Quote This makes me sad for this game. So many of you are missing out on the most competitive side of dust. Yes there are a lot of problems with PC at the moment, but if you ask anyone who has played with a full 16 of friends/corpmates and had to work together to win a match their is no better dust experience. Squads working together are fun but a whole group of 16 calling out locations renfrcing each other at the different points, coordinating tank movements with drop ship pilots while attainting high ground. Keeping a close eye on the MCC ticks watching the clone count dwindle into unsafe numbers for a battle to be decided by one tick on the MCC by either side, not knowing who won until that victory screen comes up! If any of you have not made a serious effort to get involved in these competitive battles you are really missing out on a great side of dust. As soon as the blue donut comes to an end I'm pretty sure their will be places were equal corps can battler against each other. Spend this time building your core team and make some alliances with other corps you find along the way. Your time is coming
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 281	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:06:00 - [22] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Denn Maell wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Denn Maell wrote: I don't think I've broken 5 personally yet. I've only been lightly interested in the potential for actually building stuff but that has yet to materialize. I don't really consider it a 'completive' experience. Corp battles were good, but PC is more for RTS fansGÇª Teamwork = RTS? Care to explain? Or are you one of those every man for himself CoD players? No, maybe RTS isn't exactly the right term. Its more like Risk (or I thought it should be) where you move pieces around the board and strategically plan out coordinated offensives with other player corps. I liked old school corp battles, and Merc Contracts. But now you have to invade to take a square or nothingGÇªI don't know it seems like its less about skill of individual players perse and more about a team's ability to bleed an enemy before the MCC goes out. Which can be cool at times. I do admit the matches themselves are just skirmish matches with more skilled people and payout only for the winner. And maybe there is a little bit of Risk in moving those clones around, but only very tiny little bit. Anyway, the way I see it, corporations fighting against each other should never come down to any indivitual soldiers ability, but more to the ability of the leaders. That's just how I see it. That's fair enough, and was a great aspect of being able to fight on a team comprised of only your buddies with Mics. It was good, but the overall leadership mechanics in place make it a truly daunting task and armor tanking and semi-coordinated zerg rushes can overwhelm many opponents and cause the squads to break down. Maybe I'm just frustrated because I feel it could be more but isn't? The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
General John Ripper 20071	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:07:00 - [23] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: This makes me sad for this game. So many of you are missing out on the most competitive side of dust. Yes there are a lot of problems with PC at the moment, but if you ask anyone who has played with a full 16 of friends/corpmates and had to work together to win a match their is no better dust experience. Squads working together are fun but a whole group of 16 calling out locations renfrcing each other at the different points, coordinating tank movements with drop ship pilots while attainting high ground. Keeping a close eye on the MCC ticks watching the clone count dwindle into unsafe numbers for a battle to be decided by one tick on the MCC by either side, not knowing who won until that victory screen comes up! If any of you have not made a serious effort to get involved in these competitive battles you are really missing out on a great side of dust. As soon as the blue donut comes to an end I'm pretty sure their will be places were equal corps can battler against each other. Spend this time building your core team and make some alliances with other corps you find along the way. Your time is coming +1 agreed. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12792	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:25:00 - [24] - Quote Calling PC 'competitive' is like calling a leotard 'high fashion' Just saying. My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 626	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:33:00 - [25] - Quote 5 PC matches total for me, 2 with bunnies, 3 as a ringer. Then a couple corp battles and tournament matches back in Closed beta. #SaveTheBreach
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4578	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:35:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Calling PC 'competitive' is like calling a leotard 'high fashion' Just saying. Seems legit http://www.closet-*****.com/shop/clothes/high-fashion-leotard/
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 2020	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:43:00 - [27] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Calling PC 'competitive' is like calling a leotard 'high fashion' Just saying. I suppose so last 5 PC's I was in... 1-3 No shows 4th WTF didn't have the tanks gave up after 4 min 5th Finally get in one where they are going to fight... DC 10 seconds in, We win I am at least happy I will get in the Re-up... KEQ glitches to prevent re-up. ISK Donuts are delicious Q_Q Moar
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1148	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:45:00 - [28] - Quote Never played PC. Want to though. Specialize in Mass Drivers and Fluxes Ima force-a-nature I play TF2 and Warframe with a KB/Mousepad
Jadek Menaheim Ancient Textiles. 2732	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:49:00 - [29] - Quote I have played it both competitively and simply to troll planet fight club with One sided BPO battles. Yes more than 5 notches on my belt. Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1026	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:56:00 - [30] - Quote I've played very few. Unless you play on the right timer or got the privilege of time (no career or family), it's pretty tough to get into PC. I do play enough though to accrue 30 mil SP since release. I wish there was more opportunity to compete - not just 1-2 games a day per average corp. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1026	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:58:00 - [31] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: This makes me sad for this game. So many of you are missing out on the most competitive side of dust. Yes there are a lot of problems with PC at the moment, but if you ask anyone who has played with a full 16 of friends/corpmates and had to work together to win a match their is no better dust experience. Squads working together are fun but a whole group of 16 calling out locations renfrcing each other at the different points, coordinating tank movements with drop ship pilots while attainting high ground. Keeping a close eye on the MCC ticks watching the clone count dwindle into unsafe numbers for a battle to be decided by one tick on the MCC by either side, not knowing who won until that victory screen comes up! If any of you have not made a serious effort to get involved in these competitive battles you are really missing out on a great side of dust. As soon as the blue donut comes to an end I'm pretty sure their will be places were equal corps can battler against each other. Spend this time building your core team and make some alliances with other corps you find along the way. Your time is coming Are not YOU guys the glue that holds the blue donut? The donut glaze? PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Lucrezia LeGrand Sentinels of NEW EDEN 481	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:02:00 - [32] - Quote I was going to be in a PC battle. My ceo convinced me it was going to be awesome and whatever. So I donated about 40 million so we could start. We were supposed to plan a day when the whole corp could participate but he just used it as fast as he could. The battle took place while I was in class and he was the only one who participated because he didn't tell anyone the date. I never got my isk back. I quit the corp. And I never bothered to try PC again. Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man). My other car is Utena.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1532	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:30:00 - [33] - Quote I did maybe three matches under BurgezzETF's banner when PC first launched, until I switched corporations. I've been invited as a ringer a couple times, bu I'm not really an active PC participant. Not that I'd want to be anyway. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Apr. 1st
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries Dropsuit Samurai 62	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:33:00 - [34] - Quote Same as many here. Never been in one. Was planning on it. But with the blue donut, I better just wait til PC 2.0. Because this version is just a waste of ISK and time to try to get into.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 1121	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:37:00 - [35] - Quote I've played many many more than 5 but I stopped because losing protos over and over to a completely unplayably laggy mode made me stop playing it. Otherwise is great, you get a real good feeling after winning, but the ******* lag makes it completely unenjoyable for everyone. Most of nyain still does it though, the japanese are masochists I guess. Your post is making me facepalm very hard right now.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1405	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:38:00 - [36] - Quote It is funny that you are calling PC Dust's competitive side when it has been so broken since release that it has been anything but competitive. Fun > Realism
Loki Patera xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 109	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:55:00 - [37] - Quote Played one :-( Open Beta vet - in it for the long haul
Frost Kitty Fatal Absolution 102	Posted - 2014.04.16 07:08:00 - [38] - Quote Active. I've played a lot. :3 Right Meow!
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 0	Posted - 2014.04.16 07:25:00 - [39] - Quote I have never played it and will not play it so long as it remains nothing more than an epeen feature. Make it connect with EVE PI in a serious way and cut out the epeen, leaderboard bragging rights aspect then I'll play it. Maybe. I don't think I'll be able to take this game that seriously for a long time if ever. It's just getting more laughable. Lol, "competitive". Lol, the ban hammer got me!
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1618	Posted - 2014.04.16 07:48:00 - [40] - Quote Played more than 5 It's truly heartbreaking seeing so many miss out, I won't add much more to this since Taste already nailed it with his post. Yes PC can be very frustrating often times, but nothing beats deploying with 16 other players where you recognize each and every one of them by voice all fighting together against equally amazing players, I fight nothing but the best this game has to offer and it is truly an amazing experience. I can't stand Pub games they're too monotonous; redline this, redline that. PC is what keeps me playing Dust. Train yourself mentally and physically, spend your SP well and specialize, join a good corporation. I promise your perception of Dust will drastically change. The Sinwarden

Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 284	Posted - 2014.04.16 07:51:00 - [41] - Quote I stick purely to pubs and FW. PC strikes me as very reminiscent of large fleet ops in EvE, where it is not uncommon for your FC to be screaming at you through his mic because you didn't switch to the new primary target immediately. Frankly, I couldn't give a damn about that side of the competitive game thanks to the prevalence of that kind of attitude. I play to unwind, no more, no less. Still, I'll look at PC2.0 and if my corp takes a shining to it I'll lend them my efforts. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 783	Posted - 2014.04.16 08:35:00 - [42] - Quote Played only 1 as ringer, which we lost horribly. Considering that i'm the only active member of my corp ATM, in addition to me being in South Asia and no mic, I haven't played any other match Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Retarn Dominus H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Lokun Listamenn 53	Posted - 2014.04.16 08:55:00 - [43] - Quote Once when i was a faithful Logi Bro for Knights of the Round. It was chaos but i ended up 2nd on the tables. After that i thought its best for me to get better skills before delving into that again. Now i'm a dirty scumbag scout and almost PC ready What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 68	Posted - 2014.04.16 08:56:00 - [44] - Quote Nearly played a match as a ringer once but got kicked before it started because I hadn't played one before.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3468	Posted - 2014.04.16 08:57:00 - [45] - Quote It's in the hundreds for me at this point. Would be nice if there was a stat to be tracked.
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1926	Posted - 2014.04.16 09:00:00 - [46] - Quote One. Pretty sure I'll never do that again. 1.9 forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. I'm right, you're wrong. Adjust.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1211	Posted - 2014.04.16 09:14:00 - [47] - Quote Played over 100 PC matches. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Lordsmash Dead Man's Game 21	Posted - 2014.04.16 09:59:00 - [48] - Quote Never played PC. I'm too scared of messing up horribly. EDIT: I also don't think I would be of much use.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2962	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:02:00 - [49] - Quote A poll would have been easier. Personally I think I've been in maybe a total of 10-15, for at least 7 different corps. Of which at least 10 of those matches have had such a low frame rate that it was impossible for me to even play the game properly. Only 1 did I ever play that didn't have any sort of lag/frame rate issue whatsoever at least 5 have been where the enemy team was exploting a glitch at least 3 had practically the entire team using the same fittings or weapons And 2 of them...right when PC was first released...were the most strategic, organized, frantic, amazing matches I've ever played in Dust. It's sad that the game mode is so broken that in order to prevent lag you have to turn off all comms or use an outside communication method. It's also sad that most players would rather exploit, cheat, use FOTMs, and spam equipment, rather than play strategically. Maybe I've never played an "elite" PC match where both teams are using the exact same unfair cheap tactics and it all comes down to who can be the cheapest, and who can spam the most...but to me, PC will and always will be a great idea, but a completely broken game mode. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Horizen Kenpachi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 324	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:12:00 - [50] - Quote A random ask me to play one so knowing he wasnt gonna pay me i used a llav to distract the enimies they all pulled av while i trolled them I was the only one not in the redline it was a crappy lag fest i leave pc for those sad people with no real life ambition while i just have fun in pubs dns can waste their time coz in ten years it wont matter Hit me with your nerf bat.

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2658	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:20:00 - [51] - Quote None for me. Prior to it being (totally) broken my work schedule did not exactly jibe with the whole timer concept. Could never make it the few times I got asked by various alliance people. Closest I get is FW. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1021	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:22:00 - [52] - Quote Grand total of six games in PC before old corp was disbanded, miss those days "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro -2176440-
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2344	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:34:00 - [53] - Quote I played a few and there wasn't a job for me to do, PC is just as boring as being in a group of solo new players and getting rolled by a Q-synced proto squad. Bring ULs and the most OP weapon on the most OP suit or GTFO. Not fun to me, there was no meta because there was only the most OP setup or don't play. It may have changed by now but I have no interest in doing it, next month will be a year since I played a PC and I don't see me getting into it because it is not any fun to me. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3376	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:40:00 - [54] - Quote No point in saying active now tbh, if your not in DNS or WTF you aint playing PC anyways Used to be active in the good ol days
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1999	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:27:00 - [55] - Quote When I first joined R*S, we would play more than 5 a day. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Sarcastic Dreamkiller BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 94	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:35:00 - [56] - Quote None so far, but I will be soon.
howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 889	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:37:00 - [57] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I have played two planetary conquest matches...ever. And this was very early in the system's release. There, you have my data for your inquiry. Now, 1) what makes you believe that PC is "DUST's competitive side"? That's a silly thing to call a broken system of handing in game currency at economy crushing rates to player groups that have enough coordination to lock up the broken system. So of by " competive side " you mean DUST's game mode that is broken and easily leveraged by corporations who want to further break the game, yah - I have not played that much.
Cpl Foster USMC Sniper Research Lab 714	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:42:00 - [58] - Quote I've only played 3 PC matches if you're still counting. I've been here since May 2013. But, it's my own fault for not staying in any corp long enough. Kills-10,000....Forum Bans-2....next up, 1000 Likes
Mike De Luca Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:44:00 - [59] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Never been in PC ever. I've pretty much been lone-wolfing it for the year+ I've been playing Dust. I'm hardcore like that. ^^^^^ this, but only for 3 months or so
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 431	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:47:00 - [60] - Quote was interested in it about a year ago but the participants were toxic and i did not enjoy their company u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189

howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 889	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:48:00 - [61] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: This makes me sad for this game. So many of you are missing out on the most competitive side of dust. Yes there are a lot of problems with PC at the moment, but if you ask anyone who has played with a full 16 of friends/corpmates and had to work together to win a match their is no better dust experience. Squads working together are fun but a whole group of 16 calling out locations renfrcing each other at the different points, coordinating tank movements with drop ship pilots while attainting high ground. Keeping a close eye on the MCC ticks watching the clone count dwindle into unsafe numbers for a battle to be decided by one tick on the MCC by either side, not knowing who won until that victory screen comes up! If any of you have not made a serious effort to get involved in these competitive battles you are really missing out on a great side of dust. As soon as the blue donut comes to an end I'm pretty sure their will be places were equal corps can battler against each other. Spend this time building your core team and make some alliances with other corps you find along the way. Your time is coming +1 agreed. Both of you have been around dust long enough to appreciate the frustrations most of the p,ayerbase has with the broken parts of the game. What comes through in your posts is the sense of hope and accomplishment involved in a good competition between two hard charging teams. I just don't think that PC delivers on that competitive potential. Do you? I believe that PC, as currently implemented, keeps players away, prevents participation and is wracked by broken mechanics and poorly implemented processes. So, John, did this thread answer your question in the op? What are your interpretations of the collective responses. How do you two think things should change, if at all, to get more players involved in PC?
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 432	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:55:00 - [62] - Quote the whole thing just has this cheesey boys club vibe to me. some so called top PC players ripped on me because i said in their chat that i drove a LLAV then when i told them to F themselves they said i do not talk to community elders like that. i LOL'ed because i had been here longer than them. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
The Attorney General 2574	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:57:00 - [63] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: I just don't think that PC delivers on that competitive potential. Do you? I believe that PC, as currently implemented, keeps players away, prevents participation and is wracked by broken mechanics and poorly implemented processes. Honestly, I can't stand pubs. If I could only PC to cap out, I would only ever play FW for uplinks. PC is the only reason why I even play this game. I honestly don't understand how people can have fun in this game playing pubs. They are boring, repetitive, and largely uncompetitive if you bring a decent squad. I think the reason why so many people are not involved in PC is because this is a free to play game, and a large portion of the people who are still playing are horrible. When they have to face off against the tiny minority of people who have actual competitive urges, they get rolled. Just blame CCP for taking so long to fix the competitive side that the people who could have made it a vibrant scene all left. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 844	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:00:00 - [64] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. Me. Three or four games before we got steamrolled by a big corp with lots of ringers and guys with over 20M SP (when most of us had less than 7M). We have a small corp. We don't have enough time, ISK or people to sustain a long campaign. Munch Minmatar Patriot (Level 7) Dedicated Sniper
Terram Nenokal Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 341	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:02:00 - [65] - Quote I've been in a few PC matches, maybe 50 or so. Loving to hate and hating to love Dust 514 since May 2012
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2347	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:09:00 - [66] - Quote and DNS wonders why they gte no competition i've only been in 30-40 myself, it might sound like alot but compared to AE's high hundreds. it's not much really.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3642	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:13:00 - [67] - Quote 0. But, I'm not a 17 year-old, FotM corp hopper with something to prove, either. I GÖú Kittens.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1368	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:21:00 - [68] - Quote I've played in more than 5 but I haven't played PC much since Tritan Industries fell apart a couple months into PC. Played a couple PCs with Anonymous. I've never been very enamored with it. PC made the game feel like a second job when I was in a PC active corp. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Everything Dies Inner.Hell 650	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:37:00 - [69] - Quote I've played in one match roughly nine months ago. Our corp was generally made up of new players and we were sent into battle against a team of vets and were squashed. I finished first on my team with 450 WP or something like that. Been running solo up until I joined Inner.Hell this week. Doubt I'll ever get back into PC so long as ringers can be used to "purchase" victories. Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit. Eight months has been long enough...guess it's time to learn how to play with a squad.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1368	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:40:00 - [70] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Played more than 5 It's truly heartbreaking seeing so many miss out, I won't add much more to this since Taste already nailed it with his post. Yes PC can be very frustrating often times, but nothing beats deploying with 16 other players where you recognize each and every one of them by voice all fighting together against equally amazing players, I fight nothing but the best this game has to offer and it is truly an amazing experience. I can't stand Pub games they're too monotonous; redline this, redline that. PC is what keeps me playing Dust. Train yourself mentally and physically, spend your SP well and specialize, join a good corporation. I promise your perception of Dust will drastically change. To each their own and all that and I can certainly understand why one would find pubs boring, the matches themselves often suck. However, my (albeit limited) experience with PC was pretty much everyone running the same gear and using the same tactics. Some of my distaste for it may come from the fact I played logi so all any commander ever wanted me to do was drop uplinks and repping hives and pretty much that was it. Good PC matches can be really good like you and Taste describe, but they can be just as much of boring one-sided affairs and unless things have changed variety in tactics and equipment is completely lacking. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

DESTROYER OF GALAXIES Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 2	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:45:00 - [71] - Quote i have been playing this game for a year now. but i have played in 100+ pc matches.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1619	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:49:00 - [72] - Quote DESTROYER OF GALAXIES wrote: i have been playing this game for a year now. but i have played in 100+ pc matches. Have your second like good sir The Sinwarden
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2486	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:51:00 - [73] - Quote i must have 100+ Pc's under my belt. If you run cloak and shotgun, you're a scrub Don't brick tank that scout, come on, get good. Proud member of RND
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12795	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:57:00 - [74] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: howard sanchez wrote: I just don't think that PC delivers on that competitive potential. Do you? I believe that PC, as currently implemented, keeps players away, prevents participation and is wracked by broken mechanics and poorly implemented processes. Honestly, I can't stand pubs. If I could only PC to cap out, I would only ever play FW for uplinks. PC is the only reason why I even play this game. I honestly don't understand how people can have fun in this game playing pubs. They are boring, repetitive, and largely uncompetitive if you bring a decent squad. I think the reason why so many people are not involved in PC is because this is a free to play game, and a large portion of the people who are still playing are horrible. When they have to face off against the tiny minority of people who have actual competitive urges, they get rolled. Just blame CCP for taking so long to fix the competitive side that the people who could have made it a vibrant scene all left. I think anyone that still takes this game serious and feels that dust attracts truly tallented fps player's are just fooling themselves and grasping at straws, but hey, more power to you My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
elmoss NOOB HAUS 0	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:05:00 - [75] - Quote Never played a match in PC, been playing dust for what like a yaer and a half .... isn't it pointless to even attempt as anything but a giant corp?
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 713	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:12:00 - [76] - Quote I've played around 15 when i was really active in my alliance, but dropships aren't as useful in PC's since the other team often has gastuns and fully maxed rail guns. Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.
xSivartx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 70	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:17:00 - [77] - Quote Maybe 5 since closed beta. One in beta was fun, the rest, if the enemy showed it was so laggy I could barely navigate the map and stopped caring to play it.
The Attorney General 2577	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:22:00 - [78] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I think anyone that still takes this game serious and feels that dust attracts truly tallented fps player's are just fooling themselves and grasping at straws, but hey, more power to you I don't think you understand. I am saying that any of the actually decent players, those capable of giving the top corps a run for their money, either left the game or joined up. The thing is, that there are people who do great in pubs, but they don't belong in PC. Either because they suck at comms, can't take one for the team, or are just used to farming scrubs and can't actually fight. There is a very small portion of the playerbase that isn't completely trash. That small sliver is the PC players. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 2577	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:23:00 - [79] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: 0. But, I'm not a 17 year-old, FotM corp hopper with something to prove, either. Whoever liked this post is just as bad as this scrub. If you can't hang, thats ok, but don't pretend that you are above it. Then again, you don't have to prove how horrible you are, all pub players are. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2094	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:45:00 - [80] - Quote Played at least a dozen PC matches, probably a lot more. Pubs might be repetitive but there's more variety to be found there than PC. In PC it was the exact same match every time. The same suits and the same cheesy tactics that resulted in one workable strategy for winning the match. First side that pulled it off would win no matter what else happened during the rest of the match. The cheesy tactics resulting in one viable strategy might not be a big issue anymore (back then it was rooftop forge guns + tanks), but the other side of it was having to play at the same time almost every night and trying to round up people to play something they didn't consider fun. They gave us the timer system so that we'd be able to defend, but in the current format of the game mode it makes it a giant grind for anyone who has a life. ie: sometimes in the evening I want to go out and have a few really good beers at the bar, or go to the gym. God forbid you have a social life. "Sorry dude, I can't go see that movie tonight...I have to defend my space pixels" I really blame the lack of geography in Dust for this. We would get attacked by someone's A team every night because they could be everywhere at once. Meanwhile our corp only had so many people with the SP required to compete against that, in the right time zone. It meant that our core players almost never got a night off and they burned out completely. To say that it was not fun would be putting it mildly.

Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1268	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:02:00 - [81] - Quote None for me, corp had two or one but at times i weren't there. *Assassination is my thing.*
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 209	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:07:00 - [82] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I have been trying to get into a PC for several months now and still haven't done even one. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3647	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:18:00 - [83] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Rynoceros wrote: 0. But, I'm not a 17 year-old, FotM corp hopper with something to prove, either. Whoever liked this post is just as bad as this scrub. If you can't hang, thats ok, but don't pretend that you are above it. Then again, you don't have to prove how horrible you are, all pub players are. Please... You'd better ask somebody about it before you try trash talking me. I've had invites to join nearly every major district holder and do the Heavy work in PC. I just don't give too much of a ** about rubbing the noses of wannabe elitists, like yourself, in my **. But, I may make an exception.... I GÖú Kittens.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 271	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:22:00 - [84] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. Not a one Welcome to you're "DOOM"
The Attorney General 2583	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:22:00 - [85] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Please... You'd better ask somebody about it before you try trash talking me. I've had invites to join nearly every major district holder and do the Heavy work in PC. I just don't give too much of a ** about rubbing the noses of wannabe elitists, like yourself, in my **. But, I may make an exception.... Oh that was good. I'll trash talk you as much as I please. Feel free to try and act hard you pub only bum. Please attempt to make an exception, would be funny to watch you one and done your PC career. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2417	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:28:00 - [86] - Quote From being in Internal Error through KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND id say iv been in a lot more than 5 total. Youtube Closed Beta Vet CEO: Total Extinction
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3647	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:32:00 - [87] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Please... You'd better ask somebody about it before you try trash talking me. I've had invites to join nearly every major district holder and do the Heavy work in PC. I just don't give too much of a ** about rubbing the noses of wannabe elitists, like yourself, in my **. But, I may make an exception.... Oh that was good. I'll trash talk you as much as I please. Feel free to try and act hard you pub only bum. Please attempt to make an exception, would be funny to watch you one and done your PC career. You're funny. I like that. See you in-game... I GÖú Kittens.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1238	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:45:00 - [88] - Quote I play regularly. Often hit weekly cap. Have 20millifetime SP I think? only played maybe 3 PC battles. Only because I got a semi-random invite in the chat channels I hang out in. Seems like you have to be in an ubercorp to get an invite(or to care about the outcome) I'd LIKE to be in more battles where BOTH sides consist of competant people, who work together. But, since I dont have a KDR of 5.0+, I dont see that happeng much. FW could have been that. But I'm caldari so.... yeah.... (yes I know about the caldari channel. it's rather hit or miss, seems like. Mostly miss)
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3062	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:04:00 - [89] - Quote Played a fair bit, over 150 matches. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 659	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:25:00 - [90] - Quote never been in PC. Had a few opportunities but they are generally set late at night or in the wee hours of the morning when I have other things to do or asleep.

lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 737	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:26:00 - [91] - Quote A few, I don't think I've hit 5 yet but more than 3. I don't really have much appeal to get deeply invested right now until it actually means something for the game. Right now they have the donut. How is that affecting me or eve pilots in any way? It doesn't. Until it does, I don't think the population as a whole is going to care enough to want to be with the same small pool of people playing over and over again. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1873	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:27:00 - [92] - Quote 5/6 not more and 1 corp battle back in chromo :D The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes.. \o/ summon me
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 18	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:28:00 - [93] - Quote Not even once. Lonewolf till I die
Thanjac PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 153	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:29:00 - [94] - Quote been in two(invited) crappy pc's. Minnando Lord, FEAR MY MD & CR "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 928	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:03:00 - [95] - Quote I suppose this thread is supposed to justify people who don't participate in PC not having a say in balance issues correct? Because I don't have time/just don't give a **** about PC doesn't mean I am not a logical thinking human being that can't grasp basic concepts of balancing different aspects of a game. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12803	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:04:00 - [96] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I suppose this thread is supposed to justify people who don't participate in PC not having a say in balance issues correct? Because I don't have time/just don't give a **** about PC doesn't mean I am not a logical thinking human being that can't grasp basic concepts of balancing different aspects of a game. Being elitist in DUST is like being the smartest special Olympian: at best, it's an adorable side show for the spectators. My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
General John Ripper 20082	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:19:00 - [97] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I suppose this thread is supposed to justify people who don't participate in PC not having a say in balance issues correct? Because I don't have time/just don't give a **** about PC doesn't mean I am not a logical thinking human being that can't grasp basic concepts of balancing different aspects of a game. That is not the original intention of this thread. I am not trying to point out or call anyone a nonfactor in this thread.This thread is supposed to answer several questions. How many have never fought a match but are interested? How many have fought a couple of pc matches but are not currently because of big blue donut? I am glad I asked the active pc players to also answer because +1 howdidthattaste and +1 Tiberius. There are some peope who won't touch pc with a 10 foot stick but don't understand the fun and unprecedented level of cooperation that is involved. It is the only thing that has kept many vets interested in this game. I was also hoping ccp would read this thread and get some opinions of people who want to be in pc but have never tried it. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
General John Ripper 20084	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:04:00 - [98] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Both of you have been around dust long enough to appreciate the frustrations most of the p,ayerbase has with the broken parts of the game. What comes through in your posts is the sense of hope and accomplishment involved in a good competition between two hard charging teams. I have played in 100's of pc's. Yes, the game is broken, pc is broken, every update creates a new fotm. However that is not why I play pc. I play mostly for the teamwork involved. Gathering up 16 friends that you know quite well. Knowing that no one on your team is a blueberry. Making a plan and working together is what makes this a teamwork based fps. Many pc players have put up with bad game mechanics and tried to make something good out of a bad situation. howard sanchez wrote: I just don't think that PC delivers on that competitive potential. Do you? I believe that PC, as currently implemented, keeps players away, prevents participation and is wracked by broken mechanics and poorly implemented processes. There is some competitive potential but it can be greatly improved upon. With every update, I see changes with how pc is played and I see players following the motto, adapt or die. Which is just players taking advantage of bad gameplay mechanics. How fair was the melee glitch? Or a forge gunner on top of the tower on the mushroom map that can guard several objectives making them nearly impossible to hack? Clone pack pricing that allows a person to lock a district and farm isk? I remember back when flaylocks were big that we setup pc matches banned flaylocks and cores from both sides to keep things more competitive and fun. Just because your enemy abuses a tactic, doesn't mean that your enemy also likes to use it in battle. They are just doing whatever it takes to win, it is ccp's fault in the first place for allowing these bad gameplay mechanics to exist. There are many vets who want to see pc changed and become more fair. Like me, I love pc, but I only want to see it grow and improve. I agree with what you say about pc. It does keep players away and prevent participation. Just look at some of the responses of this thread. But there is still also demand for a working pc experience. CCP needs to completely revamp pc. howard sanchez wrote: So, John, did this thread answer your question in the op? What are your interpretations of the collective responses. How do you two think things should change, if at all, to get more players involved in PC? My questions have been answered and is still being answered as new responses are still coming in. To those that have never played pc... I feel sorry for you guys. Your missing out on what I consider is the most fun I have on this game. I hope ccp doesn't forget about you guys in pc 2.0/ To those who wouldn't touch pc with a 10 foot stick. Yes the game is broken, but I am sorry you haven't been able to find the fun and cooperation that has kept me here for so long. This game can be frustratingly unfair and I can understand that. I am glad people have been good with posting detailed answers as to why they are not in pc or why they wouldn't try pc. It is my hopes that ccp might read this thread and come to understand their player base a little bit better. As far as what changes I feel needs to be made... Well that is a touchy subject. Everyone has their own opinions on how pc should be changed. 1. I personally want to see a sister game mode to pc that allows corps to challenge other corps to 16 vs 16 full team games but without the nonsense of district owning or rewards. Just call it a practice mode. This practice mode is what planet fight club has been trying to achieve since it began. Planet fight club can never successfully exist if it is player owned and controlled but it was created anyways because the demand is there. This is probably #1 on my list. 2. stop passive isk generation. I understand most people want some kind of passive bonus for owning a district but the passive isk generation is turning the game into farmville. I want the salvage system to be updated to take control of more of the rewards and the market place to be implemented to get rid of the salvage we cant use. Don't make it profitable to lock districts. Clone packs should be at 150 clones... never change that. Perhaps a passive "dropsuit material" bonus that you can use to create your own proto suits to give to your own corp members? We need to stop this isk generation. The economy will be beyond recovery if those few in control continue making billions like this. Check out kain speros thread. There are other good theories there on how pc should be changed and is probably the best thread to discuss that. I enjoyed thor's ideas on the subject as well. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
Moorian Flav 182	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:21:00 - [99] - Quote Kind of bad timing to ask now, isn't it? I don't troll; I tell the truth.
General John Ripper 20086	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:35:00 - [100] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Kind of bad timing to ask now, isn't it? lol probably that is why I also included 5 played matches to try and include previously active participants. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.

Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 328	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:36:00 - [101] - Quote I'd say it's a pretty good time to ask. To answer the question, I've played in quite a few matches(I would think around if not over 100). The competition is quite enjoyable. I would still play PC if I could but with no corp districts and timer issues(no timers when I can play for the time being) means that I can't right now.
XANDER KAG WE ARE THE GHOSTS 640	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:38:00 - [102] - Quote I tried 3 times to get into one while I was in R* Unforunately my first attempt I lagged out 6 times before the warbarge time even expired, and just gave up. (I did get 500k or so ISK for a "battle win" though.) The second time I actually got to see the map before I completely crashed and had to wait 30 minutes because my PS "turned off improperly." The third time was the same as the fist but I only reconnected 3 times before giving up. All in all I'd say I'm done even trying unless it becomes much easier for weaker connections to connect.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 1996	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:38:00 - [103] - Quote I've played less than 5 games in PC. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Cat Merc, Long Evity, DeadlyAztec11 and Sinboto Simmons.
ishtellian SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:44:00 - [104] - Quote Never done PC before. My Heavy Never Dies. Logibro In training.
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 145	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:11:00 - [105] - Quote I've done probably three. First one was a slideshow lagfest, second was during the melee glitch / core godlock days, and the third was such a disorganized mess that my corp actually left the alliance we were in over it. Most of my corp would like to get back in to pc again someday but the upfront costs and constantly having to defend it after just doesn't seem worth our time at the moment.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 45	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:54:00 - [106] - Quote I've played maybe 4 or 5 PC matches total. Only in ONE match did I at all think this was a good game/game-mode and that was probably due to the fact that my entire team lacked the massive lag that we usually get. Did we win? No, I have never won a single match of PC. The reason? Outside of the one decent match against just better PC players, every match has been rife with lag. Teamwork? Kind of hard to do when you when you "BrotherofHavok died()" while walking to a point. Tanks fall through the ground, LAVs explode before you even hit the accelerator, dropships have exploded mid-air so suddenly and powerfully that I have become a witness to the mystical god of Dust that is the Cube! It's rubix Cube glory is unlike any other. Of course, this topic discussion isn't even the point of this is it? If CCP fixed every lag issue, fixed every suit and weapon so there were no such thing as FOTM would I choose to go back to PC? No. The passive isk farming is a deterrent. It's exactly like Eve's SP gain where it encourages players not to play on a regular basis until enough SP (dust case is isk for PC districts) has been accumulated to perform the way you want. Competitive? No more so then Pub matches or Faction Warfare. Best of Corp versus Best of Corp? Why should my corp (extension through me from taxes) spend so much isk to get a couple of battles a month to do this? why not just q-sync on the Oceana servers? Why not just go to Faction Warfare? Send advance notice to another corp... a "declaration of war" if you would. Competition is almost purely wallet wise. How much isk can one side afford to lose on this match? Generally current PC district holders or players who have no life have the bigger stick to beat me down with. Winner takes all. You know what? It's just not worth it. PC is the greatest chance to lose isk with the lowest chance of making it back (unless of course you take the district and no one ever attacks you). Conclusion? Even if PC is "fixed" I probably won't go back to it. Ever. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
PLAYSTTION Universal Allies Inc. 91	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:57:00 - [107] - Quote played 1 PC, then the corp collapsed -Open Beta Vet 20 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 294	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:58:00 - [108] - Quote Im an active player and have played more than 5 PC matches. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6791	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:59:00 - [109] - Quote I've played a total of 8 PC matches. If people would attack DNS, I'd be in even more. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
General John Ripper 20100	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:05:00 - [110] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: I've played maybe 4 or 5 PC matches total. Only in ONE match did I at all think this was a good game/game-mode and that was probably due to the fact that my entire team lacked the massive lag that we usually get. Did we win? No, I have never won a single match of PC. The reason? Outside of the one decent match against just better PC players, every match has been rife with lag. Teamwork? Kind of hard to do when you when you "BrotherofHavok died()" while walking to a point. Tanks fall through the ground, LAVs explode before you even hit the accelerator, dropships have exploded mid-air so suddenly and powerfully that I have become a witness to the mystical god of Dust that is the Cube! It's rubix Cube glory is unlike any other. Of course, this topic discussion isn't even the point of this is it? If CCP fixed every lag issue, fixed every suit and weapon so there were no such thing as FOTM would I choose to go back to PC? No. The passive isk farming is a deterrent. It's exactly like Eve's SP gain where it encourages players not to play on a regular basis until enough SP (dust case is isk for PC districts) has been accumulated to perform the way you want. Competitive? No more so then Pub matches or Faction Warfare. Best of Corp versus Best of Corp? Why should my corp (extension through me from taxes) spend so much isk to get a couple of battles a month to do this? why not just q-sync on the Oceana servers? Why not just go to Faction Warfare? Send advance notice to another corp... a "declaration of war" if you would. Competition is almost purely wallet wise. How much isk can one side afford to lose on this match? Generally current PC district holders or players who have no life have the bigger stick to beat me down with. Winner takes all. You know what? It's just not worth it. PC is the greatest chance to lose isk with the lowest chance of making it back (unless of course you take the district and no one ever attacks you). Conclusion? Even if PC is "fixed" I probably won't go back to it. Ever. Thanks for your detailed answer. This is the kind of answer I was looking for. I wanted to see how mercs outside of pc feel about it. I am sorry you had a bad experience. What I try to do is close many of my channels before a pc battle to reduce the lag. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.

KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5090	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:07:00 - [111] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I've done less than 5 PC's. 3 or 4. But never 5. altough i think my new corp is planning to use me extensivley in PC..... : \| Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1799	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:08:00 - [112] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I've played many many more than 5 but I stopped because losing protos over and over to a completely unplayably laggy mode made me stop playing it. Otherwise is great, you get a real good feeling after winning, but the ******* lag makes it completely unenjoyable for everyone. Most of nyain still does it though, the japanese are masochists I guess. Lag for the most part is gone... Its no more laggy then a FW battle.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2312	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:09:00 - [113] - Quote 0 Got offered to do a few, but they wouldn't pay me for my efforts. I don't work for free lol
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6793	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:09:00 - [114] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I've done less than 5 PC's. 3 or 4. But never 5. although i think my new corp is planning to use me extensively in PC..... : \| We're going to be corp buddies tomorrow. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5091	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:12:00 - [115] - Quote Atiim wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I've done less than 5 PC's. 3 or 4. But never 5. although i think my new corp is planning to use me extensively in PC..... : \| We're going to be corp buddies tomorrow. So it seems. O.o Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 195	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:14:00 - [116] - Quote 0 My CEO is wanting me to hurry up and get PC-ready but it will be quite awhile before I consider myself PC-ready. Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando / Do you even lift?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1111	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:20:00 - [117] - Quote Been playing dust since February, and have 0 PC games played, for a few reasons. 1) Not sure about joining a corp. Corps seem to change faster than FOTM fits. They may tax my pub matches (and for those relatively new to the game, they are losing money to begin with, and then they are taxed). Some corps get robbed, its just crazy. Plus, how would anyone get the context of my name if I applied to another corp? I can't go back to being double entendre man, I just can't. 2) The level of competition is nuts. I would say I am a better than average player, but there are still a ton of players much better than I, so much so, that it sounds like no fun whatsoever playing against them in a PC match, when they take that stuff serious. Its bad enough trying to find fun pub matches. 3) Given no 1, I see no incentive, being a solo player, to play pc. What benefit would I have to helping someone win? Maybe there are some, but they are certainly not clear. Looking for the scout hangout?
Rusty Shallows 1527	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:21:00 - [118] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Nearly played a match as a ringer once but got kicked before it started because I hadn't played one before. Sounds like he did you a favor. If your CO has that kind of mindset then you're better off playing elsewhere. I've been in a couple. Not really impressed but that may be my fault for not socially networking better and finding the right Corp. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Scheherazade VII 410	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:32:00 - [119] - Quote I played one, got beat around a bit by OH camping on roofs, then I couldn't spawn, there was no option to do so. From there I turned the PS3 off and turned a blind eye to PC completely. Through all the 1FPS PC videos to district locking to only playing the same team and never playing the corp who actually hold the district It's MAG special olympics all over again x10!
Erobthedude 0uter.Heaven Academy 76	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:18:00 - [120] - Quote I took part in a Corp Battle once, but never PC. The Corp Battle was epic. "Dear Lord, without you we are butt dust."

1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1622	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:42:00 - [121] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: What I try to do is close many of my channels before a pc battle to reduce the lag. A better fix for this is to ensure that when you login you only have 1 or 2 chat channels open, you are then free to add as many channels as you want (I keep it at 2 but if you need to you should keep it a max of 6). Think of it as closing up shop before you log off for the night, delete all but 1 or 2, or all, of your chat channels so that the next time you log in you have at maximum 2 channels open. This will increase your PC performance, I have started doing this a couple of months ago and the difference is like day and night. Additionally it is common practice to completely shut down and restart your PS3 before deploying into the warbarge, this helps too but keeping chats to a minimum is a more successful semi-fix. If you're that torn up about chat channels; write them down on a piece of paper and keep it next to the PS3 so you can open up shop when you login, ask for the password if there is one so you can come back to those super secret channels. These are a few fixes that have been proven to work, with that said; CCP this is waaaayy to much upkeep just to attain semi-decent frame rate in PC battles. Not Acceptable. The Sinwarden
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9521	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:45:00 - [122] - Quote PC isn't competitive...... or it wasn't when I did it....it was a boring spam of the worst tactics, zerging, and OP weaponry available. In the end it was a mode where try hards could come in, stomp the weak out, claim great conquest, circle jerk for months earning ISK with no effort, fight the occasional war over one or two mercs self proclaimed awesomeness, then funnel said ISK into stomping players out of public matches. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4786	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:48:00 - [123] - Quote I've played one real battle I'm from the weird side of the internet
Vag Eye Lenol PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 54	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:53:00 - [124] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I've played one real battle I'm not sure, played more pc before pc even was pc. After pc, maybe a couple games as a fill in only.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1708	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:23:00 - [125] - Quote None for me. Never gave it much thought and haven't put much effort into finding a way in. I would be open to the experience. Double posting like a Kaiser.
AntanTheBeast G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 158	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:40:00 - [126] - Quote I think I played maybe about 5 or times. It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 434	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:46:00 - [127] - Quote 5 PC's It's the PC game mode's lack of system performance. I would try to play more PC if it wasn't for the lagging frame rates. It has nothing to do with a blue donut or anything else for me. HAPPY HUNTING. Two peas in a bucket....
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 415	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:51:00 - [128] - Quote My corp has never been big enough to make a full squad, let alone a whole team. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 738	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:01:00 - [129] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: My corp has never been big enough to make a full squad, let alone a whole team. That is sad Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
Exodeon Salviej The Phoenix Federation 87	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:03:00 - [130] - Quote I'm not an active player, maybe more around seven PC's total. But still more than five. Your face is something to shoot, so I will shoot. Don't be offended, I do it to everyone. Commandoooo punch! >:D

Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2704	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:21:00 - [131] - Quote I don't fall into that number, but only by a small margin. ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
Yeeeuuuupppp The Lionheart Coalition 245	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:22:00 - [132] - Quote ** yo PC. But I've been in like 4 7 full ones (10 if you count the ones I disconnected out of) CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9*" Mic status: Muted* Feel the wrath of my troll
Stalken Pathfinder Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 68	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:25:00 - [133] - Quote Less than 5 matches
Sirius Lupin65 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 16	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:29:00 - [134] - Quote Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: I was going to be in a PC battle. My ceo convinced me it was going to be awesome and whatever. So I donated about 40 million so we could start. We were supposed to plan a day when the whole corp could participate but he just used it as fast as he could. The battle took place while I was in class and he was the only one who participated because he didn't tell anyone the date. I never got my isk back. I quit the corp. And I never bothered to try PC again. You should never donate isk to your corp. Thats what Corp taxes are for. It seems like you were part of a **** corp And the matches arent awesome at all the way PC is right now. There are so many broken things with PC. The lag is just awful, if you're in a fairly new corp and aren't part of one of the few cops controlling PC you are just going to waste isk since you can only get isk if you win, if not you're **** and lose a lot of isk since you need to run proto or you'll die in seconds
Sirius Lupin65 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 16	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:30:00 - [135] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: My corp has never been big enough to make a full squad, let alone a whole team. Time to move to a different corporation
Sirius Lupin65 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 16	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:32:00 - [136] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: None for me. Never gave it much thought and haven't put much effort into finding a way in. I would be open to the experience. Don't waste your time it. Right now is just a waste of isk and time
Sirius Lupin65 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 16	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:35:00 - [137] - Quote True Adamance wrote: PC isn't competitive...... or it wasn't when I did it....it was a boring spam of the worst tactics, zerging, and OP weaponry available. In the end it was a mode where try hards could come in, stomp the weak out, claim great conquest, circle jerk for months earning ISK with no effort, fight the occasional war over one or two mercs self proclaimed awesomeness, then funnel said ISK into stomping players out of public matches. This^ PC is such a waste of time right now if you aren't part of said try hard corps
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1027	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:22:00 - [138] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: I played a few and there wasn't a job for me to do, PC is just as boring as being in a group of solo new players and getting rolled by a Q-synced proto squad. Bring ULs and the most OP weapon on the most OP suit or GTFO. Not fun to me, there was no meta because there was only the most OP setup or don't play. It may have changed by now but I have no interest in doing it, next month will be a year since I played a PC and I don't see me getting into it because it is not any fun to me. It is much more balanced now. There is a job for just about everyone. Tanks are still a bit of a decisive force given that it's still just one player that controls a tank. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 415	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:13:00 - [139] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Luk Manag wrote: My corp has never been big enough to make a full squad, let alone a whole team. That is sad I mostly only recruit IRL (with a few exceptions). Large corp drama, and there's always drama, is tedious. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 946	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:27:00 - [140] - Quote True Adamance wrote: PC isn't competitive...... or it wasn't when I did it....it was a boring spam of the worst tactics, zerging, and OP weaponry available. In the end it was a mode where try hards could come in, stomp the weak out, claim great conquest, circle jerk for months earning ISK with no effort, fight the occasional war over one or two mercs self proclaimed awesomeness, then funnel said ISK into stomping players out of public matches. ^ This. THIS! ******* THIS!!! Nemo me impune lacessit

rithu Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 50	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:38:00 - [141] - Quote I never played PC You cant see me caldari scouts ;)
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1852	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:46:00 - [142] - Quote I've played 0!
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1492	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:00:00 - [143] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I have never played a game
waistr DEAD-MEN-WALKING 170	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:34:00 - [144] - Quote Less than 5 what are your plans for this valuable intel? I better not start getting tele-marketing calls
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 51	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:43:00 - [145] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: I have never played a game Good don't. You're not missing much. SUP DUDE! Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
General John Ripper 20135	Posted - 2014.04.17 20:12:00 - [146] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I have never played a game get good nav. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.


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